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LordReed:
Of what use will my death be to me right now? How can I die and still be alive to experience what you are saying? Have you died yourself?

Sought a relationship with an idea? Yes I have that's why I know it's balderdash.

I asked you questions to which you could provide no substantive answers, just the usual dance around the mulberry bush.

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Since you insist that the relationship is with an idea (an impossibility), you are Left with only one choice: Death! Choose it!

Of what use would be Death to you right now!?
You can ask yourself again the question. But, it is still the truth!

rolams:
I have shown what I will only show you here.

So, you have no logical answers to the questions.

It's okay!
Why?
Even when you don't want to admit it, your spirit wouldn't lie to you!

Have a beautiful night rest!

LordReed:
Like I said nothing but an idea, you have nothing of substance to show.

1. You have not died
2. You have not sought a relationship
But somehow, you know the answer to HOW?

Goodnight!
Of course at the end of the day, you will have to know!

Sorry for bothering you.

I just found this video and I think you should see it




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNU6Kmc9zYA

rolams:
I don't have your time!

For your information, Qur'an was not revealed at once. Some are revealed base on issue at that time.

You know nothing about the Qur'an/islam and you care not about it.

Then just answer my Questions: why is the answer difficult for you to say?

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Lukuluku69:
No.

Scroll up. You get where and why I made that point.

Scroll up

Let's call it a day please. This train goes no where profitable.

Till next time sir. You've been more honourable than your peers

Lukuluku69:
Go back and read why I mentioned them. While at it, read slowly for comprehension sake.

I guess you forgot your own train of thought and argument.

You said:

Who told you that the Canonized Gospels don't have discrepancies? From the Top of my head can you decidedly tell him when the rites of "eating the flesh and drinking Jesus blood was instituted ?

Later, you said the Gospels are in agreement because according to you

Oga, it is common knowledge that Synoptic cribbed from each other. Lol

Conflicting and incomplete thoughts I should say

Lukuluku69:
Yes nah

So your Problem is that they are not in disagreement with each other?

Lukuluku69:
Ok.

When time permits, I will share he much I know.

Good.
I'll be waiting

LordReed:
No it is not. Another word for something is not a definition of the thing.

I have no experience of living beings not made of matter so I don't what that means. All living beings I know are made of matter. If there are living beings not made of matter how can I know that?

What it is, a god or otherwise.

Since you don't know, go seek!

How can you know
1. Die
2. Seek a relationship

Lukuluku69:
LYING for God's Glory is not my thing. My thing is to worship Him sincerely, keep His Eternal Statues and do Good and spread Goodness every where I find myself.

I told you download the Hidden works and edify yourself. My life and Faith doesn't depend on any Convo with you. No prize is to be won, so why RUN AWAY?

Sometimes, you say things that always tempt me to ask how old are you but intelligence sometimes doesn't reside in the numbers.

Get busy with the apocrypha. As you read, make notes, check the plausibility of claims etc

Good Luck.

You suggested it therefore,
I challenge you to Lecture me about the Jesus you claimed walked in Nazareth!

Lukuluku69:
The "You" represents every bigots out there. If you are one, please take your L in peace.

I think I've served you in like manner!

Can you notice how we are fluidly chatting on this thread?

The reason:
I am not asking you disturbing questions about Islam!

Too bad!
Junks get the highest patronage on NL!

Lukuluku69:
Oga, it is common knowledge that Synoptic cribbed from each other. Lol

So they are in agreement because they copied from each other?

LordReed:
You basically said a god is a god that is recognised by people in response to the question what is a god or can you differentiate a deity from a god?

A synonym of deity is God/god!

Lukuluku69:
You guys are usually the ones that says " Since they are Muslims, blame Islam"

But if Table turned, you bleat " he is not a Christian as such you can't blame Christianity"

You see the warped logic ?

Who are the you?
TenQ?

Lukuluku69:
1. If the chain of reference/s is broken mostly likely it is a Fraud.

If Peter/ Mathew said he heard Jesus said such and such and Paul said he heard Jesus said such and such, I will believe Peter/Mathew because I read that they were disciples. We're with Jesus for Three years but when Paul says I heard Jesus says such and and such, my intellect tells me to ask when? Where? You were never a disciple, or Disciple told you so?

So, when someone who was never a companion, never had a companion as an uncle or father lay claim that he HEARD OR SAW The Prophet says or did? We throw it out!

QED

2. If your yardstick is correct, are you willing to stand by it when I use your own standard on your Qur'an?

Lukuluku69:
Lol

The Synoptic agreed ( Mathew, Mark and Luke) simply because they cribbed from each other.

John own blood drinking episode is quite different.

You want references?

I thought you were insinuating that Paul started it!?

Now the gospels are in agreement because they copied each other!?

Oya continue!
I want to hear more?

Lukuluku69:
Do yourself a favour. Download all available Gospels on the Internet and read.

It is not my job to teach you. I am not a guardian over you.

Read the Apocrypha. The hidden works.

I challenge you to Lecture me about the Jesus you claimed walked in Nazareth!


You were the one who brought this up, why run away?

Except, it is ANOTHER lie in the making!

Lukuluku69:
Lol

You didn't task my intellect. All you did was just play words.

I can talk to you about Jesus the Nazarene but would you believe my version of him? Would you? Those who choose only FOUR out of possibly HUNDREDS of Records available then were never witnesses to the events they classify some as false and some as good.

So, rest. That is the intellect and not prancing around with copy and paste. The intellectual thing is to be in the middle and not the extreme.

Please be my guest!

And after your Lecture, I will only ask you ONE question to which I expect a truthful answer!

Is this a deal?

Lukuluku69:
You see your ignorance again?

No Muslim will ever tell you a Verse from the Quran is FABRICATED. Non! But, you can wrongly translate them. That is why we leave it in Arabic. Words do change meanings overtime thru the ages.

When we say Fabricated, even though there are strict rules in authenticating Hadiths, we say an Hadith is Fabricated when the chain of Narrators looks dodgy. A man who lived about 50 years after the prophet can't say he HEARD OR SEEN THE PROPHET SAID SUCH AND SUCH without us asking, was he a COMPANION? Was his father a Companion?

Look at Paul, he never met Jesus ALIVE, was never a DISCIPLE, NEVER SAW JESUS yet all what Christianity believe today came from his brains. In Islam, we will throw away ALL his Letters!

Check my post. There's never a point I said some Muslims claim that their Qur'an is a Fabrication.


TWO QUESTIONS
1. If the chain of Reference is broken, are you admitting that such documents is most likely a fraud?

2. If your yardstick is correct, are you willing to stand by it when I use your own standard on your Qur'an?

Lukuluku69:
True.

Even though Christ did say looking for Miracles solely to authenticate a bonafide Prophet, for looking to Miracles makes you ADULTEROUS in a sense. ( Fake Prophets can do them too thereby leading people astray).

Prophet Muhammad wrought miracles too.

He was authenticated by All Scriptures of the world. The Scriptures in the hands of the Jews foretold him, the one in the hands of the Nassara foretold him. Same for the Zoroastrian Persians, the Hindu Vedas

Please can you post your strongest examples of verses of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians that authenticate Mohammed.

It is pitiful the ones I've been seeing from your online dawah gangs

Lukuluku69:
I am afraid you still have issues understanding the thrust in some arguments. Most time, you have a closed mind on things holding on to your already formed narrow albeit wrong opinions!

Who told you that the Canonized Gospels don't have discrepancies? From the Top of my head can you decidedly tell him when the rites of "eating the flesh and drinking Jesus blood was instituted ?

The fact that you guys took it and swallowed it hook, line and sinker doesn't make the Muslims look bad when they questioned such when you referenced it. A Record they hold as fabricated anyways.

Please when was the Lords Super Instituted?

Lukuluku69:
Does this represent Christianity?

TENQ

Why don't you first respond to this

client?

https://dailypost.ng/2019/02/05/islamic-cleric-two-others-caught-human-skull-photo/

https://saharareporters.com/2021/12/27/islamic-cleric-found-human-skull-slumps-dies-nigerian-police-custody

https://punchng.com/islamic-cleric-three-others-arrested-with-human-skull-in-ogun/

Do these represent Islam?

Lukuluku69:
Lol

You didn't task my intellect. All you did was just play words.

I can talk to you about Jesus the Nazarene but would you believe my version of him? Would you? Those who choose only FOUR out of possibly HUNDREDS of Records available then were never witnesses to the events they classify some as false and some as good.

So, rest. That is the intellect and not prancing around with copy and paste. The intellectual thing is to be in the middle and not the extreme.

Me, play words!?
What annoys you is that UPFRONT, I state your beliefs and poke holes in your arguments THEN I ask you Questions which is EMBARRASSING for you to answer truthfully.

Do you notice how we are flowing in conversation since the beginning of this thread? It's because you are not on the hot seat. My objective was simply to felicitate with You Muslims today QED!



On the Lecture about Jesus, Please be my guest!

I want to know what you know about Jesus of Nazareth other than ("Jesus was a Muslim who preached the Oneness of Allah and Did many miracles"

Thank you

LordReed:
So when I asked what is a god your response was a god is a god (a deity}?

Is a synonym not synonymous with a definition?

LordReed:
What is a spirit?

A spirit is a living being not made up of matter.

LordReed:
How can you determine what an invisible personality actually is?

Whether good or bad?

Lukuluku69:
I am afraid you still have issues understanding the thrust in some arguments. Most time, you have a closed mind on things holding on to your already formed narrow albeit wrong opinions!

Who told you that the Canonized Gospels don't have discrepancies? From the Top of my head can you decidedly tell him when the rites of "eating the flesh and drinking Jesus blood was instituted ?

The fact that you guys took it and swallowed it hook, line and sinker doesn't make the Muslims look bad when they questioned such when you referenced it. A Record they hold as fabricated anyways.

All you need to do is is to post a verse and allow me claim that it is FABRICATED!

QED!

Lukuluku69:
References to such claims abounds in the scriptures of the World. The Bible, the Hindu Vedas. And he was the ONLY ONE who came forward with such a CLAIM.

There are two things that authenticate a Messanger or prophet of God
1. He performs miracles
2. He is authenticated by other prophets of God

LordReed:
What is a deity?

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the Creator and Ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
"a moon god"
3. Any invisible personality or thing you submit to as the guide over your life and activities .

Lukuluku69:
In your Journey thru this path of studying Religion and Faith based Writings and Books, please note that people for whatever reasons know to them write Fictitious stuff, lie, misrepresents. That the Muslims were able to identify them, classify them is a major plus for them.

Going thru the Bible, the same fictitious hands can be seen both in the Old and New Testament. Just a little over 20-30 years after Jesus, MANY GOSPELS were preached. Each different from the other that the Council had to narrow it to just Four Records is a living testimony go that fact.

The Hadith could be fabricated just like some Gospel writing were false. So, rest.

But we stand by ALL that which is Authentic Canonized books of the bible!
How about if Christians start saying that some verses of the Bible were fabricated?

If Muslims will throw the Hadiths of Muhammad under the bus and Tafsirs of the Quran under the bridge AND
the Quran cannot stand alone by itself without the Hadiths and the Tafsirs,
what option do you leave us with?

Lukuluku69:
......
1. So, what am I saying. Islam appeals to the intellect, the soul, your realities while Christianity appeals to most convert because they can get something, can become something etc.

2. And in no way does what TENQ and Adejare post here represents the Jesus I know walked through Judea some 2,000+ years ago....

1. How come you couldn't respond to my questions tasking mainly your intellect?
Islam present a Watered down Islam to her adherents: in its watered down state, its just a simple religion with lots of daily repetitions of activities. Pray 5 times daily (repeat), Give Zakat (repeat), Go for Pilgrimage (repeat) etc
When for a Logically simple religion we ask HOW, WHY...
Islam become confused and LOST: it is indeed appealing to the the intellect, the soul and your realities for them that are SHALLOW

Quran 5:101
“O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing”


Islam thrive in Deception , Ignorance or , Greed of the Adherents!


2. Can you please tell me of the Jesus that walked through Judea other than
"Jesus was a Muslim who preached the Oneness of Allah and Did many miracles"

I am waiting Sir!

Lukuluku69:
Since we can't represent Christianity with a Pastor who do rituals for people why would you represents Islam with those clerics you mentioned?

As for Andrew Tate, I repeat, I never heard of him prior to his arrest. Anyone can promote anyone, their business not mine.

I didnt represent islam with your contemporary Islamic Clerics. I just did exactly what yo did.

I claimed that you Muslims

The only people who can cook up their hadiths and disrespect their Tafsirs for being fabrications can fabricate ANYTHING!

I refer to your own Islamic literatures: if Muslims wrote the books you use with your Quran and it is filled with fabrications, surely anything fraudulent is expected from them.

Aren't you the one when shown hadiths or Scholar refuse to accept what they wrote about Mohammed?

The case of Andrew Tate is just an example: nothing serious! The over hype was too much and these same people have abandoned him.
He became a muslim with no obvious change in character or personality!

advocatejare:
Who verified Muhammad’s claim that he was receiving revelation from Jibreel?

Before they start their taqqiya:

Only Mohammed saw Jubril o!
Only Mohammed traveled to paradise and back in one Night
Only Mohammed knew that he had the power of 30 men in the other room