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honesttalk21:
You say you don’t hate Muslims, but calling their faith “deception” while assuming your theology is the only valid lens already shuts down real understanding especially since Islam doesn’t reject Jesus Christ, it rejects a later atonement framework, much like earlier monotheistic traditions did ✝️➡️📖

honesttalk21:
On “forcing people to think,” that cuts both ways as you’re locking onto one translation and one reading of wurud while ignoring that even classical scholars differed on whether it means entering or passing, which weakens the idea of a clear contradiction 🧩

honesttalk21:
You’ve quoted Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Ibn Abbas, and Al-Tabari for “entry,” but left out that the same tradition explains how through the Sirat relates to reconcile 19:71 with 19:72 🌉

honesttalk21:
So the real issue isn’t “does wurud mean entry?” it’s what kind, for how long, and with what outcome and even your own cited hadith shows a distinction between those who remain and those who are saved 🔍

Which means even on your reading, the passage is about temporary passage and final separation, not “all Muslims burn”—and those “exceptions” are just clarifying who falls under the saved group in 19:72 ⚖️

honesttalk21:
What did this discussion thread start on? Men's braids in Islam? Got into what hadith is authentic and why some single hadith narrations are regarded as Sahih gharib due to other Sahih hadith containing similar narration? Did you then move this to Quran despite a difference between the two?

Next to an illusionary due to gross misunderstanding existence of numerous Quran not divinely revealed and accepted recitation styles? When you got obviously held in your obvious contradiction you now come to this one? 😪🤔

Must you be seen to out debate anyone upholding Islam because you choose to irrationally hate anything Islam or any Muslim that practices this despite their imperfections? You’re forcing “enter Hell” into a word that doesn’t require it. Wariduha can mean to approach or pass by not necessarily or strictly to go in 🔍. Even early scholars didn’t read it as universal punishment.

Then the very next line settles it. God saves the mindful and leaves the wrongdoers behind. That’s not “everyone burns” that’s clear separation and Justice ⚖️.

And the Sirat isn’t something people made up it comes from established prophetic reports explaining how that passing happens 🌉.

So this isn’t a gotcha. It’s a verse about who makes it through and who doesn’t not everyone ending up in Hell 🔥.

bigpicture001:
It was so very unusual but when I begged the land Landy to accept me as a huzler tenant that genuinely need a house when estate agents brought me to her to pay for her new house..

The house sh felt was way too expensive for my kind of job to maintain, sh clarifies that payment of the first lump sum isn't the problem but the continuous payment years later.. so I told her I am a Daly pay earner and if sh can open a dedicated bank account where I will b paying her 2800 daily and be posting her payment receipt the sh will notice it will add up at year end provided sh doesn't touch the rent...... Surprisingly, sh agreed and this is the 4th year going..

It was easy as I make about 8-10k daily from. My petty street huzle..

I pay her about 800k yearly for a room and palour self contained apartment

Razzness:
Every Nigerian has to speak up; all I am saying is that the moment you put religion at the center of everything. It becomes an us vs. them, and we will not be any closer to solving the problem.

Razzness:
This man has turned into a full time content creator.

In this month, hundreds of Muslims have been killed in the North. A military based was attacked and 40 soldiers were killed. An entire Muslim village in Katsina was raised to the ground. Hundreds of Muslim women and children were abducted in Borno. There was an attack on a mosque in Zamfara, 8 worshipers were killed. Just yesterday 23 Muslims were killed in Maiduguri.

Yet some people are still doubling down on the agenda of a Christian genocide. People are dying and all you can think of is to weaponize religion. Even Donald Trump has come to terms with the fact that the killings in Nigeria cut across religious divides, yet these people have made it their source of daily bread to push an agenda.

You people are not ready in this country.

Kaliningrad:
Ukraine Is Becoming A Nation Of Widows & Orphans - CNN (Photos)

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CyynthiaKiss:
Video Shows Kaduna Polytechnic Female Students Denied Entry Over ‘Indecent’ Dressing During Ramadan, School Launches Probe

Christian students at Kaduna Polytechnic in Nigeria were denied entry to their secular university for not wearing Islamic dress during Ramadan.

Women are being denied an education and the media is silent. pic.twitter.com/PA7O7u6cVm

— Turning Point UK 🇬🇧 (@TPointUK) March 14, 2026

School management reacts:

naptu2:
Sameraah Munshi @SameerahMunshi



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kettykin:
Finance ministry is finally gone. Give it 6 months.



I said that because I feel the work of a finance ministry should go far beyond taxation alone; it should really be about shaping the broader economic future. When I look at the professional background and experience of the current leadership in Nigeria’s finance team, I honestly find myself worried about whether there is enough technical depth and strategic exposure to handle the scale of the country’s economic challenges. My concern is simply that leadership at such a critical ministry should inspire strong confidence in the direction of the economy.

shoodboi2:
It is two jets that crashed and not one, as reported by the Kuwaiti government. Both were shot down by Iranian air defense.

maasoap:
American citizens called Trump a Putin's biatch, I don't know what you are talking about here. Does Russia need bailout or something?

maasoap:
Until USA, EU and NATO entered the scene which is unusual

brain54:
The comedian is still giving terms and conditions...


SMH!

treesun:

“Between now and 2027, a sitting president will påss away.”

— Primate Ayodele prophecy pic.twitter.com/QOUW8YUsc9

— CHUKS 🍥 (@ChuksEricE) February 26, 2026

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Merry100:
Traditional Christian Vow (Outdated)

Bride
I, (Bride's Name), take you, (Groom's Name), to be my lawful husband,
to love you, honour you, obey you, and submit to you,
in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer,
for better, for worse, till death do us part,
according to God's holy ordinance;
and this is my solemn vow.

Groom
I, (Groom's Name), take you, (Bride's Name), to be my lawful wife,
to love you, honour you, and be faithful to you,
in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer,
for better, for worse, till death do us part,
according to God's holy ordinance;
and this is my solemn vow.

Suggested Christian Vow

Bride
I, (Bride's Name), take you, (Groom's Name), to be my lawful husband.

I vow to make our home a sanctuary of laughter, trust, and understanding,
where love, calmness, and care guide every word and action.

I promise to love you faithfully, honour you, cherish you, respect you, support you, and give you peace abundantly.

May our love never be broken by violence or infertility,
for these are the boundaries that keep our forever sacred.

This is my solemn vow.

Groom
I, (Groom's Name), take you, (Bride's Name), to be my lawful wife.

I vow to make our home a sanctuary of laughter, trust, and understanding,
where love and care guide every word and action.

I promise to love you faithfully, honour you, cherish you, support you and protect you in every season of life.

May our love never be broken by violence or infertility,
for these are the boundaries that keep our forever sacred.

This is my solemn vow.

Zinpat:
Wonderful! But these demons are same ones in hell with the devil, right?

honesttalk21:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in another's eye and ignore the plank in your eye?

Sure a week will be enough for you to ponder and repent?

FxMasterz:
Muslims will Become Green Birds in Paradise.

Antichristian, is the Hadith really true? Do you believe you'll become a green bird in paradise? Do you really want to become a green bird? Will the true God really turn you in a bird? What is His purpose for turning you into a green bird really? Please TenQ, can you help shed more lights into this?


The Hadith is Sahih.

Sahih Muslim 1887:

It has been narrated on the authority of Masruq Who said: We asked 'Abdullah about the Qur'anic verse: "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord.." (iii. 169).

He said: We asked the meaning of the verse (from the Holy Prophet) who said:

The souls, of the martyrs live in the bodies of green birds who have their nests in chandeliers hung from the throne of the Almighty. They eat the fruits of Paradise from wherever they like and then nestle in these chandeliers.

Once their Lord cast a glance at them and said: Do ye want anything? They said: What more shall we desire? We eat the fruit of Paradise from wherever we like. Their Lord asked them the same question thrice. When they saw that they will continue to be asked and not left (without answering the question). they said: O Lord, we wish that Thou mayest return our souls to our bodies so that we may be slain in Thy way once again. When He (Allah) saw that they had no need, they were left (to their joy in heaven).


A Message for all Muslims. Please think deeply about you becoming a bird in paradise, and consider if truly, this Islam you so much believe in is the truth of God Almighty.

I will appreciate your response to my questions. They're not just for those people I mentioned alone.

Thank you, and may God lead us all into the Way, the Truth and the Life. May your eyes be opened.

honesttalk21:
Only when you're done grieving through outpouring about publicly being caught in lies will I respond. Keep pouring.

Observers note the questions answered and numbered in red 1, 2 and 3 perharps 2 should have been numbered a few words before however Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, that he not be wise in his own eyes. (Prov. 26:4–5)





I hope you are able to retain proper composure for appropriate understanding and discernment soon.

honesttalk21:
When you stop feigning loss of composure, pretending not to see whst is written directly, you will find all three answers already sitting in the post you quoted.

honesttalk21:
Where it is difficult to discern:

1. The Basmallah appears at the start of every surah except the ninth one, as the Prophet (pbuh) directed its placement in the final compilation. This is universally accepted and preserved, with no discrepancies among manuscripts.

honesttalk21:
2. Jibril didn’t forget, and nothing was re-revealed; the order of revelation differs from the order of compilation.

honesttalk21:
3. Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim is part of the Qur’an;words from Allah, clearly stated in 27:30 and consistently transmitted through every recitation.

honesttalk21:
Tell me these are not in the former reply. How can you obviously paint falsehood as truth? LIEING tenq

Please tell that these aren't direct answers to your questions!

honesttalk21:
YOUR OBJECTION IS UNFOUNDED AS YOU WERE ALREADY ANSWERED DON'T KNOW WHO YOU TRY TO DECIEVE

honesttalk21:
YOUR OBJECTION IS UNFOUNDED AS YOU WERE ALREADY ANSWERED DON'T KNOW WHO YOU TRY TO DECIEVE

honesttalk21:
Despite numerous attempts you haven't done better and it appears you are slipping into accelerated depression even with further failed gish gallops.

You repeatedly fail to prove your allegations of canon removal. Repeated suspicion claims and hypothesis are no substitute for proof.

You cannot provide proof of communal muslim public recognition of these verses after the prophet's death outside the solitary report. in legal narration.

What proof have you that these verses were recited in communal recitation in Mecca or other regions? None!

Where are manuscript evidence in support of your claims? Which codex do you refer to that have these supposedly removed verses? Any of the companion personal codex, regional manuscript or parchment evidence will do. However you still cannot as these are non existent.

Not even remotely traced to the Sanaa palimpset, Topkapi or Birmingham fragment.

Erasure no longer leaves fingerprints?

Still waiting for you present a competing canon to show that indeed a verse was removed or any community that preserved a longer recension. You cannot find a rival cannon?

No Islamic historical record of disputes about these missing verses despite the rich collation of political wars and legal disagreements.

Don't you wonder about this very loud silence?

When is this deletion supposed to have taken? No record of this fabulous removal process. Not asking for theological tales or speculation about Uthman. What information exists about this between the times of Abu Bakr and Umar? How come the Muslim community were and still continue to be silent?

You quibble about Quran 1-49 see yours

and pretend that Quran 27:30 is separate and changes something but it doesn't. The Basmallah appears at the start of every surah except the ninth one, as the Prophet (pbuh) directed its placement in the final compilation. This is universally accepted and preserved, with no discrepancies among manuscripts. Jibril didn’t forget, and nothing was re-revealed; the order of revelation differs from the order of compilation.

Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim is part of the Qur’an;words from Allah, clearly stated in 27:30 and consistently transmitted through every recitation. There are no alternative versions, no missing texts, and no competing scriptures. Your objection is unfounded.

honesttalk21:
I would just list the problems you have so you can fill in the answers yourself.

1. Why do you confuse the order of revelation with order of compilation of the Mushaf?

honesttalk21:
2. When was Quran 27:30 revealed chronologically? Where is the rule that basmallah must precede each revelation chronologically for each Surah?

honesttalk21:
3. What does Quran 69:40 and 43 say or you choose what to support and negate by illogical whims? What does Quran 53:3-4 say?

honesttalk21:
4. Which argument do you consistently stand with? Manuscript difference is corruption or non chronological order in compilation of the Quran is corruption? Neither position logically establishes corruption.

honesttalk21:
5. You have already contradicted yourself by mocking that you are sure I won't answer then depending on that to claim victory or haven't you? That is pure internally inconsistent reasoning.

6. You have consistently refused to answer and provide evidence for:

Stoning verse manuscript evidence
Adult suckling manuscript evidence
Any recitational chain preserving them

You still cannot find them?

honesttalk21:
If the presence of Bismillahi before every surah proves corruption then explain why Surah 9 lacks it while Surah 27 contains it within it's text?

honesttalk21:
I asked you to state your questions in total English and of course you don't know how to.

What is Asbab al Nuzul in pure English? Sure you will act like you don't know. Initial deficiency.

So you ask questions you already have answers to? This then makes you a confirmed trouble maker and hypocrite.

1. Before the revelation of the verse Surah 17:110, do you say Bismillahi Rahamani Rahim; in the name of Allah the entirely merciful the kind was not known? Stating Allah was Ar Rahman? Ok step back for a moment; when was Surah Fatiha in its entirety revealed?

2. In order of revelation Surah Banu Israel; Surah 17, is the fiftieth Surah to be revealed. The order of revelation is not the order in which the Quran is recited as divinely guided and ordered by the prophet otherwise why is Surah Fatiha the first chapter. You can please tell me and all your followers this.

Thank you but no thanks. So back to the OP's subject Mens braids in Islam and please desist from gish galloping and study hard, think, rationalize before asking questions. Where you cannot defend your position on grading of Hadith changing the subject of discussion does not rescue it.

honesttalk21:
There's no dodging. Say your question in total English

honesttalk21:
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honesttalk21:
So you interpret seeking clarification about what as fear? Wow! Is it that you don't understand what your asking to properly review and retype your questions in a clear manner so I can answer what you deem unreplied in my previous post?

honesttalk21:
Review your post particularly your questions for needed correction then repost. Question 1 may be incomplete and 2 stated with clarity. Glad you found the courage to write again.

honesttalk21:
You keep circling back to the same slogan that they’re not identical, therefore corruption but you still haven’t demonstrated an actual corruption.

Hafs and Warsh are not rival books. They share the same consonantal skeleton, the same 114 surahs, the same theology, the same legal framework. Sanʿaaʾ, Topkapi, Birmingham all reflect that same canon. No alternative chapter list. No competing structure. No lost surah preserved anywhere.

You claim the meaning changes. I asked you to name one doctrine, one law, one core belief that changes. Instead of answering, you pivoted to Asbab al-Nuzul for 17:110 and asked what number Surah 17 is. That’s diversion, not engagement. Surah 17 is 17 in every mushaf. And 17:110 reads the same in all canonical recitations in meaning: call upon Allah or al-Rahman; all His names are beautiful. No theological split. No altered creed.

Then you escalate to which one matches the Qur’an in Paradise? That’s a metaphysical question dressed up as a historical argument. We assess preservation through manuscripts and transmission and those show one stable canon across centuries.

Notice the pattern:
First claim — verses were deleted.

When no manuscript supported that, the claim shifted to any variation equals failure.

When that collapsed, the debate moved to heaven.

If meaning truly changes, demonstrate the changed doctrine. If the canon was shortened, produce the longer one.

Until then, repeating the accusation and changing the subject isn’t proof it’s avoidance.