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honesttalk21:
Abdullah’s name proves the point . The Prophet’s father was called ʿAbdullah (servant of Allah) before Islam began. Why? Because even Quraysh knew of Allah as the Supreme Creator (29:61, 31:25). Their error wasn’t in denying Him, but in adding idols as partners. Muhammad pbuh came to restore pure worship of the God they already acknowledged.

And Allah was aka Hubal!
And Allah protected the 360 idols in the Ka'aba

honesttalk21:
The Ka‘ba was Abraham’s house.Allah protected it in Surah al-Fīl not for the sake of idols, but because it was originally Abraham’s sanctuary for monotheism (2:125–127). If it had been destroyed, the mission of purification could not begin. Protection was for Abraham’s legacy, not idol-worship.

Prove this sir. Only Islamic sources attributes the Ka'aba to Abraham. Moreover, there are at least seven Ka'aba in the Arabia.
The Yemeni one is just one of these Ka'aba

Talk is cheap. Allan what is required is pre-Islamic evidence. QED!

honesttalk21:
“Allah’s daughters” were pagan lies. Qur’an 53:19–23 exposes and refutes the false claim that angels/idols were Allah’s daughters.This proves Islam rejected paganism, it did not adopt it.

This is according to Mohammed.
Is their any pre-Islamic narrative that agrees with you?

honesttalk21:
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Allah is a proper name.Both Muslim and Christian Arabs always used Allah as the name of the one true God. The Arabic Bible still reads: Fi al-bad’i khalaqa Allah al-samawat wa al-ard” (In the beginning Allah created the heavens and the earth, Gen. 1:1). To this day, Arab Christians pray to Allah as the God of the Bible.

No sir. Allah is a generic name for God !
His real name is LAH!
Bismi-Lah
Abdul-Lah
Awusubi-Lah

All point to Lah as your God.

honesttalk21:
So the real question is If Allah was only a pagan idol, then why was the Prophet’s father named servant of Allah before Islam? And why do millions of Arab Christians today still call the God of the Bible Allah? Were they all idolaters too?

The name of the Allah/God of the Arab Christians is YHWH.

Is any of the 99 the names of the Allah of the Muslims YHWH?

honesttalk21:
Either you admit Allah is the true God of Abraham, or you must call Moses, the judges of Israel, the Prophet’s father, and even Arab Christians all idolaters. Which one will you choose?

Allah mean God (generic) like president, chairman or daddy. What is the name of the Allah of the Muslims?

Lev 19:12:
"And you shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shall you profane the name of your God: I am YHWH"

Coder2Client:
Satanic verses revealed to momo which he later alluded to in one of the hadiths saying he has fabricated what allah has not revealed.

Wicked mods will not allow me to post.

What are they hiding in Islam?

DoctorStanley:
You can also only call your him daddy without asking his name. Which is what Muslims do. Moses, on the other hand, asked YHWH his name

So, the question to ask Muslims is
Is ANY of the 99 the Names of Allah YHWH?


If not, how can they say that the God of Moses, Abraham and Jacob is ALSO their God?

DoctorStanley:
YHWH is of course a proper name. Allah is NOT. It simply means God. The twist Muhammad put on it is that there is no other God but God.

So, we still then need to ask Muslims the Question

What is the proper NAME of their Allah?


It is like asking a child the question
"What if the name of your father?"
And then child says:
The name of my father is DADDY!

honesttalk21:
Your write-up has a serious flaw:

Allah was never an idol of Quraysh. Historians and even the Qur’an (29:61, 31:25) show the Quraysh already admitted Allah was the Supreme Creator their error was adding idols like Hubal, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat as partners. Islam came to destroy those false gods and restore pure monotheism.

So, you concur that the God of Mohammed's father Abdullah is the same God of Mohammed.

honesttalk21:
The “daughters of Allah” claim proves the opposite of your argument. The Qur’an condemns this (53:19–23), showing clearly that Allah ≠ those idols. Allah was never depicted or worshipped as a statue unlike Hubal, the Ka‘ba’s chief idol.

You seem not to get the point.
The claim of Allah having daughters was before Mohammed. This Allah was the one that protected the Ka'aba with it's 360 idols from destruction.

honesttalk21:
The Year of the Elephant (Surah al-Fil) was a known historical event, not a pagan myth. The Qur’an uses it as proof that the same Allah who protected His House then would aid His Messenger now.

I never said it was a pagan myth. If the story was true, the problem is why Allah was protecting the 360 idols in the Ka'aba.
However, the story is most likely not true because it is impossible to match an army of elephants through the desert except by miracle

honesttalk21:
Name ≠ concept. Arabs used the name “Allah” before Islam, just like Christians say “God” though the same word once described Zeus or Odin. The name remained, but Islam purified the meaning. Allah is the God of Abraham, not the corrupted version of Quraysh.

Note that according to you Muslims Allah is a NAME and not a Title or Description of God. Unlike the word God or Sky Owner or Lord of the Heavens which are descriptions of the Creator.

Do you have evidence of any of the Prophet calling the name of their God as Allah?

honesttalk21:
If “Allah” was just a pagan idol, explain why Arabic-speaking Christians before and after Islam have always called the God of the Bible “Allah.” Were they worshipping an idol too?

What is the NAME of the Allah of the Arab Christians?

honesttalk21:
You now divert to other questions haven seen your earlier games of questions defeated. It all appears to be play for you.

Play!?
No sir!
The problem is that you wish Islam is so true that you are willing to manufacture evidence to justify then indefensible

honesttalk21:
You see how you contradict yourself. Did you not say moderators or the bots can read normally placed pictures before? A claim in defense of skewing your previous pictures sideways.

Yes I did BUT my post was manually removed by the moderator in charge of then islamic section with ALL the comments and responses of others

Thus, I pasted it upright knowing that the problem wasn't the Nairaland bots BUT a scared Muslim Moderator

DoctorStanley:
Have you considered that "Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic, and not name of any particular god

For the Muslims, Allah is the principal name of their Deity.

Allah also mean DEITY or God in Arabic.

However, God is a Title and not a name. God is like the title Daddy or President or Chairman. The Question is which God are we talking about?

Is the name of the God YHWH ?
Is the name of the God Allah?

TenQ:
Why are Nairaland Muslims afraid of the Truth enough to EXPUNGE this INFORMATION from Nairaland.

What are Muslims not allowed to SEE and KNOW?

Why must a religion be sustained by FALSEHOOD?

Only Islamic moderators on Nairaland can explain this

I have verified this original post several times and not one Nairaland rules was broken and NEITHER is the language offensive either to Islam, Mohammed, Allah or Muslims.

TenQ:
Reason for the Chapter
Surah Al-Fil (The Elephant), the 105th chapter of the Quran, was revealed in Mecca and references a famous historical event known as the "Year of the Elephant," which is the year Prophet Muhammad was born around 570 AD.

The chapter narrates how Allah protected the Kaaba—the sacred house in Mecca—from an invading army led by Abraha, the Abyssinian governor of Yemen. Abraha had a large army that included elephants, and he sought to destroy the Kaaba to divert the pilgrimage to his own territory.

However, before the army could destroy the Kaaba, Allah intervened by sending flocks of birds (referred to as "Ababil" that pelted the army with stones made of hard clay (referred to as "sijjil". This divine intervention destroyed Abraha's forces, making them like "straw eaten up," thus saving the Kaaba from destruction.

On the surface, this looks like one of the other tales of the ancients common in the Qur'an except one looks closer.


Problems:
1. Forty years before Mohammed, Allah was the chief DEITY of the Quraysh tribe to which Mohammed belonged
2. Forty years before Mohammed, Mohammed's father Abdullah was a servant of Allah
3. The event in Qur'an 105 took place 40 years BEFORE Mohammed became a prophet
4. Forty years before Mohammed, The Allah with three daughters named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat was the chief DEITY of the Quarysh tribe and thus was the one in operation.
5. This Allah's objective was to prevent the destruction of the Ka'aba containing 360 IDOLS Among which was, the principal one called Hubal, the chief deity of Mecca
6. This story was well known by the Quarysh clan and the whole of Mecca as the exploit of Allah.


Question:
1. Is ANYTHING untrue in the Above writeup?
2. What is the evidence that the Allah of contemporary Muslims is different from the Allah of the pre-Islamic Arabs?
3. Why would the Allah of the contemporary Muslims protect 360 idols kept in the Ka'aba?
4. Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why? Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert? (Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves).
5. Can you explain why Allah who did NOT give Mohammed any miracles honoured the Meccan Polytheists with such miraculous deliverance?




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What can we see here?
Allah, the God of the pre-Islamic Arabs is the same God of Mohammed and the Muslims.

Otherwise, explain why the acts of the Allah with THREE Daughters before Mohammed is the same Allah dictating Qur'an 105?


Question:
1. Is ANYTHING untrue in the Above writeup?
2. What is the evidence that the Allah of contemporary Muslims is different from the Allah of the pre-Islamic Arabs?
3. Why would the Allah of the contemporary Muslims protect 360 idols kept in the Ka'aba?
4. Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why? Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert? (Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves).
5. Can you explain why Allah who did NOT give Mohammed any miracles honoured the Meccan Polytheists with such miraculous deliverance?

Why are Nairaland Muslims afraid of the Truth enough to EXPUNGE this INFORMATION from Nairaland.

What are Muslims not allowed to SEE and KNOW?

Why must a religion be sustained by FALSEHOOD?

Only Islamic moderators on Nairaland can explain this

Reason for the Chapter
Surah Al-Fil (The Elephant), the 105th chapter of the Quran, was revealed in Mecca and references a famous historical event known as the "Year of the Elephant," which is the year Prophet Muhammad was born around 570 AD.

The chapter narrates how Allah protected the Kaaba—the sacred house in Mecca—from an invading army led by Abraha, the Abyssinian governor of Yemen. Abraha had a large army that included elephants, and he sought to destroy the Kaaba to divert the pilgrimage to his own territory.

However, before the army could destroy the Kaaba, Allah intervened by sending flocks of birds (referred to as "Ababil" that pelted the army with stones made of hard clay (referred to as "sijjil". This divine intervention destroyed Abraha's forces, making them like "straw eaten up," thus saving the Kaaba from destruction.

On the surface, this looks like one of the other tales of the ancients common in the Qur'an except one looks closer.


Problems:
1. Forty years before Mohammed, Allah was the chief DEITY of the Quraysh tribe to which Mohammed belonged
2. Forty years before Mohammed, Mohammed's father Abdullah was a servant of Allah
3. The event in Qur'an 105 took place 40 years BEFORE Mohammed became a prophet
4. Forty years before Mohammed, The Allah with three daughters named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat was the chief DEITY of the Quarysh tribe and thus was the one in operation.
5. This Allah's objective was to prevent the destruction of the Ka'aba containing 360 IDOLS Among which was, the principal one called Hubal, the chief deity of Mecca
6. This story was well known by the Quarysh clan and the whole of Mecca as the exploit of Allah.


Question:
1. Is ANYTHING untrue in the Above writeup?
2. What is the evidence that the Allah of contemporary Muslims is different from the Allah of the pre-Islamic Arabs?
3. Why would the Allah of the contemporary Muslims protect 360 idols kept in the Ka'aba?
4. Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why? Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert? (Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves).
5. Can you explain why Allah who did NOT give Mohammed any miracles honoured the Meccan Polytheists with such miraculous deliverance?




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BTW.
I wrote a piece for you and the moderator in the Islamic section was so scared that he deleted it.

Qur'an 105: The Evidence that Mohammed's Allah is the same pre-Islamic Allah

EVERYTHING including other people's comments were deleted overnight.

What is Islam hiding from Muslims?





Because, Muslims will delete it again, Here it is as a screenshot

honesttalk21:
You are making a basic category error that even a beginner in theology would avoid. Very unexpected of you.


Allah’s Names vs. Prophetic Descriptions

Allah’s Name are absolute, infinite, eternal.

When similar words are applied to prophets (e.g., Qur’an 9:128 calls Muhammad pbuh raʾuf, rahim; Qur’an 44:17 calls Moses karim), they are limited, descriptive, and relative.

That does not imply divinity it simply highlights noble qualities.



Consistency Check on the Bible

Bible calls humans “gods” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34).

Judges are called elohim (Ex. 21:6).

Angels are called holy ones (Job 5:1)
By your own logic, your scripture makes you polytheists first. Are you consistent or selective?



Polytheism Is About Worship, Not Vocabulary

Tawhid = worship Allah alone.

Humans share descriptive qualities (life, knowledge, mercy) but only in limited form.

Example: Allah is al-Ḥayy (The Ever-Living). You are alive. Does that make you Allah? Absurd.
Sharing words ≠ sharing divinity. Worship defines polytheism, not language.



Honorific Titles (Mujtaba, Mujtahid, etc.)

These aren’t part of Allah’s 99 Names.

They are honorifics just like Christians say “Father,” “Reverend,” or “Saint.”
If Muslims are polytheists for honoring prophets, then you are too for honoring clergy.



The Real polytheism

Muslims describe the Prophet pbuh with noble titles but never worship him.

Christians take a man (Jesus), worship him, pray to him, and call him co-equal with God.
That is actual shirk—partners in worship, not adjectives of praise.

Muslims use noble descriptions while worshipping Allah alone. Christians worship a man while accusing others of shirk. Which one truly violates God’s oneness?

Rather than answering my questions, you decided to write every other things except about my direct questions.

1. You said: Allah’s Names vs. Prophetic Descriptions AND Allah’s Name are absolute, infinite, eternal.

But it is you Muslims who have 99 NAMES for Allah and 99 NAMES for Mohammed.
We now find out that Mohammed and Allah share some of these ABSOLUTE INFINITE Names.

Thus, Mohammed is aka Allah

2. You now said: Bible calls humans “gods” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34). AND Judges are called elohim (Ex. 21:6).

Elohim mean DEITIES (plural) it doesn't mean YHWH thus any deity or god's fit in including humans when they have authority over men.

Another problem of Islam whose personal name of their God is just THE GOD since they d by that the name of their God is -LAH!

It is amazing when Mohammed is elevated in NAME to Allah and you still think you are not committing Shirk by associating the name of a man with Allah.

Then you mentioned Jesus and I laugh, Is Mohammed Allah who became human or a human who became Allah?

So, stop deflecting and answer my Questions
1. Do you know any other person who shares attributes with God apart from Mohammed?

2. These are NAMES of Allah example, you can call Allah by the name Al-Rahman or Al-Raheem just as you can call Allah by the names Al-Jabbar, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Mujtaba, and Al-Ra'uf.

Can you disprove the LOGIC that if ANY or just ONE of these names are also the names of Mohammed , then Mohammed is Allah?

3. Does Mohammed share knowledge with Allah?
4. When you recite the shahada, do you not associate the name of Allah with then name of Mohammed?

honesttalk21:
Al-Jabbar, Al-Hayy, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Rashid, Al-Ra’uf are all names that refer specifically to Allah.

But Al-Jabbar, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Mujtaba, and Al-Ra'uf specifically also refer to Mohammed's name isn't it?

Meaning that Mohammed is partner with Allah by name?

honesttalk21:
On the other hand, names like Al-Mujtaba (the chosen one) and Al-Mujtahid (someone who diligently seeks religious knowledge) are actually titles for people, not divine names.

When it comes to sharing attributes, it’s quite common for humans to reflect certain positive qualities of God, albeit in a limited way. This doesn’t imply that anyone is divine or equal to God. It’s more about embodying traits like kindness or mercy, without actually sharing in God’s essence.

Recognizing that some human qualities can mirror divine attributes doesn’t mean that Muhammad is God or that Islam promotes the idea of multiple gods. It’s really about understanding that while people can exhibit good traits in a limited, human manner, only God possesses those traits in their perfect and eternal form.

So, Mohammed shares some Attributes with God!?
But my questions were very specific!


1. Do you know any other person who shares attributes with God apart from Mohammed?

2. These are NAMES of Allah example, you can call Allah by the name Al-Rahman or Al-Raheem just as you can call Allah by the names Al-Jabbar, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Mujtaba, and Al-Ra'uf.

Can you disprove the LOGIC that if ANY or just ONE of these names are also the names of Mohammed , then Mohammed is Allah?

3. Does Mohammed share knowledge with Allah?
4. When you recite the shahada, do you not associate the name of Allah with then name of Mohammed?




Withnall these, don't you think you are a polytheist?

honesttalk21:
1. Who else is “The Praised One” besides God?

Muhammad pbuh means “the praised one,” but it’s just a name. Lots of people have names that mean something like that and it doesn’t make them God. Only Allah gets that kind of ultimate praise in Islam.

So, Only God should be the Praised One AND Mohammed too!?

honesttalk21:
2. Why do Muhammad and Allah share some attributes if Muhammad isn’t Allah?

Good question! But be certain that Humans can have qualities like kindness or mercy, but God’s qualities are perfect and on a whole different level. Just because someone’s kind doesn’t mean they’re divine. So, sharing some traits doesn’t mean Muhammad pbuh is Allah.

So, Mohammed shares some Attributes with God!?
Do you know any other person who shares attributes with God apart from Mohammed?

But technically, it's even more serious because Allah and Mohammad share the same names.
SMH!

Any you think you are not a polytheist!?

honesttalk21:
3. About those 99 names; do they belong to Allah or Muhammad pbuh?

The 99 Names are special names for Allah alone. Some titles like Al-Mujtaba or Al-Mujtahid are for people, not God. Sometimes words overlap, but the meaning is very different.

Hope that clears this up a bit.

This wasn't the question.
These names of Al-Jabbar, Al-Hayy, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Rashid, Al-Mujtaba, Al-Mujtahid and Al-Ra'uf are they Allah's names or Mohammed's names

honesttalk21:
You sure claim a passion for what you believe to be the truth, and have a right to speak out. However, if we’re aiming for a genuine conversation instead of just stirring the pot, then intentions and methods are crucial.

You’ve made some bold statements that require clarity before jumping to conclusions.

The Praised One; Muhammed, and God.
The name Muhammad, which translates to the praised one, is indeed just that a name, not a title of divinity. In various cultures, names can mean things like beloved, gift of God,or noble,without suggesting that the person is divine. Being praised doesn’t mean being worshiped, especially in Islamic belief, where the line between God (Allah) and His messenger is clearly defined and strongly maintained.

Shared Attributes and 99 Names

Some of the names you brought up like Al-Karim (The Generous) or Al-Ra’uf (The Compassionate) are indeed part of the 99 Names of Allah. However, to claim that a human sharing a similar trait, albeit in a much lesser capacity, makes them divine is a misunderstanding of how attributes work in both language and theology.

For instance, Christians might describe someone as loving, just as God is referred to as Love but that doesn’t make that person God. Similarly, being called wise or merciful doesn’t elevate someone to the status of divinity. Language often overlaps, but what sets God’s attributes apart is their absolute perfection and eternal nature. Qualities that, in Islam, are solely possessed by Allah.

Al-Mujtaba / Al-Mujtahid earen’t among the 99 Names of Allah; they’re titles used to describe individuals. Al-Mujtaba means the chosen one (often used for prophets), while Al-Mujtahid refers to someone who puts in effort in religious matters and law. Again, these are not divine titles.

System vs. Principle
Regarding your earlier point about going around the rules you’ve actually highlighted the opposite. Instead of breaking divine law, you suggest it’s your responsibility to bypass any human-made system that contradicts your understanding of the truth. That’s a valid principle, but even then, the method matters.

Having a passionate argument doesn’t mean we can overlook the importance of theological accuracy. If we’re diving deep into discussions, let’s make sure we do it with a full understanding, careful attention to language, and the respect that all beliefs deserve even when we’re critiquing them.

I think my questions were simple and direct. You said every other things without answering the simple questions. Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah was given the name Mohammed meaning "The Praised One"!

1. Tell me, who ELSE in the Universe is THE PRAISED ONE other than God?
Who else in the Universe can legally be called the Praised One?

2. Why does Mohammed and Allah share so many attributes together when he is NOT Allah?
Is there anyone else showing shares attributes with Allah amongst the prophets?

3. Mohammed has 99 names just like Allah has 99 names and a few of these names overlap. Tell me if these names below belong to Allah OR Mohammed
Al-Jabbar, Al-Hayy, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Rashid, Al-Mujtaba, Al-Mujtahid and Al-Ra'uf

gohf:
there is nothing like for us in the Greek text, what's written is but he the (holy) Spirit makes intercession (interceeds) with unspeakable utterance(groanings/sighs)

Even if we don't understand clearly what Paul wrote here as his aim wasn't to speak concerning praying in the spirit,

1Cor.14.14 - For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don't understand what I am saying.
1Cor.14.15 - Well then, what shall I do? I will do both. I will pray in the spirit, and I will pray in words I understand. I will sing in the spirit, and I will sing in words I understand.


If you interpret praying in the spirit to mean the spirit praying

Then should we also interpret praying in our understanding as our understanding praying?

We are saying exactly the same thing.

The Holy Spirit is the ONE who makes Intersessions for us with Groaning and not our spirit

honesttalk21:
So rather than comply with the limits of a system you operate on you found a way to go around the rules.

That shows quite a lot. Should you genuinely intend to communicate or pass your opinion do the appropriate.

It shows that I will go every length to expose falsehood, promote the truth even when the system goes against me as long as I do not violate any of God's laws.

Internet had been your own downfall because lies becomes exposed with information from your own books.

Let me ask you a question
Why does Mohammed and Allah share so many attributes together?


In context:
Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah was given the name Mohammed meaning "The Praised One"!
Tell me, who ELSE in the Universe is THE PRAISED ONE other than God..

Mohammed has 99 names just like Allah has 99 names and a few of these names overlap

Tell me if these names below belong to Allah OR Mohammed
Al-Jabbar
Al-Hayy
Al-Karim
Al-Muhaymin
Al-Rashid
Al-Mujtaba
Al-Mujtahid
Al-Ra'uf


Mohammed is not Allah but they both share same attributes as above!?

SMH!

mytrugistslog:
Rhapsody of Realities by Pastor Chris. Sun Aug 24 2025

PRAYING WITH GROANINGS AND DEEP SIGHS

Likewise THE SPIRIT ALSO HELPETH OUR INFIRMITIES: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26).

When we speak in tongues, we do so by faith. We open our mouths and the Holy Spirit gives us utterance. Here, your spirit is praying in tongues. The Bible says, “For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful” (1 Corinthians 14:14). So, it’s your spirit that prays in tongues even though the utterance is granted to your spirit by the Holy Spirit.

But there's another one that's a higher level of prayer. That’s what is written for us in Romans 8:26 which we read as our opening scripture. The underlined phrase "... the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities..." tells us how the Spirit helps and takes hold together with us in our weakness. He props you up and helps you pray in line with the perfect will of God especially when you face dire situations and are at your wit's end. He takes over and helps you pray correctly.

The AMPC puts it beautifully. It says, “So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.” At this higher level of prayer, the Holy Spirit Himself has taken over, making intercessions with groanings and deep sighs according to the will of God.

You may find yourself crying uncontrollably but not out of pain; keep at it and don’t be troubled. It’s the Holy Spirit praying through you. This is the most effective kind of prayer, and it’s the Spirit’s joy to make it happen for you. So, each time you pray, yield yourself to the Holy Spirit to pray through you, and you’ll be amazed at the impact and the tremendous results in your life and circumstances. Hallelujah!


Prayer / Confession
Dear Father, thank you for the ministry of the Holy Spirit who helps me in prayer. I yield myself completely to Him to intercede through me with groanings and deep sighs, causing your perfect will to be established in my life and in the lives of others. I walk in the light of your Word, always led by the Spirit, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further study
1 Corinthians 14:14 AMPC; Jude 1:20; John 14:16-17

1-year bible reading plan
1 Corinthians 9; Psalms 128-134

2-year bible reading plan
Luke 18:28-34; 1 Samuel 11-12

It isn't US or our Spirit that Prays with Groaning BUT the Holy Spirit.

I used to think like you before but read in context and you will see that
Whether we pray in our Understanding or with our spirits, it is the Holy Spirit that repackages the Prayers before God.

Rom 8:26-27:
"Likewise the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

Seun
Your bots are so overzealous that even the post of the OP is deleted

SMH.

You need to get feedback from users to help this platform

honesttalk21:
Do you deny skewing your pictured response? Well you deny so many other things too. So it's normal to you.

Turn your phone to read it. It is even bigger.














It seems you are not aware that Nairaland bots read screenshots. The only way workaround is if you rotate the image.

AntiChristian:
Allah has been the name of God from the time Ishmael mixed with the Arabs at the region Abraham took Hagar and her son!

Give us an islamic proof.
Just like they said without proof that Bilkis was a Yoruba queen

AntiChristian:
What evidence do you have your God ever spoke to Jesus when Jesus was alone during most of the time? The question of the spirit needs no answer as its not related to salvation in Islam. We've been given what we need and we don't need to answer your spirit question to enter paradise!

Unlike Islam where there is ZERO evidence for any encounter of Mohammed, there is usually someone else to verify

Mat 17:5:
"While he yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear you him."

AntiChristian:
We have told you the companions saw Angel Gabriel as a human and he did came to teach them Islam. Enough with your lies!

Do you mean Mohammed's boyfriend Dihya ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi!?
Did Gabriel ever introduce himself to either Mohammed or anyone else in Islam.

Everything is according to the testimony of one man called Mohammed that cannot be verified

AntiChristian:
I don't know which prophet you are comparing him with here in your Bible. Is it Abraham who slept with his wife's slave or Lot who committed incest or David the murderer and adulterer despite the ancestor of Jesus or Elisha the curser of 42 lads to death?
If such lies had happened I would have had David, Moses and Saul to compare!

Bury you head in shame as Sarah GAVE Abraham her maid to bear a son for her
Gen 16:1-2:
"Now Sarai Abram's wife bore him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said to Abram, Behold now, the LORD has restrained me from bearing: I pray you, go in to my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram listened to the voice of Sarai."
For David, God punished him for his sin. God accused David of doing EVIL!
2Sam 12:9-12:
"Why have you despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? you have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and have taken his wife to be your wife, and have slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house; because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife. Thus said the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. For you did it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun."


But is it UNTRUE that Allah claimed he gave Zainab the wife of a faithful Muslim Man called Zaid to Mohammed? Allah even chastised Mohammed for his hypocrisy .
Instead of a Rebuke for this shameful act, Mohammed got from his God encouragements. Allah even canceled ADOPTION so that Mohammed's evil can be lighter.
Read (Surah Al-Ahzab, 33:37)

AntiChristian:
Allah forgive him all his sins. And he also asked for forgiveness everyday! All humans have sinned o!

We know that Allah is Mohammad in disguise.
ANYTHING Mohammed wanted, he claimed it was Allah
Sahih al-Bukhari 4788
Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

AntiChristian:
This is the selling point of your Christianity! Fake Miracles! Anyways, Miracles exists you can look for them if you need!

The miracles Authenticated Men sent by God. But if you rubbish them, no problem. Moses, Jesus, and other prophets authenticated by God are Islamically Frauds.

Mohammed with no authentication is the only real prophet!
SMH!

AntiChristian:
At least he is not Allah! And never claimed to be so! Allah gave him the position and he took it. Alhamdulillah!

Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah was given the name Mohammed
Tell me, who ELSE in the World is THE PRAISED ONE other than God..

Mohammed has 99 names just like Allah has 99 names and a few of these names overlap

Tell me if these names below belong to Allah OR Mohammed
Al-Jabbar
Al-Hayy
Al-Karim
Al-Muhaymin
Al-Rashid
Al-Mujtaba
Al-Mujtahid
Al-Ra'uf


Mohammed is not Allah but they both share same attributes as above!?

SMH!

honesttalk21:
If you truly post, do so in legible manner.

It was posted in a legible manner sir. Remove your Islamic goggles and you will see the things you're escaping from

honesttalk21:
As usual once frustrated that nothing productive is left to say you play the side step in habitual silly manner.
Conversation concluded as you covertly accept the invalidity of your position.

Islam seems to have blocked your comprehension of simple English language. The two responses were posted in part 1 and 2.

Except that you don't have any response other than your vain repetitions defending what is not defendable

AntiChristian:
A Prophet in Islam is an individual whom Allah reveals message and he passes on what was revealed to him.

If he is sent to a people who are disbelievers in Allah then such Prophet is a messenger!

A Prophet who uses the Sharee'ah of a previous Prophet that came before him is only a Prophet!

So Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam completely received the Qur'an and a lot of other revelations! So he is a Prophet.

He was sent to all of mankind (believers and disbelievers) and Jinn so he is also a Messenger!

The only problem is that there is not a single EVIDENCE apart from Mohammed that he is a prophet of God

1. Allah is the God of Mohammed's father
2. There is not EVIDENCE God ever spoke directly to Mohammed as other prophets. Till Today, he couldn't answer the basic question of "the Spirit"
3. Only Mohammed had seen Jibril nor even witnessed his presence
4. Character wise, he isn't like any other prophet. Even though Muslims try to paint him righteous.
What do you call a man who used his position to "collect" another Muslim man's wife?
5. Allah seems to justify the sins of Mohammed rather than condemn it, unlike the true God that judges sin even from his prophet
6. There is not one single miracle that authenticate Mohammed as being sent by the God of Creation.
7. Mohammed is the only man I know who shares titles with his God.

I can provide EVIDENCES if you deny any of these above

meobizy:
Na their way. Every time preek scratch them, they demand remuneration from the government. It’s the students I pity the most. Those ones sef don’t pity themselves until final year.

It is the same old agreement that has not been fulfilled by the government o, nothing new