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AntiChristian:
No, it's obvious as no one among the Bible writers witnessed the cruxifiction!

advocatejare:
Concerning the crucifixion and death of Jesus, Islam’s position is that the crucifixion and death didn’t happen because of what Allah said in the Quran.

Allah said he was the one that deceived everyone that it was Jesus that was crucified!

Allah claimed that another person was used to replace Jesus on the cross and it was the person that was crucified, the deception of Allah.



So all the people of that time including Jesus’ disciples was made to believe by Allah that it was Jesus that died!

They continued to preach the crucifixion and death of Jesus for 600 years until Muhammad came and said that Allah told him that it was not Jesus on the cross that it was another person.

Allah supposedly deceived everyone for 600 years about the crucifixion and death of Jesus, and the same Allah is now angry that Christians believe that Jesus was crucified!

Who can trust such a god the deceived the whole world for 6 centuries?

If what Allah is saying is true, then Allah is the greatest deceiver like he described himself as Al-Makireena, the best of the deceivers



However, the same Allah said that no man can bear the burden of another man, so who bore the burden of Jesus?



In other words, the Quran teaches that the crucifixion and the death took place, but that it was not Jesus that was on the cross


For the sake of this discussion, let’s agree that what Allah said about replacing Jesus is true, the questions are:


Who was the person that replaced Jesus on the cross?

What was the person’s sin?

Why did Allah deceive everyone that it was Jesus?

Why did the person bore the burden of Jesus?

Why did it take 600 years before Allah told the world the truth

What happened to all the people that died with the lies that Jesus was the one on the cross?

Why does Islam oppose the death and resurrection of Jesus?

EBMedia:
https://igberetvnews.com/1434218/left-us-single-legacy-sad-children-write-late-dads-biography-photo/

jaggabban:
1.Did you went to find out about Jesus or what? I tot u are to come back here and prove him wrong. Haha ur mouth was shut and I know as a black man, u will force urself to tell urself not to believe, even though u know he is right.

2. Out of all his lies, u could only pick one which I'm 1million % sure he wouldn't have said that or u quote him out of context which is what xtians or kafiroons all do. Funny. Prove me wrong he said that by telling me the title of the video and the minute he said that. I'm sure u will never tell me because he never said that.

3. Non of the great scholars of ur religion has ever and will never win Zakir on debate. He has prove that xtianity is not God's religion using both bible and Qur'an logically and not quoting any of the books out of context like u guys. Infact, nobody on this planet earth knows bible more than him.

4. Both I and u will just be beating around the bush because we are not knowledgeable, infact u will be quoting rubbish and out of context. Xtianity is a fraud. I laff when I see xtians believing blindly. Though I can't quote Qur'an or bible, I have seen a lot of videos from both religion establishing the true one and that is why I still remain a Muslim. Now, I'm a Muslim by choice not by birth. Can't u see how white guys who brought xtianity to ur door step reverting to Islam? But as a black man, u will not even after finding out the truth.

5. For anybody that will be quoting Qur'an out of context here, I will refer u to Zakir. Pls go ND watch his debates with xtian scholars and find out about how xtianity is a fraud. Pls no vex, na true.

6. I will be waiting to get the video name where he said females will get 1 million virgins

Kingsnairaland:
the answer is yes.

They Ukraine and Georgia applied for it then nato said yes on 2008.

Russia dealt with Georgia back then and took their land and nato ran away

Then nato moved to Ukraine to test Russia again.

Kingsnairaland:
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

Kingsnairaland:
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

Kingsnairaland:
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

AntiChristian:
This is simple!

Those names are for Jubril!

Ruh ordinarily means soul = spirit!

It can also mean Gabriel or another Angel!

saintHot:
u resolve to insults,yet u want me to engage u
sir,please!

jaggabban:
1.Did you went to find out about Jesus or what? I tot u are to come back here and prove him wrong. Haha ur mouth was shut and I know as a black man, u will force urself to tell urself not to believe, even though u know he is right.

2. Out of all his lies, u could only pick one which I'm 1million % sure he wouldn't have said that or u quote him out of context which is what xtians or kafiroons all do. Funny. Prove me wrong he said that by telling me the title of the video and the minute he said that. I'm sure u will never tell me because he never said that.

3. Non of the great scholars of ur religion has ever and will never win Zakir on debate. He has prove that xtianity is not God's religion using both bible and Qur'an logically and not quoting any of the books out of context like u guys. Infact, nobody on this planet earth knows bible more than him.

4. Both I and u will just be beating around the bush because we are not knowledgeable, infact u will be quoting rubbish and out of context. Xtianity is a fraud. I laff when I see xtians believing blindly. Though I can't quote Qur'an or bible, I have seen a lot of videos from both religion establishing the true one and that is why I still remain a Muslim. Now, I'm a Muslim by choice not by birth. Can't u see how white guys who brought xtianity to ur door step reverting to Islam? But as a black man, u will not even after finding out the truth.

5. For anybody that will be quoting Qur'an out of context here, I will refer u to Zakir. Pls go ND watch his debates with xtian scholars and find out about how xtianity is a fraud. Pls no vex, na true.

6. I will be waiting to get the video name where he said females will get 1 million virgins

AntiChristian:
Jubril is not a spirit!

If he's a spirit then he was the one blown into Adam and Mary right?

saintHot:
sorry sir!
blind arguments aren't for me!

Kingsnairaland:
the answer is yes.

They Ukraine and Georgia applied for it then nato said yes on 2008.

Russia dealt with Georgia back then and took their land and nato ran away

Then nato moved to Ukraine to test Russia again.

LegalWolf:
Lol. Apostle Paul and I are of the same essence. Presumably, the stray advocatejare share the same essence with us. In fact, men of BLACK CLOTH is actually a title isn’t it:

Apostle Paul + LegalWolf + Advocatejare = One Lawyer. Isn’t it?



I didn’t call you to aid your hallucinations. Just to let u know that intercession ≠ Judgement or is it?

Bat4ever2023:
thanks so much for this. I will add all this, to my daily life. most especially changing what i feed my soul.

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ,

Remember my post here in relation to your hallucination called question? And hope your are following the conviction of Doyin Okupe? See this post on nairaland: https://www.nairaland.com/7486482/dss-withdraws-personnel-attached-governor




So, hypothetically, if someone sends you and the stray advocatejare to rob a colt in another town. Your rapist-defending lawyer friend has represented you and despite all the technicalities he could use, I have convicted you both for petty theft. There will be intercession before sentencing you!!

As in Okupe's case, if your Uncle testify as to your good character, does that in any way mean it is your uncle and NOT ME, the Judge sentencing you?

Kingsnairaland:
Read this statement below to understand it



NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO

Bat4ever2023:
Alright, can we skip a and focus on b and c please

MaxInDHouse:
You've not answered the question!

Is it the same God that created your forefather who worshiped idols before the white man brought the Bible?
Is your forefather still living somewhere after stepping out of his lifeless body?
If YES is your answer to the above then what makes Abraham, Isaac and Jacob special than your ancestor who also died and stepped out of his lifeless body just like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

I won't teach you what Jesus meant there unless you humbly request a Bible study but if you're OK with what you think you know then let the matter rest. But know that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are descendants of Adam {Romans 5:2} they're not worthy of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so just like all other descendants of Adam they are DEAD awaiting resurrection in their graves.

As for why God keeps calling Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob i will not teach you unless you humbly request a Bible study from us: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Dtruthspeaker:
If he wanted to, nothing stops him.

Bat4ever2023:
i am here to learn, please what is the second step.

Bat4ever2023:
but i am born again in christ already, or are you saying that because you are born again then there are no more trials and travails for you?

MaxInDHouse:
So in what way is Abraham Isaac and Jacob special out of all dead people in the past?

You've not answered the question!

MaxInDHouse:
What makes Abraham Isaac and Jacob special if all dead people do step out of their lifeless bodies and continue with their consciousness?

saintHot:
u lie just to win the argumentsince this is the case,ur not even suppose to be talkin about religion(as a truth and fact based concept).
Ok! sir?

MaxInDHouse:
This is your comment:

So if all dead are conscious then what makes Abraham, Isaac and Jacob special?

Bat4ever2023:
i have passed through all in this link. https://www.nairaland.com/3423081/real-fake-student-university-heaven,.
Except now, there is no reaction from the heavens, especially if i call the lords name in the spirit unlike before. My situation now feels as if there is something blocking my connection with the holy spirit. There was a time when i was about to be initiated into a cult for demon worship. But right as i touched on the forehead by the head priest, the heavens opened andThe name JESUS appeared on everyones four head. That was how i was saved. Since that time i have been slowly breaking evil covenants with prayers, as they are revealed to me. The last time an angel of God spoke to me. It was to tell me to be saying alleluia alleluia. This was immediately before the connection was cut off. Since then I've been in darkness.

Friend22:
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The possible answer to this,Ibn Abbass (may Allah be pleased with him ) was quoted as saying "nearly" a year;and you asked a question as to whether his wives,visitors and all couldn't know if he was dead or alive.
To the best of my knowledge that's not the reason for stating how he died it was to prove that even the jinns do not know about the unseen no matter their "vast" powers and yet,they couldn't tell when their master passed on.
You should know one thing, we Muslims don't just start fishing for answers to question which are not relevant;.
How he died ?
How long he died?
Wgo saw him die?are not relevant to us.. All we look at are the lessons we can get from what was revealed and narrated.
Is just like asking you when you were in the hospital bed,how long did you sleep on the bed?.who visited you and how many hours they visited you. Did you wife or mother visit with a white cloth or walking stick?
All these are irrelevant.

Whether he died for one day or one year before anyone could know is not the main point,but the point being established is that jinns do not have knowledge of the unseen-to know the death of even a close one.

One more thing, we believe wholeheartedly that the prophets do not decay!.So,thinking the stench of rotting corpse would have signalled the death of Solomon (peace be upon him) tin hus palace is out of the question.
This is my Iast in this..
I pray you find guidance into Islām
Peace to those who find true guidance!

MaxInDHouse:
They are not living anywhere but since their names are in God's memory book {Revelations 20:15} nothing can stop their resurrection back to life {John 5:28-29} so from God's viewpoint it's like He is watching them in videos always {Luke 20:38} as He remember them and ready to bring them back to life. Job 14:13-15

So they are all DEAD in their graves NOT living anywhere for now {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20; 9:5-10} until the day of resurrection but their names are already in God's memory book, that's what Jesus meant not that their spirit is living anywhere!

Bat4ever2023:
in that case, please teach me, I'm being held by generational curses and sometimes i will be attacked by witches. It has gotten to the extent that i find it difficult to differentiate between attacks and blessings.

Aemmyjah:
Luke 20:37, 38
But that the dead are raised up, even Moses made known in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’
38He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for THEY ARE ALL LIVING TO HIM. ”

Read the context of the verse you dropped. Jehovah did not tell Moses that 'I was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob' but he put it in the present tense because they are not dead in his viewpoint, they are still living to him as his faithful worshippers and he will bring them back to life


You have still not shown us where Bible says dead person leave the unconscious body and still living and aware