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Maynman:
So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

You said:

Maynman:
By the way, scientists says they don’t know.

Maynman:
What you mean here then.
“Only two seem completely different
1. Yahweh of the Christians and Jews
2. Allah of the Muslims”

Which god was noah and moses worshipping?

It seems you find it difficult comprehending things (Unfortunately I won't oblige you by reposting the text here).

How many Deites do you know that abhor the serving of other gods?
How many Deites in the world do you know that promises Resurrection of the dead (not reincarnation)?
How many Deites do you know that promise eternal reward for good and eternal reward for evil?

From these criteria, you can weed out thousands of Deities!

GodsOwnMan:
You can have faith that your wife will not cheat on your and yet she can end up cheating on you.

You can have faith that your palestinian god, yahweh exists and yet he does not exist.

On the other hand, reason tells me that the sky is blue. Emprical evidence. Get it?

Unfortunately for you sir,
The Sky is NOT blue Sir. Your evidence just failed you.

Sunlight reaches Earth's atmosphere and is scattered in all directions by all the gases and particles in the air. Blue light is scattered more than the other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves. This is why we see a blue sky most of the time.



You planning for the future is simply an act of FAITH: do you know if you'll be alive by next week Saturday?

GodsOwnMan:
Moot and I disagree. According to you your palestinian god has ALWAYS existed. And according to me the UNIVERSE has ALWAYS existed.

Okay according to you!
Unfortunately, scientific knowledge contradicts you.

The Universe has been expanding from an infinitesimally small gravitational singularity from 13.8 billion years ago. At the same instance, time, space and matter were simultaneously created.

Too bad!

Maynman:
YES.

i asked you now, what’s the origin of the word “miracle”?
Give me “standard definition”

A magician is performing miracles!?

Let me help you with the difference
1. A Miracle is a temporary suspension of the laws of nature for an objective.
2.Magic is the use of laws of nature or illusion to mesmerize.

Sometimes magic is loosely defined as to mean miracle but miracles is never used to mean magic.

This is the reason a Magician never does miracles but magic!

Maynman:
Arrant BS.

Olorun simply means lord of the heavens. Zeus simply means Lord of the heavens.
Should we also leave Christians and muslims with their zeus?

Olorun is an entity in yoruba religion. READ!

I laughed in Swahili!

Maynman:
Did you miss this?

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological description of the development of the universe. According to this theory, space and time emerged together 13.787±0.020 billion years ago,[11] and the universe has been expanding ever since the Big Bang.

CC GodsOwnMan

You are buttressing my point. The universe has a beginning 13.8million years ago.

Even the current Inflation Theory does not dispute that!

Maynman:
Who are your “people”.
Stick to our discussion, Chrestian.

Atheism is the opposite of theism. This is basic.

I have not denied that Atheism and Theism are opposite in meaning!


What I've said is that the standard definition of Atheism as a "LACK of BELIEF" is wrong and nonsensical


If
-Theism is the acknowledgement of Deities!
Then
-Atheism is the rejection of Deities!

Do you agree with this ?

Maynman:
Nobody thinks their wife will cheat on them, but alas we can see the reality.
You don’t know, you can only have “faith” and “hope” that’s not a good thing to base your entire life on.

Unfortunately, most important decisions of our life is made from FAITH.

How can you be sure you Fathered your children before investing all your life training them up?

Do you think Putin went to war without having Faith in His generals an His Plan?

Do you think anyone travels on a Plane without Having Faith that the Pilot is properly trained and mentally fit?

Do you eat in any restaurant without having Faith that the food is not poisoned?

FAITH is TRUST in the Integrity of a Personality: who ever taught you that faith is mindless believing is WRONG.

Do you know that by Faith you leap off from a plane having put on your Parachute!
You trust the INTEGRITY of the Parachute that it would do what it is designed to do.


Such it is with FAITH in God. IT IS A TRUST in HIS INTEGRITY!

Maynman:
Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?
No strawman fallacy here.
By the way, scientists says they don’t know.
Karma is also called law of causation.

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

Please can you give me a reference where science says:
It doesn't know of a infinite regress of cause and effect is scientifically or logically possible? AND the EVIDENCE for such a conclusion

And please justify how the Universe can begin 13.8 billion years ago?

Thanks

Maynman:
Your ignorance is glaring, how are you cherry-picking where to answer, why don’t you send a Wikipedia link of jews?

You quoted a verse in a random book. Bwahahahah.
It answered nothing Chrestian.
Is “noah” a jew?
Where do “jews” come from?

Who else is called a Jew in the world apart from people from a certain nation of Israel?

How could Noah be a Jew: only children of Israel can be Jews and Mordecai and Jesus were good examples!


Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and nation[11][12] originating from the Israelites[13][14][15] and Hebrews[16][17] of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated,[18][19] as Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, although its observance varies from strict to none

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

Maynman:
Some people love wallowing in ignorance!

It’s you that should read up.

Is theist and theistic satanist the same thing?
Are you not a theist?

Think na

I gave the difference clearly in my post, but as one who is enslaved by satan, he cannot see.

Let me oblige you:

TenQ:
Don't be blinded by words:
I said!:
Although there are two kinds of satanism
1. The religious/spiritual satanism:
They actually replace God with a spirit entity "Satan"
2. The irreligious satanism:
They replace God with self

The religious Satanist is a THEIST!

The Irreligious Satanist is an ATHEIST: he doesn't relate to any higher invisible being EXCEPT himself!

Of course, I am just defining the term SATANIST as not every Atheists call themselves a Satanist!

TenQ:
I wish you are humble enough to fill yourself with knowledge before splashing about the waters of reason


The Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are theistic Satanism and atheistic Satanism. (1) Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity, viewing him not as omnipotent but rather as a patriarch. In contrast, atheistic Satanists regard Satan as a symbol of certain human traits.(2)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

It seems you just read about the definition of Atheism!
SMH!!

Have you seen the difference?

Maynman:
What’s a miracle?
Don’t we have many “miracles” in your Christianity that was later debunked.



A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

I asked you,
When a magician is performing, is he doing miracles?

Maynman:
How did it became a title with no meaning?
This are basic things to understand, chrestian.

Olorun simply means lord of the heaven.
Heaven and sky means same thing.
We also have olokun. Lord of the seas.
Olorun is a member of the orishas.
God means orishas.
Olorun is a name and an identity.
Olorun is also olodumare
Olorun first child is orunmila.
It wasn’t olorun that created earth or human being.

President means Ruler, Head,

President of China is NOT
President of Ukraine and is NOT
President of USA neither is he president of Nigeria.

When a person uses the term President, then you have to look at it from his context.

Donald Duke : My president is my friend and he likes eating rice and beans
Donald Trump: My president is a my enemy and doesn't eat rice and beans

These two above are NOT contradictions!

Leave Yoruba Traditional Worshipers with their OLORUN
Leave Christians with their OLORUN and
Leave Moslems with their OLORUN

They refer to three different OLORUN!

LeHMaR:
If it's monotheism you speak of, then you're still wrong... Its 3 religion and not 2 with Judaism included.. Several religions are also henotheistic doesn't mean they don't believe in punishment for not worshipping thei God.
But let's live in your world, still my quote still stands...You don't believe in 1 and I don't believe in the two.. What's the difference?? You're still a atheist in the eyes of the other religion.. Oh i forget, you have a 50% chance of making heaven. While i have zero.

LOL!

At least, I have burst the so-called monstrous problem: from several thousand to two or maximum three!

You should give me credit for that. LOL!

At least your problem is NOW manageable!
LOL!!

GodsOwnMan:
Then I put it to you that the universe was ALWAYS and hence needs no god to create it. QED.

Except that the Scientific notation till date is that the Universe began about 13.8 billion years ago from a gravitational singularity.

According to this theory, space and time emerged together 13.787±0.020 billion years ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Sorry sir, you are completely WRONG!

Maynman:
Read slowly chrestian.
Elohim are sons of EL.
Elohim mean gods in hebrew.

Genesis 35:2 and Exodus 18:11
god =Deity!

It is a TITLE and I don't know what your problem is about it!

Maynman:
Is theist and theistic satanist the same thing?



Are you dumb?
Is Atheism not the opposite of theism?
Go look up on origin of the word, or the “standard definition”.

read and don’t rush.

I said:
Bwahahahah, now we have the standard definition of atheism.
And theism will be the opposite of this right?

“Theism is not a BELIEF in Yahweh or Allah or Vishnu BUT a BELIEF in the existence of any DEITY/God!”


As their father, yaldaboath, So they are.
SMH!

Just as your people right now cannot define correctly who a WOMAN is!
SMH!

The preferred definition of Atheism breaks down under reason!

GodsOwnMan:
Faith is the opposite of Reason.

Please go back to school.

Really?

Faith is the same as TRUSTING the integrity of a Person.

Do you think your wife (if you are married) will cheat on you?
The answer you give is a statement of your Faith or Lack of Faith in her.

If you have swallowed a wrong definition of faith, relearn.

Maynman:
This is your first time of asking me!

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?
No strawman fallacy here.
By the way, scientists says they don’t know.

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

Is the infinite regress of cause and effect Scientifically and Logically possible?

That is the question; the answer is either yes or no!

Retrocausality: is a function of your reference point. And it doesn't answer the question of infinite regress of cause and effect

Maynman:
Who are the “jews”? Where do they come from?
What does “jew” mean?
Is Abraham a “jew”?

You lack knowledge of your religion, that’s why you are a chrestian.

Your splashing about is disturbing:
Let me help you out

Esth 2:5:
"Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;"
John 4:9:
"Then said the woman of Samaria to him, How is it that you, being a Jew, ask drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans."

If you don't know who a Jew is after this, too bad!

LeHMaR:
You confuse me, To clarify, are you for or against being aheist.

I am a proud Disciple of Jesus Christ.

I just exposed the stupidity of the "several thousand Deities" problem of Atheists.

Their argument is reduced in an instant from several thousand to just TWO Yahweh and Allah!

Manageable even for Atheists!
LOL!

Maynman:
I wish you are humble enough to know you are ignorant, and lack knowledge of what you are saying.

Satanist groups one called theistic satanism, and another atheistic satanis.
Are you also not a THEIST? See this hypocrite oo.
Is theist and theistic satanist the same thing?

See what religion is doing to you.

It seems you don’t know what THEISM IS, which you are!

Some people are adverse to knowledge

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

Read up please!

Maynman:
It’s you that didn’t get the context. Relax

A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

We have so many magicians(that can cause wonder and astonishment) that can do that. Even in Christianity you can see the mockery of “miracles”

So, when a magician is performing, he is doing miracles?

Continue!

Maynman:
The term “god” “president” didn’t just fall from heaven like “manna”
We have etymology, where these words come from and the meaning behind it.
Look up on the origin.

Theos means gods in greek
Elohim means gods hebrew
English God comes from greek Theos(Theology, atheism theism), another also comes from germanic origin but that means “to pour”.
Sorry you didn’t know.
Olorun means “sky god”.
Orisha is God in yoruba
Allah is a Aramaic word that also means elohim, and means gods.

Your religion thrives on ignorance

EVERY TITLE HAS ITS MEANING ?

I wonder how difficult that is for you to comprehend Simple things!

OLORUN is NOT Sky God my dear!

OLU- Means Owner, Chief, King, Ruler etc
ORUN- Heaven (in context)

OLORUN means Owner, Chief, King, Ruler of Heaven.

And in Yoruba religion
OLORUN is the only Deity that does NOT have a shrine, not an idol not is he even worshipped directly


Olorun (Yoruba alphabet: Ọlọrun) is the ruler of (or in) the Heavens in the Yoruba religion. The Supreme God or Supreme Being in the Yoruba pantheon, Olorun is also called Olodumare. Among Yoruba people who practice Christianity and Islam, the name Olorun refers to the Abrahamic God.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%BB%8Cl%E1%BB%8Drun


ALAGA and CHAIRMAN means

I am sure you don't know that there is a difference between
OLORUN of Shango worshippers
OLORUN of Muslims
OLORUN of Christians
Because OLORUN is a TITLE not a name/identity!

GodsOwnMan:
So your palestinian god came from NOTHING?

Khai!

I don't know if it is a comprehension problem or cerebral freeze-up!

TenQ:
He was ALWAYS!

Is the infinite regress of cause and effect Scientifically and Logically feasible or possible?

Do think what you said is a representation of The highlighted?
SMH!!

Answer me please:
Is the infinite regress of cause and effect Scientifically and Logically feasible or possible?

Maynman:
Elohim are sons of EL.
Elohim mean gods in hebrew.

A TITLE used for any DEITY!
Even Idols are called Elohim in the bible!

Your ignorance of these simple things is appalling!

Maynman:
It looks like you’ve NEVER read on what theism and atheism is.

Your logic is the one that collapsed in front of you, I never mentioned “buhari” talkless of “president”. You’ve started believing abi instead of seeing fact, believer?

God is a title. Title for what? you can put “god the problem” it doesn’t matter.
Indoctrinated Theists like you are ignorance of what they worship.

God is an English word, where does it come from?
What language was tanakh and New Testament written in.
Your ignorance is glaring, no wonder you are worshipping god.

Bwahahahah, now we have the standard definition of atheism.
And theism will be the opposite of this right?

Theism is not a BELIEF in Yahweh or Allah or Vishnu BUT a BELIEF in the existence of any DEITY/God!

You are the one who STUPIDLY invented a phase I never said and Beloved it enough to claim to quote it!

If you are NOT as I claimed please, QUOTE me properly.

You who didn't know that there are two kinds of satanism!?

Please quote me if you are not a LIAR like the one who lives inside you
It is a challenge!
Quote me!


Here was what I said:

TenQ:
As newbie Atheists probably you are not aware that Atheism is not a DISBELIEF in Yahweh or Allah or Vishnu BUT a Disbelief in the existence of any DEITY/God!
So you see that you are the one who need to go back to read up what you've been brainwashing yourself with.

The question of which God/Deity is irrelevant. You are the one who has thoroughly misappropriated the definition of Atheism you claim to be!

As their father is , so they are!
SMH!!

Maynman:
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Few of the religions talking about imaginary heaven and hell.
Your religion thrives on ignorance.
Which research have you done to be making these bold claims?

Thank you and I've asked you enough times

Is an infinite regress of Course and Effect logically and Scientifically possible?

Maynman:
You forgot to add Judaism where Christianity and Islam comes from.

You are the one with the weak argument.

You waste my time as you don't read and comprehend

Did you read Jews AND Christians?

TenQ:
Too easy to sieve through them
17998 gods do not care of exclusivity of obeisance, they also do not promise eternal reward for their adherents neither do they promise punishment for evil people. Therefore, there is nothing to be worried about them.

Only two seem completely different
1. Yahweh of the Christians and Jews
2. Allah of the Muslims

See, I've simplified your problem .

LOL!!

Your argument is extremely weak!!!

Maynman:
God is a title not a person, which believers know their god spare parts? Is it yahweh worshippers?

What is the definition of atheism and theism. That’s where your problem is.

Clear your confusion with my post to you

TenQ:
I wish you are humble enough to fill yourself with knowledge before splashing about the waters of reason


The Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are theistic Satanism and atheistic Satanism. (1) Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity, viewing him not as omnipotent but rather as a patriarch. In contrast, atheistic Satanists regard Satan as a symbol of certain human traits.(2)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

It seems you just read about the definition of Atheism!
SMH!!

Maynman:
Don’t be blinded by ignorance
You lack the knowledge of what “atheism” and “theism means.

A Satanist believes in Satan. Satan is a deity.
Theists are the only one that believes in Deities.
Outside Theologies, Satan is not found.
A satan worshipper is a monotheist or a monolatrist, which are under THEISM.

Atheists don’t believe nor know who “Satan” is.

And hope you know satan is a verb not a person.

I wish you are humble enough to fill yourself with knowledge before splashing about the waters of reason


The Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are theistic Satanism and atheistic Satanism. (1) Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity, viewing him not as omnipotent but rather as a patriarch. In contrast, atheistic Satanists regard Satan as a symbol of certain human traits.(2)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

It seems you just read about the definition of Atheism!
SMH!!