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MaxInDHouse:
Suit yourself!

You should ALL be ashamed of yourselves. The scripture is very clear about you

2Tim 3:5:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
Do you know why you can't answer the questions as a True disciple of Christ?

Luk 12:11-12:
"And when they bring you to the synagogues, and to magistrates, and powers, take you no thought how or what thing you shall answer, or what you shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what you ought to say."

Your Organisation is your replacement for the Holy Spirit and since they've not revised the abrogated instructions, you are confused as per what to say.

I think you and everyone else has concurred with the OP that the JW organisation and their obedient slaves cannot answer some basic simple questions about their faith and beliefs.

RighteousDemon:
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Where is ?

Our Darling Daddy is an achiever!

MaxInDHouse:
September 2022!
They will come i promise you so wait for them!

Maximus, I must confess that I am thoroughly disappointed in all you JW Nairaland warriors (You, Janosky, Cornelboy, zealander10, etc)

Just like every secret cult, some information are meant only for the initiated. How can you prove that you aren't a SECRET CULT?

The Question is so simple any True Disciple of Christ would be able to give his honest opinion.

Unfortunately, your problem is that your Master: through the Watchtower Organisation has not given you the latest UN-ABROGATED version of what your answer should be.

Like I said:
I just need an understanding from your point of view.
I do not even require too detailed an exposé but a summary. Like for instance
1. Seal 1: Angel Michael starting JW organisation:Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Death Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Famine Continuous till date
4. Seal 4: Accomplished at...
5. Seal 5: Accomplished with the...
6. Seal 6: Accomplished when...
My Questions was based on what I asked your member a few days ago and her response.



Can you see how you shamelessly got stuck with answering the simple question!?

MaxInDHouse:
September 2022 remains just 22 days!
Wait JWs are coming to your neighbourhood you can ask them. Your neighbours need to know that JWs are your teachers too that's the same way i pocket my pride and humbly request a free home Bible study with JWs!

Can you see how it is difficult for you to speak of the TRUTH!?

The Righteous are as bold as a Lion.

Prov 28:1:
"The wicked flee when no man pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion."


Jesus spoke about those who are of the TRUTH: they don't require that people go to their confined space to know.
John 3:21:
"But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God."

He that does the truth comes to the Light sir!

MaxInDHouse:
I am not the topic you don't need to know me as we have no business together, it's what JWs believe which i humbly learned from them that you want to know not me!
So i've helped you enough by showing you that the organization surely have interpretation of God's word and for you to know more you have to welcome them into your home and study the Bible with them just as i did.

You have not shown ANYTHING!
I asked you to justify your claim that ALL the six SEALS of Revelation Chapter 6 are opened.

You spoke of three out of six SEALS is not the same thing as ALL sir!

MaxInDHouse:
The problem here is that you claimed you're a believer so why must you be so interested in what a group you called CULT teaches?

Why not just conclude like your friend:

Let me help you with the reason why I am interested.

1Cor 9:20-22:
"And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ, ) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

How can I come to an unbiased, logical and truthful position and conclusion about your organisation if I don't know how you interpret scriptures and your doctrines?

I can't judge you without knowing you sir!

Truvelisback:
Then assume they don't know.

Of course!

But it isn't that they don't truely have an answer, however, they are AFRAID
1. Of the backlash from the stupidity and illogicality of their response
2. Of failure of another imminent failed prophecy as usual
3. Of the consequence of their apparent disbelief and lack of conviction of the Watchtower position


What is so difficult in saying ones understanding of the fulfillment of the 6 seals of Revelation Chapter 6?

MaxInDHouse:
OK Sir!

But why is the answer to the Question so difficult if it is TRUTH?

Truvelisback:
U haven't answered TenQ question.

They have ALL been evasive over such a simple question!

They say until I joined their cult, the answer will not be given to me

MaxInDHouse:
I thought the topic of your thread is about one question?

A (one) question JW cannot answer

But i have answered three!

English language!

One Question is a SUBSET of Some Questions!

MaxInDHouse:
My mission on your thread has been accomplished! You said "a Question JWs cannot answer" i have proved to everyone here to that all JWs can answer the question the only difference is presentation which depends on how good one is in TEACHING.

September 2022 remains just 22 days from now, wait for Jehovah's Witnesses are coming to your homes then you can start a free home Bible study with us or take what the Pastors who has come to tell you their interpretation says or better still take what the REAL JWs who have the UNBIASED TRUTH say!

Evasive again!
Meaning that truly, you can't answer some questions to anyone who asks a direct question.

Luk 6:30:
"Give to every man that asks of you; and of him that takes away your goods ask them not again."

A person needs to be initiated into your cult to have answers to simple questions.

Thanks


You have proved that you JW obviously CANNOT answer some Questions in the Light!

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious you never got anything from my explanation so there's no need disturbing your brains:

1) Archangel Michael returned in 1914 and began restructuring his group for the harvest which has CONTINUED till today.

2) Satan and his demons were hauled down to the earth and they're the cause of arrogance that has led world rulers to start fighting so that bloodshed has CONTINUED till today.

3) Diversion of resources and manpower into military services instead of food production led to shortage of food in most places and it has CONTINUED till today.

The remaining you have to study with JWs or forget about it!

You ARE one of the JW, I on this basis ask you to state for me the summary of the fulfillment of SEALS 4-6 of Revelation Chapter 6 according to the scripture

1Pet 3:15:
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

I am asking to Know not to argue with you as you can already see !

siofra:
No sex until marriage!!!

Nigerian men can go, I'm not gonna budge even if I'm 60

Supported!

Any man whose perceived value of you is defined not by your Character, Intelligence, Poise and Confidence but only sex had better go somewhere else for those of easy virtues!

There are still thousands of young men and women who have decided to honour themselves and their God through purity of body, soul and Spirit!

Keep it up Jare!

TenQ:
I wish you respond to my questions please


Thanks.
However, I still need a summary of seals 4-6. It doesn't have to be very detailed. If the episodes are continuous, then I still would like to know their commencement period

So, in summary:
1. Seal 1: Angel Michael comes to establish the JW organisation Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Death Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Famine Continuous till date

Still waiting for seals 4 to 6.

Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
OP directed his questions to JWs and you're not one of JWs so what are you doing here?

Still waiting

MaxInDHouse:
OP directed his questions to JWs and you're not one of JWs so what are you doing here?

I wish you respond to my questions please


Thanks.
However, I still need a summary of seals 4-6. It doesn't have to be very detailed. If the episodes are continuous, then I still would like to know their commencement period

So, in summary:
1. Seal 1: Angel Michael comes to establish the JW organisation Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Death Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Famine Continuous till date

Still waiting for seals 4 to 6.

Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
All is continuous none stops when it commence until God's Kingdom comes mankind will continue to experience all, the only thing is each comes after the other but they stays until the end.

Avail yourself for more as you study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, attend our meetings and keep meditating on how things turns out being mindful of your spiritual needs not allowing worldly pleasures to carry you away! Luke 17:26-27

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Thanks.
However, I still need a summary of seals 4-6. It doesn't have to be very detailed. If the episodes are continuous, then I still would like to know their commencement period

So, in summary:
1. Seal 1: Angel Michael comes to establish the JW organisation Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Death Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Famine Continuous till date

Still waiting for seals 4 to 6.

Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
You should know how much we treasure people who are conscious of their spiritual needs like you! Matthew 5:3



But there are certain things that's not granted to everyone except those who made themselves like babies {Matthew 18:3} so try to avail yourself for a free home Bible study next month and humble yourself from the heart that's how you can understand all these things!

Note:
All these things only began simultaneously and they will continue until God's Kingdom comes!

Third Seal!

Due to wars famine struck the earth and it affected every part of the earth so that food became scarce as all politicians struggling for power keep spending millions of dollars to buy weapons and maintain security guards in the name of Army, Navy, Air force and so on, these people aren't doing anything other than training everyday in preparation for war that their political leaders could choose to avoid by following Jesus' wise counsel.
So the cost of food has continue to be on the increase globally and world powers are using diplomacy to collect more from developing nations but all the nations are using the little they have to amass weapons at the detriment of food supplies.

That's the third rider with scale in his hands shouting:

“A quart of wheat for a de·narʹi·us and three quarts of barley for a de·narʹi·us; and do not harm the olive oil and the wine.”

Meaning no matter the effect of this artificial famine breweries will never cease throughout the earth yet people in all countries will be complaining about high cost of FOOD!

Please avail yourself for a free home Bible study next month with a humble spirit like a child always ready to learn, i'm sure you will be granted the wisdom to decipher most of these things you're asking. Matthew 7:7-8
But if you're planning to become a pastor you can never understand {Daniel 12:10} because your desire to make money from what you're learning freely {Matthew 10:8} will always cause a friction and the spirit teaching humble ones can't stay with lovers of money! Matthew 6:24

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Thank you for your explanation of the third seal. If I understand you clearly, it is a continuous event unlike seal 1 and 2.

So, in summary:
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Death Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Famine Continuous till date


About becoming a Pastor, no need to worry: I don't have that specific calling as I serve God in other capacities.

Thanks again for availing me your understanding of seals 1-3. I'll appreciate if you can proceed to seals 4-6.

Thank you.

cornelboy:
When did ken4christ became a JW?

I don't have the explanation.
What's your interpretation of the 6 seals?

It was a mistake Ken4Christ name entered the list. My error.
Ken4Christ, I apologize o!
It's good you know he isn't one of you though.

I am not asking for explanations.

One of your members said that ALL the six seals have been opened. Maximus explained how seal 1 and 2 have been opened.
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.

I only ask for how seals 3, 4, 5 and 6 have been opened

cornelboy:
When did ken4christ became a JW?

I don't have the explanation.
What's your interpretation of the 6 seals?

It was a mistake Ken4Christ name entered the list. My error.
It's good you know he isn't one of you though.

I am not asking for explanations.

One of your members said that ALL the six seals have been opened. Maximus explained how seal 1 and 2 have been opened.
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.

I only ask for how seals 3, 4, 5 and 6 have been opened

Purerealist:
So what you are saying is that I can worship the Christian god by saying praise Zeus or praise Jupiter because they have the same attributes?

Zeus or Jupiter are specific names like Yahweh and NOT titles like ELOHIM, ALLAH or OLORUN

Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

OLORUN is a direct equivalence of Elohim or Allah. It's a TITLE for the Creator.
OLORUN is a compressed form of OLU-ORUN: meaning literally "the Chief or King of Heaven".

It is a TITLE, the question is when we call OLORUN who are we calling because there could be hundreds if not thousands of OLORUN. Just like there could be thousands of PRESIDENTS but which one is your own or which one do you refer to!?

When a Christian call OLORUN, he refers to no one other than YAHWEH!

MaxInDHouse:
So a round of applause for the REAL JW who is ready to dish out the UNBIASED TRUTH!

You are being evasive again:

Rev Chapter 6 As understood by JW organisation and their members!

MaxInDHouse:
Please you also need to savour UNBIASED TRUTH for the moment.

So let's welcome oteneaaron (Courz) in the thread, please a round of applause for an exjw who knows all the SECRETS of JWs that Maximus don't know but which has no negative impact in any human society!

My question I direct only to Maximus as one of the active member of the JW organisation and others liked him ( Janosky, Cornelboy, Ken4Christ etc)

Like I said: I don't need long explicit information for now. I need a short synopsis and I can ask questions only after.


Like I said:
I just need an understanding from your point of view.
I do not even require too detailed an exposé but a summary. Like for instance
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Accomplished during....
4. Seal 4: Accomplished at...
5. Seal 5: Accomplished with the...
6. Seal 6: Accomplished when...
My Questions was based on what I asked your member a few days ago and her response.


Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Well here it comes the "UNBIASED TRUTH"

Yes as understood by JW organisation and their members!

MaxInDHouse:
Even the answer i gave you is not as detailed in any JW website.
Each member of the Christian congregation is gaining more insight as we humbly attend our meetings, studying diligently, meditate thoroughly, preach zealously and pray fervently.

You can never understand to my level if you're not ready to accept the Governing Body as Jesus' representatives. That's the secret!

Most exjws already had doubts in their minds while they're still in the organization so the spirit in that organization will never increase their insight rather it will continue to format what they knew before {Matthew 25:24-25} while those that came behind them with open hearts will continue to increase in godly wisdom {Matthew 25:28} that's what Jesus meant when he said "the first will be last" {Matthew 19:30} can you imagine that i a former Muslim could be so knowledgeable much more than people like oteneaaron (Courz) who has been in the organization from birth?
Well it's because such ones aren't positive with their thinking so they're always double minded and God's Holy Spirit can't work with people with such spirit:

Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you INDECISIVE ONES. Give way to misery and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned into mourning, and your joy into despair. HUMBLE YOURSELVES in the eyes of Jehovah, and he will exalt you! James 4:8-10

Note the highlighted!

Like I've said: in my quest for this information, I have combed through some of your organisation's official weblinks without any tangible information. I just need an understanding from your point of view.

I do not even require too detailed an exposé but a summary. Like for instance
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.
3. Seal 3: Accomplished during....
4. Seal 4: Accomplished at...
5. Seal 5: Accomplished with the...
6. Seal 6: Accomplished when...

My Questions was based on what I asked your member a few days ago and her response.

Thanks.
I don't need a detailed study for now. The answer I get from this may lead to a much deeper digging into events and scriptures like the Berean

Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
@ TenQ
Those that knows all the things JWs are doing in the secret which i don't even know about and has no negative impact in the society are here.
Please lets welcome them!

But I ASK for an unbiased TRUTH from a faithful member of the JW organisation!

MaxInDHouse:
The first two seals are what i am permitted to interpret here!

The first seal Revelations 6:1-2

Jesus (Archangel Michael) began his conquest after Jehovah has given him the order {Psalms 110:1-3} he drove away Satan from heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} then he focused on the earth, took away the BORN AGAIN Christians that are sleeping in death {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} then he started to restructure his group by calling all faithful people out of Babylon the Great the world empire of false religion {Revelations 17:5 compare to 18:4} and they have become his disciples (spiritual soldiers) going from house to house and door to door, preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood what Jesus commanded them {Matthew 28:18-20} and in preparation for the coming Paradise they have gathered millions of obedient mankind, taught them to resolve all racial disparities amicably, diverted their resources into the production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons from their hearts and made them vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman, and as for military services they've said GOODBYE! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The second seal Revelations 6:3-4

Satan and his demons immediately came to the earth and trouble began as they possessed all the rulers of the earth because they're also power drunk and rebellious, this led to the first world war {Matthew 24:7} and bloodshed escalated quickly throughout the earth until now as politicians are intimidating people threatening them with death in all places, weapons were distributed among all those seeking political posts and their supporters. Only JWs are guiltless in all these because they've resolved to keep praying for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10

A hint for everyone!
Jesus said all these things will simultaneously occur as if it's natural only wise people will understand that Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) is the one doing his job! Daniel 12:1-10

So next month (September 2022) is your month of salvation. Luke 19:9
Jehovah's Witnesses have been ordered by the Governing Body to come preaching and teaching you in your homes, let those who wants to learn more about the sacred secrets welcome them like Zac·chaeʹus was eager to have our Master, Lord and King in his house!

Maximus can only create awareness for what you are to expect in your homes but i'm begging anyone reading this to humble himself when the JWs come knocking because Jesus kicked off this campaign in 1919 after restructuring his group and 2019 marked a 100 years that the JWs have been preaching and teaching from house to house when COVID-19 made them stop.
So it was 1919 ~ 2019 because of COVID-19 and now that they're about to start the last our job make sure you seize the opportunity to gain from them because Malachi said that's how your names will be recorded in the book of life {Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15} let arrogant people continue with their pride but you humble yourself and see the salvation of our God JEHOVAH and His Christ Jesus! Zephaniah 2:2-3

That's all the spirit permitted me to reveal for now!

Thank you for your explanations again on the first and second seals. As you will note, I am not contesting your explanations. I just want to have an understanding from your point of view.

However, I am more interested in the last four seals of Rev 6 as I want to understand your views on it .

If you are not willing to give me a direct answer, I will ask that you give me some website links from your organisation that answers this.

Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
What i humbled myself to receive from JWs so you too need to do the same!

Is this not a characteristic of a Secret CULT?

I am asking you Maximus a question as one of the JW: unfortunately, you have become a brick wall!

1Pet 3:15:
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

I have asked a question about REASON for your HOPE.

I've heard about seals 1&2 from you as already opened: one in 1914 and the other during WW1. I ask about seals 4-6!
1. Are they also opened?
2. When/How were they opened?


Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus also said you should AVOID the teachings of Pharisees (cultists) nah! Matthew 16:6, 12

So ask Jesus DIRECTLY for the interpretation instead of BEGGING JWs on line.
Your neighbours need to know that you are LEARNING from JWs jọ̀ọ́!
Na so mẹ sef pak pride keep for one corner to learn from them, i be Muslim before!

You don't seem to get the point.

I had always had a notion that seals 1-6 is yet to be opened but I met one of your members who says seals 1-6 are ALREADY opened. I searched online to get the Watchtower explanation and I couldn't find.

It was then I came on NL knowing that I have knowledgeable JW members I could ask the question.

Remember that I didn't intend to create a full thread on this question because I was just interested in knowing your interpretation of Rev 5,6,7 only to be met with a serious evasive manoeuvres.

Your avoidance of the question led to all these back and forth.

According to you:
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.



What is difficult in saying the occurrence of seals 3 - 6 ?

What are you hiding?

MaxInDHouse:
I wonder why TenQ will not accept this instead he's desperately asking JWs for what everyone can read in their copy of the Bible.

In fact the attitude of misinformed churchgoers each day keeps confirming JWs as the SALT Jesus talked about! Matthew 5:13

What I asked was a simple Question:

Are ALL the seals already opened?
You have spoken about seals 1&2 as opened and you explained how: at least you know that 1914 and WW1 are not in the bible.

What is your understanding of the seals 4-6? Are they ALL opened?

What is so difficult in giving an ANSWER? What are you hiding from us?

MaxInDHouse:
FRUIT really matters! Matthew 7:16-18

Why must you seek what belongs to evil cults nah? Matthew 16:6; 12
Why not prove to be a good fruit by sticking to what Jesus taught you? Matthew 7:24-27
Why not go out there and declare what you've heard in the ear since you have the holy ghost?
Why must JWs tell you their own?

Moreover wolves kills to survive while sheep only feed on pastures as in what our shepherds feed us! Matthew 24:45

The instructions from Jesus is very clear
Mat 10:27:
"What I tell you in darkness, that speak you in light: and what you hear in the ear, that preach you on the housetops."

Who ever requires that I should come into a secluded place in order to learn of Jesus is NOT of Christ!


That is why a simple question that should take less that a page is running into several back and forth.
According to you:
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.

Have you noticed that I did not and have not contested nor dispute your claims above?

What is difficult in saying the occurrence of seals 3 - 6 ?

What are you hiding?

Janosky:
MaxInDHouse,@3:17pm, today.
"That's why it's better you humbly request a free home Bible study with JWs in your neighbourhood. "
Oga, you are dishonest.



I have just one question for you:
Did MaxInDHouse insist you MUST join a cult as criteria to receive answers to your questions?

Oga,honesty is very far from you.
Remember this is a public forum.
The statement of MaxInDHouse is on this thread.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus taught some things publicly because it's what everyone can bear but when it comes to sacred secrets (deep things of God) it belongs only to those who have accepted him as their teachers wholeheartedly. Hebrews 5:14
So no JW will reveal these things to you as long as you're not ready to accept us as teachers {Matthew 7:6} if you trust in your pastors go and meet them for the meaning of the symbolic terms Jesus used in the Bible book of Revelation.
Just as zealander10 said, everything has been opened but it's all happening together though one was opened first as Jesus started by driving away Satan and demons out of heaven in 1914.
That's why it's better you humbly request a free home Bible study with JWs in your neighbourhood. Most of your pastors have studied with JWs but they knew all these won't yield tithing from their followers so they parked it aside to teach you people what you'll like to hear from them! 2Timothy 4:3
There are lots of symbolic terms in the Bible book of Revelation:
© Babylon the Great! 17:5
© Locusts like horses! 9:2
© The woman arrayed with the sun! 12:1
© The earth that came to her rescue! 12:16
© Second death! 20:14

And so on.
If you have not accepted us as your teachers it won't make any sense sharing with you what Jesus said should be shared ONLY among the sheep! Matthew 24:45

The question was, are ALL the six SEALS in Revelation Chapter 6 opened.

Maximus claimed seal 1 and 2 are already opened.
1. Seal 1: Accomplished in 1914
2. Seal 2: Accomplished during WW1.

He refused vehemently to say how seals 3 to 6 have been opened UNLESS I make you JW people my TEACHER as these things are only shared amongst your sheep.

I have not even disputed anything from seal 1 and 2. Why is is difficult to say how seals 4-6 have also being fulfilled? Why?

What did Jesus say?

Luk 11:33:
"No man, when he has lighted a candle, puts it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light."

John 18:20:
"Jesus answered him, I spoke openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, where the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."

But children of Darkness will always show their nature.

How are seals 4-6 opened?
I believe it is a simple and clear question
Must I join JW organisation to have an answer?