₦airaland Forum

LordReed:
Nah, what we have here is a person who doesn't even care to understand what he is arguing about before putting his foot in his mouth. Can you show me where I said the mind is chemicals acting on neurons? No because I didn't. Get a clue first my dude.

Odewaleadesoye:
Source: https://dailypost.ng/2022/02/18/buhari-healthier-than-most-nigerian-youths-attacking-him-garba-shehu/

LordReed:
My ability to think beyond the box of mythologies is clearly available for all to see, you on the other hand are still inside the box and can't seem to think your way out of wet tissue paper.

DeepSight:
Indeed.

Thus conclusively what we have here is the assertion that something which has neither been achieved, nor been proven to be achievable, is acheiveable inspite of the acknowledgement that it is impossible to ever prove it's accomplishment.

This alone, aside from all the other glaring pointers to the truth, is enough to rest this matter.

LordReed:
LoL! Says the person who couldn't provide evidence for his claims.

DeepsightX:
When you add on the capacity for conscience, morality and ethical values (which your No. 4 lightly hints at), the entire suggestion that machines can be self conscious in the way that humans are collapses like the ridiculous joke that it always was from the onset.

LordReed:
LoL. O the irony of this response.

jubrilcastle:
What I expected from you was to tell us the exact date the match between Nigeria and India took place. So we can correlate the date of thunder balogun death and see if truly he died on the field.

You are there shouting indomie generation whereas you know nothing.

Do you offspring a favour by debunking this folktale whenever it comes up. Be wise

HYDEEE:
My pops believed this shit till he died, my mom and most of my siblings believe the cap story too, some will say the ball get engulfed in fire or turn into a boulder, others will say the ball duplictes and confuse our players, the most ridiculous lie was the ball turning to lions, tigers or snakes and chasing our players around the pitch.Even as a kid the story sounded so fake to me and that was the age I believed that orange seeds that was swallowed grew in the stomach with it's branches growing out through the ears.

jubrilcastle:
What year did the tournament took place and which other countries where on the same group with Nigeria and India. Not to mention the players who represented Nigeria on the tournament. Abeg guy no dey believe story for small pikin

budaatum:
I've learnt some want to split themselves and others into separate components instead of seeing the whole person, and that I should focus on the persons I see before me instead of their souls that I most definitely see not.

DeepsightX:
So what I mean is with respect to robots, machine intelligence, AI - and the contention by some that it is conceivable for a machine to attain self-consciousness. I pointed out previously that humans are very complex beings who are even capable of absurdity - and by this I mean self contradiction, self negation and even self destruction. This is aside from all manner of absurd and even inexplicable patterns of behavior. My view and understanding is that they are capable of this because of the fact that they possess what I would call living-root-consciousness - in other words they are conscious beings at their core and so for instance can make one decision one moment and flip that decision on a hunch, impulse, intuition or "weird" feeling of any kind the very next instant. They can love and hate someone else at the same time. They can proceed on lines of action clearly detrimental to their own well being. They can sacrifice themselves for others or for a cause. They are capable of altruism and they can commit suicide. They are thus capable of a spectacular spectrum of varied absurdities.

The question is whether a machine could conceivably be capable of the like of such. Because it appears to me that being preprogrammed, nothing it does could be absurd in this sense. Even if it is programmed to self destruct, that is not absurd because that was what was intended in its program. By definition, it thus lacks the capacity to be absurd - and closely allied to this question is what I said about impulse and intuition and the like. There is quite enough in my view to shoot down the idea that machines can be self-conscious, and it's sadly disappointing to see the escapist responses delivered in this thread in that regard.

jubrilcastle:
Try and make research before spreading wrong info.

Richy4:
Lack of TV was not all that a contributing factor... It was ignorance and believing anything and everything with no question asked.....Kids of nowadays were more curious that when we were born...I don't know if it's the fact that many parent are now more liberal .

I remembered watching my favorite movie in the early 90s as a kid "The Delta Force".. I believed everything....Also, I was in SS3 when I discovered that Wrestling was fake... Someone showed me the background making and it puts me off till date... I was a lover of Wrestling until I discovered that I was being fooled.

budaatum:
You presume, TenQ.

In the school of ask, seek, knock, lesson one is the learning of the tools called what, why, when how, where and who, and their uses. Another word for it is Science, or how to use the senses.

‘I keep six honest serving men
They taught me all I know
Their names are WHAT and WHY and WHEN and HOW and WHERE and WHO’
From ‘Just So Stories’ by Rudyard Kipling

It is for this reason we do not live by bread alone least we become malnourished. A fruit forbidden stands no chance wherever it might be hidden.


That depends all on what I want to know about TenQ, and what concerns me now is only how TenQ reasons, which I can learn by reading TenQ's words, for they are the fruits TenQ lays before me.


Actually, to ask and seek and knock, is the most impossible thing for some to do especially for those who have been taught to believe they have already found.

As for where, In the beginning was the Word, so we start with reading, or rather, learning to read, and to understand what we read.


You start by reading up on what has been written on the topic from before Plato up until today. Then you read up on contemporary thought on the subject and in other fields where it comes up, like in psychology, mythology, philosophy, history, archeology, creative writing, science, etc., and then you apply your own mind to all you've learnt so you understand it, after which you may come to a determination or not.


I often start from the unknown. When I pick up a book to read, it's content is unknown to me, and to know is why I read it. That way, I don't just end up only reading what confirms what I might have already known, and I learn things I did not know.

I'm currently reading Dirty Old London by Lee Jackson to learn how the Victorians won the battle against filth so I might learn how the same tools might be used to fight filth in Nigeria because I don't already know.


To those who's only tool is a hammer, everything seems like a nail.

killyaselfie:
You perpetually benighted devotees of silly mythologies are the only blind ones. The whole world bears witness to the ignorance of the overtly religious and superstitious Africans, on the continent and in the diaspora.

What worthless christ? What worthless god?

EmmaNuella77:
Why is this thing on front page??

richiemcgold:
Only God knows why i fell for that crap back then. India? a non footballing nation that are only good at cricket? yet we all fell for it; especially that thunder balogun shot that turned to stone and pierced through the belly of Indian keeper. Chei!

Richy4:
Kids born in the '70s '80s and '90s were taught not to argue with the elders even when they were obviously lying... I heard it also but I never took it seriously...

The version I heard was that when they kicked the ball @ the 18yard box, what the goal keeper would be looking at was a lion. Immediately it lands inside the net, it turns to a soccer ball..I managed to ask for the name of the Goal keeper, no name was supplied.

DeepSight:
One question which I would still like looked into is if it's conceivable for a machine to be capable of absurdity.

Diridiri you appear to have retired, but I would have liked to hear you on this question.

budaatum:
If buda generalises from my postulates of TenQ based on so little then I buda must love being ignorant because it is far too insufficient knowledge for me to claim to know you, TenQ. I mean. Our discussion so far is an introduction to so many conversations we might have over so many years during which I know I'll learn so much more about TenQ, so perhaps my consciousness of my current ignorance about TenQ gets in the way of the hubris of delving into TenQ's soul.

Please know that if buda adopts the above attitude to knowing [about] TenQ to that used to knowing about souls or anything at all, then buda is a lazy ignorant fuq who has not bothered to ask and knock and seek with all her heart and soul and mind and being and entire existence.

NNTR:
In a simplest form, both are abstract
The mind is in the soul, just as the algorithm is in the software, loll

The software is housed in a hardware, while the soul is housed in a human body.
The software interacts with various parts of the hardware, while the soul, does similar, it interacts with the body and the spirit man

The software that this platform is coded from is bespoke. Yes, it first used PHP, before Python, so you can call the platform software as mainly Python, just as you can be called 'killyaselfie'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Karleb:
Whoever told this lie should be given a noble price, I believed this story till my teens.

bluefilm:
The version of the story I heard was that whenever India kicks the ball towards the Nigerian goal post, the ball will turn into a solid rock, or it will turn to Tiger head to scare away the Nigerian goal keeper

abeniagbon:
This is just a video film that was far recorded back then, you should have asked what is really happening when they are on the pitch.

From their account they said they were seeing ball turning to something else. And I guess you should ask ourselves why is india not playing for world cup... Why did you thing they kept them away for so long till now that they are accepting them to play again all because of their tallis

spartan117:
Go and check the dark web

spartan117:
The version I heard growing up was that the ball turned to tiger anytime the Indians shot it at our goalkeeper. And that the ball turned to a rock when the Nigerian striker was about to kick it, but he still kicked it anyway, scored and died right there on the field.

Fcwilly:
Not like that

jubrilcastle:
I pray make God give some people sense. Even the very first world cup the video clip is out there. But till date nobody has ever seen the video of India Vs Nigeria

DREAMZZZ:
This was the match we lost out very own Pele in the name of Samuel okwaraji......he died for the glory of his country by taking the last penalty against a ball that turned to lion head...dying in the process

Dayvidblue:
Almost everyone I knew while growing up had heard at least one version of the story.
I love that story so much, not because it is true but because it has served me a lot.


Most of the time I employ it in my analogies to illustrate to some idiots that the fact that an idea or story is very popular and well accepted does not necessarily make it true.

Fcwilly:
To be virgin is good but if you're a lady and interested in getting married and you are above 25years and still claiming to be a virgin, you're not doing yourself any good.
If you cherish your virgin status please get married before you get to age 25.