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setobaba:No sir. We also inport petrol, diesel and kerosene. All our industries depending on inports: the kind of inflation you will see when!! |
BeeBeeOoh:Just one question: How are you bringing down inflation? Lying government! |
eyinjuege:If that's true, she would have gone to the courts alone. I want to believe her lawyers advised her to be absent, for whatever the excuse was.. |
kode12:Or go and beg. |
kode12:Could it be that someone was sponsored to arrange their absence in court? Could it be that Jaruma's lawyers were compromised with some hefty millions? Only the parties concerned know the full truth. |
budaatum:Thanks for coming out on that! Everything just made sense! |
DFOmobolla:A Human being has two natures 1. A physical nature: By which they exist, feel and interact with the physical world. 2. A spiritual nature: By which they exist, feel and interact with the spiritual world. The soul is a store of knowledge, memory, personalities, emotions and character that share its nature with the body/physical nature and with the spirit/spiritual nature of man. At death, man drops his physical body from the union of his body, soul and spirit. Hence, at death, man become like the angels (a union of soul and spirit). Resurrection is the recombination of the body with the Living Soul (union of soul and spirit) DFOmobolla:Very true. Except that God as a spirit does not have a beginning not an end. Angels are Sprits Demons are spirits Humans are also spirits |
DFOmobolla:The mind is a component of the soul that intelligently process data, information and logic. The soul consists of the Will, Emotion and Intellect hence the mind is a subset of the soul. I do not believe in reincarnation: it is senseless in all ramifications. I believe that every human soul is unique and eternal because a human being is also a spirit. When a human dies, he looses his physical body, but his spiritual body is still in Union with the soul. Spirits have a beginning but no end unlike God who is the primary and eternal spirit. |
DFOmobolla:I had done that earlier in this thread. I have described that a human being is like a computer or an advanced AI robot with two components 1. A Hardware (the Body) The tangible/physical part of man which consist of the Brain, Nervous System, Sensory Organs etc 2. The Software (the Soul) The intangible nonphysical part of man which has three main attributes of the Will, Emotion and Intellect. The parallels are remarkably similar. Buda does not object that it seems that the man's body is controlled by a kind of software BUT he calls it the MIND (rather than the soul). He believes that the Mind is an integral part of the Brain. Unfortunately, I used examples of several activities of living beings that are not mind defined such as INTUITION and INSTINCTS (both are not controlled by the mind) they are preprogrammed behaviours. He claims to follow Christ, hence my use of the scripture to help him refocus on the truth. |
POSmecrhant:A very big mistake. Sell your house only to buy another real estate. Business can flop for any unforeseen reason. |
budaatum:Why is it that God seems to be able to do what man cannot do with respect to killing the body and mind? Jesus emphatically said that man CANNOT kill the Soul : at least you agree that men can destroy the mind. Mat 10:28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." |
budaatum:And I therefore asked you this question which you have ignored. Jesus said : Mat 10:28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." If the mind is just an extension of the brain, then, it can be killed by man. How come Jesus said: men cannot kill the MIND What is your take on this? |
DeepSight:You copied out just the conclusion and concluded that it didn't make sense. Speaking about appropriate punishment The Creator of Everything gave you an instruction and you blatantly refused, what do you think should be the punishment? Is it a Limited punishment or a Extraordinary Punishment? Read again the concept of the SCAPEGOAT. The scapegoat is one who serves the punishment due to the whole class. If God chose a scapegoat instead of you, should you not be grateful? Now God did not choose a human being to be a Scapegoat even though a human being was the guilty one, should humans not be grateful? The innocent life in the old testament is an animal NOT a human being. The purpose of the sacrifice of Christ are 1. Animals are not in the same class with humans this cannot be a suitable equivalent scapegoat. 2. No single human being is perfect enough to be a Scapegoat for another human being because he himself need atonement. Hence the need of a sinless person who can become the scapegoat: Christ Jesus. 3. The solution of God is an infinitely great (perhaps too expensive) substitute: Himself (because of Love) 4. What was required as an evidence of payment is NOT life but the BLOOD! Rev 1:5: "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him that loved us, and[b] washed us from our sins in his own blood,[/b] " Finally, the concept of the scapegoat came from the OLD Testament and NOT from pagan origin. Lev16:1-26 |
budaatum: Jesus said : Mat 10:28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." If the mind is just an extension of the brain, then, it can be killed by man. How come Jesus said: men cannot kill the MIND What is your take on this? |
budaatum:Instinct is an unlearned knowing/knowledge of a living being. Both humans and animals have some basic instincts. Most carnivorous animals have to learn to hunt for food, whereas animals like reptiles have the instinct to hunt for food. Doesn't instinct look like programming to you (since they are not learnt). 1. Are Instincts a product of the mind? 2. If the mind is just an attribute of the brain, where does the unlearned knowledge in instinct come from? (Does instinct originate from the brain?) |
budaatum:Meaning that what I call the SOUL is what you call the MIND both having exactly the same attributes of WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT; right? I think the Soul is what empowers/energises the brain (just like a computer program energises the CPU of a computer) On the contrary, it seems to me that you think that the Mind is just an attribute of the Brain. Is this opinion of mine about you correct? |
budaatum:My mind is a subset of my Soul. I think with my mind. I store and process data and information with my mind. Logic is processed by the mind. The summation of everything the mind does is our INTELLECT. I have repeatedly told you that our SOUL consist of the Faculty of our WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT. How you refuse to comprehend this baffles me. Now, please answer my question: Let me rephrase: About The Body is a Slave to the Mind. Animals have a mind just as humans have their mind. Is this a true statement or not? What then rules the other in an animal: is it the animals body or the animals mind? Your other question: TenQ, does your soul rule you or do you rule yourself with your mind?My Soul (through my WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT (mind)) rule my Body. I subject my Soul to the knowledge of God's words and God's will so that my Soul acquires WISDOM to rule my body. This make me direct my WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT to rule my Body excellently If not for this, I could be come a savage being |
budaatum:The mind is our Intellect which is one of the functions of the soul. Our Soul have the attributes of Will, Emotion and Intellect. It cannot be simpler than that. budaatum:You have started with your unthoughtful words again. About the mind and soul, I told you that the mind is a subset of the soul. The mind is limited to reasoning and intellectual ability who h I consider as restrictive. Our soul includes our WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT (mind). For your sake instead of strictly using the Soul as it is proper, I use the phrase mind/soul. This consideration by me you consider as DISHONESTY!? What does it mean to be dishonest? Why should I act with you with deceit? What have I to gain by trying to deceive you? If you cannot point them out, it means you have been rash and uncouth in your choice of words. It is possible to disagree on issues without spewing out negative emotions that lead to broken relationship. |
budaatum:Let me avoid using the term SOUL as it seems to offend you. Let me rephrase: About The Body is a Slave to the Mind. Animals have a mind just as humans have their mind. Is this a true statement or not? What then rules the other in an animal: is it the animals body or the animals mind? |
PoliteActivist:It is a law of responsibility and maturity. Why adopt a child when you are not willing to be a True father to such a child? Do you know that the veteran Actor Joke Silver (Wife of Olu Jacobs) was Adopted. Interestingly, the name of Barister Silver is alive today because of her. She wasn't even told that she was adopted. She discovered it within her mother's documents by Accident. |
budaatum:I can see that it is by CHOICE you refusing the idea of the soul of a man. It doesn't matter what even Jesus says: I guess we have become wiser than the Creator at this contemporary age. Notwithstanding, Mr Buda, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I only saw loopholes in your train of thought and I don't want you to be emotional about it. We could all learn together. We can go slowly through those points. About The Body is a Slave to the Mind. Animals have a mind/soul just as humans have their mind/soul. Is this a true statement or not? What then rules the other in an animal: is it the animals body or the animals mind/soul? |
PoliteActivist:But he is still your first son! It is an immature man that will make a distinction between his adopted children and his biological children. |
PoliteActivist:Adoption is a legal process where you legally take over the parenthood of the child. In fact, if the biological father comes along, he doesn't have any right over the child until the child becomes an ADULT! |
caesymore:Legally speaking, your adopted son is your first son. He bears your name as a son. |
DeepSight:I think the major problem is NOT understanding the weight and seriousness of sin. What do you think should be the punishment for rebellion or blatant disobedience to the CREATOR of Everything? Just as there are Physical laws (gravity, electromagnet, entropy etc), there are biological laws (reproduction, mutation, aging etc), social laws, etc, there is also spiritual laws one of which is "the law of sin and death". The law of sin and death prescribes DEATH (severance) from the SOURCE of EVERYTHING who is God Himself. We own our Body and we own our Soul but we do not own our Spirit. Our spirit is God's. When we soil our spirit with sin, we more or less soil God with blemish hence if God would remain perfect, such tainted spirit is severed eternally from God. But, there is a CLAUSE John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, ... This necessitated God Himself to prescribe a workaround to this law of sin and death without violating His attribute of being Just. To free the "loved" person from the judgement of his CRIME against God, someone MUST pay the debt with his Life The concept of the SCAPEGOAT is well evident in the scripture. Please check this scripture: Lev 16:7-10,16-18,21-22: "And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. … And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remains among them in the middle of their uncleanness. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goes in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. And he shall go out to the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it on the horns of the altar round about. … And Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear on him all their iniquities to a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness."1. The children of Israel sinned 2. God's prescription is a SUBSTITUTE for the punishment 3. This sacrifice is done ONCE a YEAR for the sin of Israel. NOTE: This is God's own SOLUTION for the PROBLEM of SIN in Man. To the New Testament: Heb 9:12: "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb 10:4: "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." The Blood of Animals is an antitype pointing to the time when the LAMB of God will once and for all take away the sins of the world. John 1:29: "The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God , which takes away the sin of the world." Jesus Himself explained it like this: Only those who accept God's solution and prescription for the problem of sin gets SAVED. John 3:14-15: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life." Conclusion: Why does God require Blood/Life as sacrifice for SIN? Because sin MUST be punished (no escape for that)! Cc: NNTR |
tctrills:It certainly was not righteousness, it was ignorance. Why? 1. The proposal of Jephthah was stupid in its own sense. Who does Jephthah will come out from his door to greet him? A dog, a cow, a slave or her daughter? 2. The Bible recorded what actually happened as a historical record. Jephthah was not commanded to do such but that was what he did. God did not validate what Jephthah did in any way. 3. It was a time of gross ignorance in Israel. Everyone did as he thinks! Judg 17:6: "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes." Conclusion: Was it true that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter? Yes What it RIGHTEOUSNESS? No Was Jephthah commanded as such? No Why was it recorded? It was an accurate account of what happened at that time in Israel with Jephthah! Cc: NNTR |
NNTR:Let me check the original post. I'll feed you back |
budaatum:Matthew 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Joshua 22:5 But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord gave you: to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to keep his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul. 1. Why do you think Jesus distinguishes your mind from the "needless soul"? 2. If the heart is sometimes used synonymously with the mind, what then is the soul as referred to in these scriptures above if it is needless? 3. What then the soul according to the scriptures budaatum:Why dont you look at it this way sir. 1. The Body is a Slave to the Mind. Examples: The Body is craving for Food, but the Mind/Soul tells the Body "It is Fasting Time" The Body is craving for Sex, but the Mind/Soul tells the Body "Dont, this sex can destroy you" The Mind/Soul desires to Party, the Body is instructed to Dress up and go to the party 2. The Body is Weaker than the Mind. The body is actually very dumb Of course except when the errand from the Mind/Soul is beyond the capability of the Body, the Body ALWAYS complies. 3. The Body only excels in what is AUTOMATICALLY programmed for it to do Examples: Breathing, Reception of Sensory Perceptions (Pain, Pleasure, Itches etc) The Body is actually more or less a dumb brute 4. The Mind/Soul major assignment is to Preserve the Body and Enjoy itself in the process. The mind/Soul succeeds or fail at this depending on how matured it has become over time through the Knowledge, Experience and Deductions it has made over time. This is why a drug addict usually fail because his mind/soul is weak and immature. Because of this: the scripture compels us to RENEW our Mind through God's words Romans 12:2 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. NOTE: The difference betweens Humans and Animals is simply that 1. Animals obey their mind/soul in all things in its primary duty of pleasure and preservation 2. Humans also have their CONSCIENCE that moderates how their mind functions in its primary duty of pleasure and preservation Most of the humans laws are formulated from the Reason-Conscience aspect of mind/soul/spirit In summary, the more ENLIGHTENED (Educated), STRONG and TRAINED our mind/soul is, the more Cultured our Bodies appear in the Society. |
LordReed:Your thread? Ask seun about that! In not a single place have you said the relationship between the MIND and the BODY! You have only critiqued what others said. Are you afraid? |
budaatum:You see no evidence that the mind exist?!! Don't be an escapist! I didn't ask you questions relating to the soul: I asked you about the mind-body interaction...break it down in a relatable way. QED! TenQ: |
LordReed:That's why a simple question about what you think about mind-body interaction has escaped you. I guess it just dawned on you that you've got nothing articulated to present as your position not to talk of defending it. Since you are blank, stop wasting any more precious time. |
LordReed:Nothing except ramblings. What is your position? Probably only you know: at least you know mine. The Soul is analogous to the software of a computer that powers the Body. Just like a Software in intangible (immaterial), the soul is immaterial. See how easy that is!? Simple, Understandable, Concise and Relatable. I don't have to ask you to read 30 pages to present my views. What is your view? Can it stand any form of scrutiny? |
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