LordReed: Because your response is not an answer to the question posed. I ask you for a clear way to distinguish between 2 different things and you respond with a rhetorical question whose answer provides nothing in a way of an answer.
To answer any question of a complex nature, you move from known to unknown.
The question was knowing which position is correct from 1. The intangible Soul/Mind/Spirit as the fundamental source of living activities OR 2. That the tangible organs/genes/brain/chemistry as the fundamental source of living activities
What are the knowns that can be used to comprehend or explain what our observations?
A good example of the known is a Computer/AI humanoid robot. It is entirely built up of physical tangible matter BUT is controlled by an intangible SOFTWARE!
A logical question to test the above hypothesis of similarity is to ask the question: Is it possible to have a computer/AI humanoid robot that is devoid of a software?
The answer for now is NO!
Meaning that the hypothesis makes sense UNTIL a better one is put forward.
HardMirror: you contradict your self. You say what controls an artificial intelligence. Then you talk about flow of electron and software conveniently forgetting that softwares are basically at the machine language level just 0s and 1s Open and close gates. Which simply means control of flow of electrons in the processor(transistor). So your point is pointless except for people who dont know how machines work
Sorry bro! It seems it is you who don't know that the software is the INFORMATION and INSTRUCTIONS that tell the electrons how to move and control other devices in a computer. Without the INFORMATION/INSTRUCTIONS, nothing happens in a computer!
DeepSight: Even at that, to be sincere animals are not homosexxual in the way that humans understand homosexxuality. You scarcely find animals who have a limited and strict desire for others of the same sex speficically: more often than not because of the way animal sexuality works with periods of heat, you will find that many animals will hump anything humpable around them during such heat. My dogs would hump my leg when desperate, they would also hump tables and chairs. However this has been seized upon by many people to erroneously or disingenuously characterize such as evidence of animal homosexuality when they hump another of the same sex in like manner.
Just like cannibalism, whenever (even if it can be proved that it occurs) it is found in nature, it must be an aberration else life would have been extinct!
It has been as if I am a lunatic for saying these simple things.
And you are perfectly correct.
Unfortunately, the truth points them to a direction they would rather find an alternative. The narration of God preprogramming existence is something they don't want to consider at all.
Can a program write itself from sets of alphanumeric characters (given enough time and permutations of combinations)? I still wonder how they feel that somehow the answer can be a YES!
DeepSight: Now I am forced to steal the words of the greatest Nairalander of all time, Sir 'Kumo of That (also known therefore as Sadat, or simply as Jakumo) and say that you sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Because two years ago I wrote an article titled "The Resurrection of Heresy" in which I pointed out just how the scientific academia now punishes what it deems heresy in a frighteningly similar way to the Roman Church of old.
I will post that thread somewhere.
Of course! My first eye opener was the Y2K supposed epidemic where computers will crash, planes will fall, banks will loose trillions of dollars etc. We now know that it was a hoax.
Look at the COVID-19 and their vaccination solution. Data is now showing them wrong even though they boxed the whole world to think along their line of thinking.
LordReed2nd: Too easy yet you mere disparage the idea that chemicals rule us (which BTW is NOT my position) without actually laying out the process by which we may distinguish an autonomous unit from a driven one.
I think I answered you: I said Too easy!
Logically look at the unknown from the point of view of the known.
Is it possible to have a complex AI humanoid robot that is not software driven?
DeepSight: I need to isolate this excellent point: for the way scientists describe it, one would think that the genes have a mental purpose of their own which they execute with the creature as a mere tool or vessel for the independent agenda of the genes.
Meaning that the purpose of the genes were determined externally by the Creator. Of course Atheists and many biologists will disagree vehemently against such idea.
I sometimes wonder how dogs seem to know how to mate even without ever seeing copulation by older dogs.
DeepSight: You are very much on point good sir. Its amazing to listen to an evolutionary biologist such as Richard Dawkins on this subject sometimes - amazingly absurd. Mind you, he is a man I have strangely come to admire over the years, after an initial strong dislike, but when you hear him talk on this subject, he virtually attributes personality and intentionality to chemicals. The chemicals, of their own volition, in his view react to even situations that evidently require a purposeful mind to react to. And this again harks back to a question I asked early on - a chicken and egg question: which comes first - is it the mind directing the chemicals to act or the chemicals making the mind act. Or in fact, the chemicals making the mind direct the chemicals to act on the mind, to direct the chemicals (and this becomes and infinite loop, a never ending cycle, in fact, an infinite regress, to show you the absurdity.
A clear and lucid view of things should render it obvious that mere dead matter (or any combinations of mere dead matter) cannot account for the minds that we have, or for the beings that we are.
It is unfortunate that the scientific community is sometimes like a CULT. Some aspect of objective reasonings are deliberately shut out in favour of another theory of favour.
For instance even though a transgender and same-sex attraction is an aberration in nature, the scientific community against all common sense refuse to see it like a mental disorder!
With respect to which came first between the mind and chemicals: the question to ask is why our WILL can override our Feelings and Emotions?
LordReed2nd: We can distinguish between when an autonomous vehicle is operating and when a vehicle is being driven by a human driver. How can we do the same for the body?
To distinguish between whether a vehicle is autonomous or not takes being outside the internal space of the vehicle.
Can the vehicle itself know the difference between when it is software driven or driven by a person?
Don't forget that an autonomous vehicle is designed to imitate as close as possible human response to the environment.
LordReed2nd: In otherwords how can we know who is correct between we who say the body and mind are an integrated unit operating autonomously and you who say the body is driven or ridden by a spirit/soul?
Too easy! Logically look at the unknown from the point of view of the known.
Is it possible to have a complex AI humanoid robot that is not software driven?
If let's say it is possible, how is the basic rules of interaction with the environment set? A baby as soon as it is born instinctively know that he should breath in air and exhale out wastes. The baby seem to know that the solution to hunger is to drink milk. Baby chicks don't have to be taught to walk or peck at food.
If chemicals rule us, why is it that manytimes, we through our will override our FEAR?. If chemicals rule us, why is it that manytimes, we through our will override our PAIN?
DeepSight: I very simply agree, in fact, so simply that one is accused of being simplistic. This is why I have said earlier that such a line of thinking as they have would lead to imbuing the components of the body with intentionality. Right down to cells and neurons. Because one would have to locate all intentionality in the concerted and coinciding actions of these.
I agree totally with you.
One other keyword that is not considered is PURPOSE! Every living thing seem to have an underlying purpose whether it is recognised or not.
Fishes will swim dangerous terrains just to get to a place to brood and procreate.
There is just this drive to self preservation and reproduction that cannot just be attributed to chemicals flowing. Chemicals don't and can't care about anything. They just mindlessly react with other suitable chemicals if the environment is suitable.
HardMirror: you err in this.... while you cannot control your own brain (directly), you quickly and promptly forget that you can do this through drugs? You quickly forget or deliberately ignore the fact that drugs and absolutely alter reality. Which is proof that a chemical process affects what we think is the mind... therefore proving that the mind is not spiritual. Your reality is in and through you brain activities only
What truely controls an artificial intelligence robot? Is it the electrons that flow in its central processing unit OR the software that controls how the electrons flow?
Drugs/Chemicals can induce certain perceptions and reactions to the environment BUT is that the end or the vehicle of control?
It is well known that electrical impulses control muscle movement. Can the same argument of the chemicals in the brain not also be used for electric impulses?
A software doesn't work in isolation of the hardware: the mind is the software that work on the body. The chemicals, elections, etc are just vehicles of control.
LordReed: Hi DeepSight. So this thread will carry on with our discussions from other threads. I will start with the following reply to your comment. I will also subsequently add replies to your other comments.
Oh the analogy is very apt. A driverless car acts just as directed as though a human being was driving it because all its integrated systems work to provide a safe driving experience with all the same features of a human driven vehicle. The car will brake, turn, slow down, speed up, allow for car spacing from cars in front of it, follow lane markings, etc just as well as a human. It would be futile to now say that because you cannot locate the driver inside therefore it is unable to function without a driver.
Also driverless cars do have seats and steering and all the other accoutrements that a "normal" car has so the question would be how do we distinguish between a driverless car and a human driven one? Which is directly analogous to the question how do we establish that a human being is "a machine suited to house and facilitate the experience and activity of a resident "being."" rather than the machine with all its attendant functions as an integrated whole?
Haven't we discussed this before?
The mind-matter analogy with respect to autonomous vehicles is close enough to how humans and other living beings operate if you consider 1. The Software of the Vehicle as synonymous to the Soul/Mind/Spirit of living things 2. The Hardware of the vehicle as synonymous to the body tissues and organs in living beings.
The software is not tangible in any way just as the Soul/Spirit/Mind is not tangible.
Those who argue that the mind is just chemicals acting on the brain do not realize that they are saying that "the brake fluid" is responsible for slowing down of the vehicle or the steering is responsible for the turning of a vehicle without accounting for the DRIVER who causes the visible effects to take place.
FERNANDEZISBACK: Well according to the so called Christians their God will forgive you no matter the offense y've committed..
Now speaking from my view an imaginary creature cannot “forgive” any crime cos he is simply not there.no third party or God can forgive or wash away your sins or wrong doings for you..you must learn to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your actions and misdeeds by APOLOGIZING to the wronged party and offer restitution by paying for your crime..that's why we have the law in place..
Supernatural Sin Forgiveness is just another PROMISE of the Christian Faith to keep you DELUDED & SUBMISSIVE…
Simply your opinion and it holds no water in the face of the TRUTH!
kenbee: Great talent but overhyped publicity. In actual sense, this is a mini power station and not a transformer. A mini power station is even a bigger project than a mere transformer His talent needs to be nutured and hanessed.
You are correct! Unfortunately our education in Nigeria is so archaic and narrow that most cannot distinguish between what makes a power station and a transformer!
Stargurl20: Guys, do not lose a good woman just because she unintentionally had a fling with a guy or something. Learn to forgive, forget and move on with her
Then you start wondering whether or not to repeat the DNA tests you had on your three children with her.
Spark2: Hi guys, I've been invited to the third stage of sterling bank recruitment. This stage is called assesment center and the mail I received reads that the Assessment Centre will test skills such as creativity, critical thinking, analytical skills and digitally savvy skills...
Honestly, I do not know what to expect. Any idea?
One of the best replies, but he didn't quote you
Focusmind: Read about sterling Bank and what they are currently targeting to achieve. You must have the correct questions to ask when the time comes for you to ask them questions.
Your questions must focus on what the bank's strategies are and how they intend to achieve them. The questions you ask may be the thing that will distinguish you from other candidates. Your questions must be intelligent questions.
Have mastery of all the those "lies" and "achievements" you indicated on your CV. You must be ready to defend every skills and training you claimed to know and have attended. It is not uncommon for people to lie on their CVs and embellished them with lies, just know how to defend those lies.
Look smart and suave. Don't wear those boggy and oversized suites sold by those Mallams at Marina, go to idumota and get second hand Zara suite and give "Ndi Obioma" to mend it to be body fitted.
Don't take this opportunity for granted. Entering the banking sector as a graduate trainee is a dream of every graduate and it's an opportunity to set your career on a path of growth.
The greatest threat to Atheism is the Christian faith.
I believe you know this quote: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Even though Atheism doesn't respect Islam, Islam is a tool to be used against Christianity. It explains why ANYONE can write ANYTHING against Christianity and the antagonists are protected
1. Islamic section is protected by one who knows the nature of Christian so well... Taqqiyya is not justifiable in Christianity 2. The Atheists don't even have any section anyone can point to in NL.
House34: Why would a loving God punish a single lifetime of sin with endless lifetimes of torture? In HELL FIRE And, among sinners, does an adulterer merit the same punishment as a murderer? And what about the billions of people whose only sin was to follow a different faith?
Your business is to CHOOSE where you'll rather be. Enjoy and endless future because of the choices you made in your earth life OR Receive an endless rejection because of the choices you made in your earth life.
Who told you that God is the "soft-teddy bear" loving God?
The Lake of Fire is a figurative term meaning God's REFUSE DUMP!
The founder of Abel Damina Ministries and Power City International Church in Uyo insisted that the practice of water Baptism should be discarded because it does hold any significance.
In arguing his position, the Pastor made reference to John the Baptist who Baptize Jesus.
According to him the sole purpose of water Baptism was when Jesus was about to begin his ministry and he needed John to announce him to the world through baptism.
"We are making reference to John the Baptist because he is the founder and originator of water Baptism. We are
John the Baptist's purpose of baptism is to announce Jesus. John himself said i indeed Baptize you with water but the mightier than I will Baptise you with the Holy Ghost. " Dr Abel said.
He went further to explain the basic significance of water and holy ghost in baptism. He said Jesus Christ has come to replace water with holy ghost.
" Today who is baptizing you?. Is it John or Jesus? If it is Jesus, He doesn't use water, Jesus use Holy Ghost. And if it is John, he uses water. Water is symbolic of the spirit.
He went further by quoting the book of John chapter seven verse 38 where the concept of the holy spirit is explained.
"When there was no holy Ghost they used water but the moment the Holy Ghost came water expired."
Dr Abel Damina also said people should stop believing that once they are Baptized they are automatically born again.
"There are many people in church today that are not born again. What they understand born again is water Baptism. They believe since they have been baptize they are born again and that is why we have a lot of false brethren." https://ng.opera.news/ng/en/religion/amp/11992c92a6f13c44427e3362c65d0f37
A direct instruction from Jesus to His disciples Mat 28:19: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Don't forget that Jesus was baptized too!
Some people like being controversial. Yes, Baptism DOES NOT save it is an affirmation of commitment to live the rest of one's life for God (turning a new leaf).
But I think these unique animals exist in Australia because there is not one single large carnivorous animals like lions, tigers, leopard etc there.
This forms part of the reasons why the slowest sets of herbivores exist also in Australia. Although, it doesn't exist why other common animals like deers, antelopes, zebras etc are not present.
Australia is isolated from the nearest continent. In the days of Peleg when the world was divided, few animals were probably trapped their.
I remember that that's exactly how one man felt under the "odan tree" where he had his shelter.
No one could convince him that he was crazily-mad and insane. We had to let him be at least, he was happy with his smelly self and his "palace" which to the rest of us is a refuse dump.
A very simple solution: Don't beg the man, just give the woman a flat in Kaduna and N20million naira to do business. See how the husband will be begging Muslim clerics to undo his divorce.
Yeye man, he found an excuse to marry a 13 year old girl. Shio!!!
Panic buying is a big lie sold to Nigerians. It is virtually impossible for 50% of car owners to buy more than 50 litres above what fills their fuel tank
The items were not waybilled, the items are still with her.
I agree I fvcked up as I am yet to buy and I wasted her time and also stressed her out, but that was never my intention. If u read through everything I posted u would see my intention towards how it all went down.
This is very different from ur case
She seemed to have cut some of the items as per your specifications. It may be difficult for her to sell that particular item to somebody else.
You should actually compensate her. If it was a a sanner community, she would sue you to court and you will pay through your nose
The constitution clearly does NOT forbid Muslim women from putting on their hijab as long as it doesn't violate institutional rules. BUT The constitution does NOT allow hijab as it isn't mentioned anywhere in it.
trutharena: Oga in Lagos, Tinubu achieved 600% increase in IGR.
Nothing is impossible with a brilliant governor and a forward thinker.
You seem not to understand how money through IGR is generated.
Using the example of Tinubu who achieved your purported 600%, Fashola performance as Governor (in terms of infrastructural development) far surpassed that of Tinubu but was he also able to do a 600% increase in IGR?
trutharena: Ngige was sworn in May 29, 2003. That year the State generated N800m in revenue. 2004, the revenue quadrupled to N3.6bn, 2005, the previous year's revenue doubled to N7.4bn.
March 2006, he got booted out of office for operating with a stolen mandate and Peter Obi was sworn in same 2006, revenue dips by over 40% to N4bn, the attached pictures show the trajectory of the igr under Peter Obi. He left office in March 2014 leaving the IGR at N8bn (2013). 2014, IGR jumped to N10bn. The numbers for 2021are not yet out but 2020 puts the State's IGR at N28bn.
I think there is so much to unpack here. In ~3yrs, Ngige was able x9 the State's IGR, Obiano was able to do x3.5 while Peter Obi could barely move the needle. It took Peter Obi 8 YEARS to surpass what he met on ground and the difference was just a billion.
Is this the person you people are saying will perform wonders?
I need to paint a picture of Ngige's three years so we understand. Ngige got sworn in May, by June, he had fallen out with his godfathers for reneging on their agreement. July, he was abducted and forced to resign. He managed to scale through that hurdle and was back in office. The ffg year, there was some court judgement that sacked him from office. The Police withdrew his security on the advice of the AGF. For 8 months, a governor was being guarded by vigilantes and private security.
Same 2004, in November, hoodlums allegedly financed by the Uba brothers (Ngige's erstwhile godfathers) took over Anambra for three days, they burnt down govt buildings, the govt's radio stations, I think govt house was also torched, Ngige's office and I think his deputy's. This is the environment Ngige operated and was able to x9 the State's revenue. Peter didn't also have it easy, he got impeached same year he was sworn in but he was there for 8 YEARS. Got the keys to two major commercial centres (Nnewi & Onitsha) and this is his result.