₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
That was the state Tinubu met Lagos and see how it has gradually morphed into possibly the darling of all Nigerians

It took excellent vision and time to get that transformation

He should sha leave "foundation-laying" and do some building....Nigerian's are pleading.

raumdeuter:
80s 90s when Tinubu was still in US or working in Exxon mobil or you think Tinubu has been governor since 1970?

Well the reason I asked was because the way you described Lagos in the 80s and 90s was exactly how I used to hear Lagos described while Tinubu was governor, so I thought you were making reference to the late 90s to early 2000s dem.

AbokiWam:
Him go first ask you, ehh? eh? eh like three times.

ODJ: You say what? RE: Mass comm?

Mat corn?

Maths corn?

what re you doing with Corn?

Ina nei Agbadorian?

raumdeuter:
PH is even good shebi better jobs and a decent exposure, I had uncles and family friends who graduated uni some from abroad in the 70s and all went straight to Ogbomosho, Ilesha, Akure Ekiti. In the 80s you will see some expatriates(Indians mainly) working in interior Federal Unis, Federal govt colleges, local industries, plastic industries, cement industries and their wives teaching in Secondary schools. Ghanaian a lot of them even claimed Nigeria and worked as teachers some even started naturalizing to Nigeria

If you see anyone relocating to Nigeria now, Not going to Politics and thinking of anywhere beside Lagos and environs you start wondering if they are okay

Ajaokuta in the 80s and 90s used to be like a foreign land filled with expatriates and Elite Nigerians (similar to Bonny Island now) not sure of the state of Ajaokuta currently

You will reach Okigwe, Ilaro, Offa Afikpo and meet one random man who graduated from Uni in UK and relocated to village to enjoy his life. If you mention Lagos to him, he will think you are trying to kill him with stress

People viewed Lagos then as a terrible place filled with zombies, criminals with unnecessary stress. Like as you dey enter Lagos within 5mins dem don snatch your bag, you have to catch a Molue moving at high speed, everywhere vehicle horns

Today the stress has quadrupled but the state of those hinterland has worsened exponentially that you will look insane not to join the Lagos madness at least relative safety and signs of sanity, civilization and economy still dey

Hmmm...who was governor then?

raumdeuter:
The economic situations have changed significantly from what it used to be. Many of the states had a viable economy where many didnt see the need to travel to Lagos, there were many Private owned companies in the interior states where people worked and didnt have to bother with going to Lagos

It wasn't uncommon to enter one small town inside Nigeria and see people trained abroad working, small towns in Nigeria they had Rotary clubs where its mostly graduates some trained abroad who will sit there in the evening and networking

Nowadays almost everyone who has something to do in life, and not involved in politics would have moved away .

Places like Jos, Kaduna, Delta even had a significant non Nigerian population, Now everything na Lagos. That bros wey I dey learn Bini language for na him dey tell me recently, he was in Naija he dey lament how nothing dey Edo again an he was buy house for guess where? Lagos. The story is the same whether you are from Ondo, Enugu Delta

Under Tinubu was where the foundation for the good things in Lagos were laid, All those BRT, Lagos rail, Lekki Free Trade Zone, taming the Atlantic. All those were Tinubus ideas that his successors continued with

Chimaraoke said it, Tinubu was the starboy of his 1999 Governor generation, he had ideas for days while dem Chiboy Odili Mbadinuju Ibori Igbinedion, Fayose dem na how to empower thugs to dey kill opponents dey their mind

Actually someone said Tinubu has been the most impactful governor since this democracy started in 1999, We have had at least 4 different governors in all 36 states . That is at least 144 different governors

How convenient, Tinubu is always the man to lay foundation, and never the man to build...every man should be judged on his merit and not on others'. Many would argue that whatever Fashola, Ambode and Sanwo-Olu did was in-spite of Tinubu (an overbearing godfather that could boot them out at will), and not necessarily because.

Leave what politicians are saying for selfish interest and follow situation of things while they goverened. Anybody that listened to Akpabio yesterday would think Nigeria has become Singapore since Tinubu took over.

Most of what you're saying is conjecture, and I'm inclined to agree with it even, but data doesn't show that Lagos' population is growing more than the rest of the country is on average...maybe if one drills into the data you'd be proven right, but the little one we can use (population growth rate) doesn't prove you right.

raumdeuter:
In the 70s and 80s many Naija Uni graduates simply went to their home state and got jobs made a living

Nowadays if you have a friend you believe is smart, graduated and says he is going to Osun, Abia Kogi after graduation, you will simply look at him like he has no ambition in life. If you are not fleeing the country at least go Lagos.

Of your uni mates, anyone not abroad most likely is in Lagos

Lagos might have agbero, taxation but many people still get hope of making it big there. Other states na Kidnapping, gunmen, Okada riders, rundown short time hotels and dilapidated buildings full there

In terms of economic opportunities, Lagos remains number 1, and by far...can't say if that trend has changed so much from what it was several decades back really. And while people won't recommend Warri today, other cities have become viable since Warri...Asaba, Rivers, Ibadan, Abuja, Akwa-Ibom and to some extent Kaduna despite its insecurity challenges.

Can't speak on what precise migration trends are, but assuming everyone is trooping to Lagos like you're saying, insecurity across the country would be factoring in more than for simply economic and infrastructural deficit reasons. So while economic reasons would always be Number 1, but very strong motivation these days is insecurity.

Yea, the security situation didn't appear magically, and for a state of Lagos' population it's actually quite safe...Fashola and Sanwo-Olu made major strides in addressing the state's security challenges.

DeadPresidents:
True.

I’d also have recommended Warri in 1975 but I‘d be insane to do that now.

In Naija, stagnation is progress because retrogression is the norm. Lagos smells, has agberoes and extreme taxation and is still the best state in Naija all things being compared

I agree.

DeadPresidents:
Make we nor lie, Lagos compared to the rest of Naija is like a different country in terms of progress and exposure

Lagos is the only state in Naija, I recommend to foreigners who wish to visit Naija and ask my opinion.

Chances are you'd have also recommended Lagos in 1975.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]This isn't true nau [/color]

Significantly I mean, already mentioned they aren't out-performing rest of the country by much percentage-wise.

According to ChatGPT, Nigeria's population in this period grew by 167% and Lagos' grew by 175%.

Ibime:
Abuja started from a population of nearly zero so it's obvious if you have a STEM brain that low denominator equals high percentage growth. Yobe will be those fleeing Borno

Lagos is outperforming handsomely on the 20m state number and very well even on the 17m, and most importantly, a good portion of migration is by economically empowered migrants, unlike Yobe that is absorbing Borno people that don't have 2 pennies

So your STEM-powered brain doesn't tell you that a state that was one of the most populated in 1991 would maintinaing their rate of fvcking most likely have one of the highest population's in 2025? Kano that had a similar population to Lagos in 1991 experienced same average growth in that period, maybe we should go and erect a statue to worship its governors since 1999 like you're suggesting we do for Tinubu.

I've shown that on average, and percentage wise, which was your original point, Lagos isn't out-performing the rest of the country.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Yobe?

As in Yobe, Damaturu?[/color]

According to ChatGPT, and it's population increase (migration), yes, that Yobe.

Ibime:
They are outperforming handsomely and you are one of the immigrants rushing it.

The State population is estimated at 20m, the City at 17m

Put this prompt on ChatGPT and you'd see they're not outperforming like that...pretty much at par with Nigeria's average population growth.

"Can I get a comparison of population of Nigerian states in 1991 and now in 2025....include percentage increase too. Want it in table format"

The state that has been overburdened with "migration" would be Abuja, then Yobe, you've directed your administrative performance worship in the wrong direction...look to the North.

Amigoss:
Even the Lagos don dey lose its population to Ogun State boundary communities,Ibadan(Oyo) and some dey relocate back to their village because of the harsh Tinubu economy,high rent and high cost of living in Lagos

Yea, and it's a good thing, the state needs to push population outside the state, or work on a better spread. The population in Lagos is as much a burden as it is of benefit to the state, so I dunno why they keep complaining about the state's population when the guys handling the state haven't shown any real desire to push population outside the state. One would think that with their man at the centre there'd be deliberate efforts being made to push things outside Lagos, but it's looking like they're further concentrating things in the state.

I sure if Ibime express that desire to bring Lagos population down to 5M where Tinubu and e goons dey, dem fit ruff am up

Ibime:
By population growth they are outperforming and by landmass, they should have stopped growing because Lagos was full at 5m, talkless of 20m. Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria

They're simply outperforming and not performing the way you initially suggested, no be only Lagos population dey grow, and Nigeria's entire population can't be growing and Lagos would magically be insulated from that growth. Lagos is contributing its fair share, and not much more.

Amigoss:
Lmao,wdym....Peter obi would be living in Oshogbo today, First bank and oil companies HQ would be in Ede,izz.ou and friends will be clearing their goods and containers in Osun because tinubu built the biggest port in Nigeria over there,Raum will be taking straight flights from ile-ife to Dallas,Texas when he is back in naija because the best international airport in Nigeria dey there,oasis go bring Arab investors from Dubai to build high rise buildings in ilesa,migrants from east and south south seeking economic prosperity go full the state and boom the population and gdp...

All these in 8yrs of his good governance and building Osun and handling the blueprints of Osun to Aregbesola,oyetola and Jackson adeleke

Tinubu is a good tax collector, I'd always give him that, but other than tax collection o, I don't see any major administrative kini that he has shown over the years.

Nigeria's non-oil contribution to GDP would increase and I believe has increased owing to better tax collection, but the citizens aren't better off for it and that's my point. Tinubu as governor of Osun would have collected more tax from its citizens, but none of them here can say the state would have become a choice destination because of Tinubu.

Ibime:
20/5, should be simple since I've been calling 20 since

And by the way a 4x is 300% growth, not 400%, Mr STEM

Semantics it is then, but the point is Lagos isn't doing any population growth that's significantly different from Nigeria's average population growth, 2.6X and 3.3X not some crazy difference so let's die that talk of Lagos bearing Nigeria's entire population growth and migration burden.

Ibime:
What is 17.2m/5.2m

At least your STEM brain should tell you there are three 5s in 15 so there cannot be only two 5s in 17

Nigeria 229/89 is 2.6x vs Lagos 17.2/5.2 is 3.3x to be clear using official figures. I was using the oft cited 20m and I believe official figures for Lagos are untracked and underreported while Nigeria population is overinflated.



Good leadership is by maximising your competitive advantage and among all State Governors since 1999, none has grasped the concept of maximising his state advantage like Tinubu. Lagos advantage is it's international airport, it's port and it's headquartering of financial institutions. To maximise such an advantage requires clear tax and financial structures, security, business tourism and infrastructure where those financial institutions are located. He provided that and more such that there has been no bleed to Abuja like there was in the 1990s, rather Capital flight to Lagos from all corners of Nigeria and abroad. This is someone who has studied economics and financial management and enacted strategies to make his state the go to destination for capital, while your typical Nigerian Governor was setting up "structure" to include suppression, assassination squads, persecution of rivals and seizing of property to make their states unattractive to capital. If Tinubu was typical, Lagos will stay contributing 10% of GDP like it was in the 1990s, not 35% you find it now.

Using your core advantages requires foresight. Dubai and Qatar are not stupid to focus on airlines and tourism. They are strategically located exactly halfway between two trading behemoths, Europe and East Asia and their strategy is centred around people needing to break up the journey between those destinations. In some cases, planes cannot fly direct without stopping and they are a perfect stopping point, and from there they extended the packages to tourism and financial services. That is vision which none of their neighbours were able to grasp. Saudi is only trying to grasp it now. Saddam was too busy fighting with his oil wealth when Dubai were building out their strategy, same way your state Governor was deploying militants and fighting opps when Tinubu was building out.

What is your state competitive advantage and how did your Governor capitalise on it. Let's take Onitsha as a market town with Obi, or Rivers State and Delta States with their oil facilities. Did Odili cut out a portion of Rivers State for oil coys to headquarter or was he busy arming Ateke to finish his opps and adding to the insecurity that drobe them to Lagos?

You said Lagos's population has quadrupled since 1991, implying a 400% population growth, using your STEM brain only, how did you arrive at that number?

And is Lagos the only state that has enjoyed that sort of percentage growth?

Amigoss:
There is no body in Nigeria that will ever say their state is better than Lagos but because we no agree say Na Tinubu build am or made it what it is today no mean say dem dey curse the land,stop the opata yarns....some of us no be immigrants

Oba sef follow cosign am

BlueRayDick:
The article even corroborates what Elder said in his post. Elder claimed there was already infrastructures and national presence in Lagos before Tinubu's tenure .

The article says Lagos was orderly until 1990s when the town planners left for Abuja. The article further pointed out that the 1970s oil boom under the military government affected Lagos positively in the sense that major infrastructures like Eko bridge and Third mainland bridge was built while the already existing carter bridge was re-built, among others. The article only blamed the military governments between 1970s to the late 1990s for lack of planning.

The same article still blamed the current democratic government for making Lagos to remain deplorable, rowdy, unsanitary, and a city of the urban poor.

NB: No be talk all these things, na inside that same article dem write am.

Anyways ,make I sit down read the incoming revisionism that may last the whole day.

All those part no follow for e agenda, so why e go mention am?

Ibime:
Lagos population has quadrupled since FCT was moved to Abuja. Nigeria population by comparison has only 2.5x. Una dey rush am.

Lagos contributed 10% of Nigerias GDP in 1991 when FCT was moved to Abuja, today it contributes 35%. So clearly the acceleration in growth has been outside the ambit of FCT designation.

Tinubu was only the start of Government. FASH. Ambode and Sanwo are his continuum along the system he created. When Tinubu was building an economy, your principal was buying share in beer factory that's why Anambrarians are running to Lagos today.

There is no comparison in performance. Lagos stands alone as the only State that can function independently and is a net contributor to Federal Government coffers, one of the reasons all your useless State Governors were mad at VAT remittance changes recently.

In 1980s and 1990s, the whole of Lekki was swamp, today they built it out so you can bring money from your useless states to come and live and grow their economy. In 1990s we used to fear going to Lagos but had to out of necessity as it was the only Southern Airport that flew out of Nigeria. They always warn us then to go straight to airport to avoid agberos that Lagos is teeming with agberos. When we arrive Lagos, we dare not even go buy Suya without being accosted. All those agberos were turned into productive citizens in a tax collection system while states with much fewer agberos in the 1990s saw their bad boys turn into militants, kidnappers and bandits. That is vision.

According to Wikipedia, Lagos' population in 1991 was 5.2M persons, and in 2025 it is 17.2M persons, that's like 2.3X population growth and not the 4X you allege...Lagos' population is not growing any more than Nigeria's average population, and I'd harangue a guess that there'd be at least 10 states that have since 1991 experienced a larger percentage growth in population than Lagos.

My point remains, how was Lagos pre-Tinubu, and how was Lagos at the end of Tinubu's tenure, leave how other governors performed and critique Tinubu on his role as administrator while he governed.

Lagos was independently administered by the Colonial masters before almagamation, which implies that way before Tinubu, it's a region that could have managed its affairs independently.

If Tinubu was governor of Osun State, and not Lagos, can you beat your chest and say Osun state would have today become a destination of choice in Nigeria? Big cities are big cities and they'd always be choice destinations...the governors of New York and California would always execute the biggest projects, doesn't necessarily mean they're pound-for-pound the best administrators.

Tinubu is president of Nigeria today, how has he fared?

Ibime:
Why are you there?

For 20m in that small space, they are trying.

Most importantly, they have built a sustainable economy and revenue streams that can feed one million people well. The ambition to be part of that 1 million is why the other 19 million people are there. They come from States that can only feed 50,000 people well.

Excuses. People were migrating to Lagos before Tinubu even thought to take night bus there.

I simply stated that since 1999, Tinubu is arguably the worst governor in Lagos' history, and he ran the worst version of the city and did so right till the end of his tenure.

Ibime:
Anyone who went to Lagos in the 1990s will poopoo on this theory. Obidients should stop this.

https://www.theafricareport.com/17906/lagos-was-an-orderly-city-until-1991-then-city-planners-left-for-abuja/

Was Lagos an orderly city during Tinubu's tenure?

semid4lyfe:
Call it whatever you like and continue gaslighting, na you get your mouth and your fingers.

For me, Tinubu vs Atiku is a choice of the lesser evil........and the clear choice is Tinubu

There's nothing that proves that Tinubu is a lesser evil than Atiku sha. They're both desperate for power, and both very corrupt.

In terms of administration and outlook to governance, I'd say they're pretty much same, and maybe Atiku edges him a bit on transparency the guy seems to have some modicum of dignity or pride, while BAT is completely shameless and brazen.

Of Lagos governors since 1999, you can even argue that BAT has been the worst of the lot.

Segedinho:
The Baskard government don increase CNG from #230 to #380 after people don run convert their cars inspite of the daily queue dem Dey face


Tufiakwa for this country

The game is the game

raumdeuter:
Which category me fall into cos I have never been neutral

Lol, you na staunch na, it was"neutrals" I referred to.

BlueRayDick:
Are u sure u didn't off cloth to defend him, only to find Ur voice when he left the seat? 🤭

A lot of them are either Buharists or Agbadoists, they now pretend to be ""neutral" cause how much havoc their principals have wrecked.

Fadedvoiced:
@blueraydick
If I sue you to court, can you prove I am elder0001?

BlueRayDick:
If anybody wants to gaslight people into voting Atiku, it should not be someone who pronounced with his own mouth he will be voting him for selfish reasons.

Atiku dollars don favor Elder over the years sha

raumdeuter:
Something tells me that Theflint1 will vote Atiku/Obi if it comes to it in 2027

An 81-year old Atiku is going to Aso Rock to recover all the monies he's lost over the years, even with Obi running beside him, it's a tough sell. If I'm convinced it'd be more of the same, fit just sidown house Election day.

Atiku is closer to where he's going to than where he's coming from; politicians know this, and they'd make calculations having that in mind, looking to make bets that guarantee the present (Tinubu), or the present/future (Obi). It doesn't help Atiku that he's faced with a vicious foe in the person of Tinubu who's determined to strip him of his political structure...for a politician that's relied primarily on structure and not personal charisma to navigate the political scence, that's a huge blow.

Atiku and his fans have the odds stacked against them, and they'd do well to come into any negotiation from a place of humility and not arrogance. Guilt-tripping won't work either, the time for that was 2023 and Peter Obi's votes (INEC released) show he ain't Atiku's little nigga no more ...people are ready and will take their chance with Obi alone going into 2027.

I think any ticket with Atiku at the top going into 2027 is not going to fly, but 24 months is a long time in politics, let's watch and see how it goes.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You seem to be flogging this matter more than the contestants

Atiku and Obi have confirmed there's a coalition. Why not wait to see if they would stick together or not?

After all, it was Atiku that ditched Obi for Okowa in 2023. Maybe he didn't also know the power a VP has.

Relax. Make dem draw lineup first.[/color]

TemporaryHansel:
Because people like you misled obi to believe he is too big to be VP. Unfortunately, with people like you supporting obi, Tinubu will remain in that seat till 2050.

The only way Tinubu can be booted from that seat is for Atiku and Obi to collabo.

If you truly love Atiku you'd tell him to keep what's left of his Dollars.

It's just too late for Atiku, he's fought a good fight and his political career would be remembered fondly by a lot of us, especially for being a progressive and moderate Northern politician.