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plaetton: Does god exist withing the universe that he created , or does he sit outside the universe?

In what sense does God exist? That I think is the fundamental question that needs to be answered before making sense of the topic.

Does he exist in the way fictional characters like Lord Voldemort exist? Or does he exist as a metaphor in the way Einstein viewed him? Or like the metaphor of death as the Grim Reaper? Or does he exist as an abstract object like judgement? Or by definition like numbers? Or does he exist like ordinary humans within the universe? Or in some other way that needs to be clarified before continuing the discussion?

In what way does he exist at all before we say he is within or outside the universe?

obadiah777: i aint finna cast no pearls before swines now

What you have aren't pearls, they're swine muck. The fact that you think they're pearls is your problem.

cerebral assain: dnt u biliv wateva iz in ur kuran or wateva u rid also

I don't believe that everything I read is factual and non-fiction.

philfearon: Oh yeah,all your statements are full of Ignorance!! You are Worldly,thats why you Think Worldly!
Ignorants like You believe everything they see on Google(updated by humans),yet you Find it hard to believe Word Of God or That God exist!!
You were carried for 9months in your mums tummy..You enter the World(you dont even how it was made)..You grow up..You go out,you come in..You eat,you sleep..You go to toilet,You browse,you download,and you walk around..You read whatever you see,And you do whatever pleases you...And You Think Everything is well with you!!
Satan rejoice over You because,you have made his work Easier..You already is his,and so he doesnt bother about you anymore,he has cuffed you,and blind you....
But,GOD is a merciful God,he still wants you to be Saved,as there is still time....Many Greatmen have taken your Path,and they Saw that They Were Wrong at their Death Bed...
As you are,you are not even up to SIGMUND FREUD,both in perception of the World and formulating of Theories That seem right to the Eye,and pleasing to the ears and heart,and that doesnt please God:infact he has books all over the world,speaking Profane things....But,Go and Read and See What Happened in his last few minutes before His Death...
Repent while there is time,REMEMBER,NO REPENTENCE IN THE GRAVE!!.......
"A fool says in his heart;There is no God"...

Well with this rambling and poorly thought out response I have little to add to your ignorant display.
Good luck to you in your pursuit of ignorance.

obadiah777: jonah is israel
the sea is the world population
nineveh is the gentiles
the sailors are the leaders of the gentile nations

And the big fish? Let's not forget the big fish and the three days. After that, we can reconstruct the story to see how much sense it makes.

peppy luv: Mr Imam use ur real name and stop fooling around.
Ur quran is notin but lies and crap!

What makes you think that I'm an Imam? Why don't you use your own real name?

obadiah777: jonah may have been a midget though ? like aki and pawpaw

JK of course. story is purely allegorical

Did the writers believe it was allegorical? If so, what did they think Jonah, the boat, the sea, Nineveh and the sailors represented?

hayubee: A whale is a mammal and not a fish! Me thinks its a shark cos datz the biggest fish!

Do you think an adult male can live in a shark for three days?

Its alphaa: how big do u think the biggest fishes in the world are

Not big enough for a man to live in them for three days.

[quote author=SIR KOL!]my dear, the power of God is beyond human comprehension so wat u r saying is out of place!! I guess if u have heard dat a powerful Juju man from Benin did such u would hv belvd without doubt[/quote]No I won't have believed it.

tosnat: You will understand... everyone will eventually..

Do you understand? If you do, please explain how a man can live in a fish for three days.

smart134: i pity U..u need God in ur Life

I pity you. You need skepticism in your life.

smart134: the bible was written by God himself tru Men! Be wise

Then I'm sorry for such a God who didn't know the shape of the earth he created. I'm also sorry that he couldn't have done a better job.

philfearon: Its very clear you dont believe in God...Allow those that believe in Him be...Stop disgracing your ignorance in Public...

Have I stopped you from posting or anything? Why don't you allow those that don't believe in this God of yours be?
I'm ignorant for questioning whether a man can live in a fish for three days? Please stop exposing your gullibility to the public.

micoco: mehn....i pity u so much. Sounding so intelligent to urself, forming bad guy, kai! I pity u bro

I pity you so much. Sounding dull and actually being ignorant. I pity you bro.

tosnat: Cant go through the stress of quoting all stupid posts.... oh faithless and perverse generation..

God created the science your are studying..
He created you..
He gave you wisdom and an ability to think..
He gave you freewill..
Let's not rebel against HIM...
HE is supreme over all..
Thats why HE IS GOD..
thats y you can't understand HIM..
HE hasn't mandated you to understand HIS works anyway..
ALL you MUST do is believe HIM...

HE cares..

Well you quoted me so . . . .

I hope you watched that clip to understand just how mysterious this God of yours is.

No your God didn't create science neither did he create me. He didn't give me anything so why should I bother believing him?

Image123: Read and point out where the Bible STATES God's purpose for creating man.

Please explain to me how commanding the killing of children and infants is good.

Image123: Any proof? He says He does, and i am convinced He does. you do not even own yourself. You don't get to decide when you were born or where. You do not know when you will die. Only God knows, stop living in denial.

What convinced you that he does? If it is someone simply saying that they do, then I own humanity. So do Brahma and Allah. Stop living in denial and believe what I've said.

Image123: Oh, but you often imply at convenience that God is no different from your favorite cartoon and film/novel characters. Now, you realise that He has much effect on your life. Same way you will say the Bible is no different from any book, until you will later say it has much effect on your life. You need Christ the solid Rock, you are oscillating dangerously. You can't defend what Ingersoll lied that was in the Bible, now you want to further detract into talk about geography. The phrase 'lost soul' finds deep meaning in you.
Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

He is no more real than any of those characters. Another reason why you need to learn to carefully consider what has been said.
What shall it profit a man to kill his children in God's name and lose his own soul? - thehomer 2013

Image123: hehehehehehe. You simply stated As I said, you'll believe anything. Check 7:06pm September 24.

As I said, you'll believe anything as long as it was written in the Bible. - thehomer 2013

Image123: Another vain supposition and assumption. Why are your premises suppostions? Have you ever assumed/supposed that you may be wrong, and that you may end up punished by God? THIS THREAD might help you a little better.
Start a little bit earlier. Adam was at fault, not God. Adam failed, not God. Adam was built to pass, but he failed. God came to rescue as much as He can get from Adam, instead of condemning the whole of Adam's race. He came in Adam's race, as Jesus, and He passed. Jesus overcame, and gives power to humans to overcome like Him. If there was only one soul left on earth, Jesus would still have come to save it. To God, one soul is more precious than the whole earth. To Him, there is no profit in gaining the whole world and losing a soul. God would rather have a small percentage saved than no percentage saved(this is what seems like happening from projections). However, God has made enough provisions that can save the greater percentage. God's creation has not failed, only man failed. The universe is a success story, the angels are a success story, heaven is a success story, many men are success stories for God. you do not have to be a failure.
i do not need virgins. i have more nirvana than Brahma and you could possible offer.

Have you ever supposed that the Bible contains wrong information? Another example of why you need to learn how to consider what has been said. If you're unable to consider abstractions, then you'll find it hard to read and understand Ingersoll. All he is saying is asking you why you should believe something simply because someone told it to you. Especially when what was said makes no sense.

Image123: you do need some originality. You are too lazy or dumbfounded to answer that is why you mimic me, to see the answers i will give to my own posts if asked. You are learning but not coming to the knowledge of truth. You are incomplete without Jesus. You can never have peace without Him since you heard of Him, and so it will be till you're dead. That's how He(Jesus) made all of us bruv. We are complete in Him(Colossians 2v10).
Try not to think about Jesus for a year if you won't fall sick.

Aww. Are you seeing the absurdity of your position. It looks like you're too lazy or dumbfounded to think clearly. You are incomplete without Brahma or Allah. You can never replace him since you've heard of him.
Try not to think about Allah for a year and see if you won't fall sick.

Image123: You are literate. here is what i said again, re-read instead of asking what i am saying.
Termination is the same thing as killing. They are humans, they are living things. The play of words does not change the action. Abortion is killing and millions of pregnancies are aborted annually, and you support it.

Yes, you support abortion, and abortion is the killing of millions of babies annually.

You aren't dense. here is what I said again, carefully read through what I've said and see the absurdity of your position.
Are you saying humans cannot be killed for any reason? Or that living things cannot be killed for any reason? I've told you what I support so your wailing here doesn't add anything.

Image123: The goodness or otherwise of the God of the Bible is found where? the Bible contains NO wrong judgement or information. i see another ploy to detract issues. You can only run, you cannot hide. Stop running like the devil is chasing you, stay on point. Or maybe he is?
Why did you initially state that i hate atheists? Don't tell me that was yet another assumption.

His evil is seen in the actions he recommended according the Bible. If the Bible contains no wrong judgement or information, then why don't you support slavery? Or kill witches? Stop crying as if the devil is whipping you. Try to address the substance of what I say.
I said that because your God hates atheists. If you're now better than your God, then simply say so.

Image123: thankfully, my God exists, so my meekness and gentleness in Him are eternal. You lack meekness, if you were meek, you would not even be arguing, duh. My meekness is in God, i submit to Him fully. As for your gentleness, its hard to tell. i could tell in a day if i lived with you though.

Thankfully the only God that exists is Brahma and you're not meek. If you were, you won't even be arguing. I don't need a God for any of my characteristics.

Image123: Wrong thoughts.
Ingersoll and his ignorant soliloquy.

I know you find his plain language difficult but that is your problem not his.

Image123: Temperance and other godly and moral qualities are best described in moral books like the Bible. That is where dictionary writers form meanings.
temperance is a fruit of the Holy Ghost, you do not have it.

You are deeply mistaken with respect to lexicography if you think the Bible is the source of dictionary meanings.
Temperance is not a fruit of the Holy Ghost. You do not have it.

Image123: i never asked you what a scrafadoo is/was. Are you drunk? Have you ever lived in a rural area? i'm guessing no, else you'll not be asking me what a spirit is. i might be surprised though. Do you know what a conscience is? If you have lived in a rural area, you will not be ignorant of the reality/possibility of spirits.

You are ignorant and drunk. Have you ever lived underground? I'm guessing no else you'll know what a scrafadoo is. I might be surprised thought. Do you know what intellect is? if you have lived underground, you will not be ignorant of the reality/possibility of scrafadoos.

Image123: i was a sinner too, then i heard that Jesus came for me, and i followed Him. i have nirvana, Allah has nothing to offer me that i do not already have.

No you don't have Nirvana. The only way to Nirvana is through Brahma so if you have Nirvana or will get, then you're following Brahma (who is even more powerful than your God). Allah has several virgins. Do you have several virgins?

Image123: you are only showing that you drummed up your assumptions from thin air. i showed you irrefutable purposes of God creating humans. You are busy with maybes and perhaps, get serious at understanding.

You're the one presenting fantasies as true. I also showed you irrefutable reasons why your God created humans. You are busy getting confused. Try to avoid ignorance by learning.

Image123: God never told the Jews to crucify or kill anybody that disagreed with them on religion, please get your facts right. You are free to quote those facts BTW.
Yet another supposition from Ingersoll. Has he no fact or confidence?

You do realize that what Jesus taught was different from what the Jews believe.

NIV: 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

This is why I say you should read your own Bible. If you're this ignorant about your Bible, what makes you think you can speak for God?

Image123: Actually, the analogy is about you, not God. you are like the politician who stole 42million naira. you support the annual killing of 42 million babies that are not yours.

While you and your God are like people who steal more than 500 trillion naira.

Image123: Have you attained Nirvana? i have attained more than Nirvana. i see you're reading up on Brahma.

You cannot attain Nirvana without Brahma so I guess you're finally considering Brahma.

Image123: Of course bacteria are living things, do you accuse people of murder or genocide for killing bacteria? Don't you know that the Amalekites are living things? Don't you know that aborted babies are living things? You have NO ISSUES with millions of women choosing to kill babies.

Another reason why you need to learn to use language appropriately. If you simply wanted to talk about people, then you should limit your talk to people rather than talking about the larger class of living things.

Image123: There was no man that did all these things you spoke of in Jerusalem. You do not understand that? How can you? You were caught wrong yet again. God is good.

This is just gross ignorance. According to your own Bible, Jesus was the person who healed the blind, the leper and raised people from the dead. As I've said, your difficulties seem to lie with communicating using the language.

Image123: There is absolutely no need for hyperventilation. Simply tell us God's purposes for creating man, instead of maybes and appears to bes. Read and point out where the Bible STATES God's purpose for creating man.

God's purpose for creating man is to send him to hell.

Image123: 'God cannot be accused of theft or murder or genocide if He decides to slaughter all of humanity because they belong to Him'. The point is found on you, check again.

God can be accused of theft, murder, genocide and rape because he doesn't own humanity.

Image123: God's purposes are shown in the Bible. It is absurd to leave the seen and begin to make baseless assumptions. There you go hoping to distract the issues again. Do you ask annual questions about Voltron or Winnie the pooh? i see you are searching for something, may you find it.
Where did Ingersol draw out the part you bolded? Definitely from his head or something, not from the Bible. So you think God made a mistake to spare any man, yet you complain if He kills any, you seem not to understand yourself. God sent the whole of Israel to Egypt, is Ingersoll that ignorant, this is common primary school Bible knowledge. Stop feeding on such ignorance please. You quoted Ingersoll as stating that God had NO time for Egypt. Yet, basic bible knowledge shows that God's people were in Egypt for centuries.

Do Voltron and Winnie the Pooh have as much effect on your life as this God?
At least Ingersoll had a good head on his shoulders. The same cannot really be said about a supposedly omniscient entity who didn't know what the world he created looked like.
You should read some archaeology and actually read what Ingersoll wrote. The fact that the Bible said that doesn't mean it happened. Read the calculations on the number of people that were supposed to have been wandering through the desert and try to think about whether or not it was possible. But as I said, you'll believe anything as long as it is written in the Bible.

Image123: Thought you said i will believe anything, or were you trying to make no sense?

No, I said you'll believe anything that was written in the Bible. Learn to read things in context. This is where I first said it and repeated what I meant in this thread.

Image123: 1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
If majority is not saved, it is because majority did not believe God, not because God made up His mind to damn the most of us. You have been misinformed. We are all created in God's image(with free will-ability to choose). It's your choice, and God is not going to force most of us to live with Him forever. He has taken the pains to show us how bad the alternative is too.
i do not believe other gods because they do not have anything worthwhile to offer me. They do not make the claims that my God makes and i am satisfied with my God.

Suppose when I read it, the revelation to me, through the bible, is that it is not true, and God knew that I would know that when I did read it, and knew, if I did not say it, I would be dishonest. Is it possible that He would damn me for being honest, and give me wings if I would play the hypocrite? - Some Reasons Why by Robert Ingersoll

God knew that the majority won't believe in him and decided that he will damn all those that didn't believe in him. How then can you say his purpose wasn't to damn humans? Allah has virgins to offer you, Brahma has Nirvana to offer you. You really should consider those Gods before trying to discount them.

Image123: , don't be ridiculous. i've never felt incomplete outside Jesus, not to mention confirming Brahma. If Brahma exists, good luck to Brahma, there is no need for me to confirm the existence. You need some originality BTW, instead of mimic and quoting of others like you or even lower than you.

I've never felt incomplete without Jesus. If your God exists, good luck to him. I'm simply using your words to show you the ridiculousness of your position. You've seen the emptiness of your position but you seem to struggle when it made bare.

Image123: Termination is the same thing as killing. They are humans, they are living things. The play of words does not change the action. Abortion is killing and millions of pregnancies are aborted annually, and you support it.

Are you saying humans cannot be killed for any reason? Or that living things cannot be killed for any reason? I've told you what I support so your wailing here doesn't add anything.

Image123: i did not quote the Bible to detract issues. the Bible is the Subject in question. The OP is all about it, is it not? God exists and He loves you. i do not hate atheists, i told you earlier and i repeat it, I LOVE YOU.

No, the goodness of the God of the Bible is the subject not the Bible since the Bible as you know contains wrong judgements and wrong information. And I love you too - no homo.

Image123: Mimic again, try some originality. Are you using style to learn from me, don't be shy bruv. Outside of God, i have nothing, did i ever tell you that?

Then by all means, accept that your gentleness and meekness are superficial. Mine is actually deeper than yours since whether or not your God exists, my own characteristics remain the same.

Image123: i invited Him into me, and He now lives in me. Unfortunately, i might lose you here, sorry.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

You're not losing me at all. I just thought that inviting men into you under Christianity was an iffy proposition.

Ah, but they tell me "You have no right to pick the bad things out of the bible." I say, an infinite God has no right to put bad things into His bible. Does anybody believe if God was going to write a book now He would uphold slavery; that He would favor polygamy; that He would say kill the heathen, stab the women, dash out the brains of the children? We have civilized him. We make our own God, and we make Him better day by day. - Some Reasons Why - Robert Ingersoll

Image123: i saw temperance in my Bible. You claimed to see evil in the Bible, did you use the Bible as a dictionary to see evil there?

No, I saw actual evil in the Bible like God commanding people to go out and kill everyone in a city including children and infants. You were asking for the meaning of a word. Anyone who knows anything about learning a language should know to look in a dictionary for the meaning of words.

Image123: Why the question, i did not talk about seeing ghosts, did i? A spirit is a being that is invisible to the human eyes. Do you know that you have a spirit? It is the other man inside you. If you know what a conscience is, it is close to what your spirit is. Have you ever lived in a rural area? i'm guessing no, else you'll not be asking me what a spirit is. i might be surprised though.

Do you know what a scrafadoo is? If you know what intellect is, then you should know what a scrafadoo is. It is close to what your intellect is. Have you ever lived underground? I'm guessing no, else you'll not be asking me what a scrafadoo is. I might be surprised though.

Image123: But it is the truth, There is no true pastor or prophet that keeps suffering in sin. You can show me one so that we settle it. Of course Jesus came for sinners like you and me. i was a sinner too, then i heard that Jesus came for me, and i followed Him. We are waiting for you too.

So are you saying that you do not commit anymore sins? Though Brahma is waiting to lead you to Nirvana. Try following him. If you think he is too strange, then you can try Allah. Muslims are waiting for you.

Image123: Show us your own assumptions in the Bible na. i have shown you where the Bible states why humans were created, you say na assumption, on no premise for that matter. The only logical way is to discuss what is clearly stated, instead of drumming up our fancies.
1Co 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

And I've shown you why the Bible is wrong in several ways. You're the one refusing to discuss the implications of the words in the Bible.

Do not be hasty, that is my motto. - (Treebeard) - The Two Towers

Image123: God never told the Jews to crucify or kill anybody that disagreed with them on religion, please get your facts right. You are free to quote those facts BTW. The coloured text above is yet another distraction and was nevr part of the issues being discussed. It's okay to politely and HUMBLY ask questions, instead of detracting issues. i have shown you from the Word of God, the purposes why God made man without guessing and assuming. It is only honorable that you accept being shown, and perhaps you show us clearly if there are more purposes, instead ofyour initial altruist wish.
Psa 19:1 How clearly the sky reveals God's glory! How plainly it shows what he has done!
Psa 19:2 Each day announces it to the following day; each night repeats it to the next.
Psa 19:3 No speech or words are used, no sound is heard;
Psa 19:4 yet their message goes out to all the world and is heard to the ends of the earth. God made a home in the sky for the sun;
Heb 1:1 In times past the word of God came to our fathers through the prophets, in different parts and in different ways;
Heb 1:2 But now, at the end of these days, it has come to us through his Son, to whom he has given all things for a heritage, and through whom he made the order of the generations;

You shouldn't be so ignorant of the Bible. Are you saying you don't know of the passage that recommends people to kill members of their family if they say they want to worship some other God?

Suppose the devil had inspired a book. In what respect would he have differed from God on the subject of slavery, polygamy, wars of extermination, and religious persecution? Suppose we knew that after God had finished his book the devil had gotten possession of it, and written a few passages to suit himself. Which passages, O Christian, would you pick out now as having probably been written by the devil? Which of these two, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," or "Kill all the males among the little ones, and kill every man, but all the women and girls keep alive for yourselves"—which of those two passages would they select as having been written by the devil? - Some Reasons Why by Robert Ingersoll

Image123: It is immoral, insane and inconsistent for someone who has no issues with over 40million babies that are lost annually to abortion to have an issue with 42 lost. i have issues with miscarriages, don't you? But i do not hold any human guilty as it is involuntary. Abortion is mainly voluntary, you do not have issues with it but you are in full support. Its called hypocrisy.
What do you think of a politician that has stolen 42million naira, who is insisting that a person be punished for allegedly stealing 50 naira?

To continue with your analogy, your God hasn't stolen 50 naira, he has stolen more than 500 trillion naira.

Image123: You are simply repeating now like a robot. WHY should i try Brahma again?

So you can attain Nirvana.

Image123: There was no harping on and on about living things. i simply stated that the child in the womb was/is a living thing. They are humans. Bacteria is not human, is it? Bacteria don't come out of the womb after about 9months, do they? You have no issues if a child is killed in the womb, but you have issues if it is killed outside the womb, its plain ridiculous.

But bacteria are living things aren't they? I have no issues with a woman making her own choices as I've already explained to Mr anony. You can read my responses to him on this issue here.

Image123: Yet another flawed rendering of events. There was no man that did all these things you speak of in Jerusalem. If the first line is contorted, what should we say for the other lines?
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
God, who created and knows all men, more than a manufacturer knows his product, has already told us that if people are not persuaded by the Bible, neither will they be truly persuaded by talks from the dead. It is evident today, there are many 'testimonies from the dead', even here on NL. Have you believed them, have you taken the pains or efforts to go ask them all these questions you dream of asking? You see, God loves you still despite all your shenanigans. All you need to do is love Him back. Take the leap of faith. We that have taken it, we are encouraging you to also do it. There is nothing important to lose. i am sure you have folks that you respect, and even relatives that believe in God. Their belief in God has not stopped them from great achievement and desires. Infact, most will say that their belief in God has enhanced their great achievement and desires. Only believe.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

This is why I say you need to resolve some issues you seem to be having with the language and carrying out a conversation because you keep stumbling all over yourself here.

Emusan: A Cninese woman survive miraculously when a big container fell on her car.......To everybody there, anyone inside the car must surely die.

Note: She didn't prepare for it

The thread is still on FP with many pics as evident, How can you explain this?

I know you people always run away from such type of thread

Very soon the whole Bible Itself will soon turn to Allegory by some Body....just wait and see.

Shalom!

Are you crediting God with that? Or does the container represent something else?

benbuks: Evolution is balderdash

What do you think the theory of evolution is about?

Image123: You are still assuming things. The Bible clearly states God's purposes for creating man, there is no need for careless and unsubstantiated assumptions. In the Bible, we have God healing people left and right, and having mercy left and right, and working miracles left and right. You are literate enough to read and point out where the Bible STATES God's purpose for creating man. If you are either too lazy or ignorant, you should ask, instead of giving us maybes and appear to bes.

The Bible clearly states that God was killing people left and right. I'm also literate enough to tell when the Bible is wrong because those who wrote it know nothing about ethics and morality. They and their God thought slavery was fine. You on the other hand are clearly lazy and ignorant. That is why you're unable to accept what stares you in the face.

Image123: Your disagreement reveals your unseriousness as that point reveals the context in which God has all right, moral or logical or otherwise, to wipe off all human life. i see that you understand the implications of 'Mr G cannot be accused of theft or murder or genocide if he decides to slaughter all the 6000 livestock(goats) that belong to him'.

I'm sorry but are you a goat? If you think you should be treated as a goat such that you can be killed with impunity, please say so.

Image123: We know what God's purposes are, no point for what ifs and crass assumptions. God made humans for dominion, fruitfulness, holiness, praise and victory. All these purposes are clearly stated in God's Word.
You dodged this- do you ask annual questions about Voltron or Winnie the pooh? i see you are searching for something, may you find it.
Is that Ingersoll the agnostic? Eeya, i thought you were an atheist, agnostics believe there is a God and they hate Him. Like Ingerboy hated God because his father was 'wrongfully' kicked out of the church he pastored. Where did Ingerboy draw out the part you bolded? Definitely from his head or something, not from the Bible. So you think God made a mistake to spare any man, yet you complain if He kills any, you seem not to understand yourself. God sent the whole of Israel to Egypt, is Ingersoll that ignorant, this is common primary school Bible knowledge. Stop feeding on such ignorance please.

No you don't know what your God's purposes are. After all, you said he would be right to treat you like a goat and kill you. If a goat doesn't know what your purposes are, what makes you think you know what God's purposes are? God has deliberately deceived people so he may just be deceiving you by fattening you for his galactic slaughterhouse.
I see Ingersoll really bothers you. You should try actually reading some of his works.

Image123: how come i do not believe you or your friend Brahma? Do you know what you are saying at all?

You don't believe me because I didn't write some of those things in the Bible. It is for the same reason you reject Brahma. But, you're unable to see your own inconsistencies.

Image123: Read for yourself, here is what Inger tried to read.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
God made it so easy that nobody has to do anything special to be regenerated i.e become His own. All you need to do is believe, ONLY believe.

As usual, Ingersoll was right. According to that same Bible, most of us are going to hell. This is why I say your problem is with comprehending and using language.
Since believing is so easy and comes naturally to you, why don't you believe in the Muslim Allah? Or Brahma?

And why does this same God tell me how to raise my children when he had to drown his? - Robert G. Ingersoll (Some Mistakes of Moses)

Image123: Good you have not. Try not to in future, its the atheist way. Of course you feel empty and incomplete without God. No matter what you achieve in life, you will always come back to confirm if God exists. Its not a curse, its the way you were made by Him. i pray to God but i do not ask for all sort of ridiculous things. Prayer is communication with God, you should do it, it will improve your bp.

You feel empty and incomplete without Brahma. No matter what you achieve in life, you'll always come back to confirm if Brahma exists.

Image123: You support abortion. Abortion is the annual killing of millions of babies in their mother's womb.

No it isn't.

Image123: To endure is to tolerate and put up to. If you refer to your posts as mental discomfort, i think i've put up to it thus far, 16 pages or so. i've tolerated your unwillingness to learn.You have been trying to detract issues by quoting Lord of the rings and Brahma, and refusing to see relevance. You cannot bear the thought of God existing and you hate the faith it seems.

If you're can present quotes from books, I too can present quotes from books.
You cannot bear the thought of God not existing so you hate atheists.

Image123: The only thing you can confidently lay claims to in my little list of things that you are missing without God. Even your gentleness can be said to be superficial as it does not come from God.you are likely to lose it is shaken or exposed to other conditions.

Your gentleness can be said to be superficial since you say it comes from God. You're likely to lose it if your belief in God is shaken or if you're exposed to other conditions.

Image123: Jesus is in me, and i am meek to Him. You are not you know that.

What? Are you now a chimera? Or are you performing some interesting acts? I thought Jesus was a person and male. How is he in you?

Image123: i checked my Bible. you do not have it(temperance).

Do you use your Bible as a dictionary? No wonder you're finding some difficulty with language.

Image123: He is a Ghost, duh. God is a Spirit.

Do you believe that people see ghosts? Well what is a spirit? Because as far as I'm concerned you've not made more sense than saying God is a Scrafadoo.

Image123: i do not only think it, i know that believing in Jesus free you. i have experienced it that is why. Also, God's Word says it. There is no true pastor or prophet that keeps suffering in sin. Sinners keep suffering in sin, sinners like you. But Jesus came to save you from sin. He did it for me, He can do it for you.

"no true pastor or prophet" that is a classic example of the No true Scotsman fallacy. Jesus himself said he came for the sinners so all you're doing is promoting your pride.

Image123: It is no assumption, they are there.
Dominion and fruitfulness- Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Praise- Isa 43:21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall show forth my praise.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Holiness and victory- Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Luk 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
Luk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

It is all an assumption. If your God is willing to deceive people, what makes you think he hasn't deceived you?

Did it ever occur to you that if God wrote the old testament, and told the Jews to crucify or kill anybody that disagreed with them on religion, and that God afterward took upon Himself flesh and came to Jerusalem, and taught a different religion, and the Jews killed Him—did it ever occur to you that He reaped exactly what he had sown? Did it ever occur to you that He fell a victim to His own tyranny, and was destroyed by His own law! Of course I do not believe that any God ever was the author of the bible, or that any God was ever crucified, or that any God was ever killed or ever will be, but I want to ask you that question.

I say that at that time Matthew, Mark and Luke believed that He was the son of Joseph and Mary. And why? They say He descended from the blood of David, and in order to show that He was of the blood of David they gave the genealogy of Joseph. And if Joseph was not his father, why not give the genealogy of Pontius Pilate or Herod? Could they, by giving the genealogy of Joseph, show that He was of the blood of David if Joseph was in no way related to David; and yet that is the position into which the Christian world is now driven. It says the son of Joseph, and then interpolated the words "as was supposed." Why, then, do they give a supposed genealogy. It will not do. And that is a thing that cannot in any way, by any human testimony, be established; and if it is important for us to know that He was the Son of God, I say then that it devolves upon God to give us evidence. Let Him write it across the face of the heavens, in every language of mankind. If it is necessary for us to believe it, let it grow on every leaf next year. No man should be damned for not believing unless the evidence is overwhelming. And he ought not to be made to depend upon say-so. He should have it directly for himself. A man says God told him so and so, and he tells me, and I haven't anyone's word but that fellow's. He may have been deceived. If God has a message for me He ought to tell it to me, and not somebody that has been dead 4,000 or 5,000 years, and in another language; God may have changed His mind on many things; He has on slavery at least, and polygamy; and yet His church now wants to go out here and destroy polygamy in Utah with a sword. Why don't they send missionaries there with copies of the old testament? By reading the lives of Abraham, and Isaac, and Lot, and a few other fellows that ought to have been in the penitentiary, they can soften their hearts.

Image123: You should not have a problem with the killing of 42 people as you have no issues with over 40million babies that are lost annually to abortion.

But I do have a problem with the killing of 42 children. Do you have issues with the millions lost through miscarriages?

Image123: When you accept Brahma and we see the advantage, you can talk.

Why don't you try Brahma first before rejecting him?

Image123: Are you comparing abortion of babies to bacteria? And you said you are free from sin? Someone who condones and supports the killing/termination of more than 40 million babies annually through abortion has no right to complain about God. You are actuall equating bacteria in intestine to human beings in the womb, like i told you, you have a suppressed conscience.

This is another reason why I say you're having problems with the language. You were the one harping on and on about living things. Bacteria are living things aren't they?

Image123: 1Th 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
1Pe 2:17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

You need to start reading, a reader makes a leader. Read quality and reality, not junk from the sources you have being quoting. you have faith, every human being does. Faith is belief, you believe there is no God, that is a clear waste of faith.

Here is a man that comes into Jerusalem, and the first thing he does he cures the blind. He lets the light of day visit the darkness of blindness. The eyes are opened and the whole world is again pictured upon the brain. Another man is clothed with leprosy. He touches him, and the disease falls from him, and he stands pure, and clean, and whole. Another man is deformed, wrinkled, bent. He touches him and throws upon him again the garment of youth. A man is in his grave, and He says, "Come forth!" and he again walks in life, feeling his heart throb and beat, and his blood going joyously through his veins. They say that happened. I don't know. There is one wonderful thing about the dead people that were raised—we don't hear of them any more. What became of them? Why, if there was a man in this town that had been raised from the dead, I would go to see him tonight. I would say, "Where were you when you got the notice to come back? What kind of country is it? What kind of opening there for a young man? How did you like it?" But nobody ever paid the slightest attention to them there. They didn't even excite interest when they died the second time. Nobody said, "Why, that man isn't afraid. He has been there." Not a word. They pass away quietly. You see I don't believe it. There is something wrong somewhere about that business. And then there is another trouble in my mind. Now, you know I may suffer eternal punishment for all this.

You need to start reading. A reader makes a leader. Read quality and reality not junk from the sources you have been quoting. You have a poor understanding of the English language. Maybe you should try to resolve that before trying to shell out any advice.

Image123: You said i have 1 and 2, i said i have all. Then you start complaining. There is no confusing issues, its actually a clarification of facts. You know little about faith as you said you do not have. Permit me to help you na.

I see. The problem is that you're finding language difficult. I'm sorry but I cannot help you with that. Seeing how you confuse the meaning of a word with the word itself, I don't think you're qualified or in a position to help me. Sorry to burs your bubble.

wiegraf: Simply, is there anywhere in the universe, or any conceivable universe actually, where 2+2 != 4? Also, please show how.

You're trying to reason with someone who rejects reason.

Image123: hmmm, am i beginning to touch a nerve? What is my offiense? i have all the faiths described above. Everyone has faith, its just that some misuse it. Do you have faith in Brahma too?

Did I say or imply you committed an offense? When you misuse language, you make it difficult to communicate with you. When you say you "have all the faiths described above", you're confusing issues. I'm telling you that the word "faith" has multiple meanings and you're saying you "have all the meanings". That is just a misunderstanding of the various concepts.

No I don't have faith in Brahma but what does that have to do with anything here? Or do you have faith in Brahma yourself?

wiegraf: Amateurs. Took you 6-7 posts to reduce uyi to whargarbl? I usually do that in ~2

2+2!=4 ....smh for you uyi (and no, genius, the '!' != factorial, see?)

You must be very good at exposing his folly. Please how do you do it? I need to learn so I can quickly shut dull people like him down.

Image123: So you do have faith?

Looks like a failure of language here with you. Just so you know, faith has multiple meanings. Here are two meanings.

Wiktionary: 1. A feeling, conviction, or belief that something is true or real, assent that is not contingent upon reason or justification.

2. A religious belief system.

4. A trust or confidence in the intentions or abilities of a person, object, or ideal.

1) and 2) are the sorts of faith religious people like you have when it comes to the Bible and your God.
4) is what I was talking about.

Seriously take the time to learn something about the language. It will help reduce some of the confusion you're having.

mcfynest: hmmmm....flesh and bone hath not revealed this unto you
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so you believe the story of noah on the sea in an ark with all kinds of animals LITERALLY SMH FOR YOU

I don't believe it happened in any way. You're welcome to believe it happened any way you like. Just be careful with saying he sailed his ark on people's heads.

Logicboy03: Lol.....like The Homer said......you are too dull to be informed

The childish brat is just an attention seeker. He thinks throwing out questions he could have looked up would make him seem intelligent.

Uyi Iredia: '. . . stupidly dull' very 'good' syntax I see. Peabrain. I asked you explain how gravity and magnetism affect matter. But so far, you tap-dance around it. If you are empty on that score, let me know.

This will be my last response to you here you punk child. Just go out and play with sand because that looks like all you can handle at this stage.

My explaining how gravity and magnetism affect matter won't change the fact that gravity and magnetism aren't matter but they affect matter.

I've said this before. You ignorantly tried to challenge it but decided that you would now accept what I said. If you really want to know how they affect matter, you can start by looking it up on Wikipedia. I'm not your physics teacher and I pity whoever it was that taught you or would try to teach you.

Image123: So much grammar required to state in other words that you have killed a child. Abortion is the termination of life. A baby in the mother's womb is a living thing, whether you like this fact or not, it is true. The child in the womb has all the characteristics of a living thing known. Using other synonyms will not erase the fact that you support killing of millions of babies annually. you have no moral or logical ground to argue against God killing anyone, even on a plain level.

Bacteria in your intestines are living things and each time you take antibiotics, you kill a lot of them. They have characteristics of living things too. I wonder if this means you'll no longer be taking them.

Image123: It actually shows off your limitations, because you decided to pick and choose from the book that you consider fiction. The same book clearly states that God is good, and severally shows that He is good. His character is good, His nature is good, and His actions are good. the book considers them good, and His adherents consider them good. You are wasting your faith i must re-state.

A book that supports racism would say that racists were good. The fact that the Bible makes a similar mistake doesn't make its assessment correct. An entity who commands the killing of children and infants and who kills them himself cannot be good in character or nature. So, the book is wrong and the adherents are wrong. I have no faith but you're wasting yours. You should turn to Brahma.

Image123: The purposes for God making man are found in His Word(the Bible). it would be foolish to make unsustainable assumptions, assumptions are not local. i can make mine and you can make yours. The wise thing to do is see the Bible and observe God state WHY He made humans. Its strewn all over the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Some of these purposes (i can point out the passages) include for dominion, fruitfulness, praise, holiness, victory. There is nothting for us to agree about, its SHOW and tell, not 'may actuallys'.

In the Bible, we also have God killing people left and right. Some of the purposes also appear to be for burning in hell for eternity.

Image123: The Bible states that God owns human life and i have given you a Bible verse for that. It is on this premise that we can discuss His actions sanely. Mr G cannot be accused of theft or murder or genocide if he decides to slaughter all the 6000 livestock(goats) that belong to him. hopefully, you understand that.

And I disagree that God owns human life. Unless you think you're a goat, I don't see the relevance of what you're saying here.

Image123: My chicken is in no position to tell me what to do, though i care about it and even want to use it for delicious christmas food come December. i actually care about it, feeding it and making sure it doesn't get sick. hopefully, you understand that. There is no problem facing God. If you are not searching for something, you would not be spending your years asking questions about Jehovah God. You do not ask annual questions about Voltron or Winnie the pooh, do you? Your pride is keeping you living in denial. Carefully notice the 'MUST' below.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So if God is raising you to feed you to some aliens or so that you can be a slave to other people, would that satisfy you?

Carefully note God's failure.

The inspiration of the bible depends upon the ignorance of the gentleman who reads it. Yet they tell me this book was written by the creator of every shining star. Now let us see. I want to be honest and candid. I have just as much at stake in the way of soul as any doctor of divinity that ever lived, and more than some I have met. According to this book, the first attempt at peopling this world was a failure. God had to destroy all but eight. He saved some of the same kind to start again, which I think was a mistake. After that, the people still getting worse, he selected from the wide world a few of the tribe of Abraham. He had no time to waste with everybody. He had no time to throw away on Egypt. It had at that time a vast and splendid civilization, in which there were free schools; in which the one man married the one wife; where there were courts of law; where there were codes of laws. -- Ingersoll's Lecture entitled "Some Reasons Why"

Image123: Actually, He died and rose again.

So you say. As I said, you'll believe anything.

Image123: God loves you and so do i.

"Now, I read the bible, and I find that God so loved this world that He made up His mind to damn the most of us." - Robert Green Ingersoll.

Image123: You've never being depressed or thought of suicide? You do not feel empty? What is a regular begging of God?

No I've not and I don't feel empty. Your prayers and supplications begging him for all sorts of ridiculous things.

Image123: You support the annual killing of millions of babies if the name is called abortion, yes? You are not at peace, you just have a suppressed conscience.

No I don't support that.

Image123: What does it mean, and why do you say that i do not have it?

long-suffering: Having endured mental or physical discomfort for a protracted period of time patiently or without complaint.
You've been complaining when exposed to mental discomfort.

Image123: possible if you say so. Perhaps you got it from the society where you are or from your parent.

Since I'm gentle, you can strike that off your list.

Image123: Jesus is meek.

And you're not Jesus.

Image123: What is temperance?

Consult a dictionary.

Image123: Good for me, bad for you. The Holy Ghost was sent to help you. You need to stretch out that hand of faith so that he can draw you out of the well of sin.

There is no Holy Ghost. Or can you show me this entity?

Image123: You're too proud to accept that you are a sinner and believe that Jesus Christ can save you, you are not yet free. You are not free from immoral thoughts, coveteousness, idolatry, unforgiving spirit, fornication and worldliness.

The fact that you believe in your God doesn't mean you're not proud. Oh I'm free from them alright that is why you don't see me accusing others of "suffering" from it. Do you think believing in Jesus frees you? If you do, then why do pastors and prophets keep "suffering" from the items on that list?

Image123: You claimed that God was supposed to be unknowable. Now you make assumptions that have no leg to stand. God's purposes of creating man are in His Word, not based on assumptions. i comprehend the passage you speak of, you are the one who has failed to comprehend but is content with assumption. God is not a man.

You're assuming that his purposes are in the Bible. If he is the type of God who will kill 42 children, maybe you should be careful about thinking you understand him so much.

Image123: Where did Brahma say that i need brahma, and what did Brahma say that i need Brahma for? You have actually met people who believe in Brahma and worship Brahma? hope you are not lying or just mimicking me like a kid? If indeed there is nothing precious to lose in believing in and accepting Brahma, what are you waiting for? You just said you do not believe in Brahma or know Brahma.

Brahma is beyond asking you, he expects you to have realized that yourself. I know enough about Brahma to suggest that you should consider accepting him.

Uyi Iredia: The peabrain is at it again. You make some dumb statement on physics explaining how the immaterial affects the material. I ask you to explain without special pleading. You do just that by pleading gravity and magnetism with some mumbo-jumbo on understanding of physics. Then I ask for a simple explanation of gravity and magnetism to back up your claim. Then the peabrain does nuffin but shoot peas.

You're too stupidly dull to be informed. What is dumb about the fact that gravity and magnetism are non-material and they affect matter? If you don't know that gravity and magnetism are non-material and they affect matter, then you're too uninformed to continue this conversation.