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uboma: Look around you, would u dare to say that God doesn't exist? The complexity of the Universe is just one of many examples. See the way the moon and stars provide light during the night and the sun during the day. Do you know that the earth is on the right position in relation to the sun for life to exist? If the earth had been an inch closer to the sun, everything on earth will be @ boiling point? An inch away from its present exact position to the sun, the earth be on freezing point, too cold to allow life to flourish.

uboma: Now consider the way the human body was beautifully designed to enjoy life. What about other creations too? These living things didn't just come by chance. God created them. What about the oxygen we breathe in? Do you know that if God seizes the air we breathe in, not even you who is wondering about the existence of God, will be alive today?

Promhize: President GoodLuck Jonathan on Saturday, commissioned the 500 megawatts Omotosho Power Plant Phase 2 with four gas turbines in Ondo State.
This is coming exactly 16 days after the commissioning of the 434MW Geregu II plant in Kogi State and also the second of the 10 Nigerian Independent Power Project (NIPP) under the management of the Niger Delta Power Holding Company (NDPHC) Ltd to be inaugurated.
It is moreover exciting to note that the Omotosho Power Project which is commissioned today was initiated in 2004 and has been abandoned between 2007 and 2009 due to funding problems.
Congratulating the President for his commitment and land marks in revitalizing the power sector, the Honorable Minister of power, Professor Chinedu Nebo remarked that the power sector has enjoined the position of No. 1 priority in this administration.
Speaking at the event, President Goodluck Jonathan noted that the new development was aimed at boosting the country’s capacity in generating 500MW of energy.
President also utilized the occasion to assure PHCN workers that are yet to get their severance package that the government is working towards that, urging them that there is no need for industrial action.

http://www.ceoafrica.com/viewnews.php?tabnews=2306

honeychild: So who did? You? Or the 'very smart people' who have not yet been able to duplicaate it?

godjohnson: A man went to a barber shop to have his hair cut as usual. He started
to have a good conversation with the barber who was cutting his hair. They
talked about many things and various subjects. Suddenly, they touched
the subject of God.
The barber said, "Look man, I don't believe that God exists!"
"Why do you say that?" asked the man. "Well, it's so easy, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God does not exist. Tell me, if God existed, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be no suffering nor pain? I can't think of loving a God who permits all of these things."
The man thought for the moment, but he didn't want to respond so as to cause an argument. The barber finished his job and the man went out of the shop. Just after heleft the barber shop he saw a man in the street with long hair and beard. It seemed that it had been a long time since he had his hair cut and he looked so untidy.
Then the first man again entered the barber shop and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist!"
"How can you say they don't exist?" asked the barber. I am here and I am a barber."
"No!" the man exclaimed. "You don't exist because if you did there would be no people with long hair and beard like that man who walks the streets."
"But, I do exist, and that is what happens when people do not come to me."
"Exactly!" - affirmed the man. "That's the point. God does exist, and see what happens when so many people don't go to Him and do not look for Him? That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

tsidra: You think taking care of d whole world is easy Try being the class captain of a public school nd see how it works out for you?

Calling God names, if he has mean as u ar paintin him u will 6 ft under by now.

U ar so lucky am nt God u ignorant, self centerd insultive piece of sh1t!!!

Jst so u know am takin it personal

honeychild: He created the spiders who create the silk that 'a lot of very smart people' have been trying to replicate without success.

Felymoore: What Is Life Without God.

Image123: Get back to you? We are still expecting concrete proof for your many ridiculous assumptions and inferences. Humble yourself, note your mistakes and presumptions(especially the unguarded and unfounded quotes fron Ingersoll), give repentance a thought instead of going to ask other atheists and internet for answers. Think for yourself, see your relatives and elders who have achieved greater than you have and ever can, observe that they are wise enough to believe in a God.

Uyi Iredia: @ thehomer: After giving the issue some thought, I have decided to agree for now that the in general the Christian God is malevolent: and accept that its recorded actions furnishes sufficient evidence to make such a conclusion, for one a human who does similar would be said to be malevolent.

Image123: Billions of literates did not come to such a conclusion, kindly show us the verse that implies this basic fact. thanks.



Another round of assumptions and implyings i guess. Do you have anything concrete to say or you are just frustrated? Mention just 10 out of the SO MANY terrible things that the Bible recommends YOU to do.
You were initially comparing yourself and wannabes to God as owner of all things, find a means of staying on track/point.




You see why i need to ask if you smoke pot? You first said that God thought that Noah's boat could hold all animals, now you are saying that God thought it could hold 2 of every animal. i would not be surprised if you cannot see the difference in your statements. Now that you cannot show where God thought that Noah's boat could hold all animals, but now say 2, do you not think that it is possible? i think it is possible and that is what happened. i do not recall my ever mentioning Australia or America or Uganda to you in all our conversations. i guess to you, that is proof that i do not know about such places.
BTW, are you aware of the various cultures 'legends' of this particular flood?




You inferred bollocks and then lay claims that God thought? i have NEVER made such a dull inference in all my life of reading that passage, neither have i heard anyone who did. You are the first. Here is the parallel and complimentary scripture for your understanding.
Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into a high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
The phrase "in a moment of time" rightly infers that it was a sort of vision that the devil gave, of ALL the kingdoms of the world. Another passage in Isaiah rightly states the shape of the earth as Isaiah saw it. i guess you deleted that verse from your memory as i am sure you have read it before.




You implied that God is the cause of wars, that you need to do something about His influence(a ludicrous joke BTW). Now, i replied by showing you what your types have done concerning war. Nietzche's writings and ideologies greatly influenced Stalin and Hitler, do read.




i believe you are talking about captives of war? What do you suggest as the good thing to have been done for them, annihilation like in the case of Amalek? Hate it or love it, God's recommendations of treatment was the best obtainable. It was so good that a slave could say he wanted to remain with his master forever. It was so good that all servants were released every year of jubilee. Your atheist ancestors did worse. The heart of man is evil and desperately wicked, and God gave the right treatment in due time, when Jesus came. It goes to show the necessity of Christ's coming to restore man from his fall. Ask or observe any developer, development is in stages. Windows 7 operating system cannot run on a Windows 3.0 computer. The hardware cannot even carry it. The developer can only give best practices for that system, but it cannot make it equal to a modern day core7. When Christ came, He made a new and living way, and spread the good news and there came in the grace, peace and civility that we are all reaping from today.
Freedom is not free. What is freedom of religious worship? Have you ever seen any sensible organisation that allows its workers freedom to go work some other place, a rival place for that matter? God created man to worship HIM, how sensible will it be for Him to permit man to go worship another? What is the good thing about freedom of worship? BTW, you are fighting for as you are not comfortable with me serving or worshipping God. You are not in union with the way the muslins worship, are you?
What is freedom of thought? Sounds like a vacant expression. Is it freedom to think anything you feel like? Like thinking of killing millions in gas chambers, or of rap.ing, or of robbery? Is freedom of thought another word for insanity or anarchy? Please explain BRIEFLY what is meant by this freedom of thought that you claim to be fighting for, and lets know how good it is.
What is freedom from slavery? i need to ask because there are many practices in our world not termed slavery but which are equal to or worse than slavery. People all over the world are in one sort of bond or the other. The main issue should not be the name, but the treatment. how do you treat your fellow humans? Your workers, strangers, etc? How are the prisons? Are people free from sickness, debt, working from 6am to 9pm etc? How much is their compensation? Are they faring better than Abraham's servants?




Still undeniable that billions of people have seen God as a source of hope, joy, turning a disadvantage into an advantage. they have found it so, and so have i. i have explained to you what i mean by wrong information of importance, it is not just anything that i do not like. i specifically mentioned numerical contradictions. You are literate, please live it.
What was created first, and how do you know this? Don't tell me by assumption or educated GUESS again. How is that important to the majority or to saving anyone? i found the Bible to be true in its accurate description of the human, the world, evil and good. i found it to be true in the solutions that it offered; the solution for sin, for peace, for prosperity and for healing. Jesus' geneology is correct and does its job of showing/telling that Jesus was born of jewish origins from the tribe of Judah according to God's promise.




Jesus has done all that is needed to save you, what is remaining is that YOU believe Him and repent.




You are saying that God is wrong and evil if He kills. i am telling you, NO. You have been unable to show that God is perfectly happy killing living things and people. On the contrary, the Bible clearly states otherwise.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

The Bible is very clear, unlike your hazy assumptions and inferences. You know that abortion is killing and you support it, the killing of babies, millions of them annually. Are you good?


God loves you and says so. Read John 3v16. He sent Jesus Christ to die for you. That is love. He did not need to. He could simply have condemned the all of humanity as a failed project, but He has saved many of us, and He is willing to save you.
Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
i would not force someone who i made to love me but refused to love me to stay with me for all eternity, will you? If you produced something, and it got spoilt, what do you do? i try to repair it, and if it is irreparable, i destroy it. What do you do?



If 42 youths mock a old and respected prophet without provocation, they deserve whatever they get. They are not useful for anything good, and it will be good riddance to bad rubbish for the society. However, no one should take the law into his/her hands. If God judges such sons of Belial, i am in full support, this is love. Do you support the punishment of terrorists or you so much love them that you think they should live scot free? i know you will not answer most of these questions as is your custom.




i know that already. You that you've not considered the option of Brahma, i do not have the job of showing you such irrelevance.




In the life of Christ. He had the Spirit and His fruits, true temperance is one of them.




No i do not and i have not. So, do you know what a rural area is? Have you ever lived in one?



You are talking with Brahma as your authority?
God offers you rest, victory, heaven, eternal life, salvation from sin, redemption, cleansing, deliverance. You have gone from saying that you have all these to you do not want as they are not important. Quite fickle. This is why i initially stated that you lacked base. Your reasonings, decisions and morality are baseless and without focus. They are based on assumptions and whims and caprices.




You need help in basic focus. i showed you irrefutable proofs of God's purposes for man. i showed verses that stated these purposes. i have shown Bible passages that CERTAINLY say this. You have been unable to show any verse that tell us that God's purpose is A or B, you have only being making assumptions and quoting an assuming Ingersoll.
We were not talking about miracles, get an handle and focus.




You initially stated that what Jesus taught was different from what the Jews believed, now it is MOST Jews. After i showed you that some Jews thousands, believed Jesus. You have been unable to show the Bible command that Jesus broke that justified His crucifixion according to Ingersoll.




Where did Jesus say that people should worship Him? How is He a different God? Two questions i am certain you will not answer. You make baseless and unfounded claims, always try to verify what you read, especially what you read from Ingersoll.




God is not responsible for miscarriages. i want to believe this is not another one of your unverifiable assumptions. What a waste of faith, You believe a lot of rubbish.




What is nirvana again?




There was no question. You said "You have no issues with God choosing to kill babies. Fertilized eggs and bacteria are living things."
And i said yes i have no issues with God. Then i asked you a question which you failed to answer. Here it is again. You have NO ISSUES with millions of women choosing to kill babies, do you?
You are the one that opened the thread, you are the one complaining about God killing people. i am only showing you that you are the real problem. You support millions of babies being killed annually as far as the name is abortion. Now, you are saying "So what if aborted babies are humans? " You do not get it, right? You see no wrong in these humans being killed annually, but you have a problem with something that was done thousands of years ago which is not even up to a tenth of what you approve/support.



It took you that long to see the bolded. Well, thank God you can now see it. Ingersoll made a mistake of saying it was in Jerusalem. It is important as it shows that Ingersoll has no proper grasp of what he is criticising. Almost all the quotes you've given from Ingersoll have been flawed in perspective. It will be better if you studied the Bible for yourself, and asked genuine questions borne out of study. The quotes other points have been addressed. It is evident today, there are many 'testimonies from the dead', even here on NL. Have you believed them, have you taken the pains or efforts to go ask them all these questions you dream of asking? Ingersoll said "if there was a man in this town that had been raised from the dead, I would go to see him tonight."
Have you done anything similar except to lazily quote others? Take the effort to go to the crusades, see things for your self, interview the testifiers etc. Don't just sit oneplace nodding to every CO2 coming out of Ingersoll and Russell or youtube. Wake up to reality.
i doubt if Brahma makes all these claims you are helping it with. God has saved me, and He is willing to save you.

Image123: Kindly show us where the Bible implies that God's purpose for creating man is to send him to hell. Billions of literates did not come to such a conclusion, kindly show us the verse that implies this basic fact. thanks.

Image123: The Bible says it so well, better and more correct and current than any other book. great men every where cannot do without the Bible, it is a MUST HAVE, and most read and study for every knowledgeable person in every generation. You cannot compare with yourself or wannabes who do not know much about humanity and who have not made the claims that the most High has made. None has given so great salvation as the Only wise God.

Image123: You come with yet another attempt to distract issues as usual. Humour me, kindly show where God thought that Noah's boat could hold all animals, he didn't know about Australia and the Americas. i guess you are assuming as usual. Do you smoke?

Image123: What is the shape of the earth, and what shape did God call it? Kindly state the Bible passage.

NIV: 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. - Matthew 4:8

Image123: You will need to work hard, very hard. The biggest wars and crimes have being committed by atheists like Stalin and Hitler, and other such unbelievers. The writings of folks like Nietzche influenced nazi behaviour and their value for human life. The results are plain for all to see in their death camps.

Image123: What is slavery? Last time i checked, the treatments God recommended for slaves was so good some slaves made decisions to live under their masters forever. Many positions and situations today are much worse than the slavery that obtained in the Bible. Abraham's slave would feed many of my countrymen for instance. You need to update yourself on the new testament God sent to man. Slavery was a worldwide event, not something that God brought or started. Many of the abolitionists were christians, you are late as usual. You're just waking up to a civilisation that was already preached in scriptures thousands of years ago. Tell me three good things you are fighting for that is not already commanded by God? Plagiarism of ideas and values.

Image123: When i say wrong information of importance, i refer to what you may call a contradiction like is found in the case of numbers; for instance, there may be a record that states 8 while the real thing is 18. those are the kind of information that i called wrong information having no importance. All that is necessary to our salvation and to the average human are intact, accurate, and more current than tomorrow's discovery.
i found the Bible to be true in its accurate description of the human, the world, evil and good. i found it to be true in the solutions that it offered. The solution for sin, for peace, for prosperity, for healing etc. Billions of people have seen God as a source of hope, joy, turning a disadvantage into an advantage. they have found it so, and so have i.

Image123: i do not know your fellows for starters. Then i love you, remember? i do not want you embarrassed but saved.

Image123: Good, your initial argument was that humans were not being killed. You avoided the word, but used 'termination'. Now, i have shown you that abortion is killing, and we are referring to humans here, living things. You support the annual killing of millions of humans in the name of abortion. But you cry foul if God should try less than a tenth of that in Amalek.

Image123: Oh, but you said God hates atheists. You made that accusation without any proof, then i showed you that God loves you.

Image123: Yeah, it is another sign of God's love. i find it strange how you do not see anything wrong in the actions of more than 42 youths mocking a old and respected prophet without provocation. Is that how you smile sheepishly when your loved young ones mock you, if they do? What did you expect, a pat on the back? When you mock a man the calibre of Elisha, be prepared for correction the calibre of Elisha.
Gala 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Image123: Many things look awkward with you, like preaching for Brahma without accepting Brahma.

Image123: They are found in those books.

Image123: Do you know what a rural area is? Have you ever lived in one?

Image123: You are shy to tell us on what authority you stated that The only way to Nirvana is through Brahma so if you have Nirvana or will get, then you're following Brahma (who is even more powerful than your God).
God is offering you Heaven, eternal life, salvation from sin, redemption, cleansing, deliverance, rest etc. You do not have any of these, yet they are things humans look for, not unimportant and esoteric stuff.

Image123: Irrefutable means undeniable, convincing, certain. These are things that i have shown you of God's purpose for creating humans. You have dwelt on assumptions, maybes and 'implyings'.
The Bible states that God created man with the purpose of praising Him, showing forth glory, dominion and victory, multiplying and replenishing. i have shown Bible passages that CERTAINLY say this. You have been unable to show any verse that tell us that God's purpose is A or B, you have only being making assumptions and quoting an assuming Ingersoll.

Image123: you said that what jews taught was different from what the Jews believe, and i told you that the disciples were jews and they believed Him. Thousands of jews believed Him.

Image123: Secondly, Jesus did not worship another God, contrary to what you and Ingersoll are saying. Ingersoll hastily concluded or assumed that Jesus worshipped another God. He was wrong, as you can see. Your pride and blind slavery to Ingersoll's thoughts may keep you from accepting this fact though. Think for yourself man.

Image123: You support the annual killing of 42 million babies that are not yours. If God kills 1 in 4 babies every year, they are His! But He does not. Miscarriage is an involuntary ending of a pregnancy through the discharge of the fetus from the womb at too early a stage in its development for it to survive.
Muse on that word 'involuntary'.

Image123: But God gave me nirvana long before i ever heard of Brahma. Do you have nirvana? i already told you that i do, so your saying i don't is a waste of internet space.

Image123: Yes, i have no issues with God. You have NO ISSUES with millions of women choosing to kill babies, do you? Aborted babies are humans.

Image123: There was no man that did all these things you spoke of in Jerusalem. You do not understand that? You and Ingersoll were caught wrong yet again. Always try to verify information for yourself, you need some independence. Jesus did not do all the things Ingersoll claimed He did IN Jerusalem. It is evident today, there are many 'testimonies from the dead', even here on NL. Have you believed them, have you taken the pains or efforts to go ask them all these questions you dream of asking? Ingersoll said "if there was a man in this town that had been raised from the dead, I would go to see him tonight." Don't be the usual armchair internet critic. Take the effort to go to the crusades, see things for your self, interview the testifiers etc. Don't just sit oneplace nodding to every CO2 coming out of Ingersoll and Russell or youtube. Wake up to reality. God is good, He is your Creator.

Deep Sight: I refer to primordial eternal Life and Light.

Deep Sight: Being Life and Light, is necessarily good.

Darkness and death...real death...these are necessarily evil, being the anti-thesis of Life and Light.

The Light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth not the Light.

InesQor: @thehomer

From all the above, I conclude that it is you who are confused, or you didn't clearly state your intentions earlier on.

InesQor: You asked in WHAT way is God good? And I have shown you one perspective: in light of being Creator.

InesQor: I haven't been arguing from a moral standpoint, that is entirely beside the point here. I have been arguing that God is GOOD in his function as creator, as it relates to purpose. And this is consistent with everything I've argued on this thread.

InesQor: Nuff said. I don tire.

InesQor: As at when you replied, no I hadn't laid out my premises. It's right there for everyone to see.

InesQor: And why is that? Do I need to know Mozart's purposes to appreciate the beauty of his Symphony #40 in G minor (1st movement)? How good he was for creating that masterpiece?

InesQor: That is your opinion. As long as you did not create them, you do not know if it was a better or worse option with respect to creation. Neither do I know. But unless we're saying that the creator set things in motion by mistake, then everything he does as per creation is good. BECAUSE he set out to create, and the creation is here now. So as a creator, He is good.

InesQor: What makes it mysterious? Let's see your definitions and consider them.

(1) Acting in the interest of good; ethical.
This one doesn't help in the case because it includes the word good. Using this definition would be a classical fallacy of ignotum per ignotius.
(2) Useful for a particular purpose; functional. THIS ONE
(3) Of food, edible; not stale or rotten.
(4) Of food, having a particularly pleasant taste.
(5) Of food, being satisfying; meeting dietary requirements.
3, 4 and 5 are irrelevant as they pertain to food
(6) Healthful.
Irrelevant, since God is the subject
(7) Pleasant; enjoyable
Not really relevant, since enjoyment is relative
(8 ) Of people, competent or talented.
Relevant to God's purpose in creation, whatever it is; going by the argument of intelligent design
(9) Effective
God as creator is effective, else there will not be a creation
(10) Favourable
Not really relevant, since a favourable nature is relative
(11) Beneficial; worthwhile.
Relevant, see 8 and 9 above
(12) (colloquial) With "and", extremely.
Irrelevant due to nature of usage in this case
(13) (especially when capitalized) Holy.
Rather relevant, but I will discard it because we have not both agreed here that the creator is Holy
(14) Reasonable in amount.
(15) Large in amount or size.
14 and 15 are irrelevant, we are not discussing quantities
(16) Entire.
Irrelevant, we are not discussing extents

Out of 16 definitions on a link YOU provided, about 25% of them of them follow my usage (one of them was the exact one I have used on this thread) and the others are either irrelevant or their usage will constitute a fallacy (or the Christian definition that I dropped for the sake of argument).

So what was your point again about the definition of good?

InesQor: Nah. The question is whether God, as a creator, is good. This is why I asked you earlier on what definition of God you're going with, or whether you'll accept my definition as "creator". As you can see from the wiktionary link you posted, God is indeed good as creator.

InesQor: There are only bad sculptors because you can compare their work with good sculptors, past and present. In this case, there is an ultimate creator and we don't know for sure if there were better ways to have possibly created, so this point is moot.

InesQor: This is awkward. We both agreed for the sake of argument that God is creator and now you double-back to say you may as well say the devil is creator? Quit pus$yfooting and creeping, man.

InesQor: This was a prelude to the argument, I hadn't yet laid out my premises.

InesQor: How am I to know what God's purpose is? This is a non sequitur as far as the topic is concerned.

InesQor: If that is his purpose (for which the people exist in the first case) then surely with respect to his plans, it is still good.
When a sculptor carves an image out of marble and there seems to be some "wastage"/rubble to achieve his end purpose would you say the sculptor is good? Or he is evil because some particles of marble died so to speak?

InesQor: No actually. As long as we agree that God didn't create by mistake, then in his creation (which is a continuous process as observed in evolution as well as formations of natural resources etc) he continues to achieve his purpose, and thus by definition he is good.

InesQor: My point is that "Good" is relative to the observer. What you consider good or evil is entirely subjective to you. But AS LONG AS you are a creation of the creator, then by definition the creator is good in whatsoever he damn well pleases to do with and around you.

InesQor: You can escape this general definition if you prove that you are not of the creation, or that the God of whom you speak is not the creator. Again, refer to the marble sculptor, whence you are mere particles of marble serving whatsoever the sculptor damn well pleases.

InesQor: The devil is a creation as well but for the sake of argument, yes, if the devil were the creator then he is surely good.

InesQor: Enlighten or humor me with some evidence please. What exactly did this devil create? I'm curious.

InesQor: @OP:

If you accept that God is creator of all, then you must accept that God is good.

InesQor: - Good means having desirable qualities suitable for a particular purpose.

InesQor: - Thus if God is creator of all, he is necessarily good because the creation serves whatever purpose that he desired when he set it in motion.

InesQor: - This is irrespective of whatever the creation considers "good" to be. The creation cannot "know" good because it cannot comprehend the desirable qualities that set it into motion as at a time when it was not yet in existence.

InesQor: So I guess it all hinges upon your acceptance that the God you refer to in the OP is creator of all. If you do not accept the conjecture that he is the creator of all, then I guess we'll be having another conversation: to which my first question would be to better understand what you mean by "God" in this case.

Image123: No wahala, i will drop it, i knew you could not state where the Bible said God's purposes for creating man were your assumptions. Like when you said "God's purpose for creating man is to send him to hell." Ignorant fellows would have thought you had a Bible verse that states this. Instead, we are diverted back to explaining how killing is good. Why don't you start with your explanation for supporting abortion(the killing of babies), millions of them annually. i will follow after you sir.

Image123: God's Word convinces me that He owns all human life. His Word is filled with so much insight and truth on the human and his nature, and it tells what wil help and improve the human and what will not. It says it so well, better and more correct and current than any other book. If you read the Bible, and see the human being reflected, you will note that this Person speaking knows so much about humans, things that we are just discovering in the ageof enlightenment, civilisation and technology. Little wonder that great men every where cannot do without the Bible, it is a MUST HAVE, and most read and study for every knowledgeable person in every generation. You cannot compare with yourself or wannabes who do not know much about humanity and who have not made the claims that the most High has made. None has given so great salvation as the Only wise God.
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Image123: but he has great influence on your life and on the lives of millions of people greater than you in any aspect for ever. Go figure.

Image123: Sure. Next time, don't be equivocal, make your point this clear.

Image123: Yes i did, then i found out that the Bible does not contain any wrong information of importance. i understand Ingersoll. i do not just believe because someone told me so, i also found it so. Many of the stuff scientists say and do make no sense to the average human. Who cares what and how the panels of the plasma tv and the smartphones work? Who cares about java and binary codes? All we want is the product. God delivers, billions of people in every generation have seen it so.

Image123: Don't show this particular quote to any of your fellows, it would embarrass you.

Image123: You hit a brickwall yet again.Abortion is killing and millions of pregnancies are aborted annually, and you support it.

Image123: Ever heard that God so loved the WORLD? Don't speak ignorantly or bigotry.
2Co 5:19 Our message is that God was making all human beings his friends through Christ. God did not keep an account of their sins, and he has given us the message which tells how he makes them his friends.

Image123: Now, you know that you lack meekness.

Image123: Not a problem, i would live a thousand times fulfilled without Ingersolls words.

Image123: i talked about moral bookS and moral qualities.

Image123: Eh sorry, touching on your nerves and long suffering ba? People live in rural areas and urban areas till tomorrow. people do not normally live underground. If you have lived in a rural area, you will not be ignorant of the reality/possibility of spirits. You can go spend like 6 months in a recommended place, you'll never remain the same.

Image123: On what authority do you state this? Allah has nothing important to offer me that i do not already have(better put).

Image123: Do you know the meaning of 'irrefutable' or you are just childishly mimicking yet again?

Image123: You do know that Jesus' disciples were Jews and they believed Him, right? Jesus did not entice anyone to go and worship other gods. You have shown your ignorance of scriptures yet again, ingersoll has been proven wrong again. Just how wrong does he have to be before you drop his sorryhood?

Image123: you support the annual killing of 42 million babies that are not yours.

Image123: Nirvana is spiritual enlightenment and joy. i have that in God, joy unspeakable and full of glory.

Image123: You have NO ISSUES with millions of women choosing to kill babies. Aborted babies are living things.

Image123: This is just gross ignorance. According to your own Bible, Jesus was the person who healed the blind, the leper and raised people from the dead. As I've said, your difficulties seem to lie with communicating using the language.
There was no man that did all these things you spoke of [b]in Jerusalem. You do not understand that? How can you? You were caught wrong yet again. perhaps Ingersoll had difficulties comprehending the english language and communicating with it. God is good.

mollie12: I'm always annoyed with myself that I meet threads like this when they are 8 pages gone and all manner of ignorant people have had their chance to scoff at what they don't understand.

A word to atheists: get a life. If you don't believe God is real, why expend so much time, energy, kilobytes in militant mode at everything Christian? Stop trying to throw up baseless arguments against God: they will never hold.

Concerning the Jonah fish issue: this is not something Christians rack their brains trying to figure out because they already know how powerful their God is. But just in case you needed extra proof - here it is right here in nature - in the science of zoology:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basking_shark

We ask ourselves: what kind of fish could God have provided that had a stomach large enough to store a full grown man for up to 3 days, that would not have injured the man with sharp teeth during the process of swallowing him, whose digestive juices were not powerful enough to digest this man while he was in its stomach; and how will oxygen have been provided to the man during this time? Well, nature provides an answer for us in this interesting sea creature known as the BASKING SHARK (Cetorhinus maximus). It is the 2nd largest shark in the world, reaching lengths of up to 40ft, and smaller than only the whale shark. Unlike typical sharks that are known to be ferocious and have the capacity to eat humans, this shark is totally harmless! In fact, its so harmless that instead of teeth, it possesses only gill rakers and can only feed on small fish and plankton (microscopic sea organisms). Given its small feeding range, you would think it had one of the smallest mouths seen on sharks, but no, it has one of the largest jaws EVER, with a jaw width size of up to 1 metre! To give you a perspective, the average jaw width of a regular man is about 10cm. With this alone, we can already see the real-life, made-in-nature profile of Jonah's fish been built up, and you can check out the wikipedia link I posted for more information.

victorious1986: capital letter YES n better start doing too if u want peace of mind

obadiah777: smdh dayum scoffers

philfearon: He Kept you alive to see this morning,givin u another opportunity to come back to Him...Some people couldnt make it to this morning cuz they died from their sleep..You dont know the Battle He fought,He fights and is still fighting over you...You are not better than Those who died last night..You were not even aware of What happened in the 6-8hrs you slept...BUT YOU WOKE UP....The Lord God has called You!!

philfearon: Do not Put The Lord Your God to Test!! But since you have done that Already,Wait and See!!!....

Rossikk: I see it like this: God is in all there is, yet can condense into a single soul or consciousness simultaneously with his all-encompassing character. It's a bit like several files being condensed into a zip file. That zip file is God the person. The various files and folders contained in the zip file constitute 'the universe'. Or perhaps even 'the universes'. Including all of life and intelligent existence. But the zip file has its personality - a compendium of all the personalities in its files and folders - and can present itself anywhere in person, as God!

Samscofield: Religion without science is lame. Science without religion is dead.

obadiah777: and that is exactly why i have stopped casting pearls before swines. waste of my time.

philfearon: Onye ara na akpo onye ara onye ara na ebe o na apu ala!!
I knew That was what you will say,and you did....
Many have taken your path,and it led them to no Where!! Repent,and seek Your God,your Creator! For ye know not how you came to be....Some of Your mates were terminated at Conception....
Jeremiah31:20 "Israel{thehomer},you are My dearest Son,the child i love best.Whenever i mention your name,i think of you with Love.My heart goes out to you;i will be merciful"..
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Jeremiah33:3 "call to me,and i will answer You;i will tell you Wonderful Things that you know Nothing about"....
The Lord God is still open,to welcome u back,that thou might be saved from Eternal Damnation,and shame Satan....