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nezan what u fail to realize is the fact that science and history are progressive feilds. What is thought to be true today can be disproved or modified tommorow. Even the almigthy theories of einstein are currently being reviwed in light of new findings

as per the mud bricks and cruxifixition, we only know as much as history preseves for us,  Events like appearnce of first coins, first baked bricks, first wheels or even 'first' humans are been continouly pushed backwards as new findings surface. I saw a documentry about discovery of what appears to be a battery cell among solomons ruins. What was solomon doing with a bathery? A device we know was 'recently' invented. It is becoming more and more obvious to historians that we see today is not the height of human civiliation. There is strong evidence that some ancient civilizations had more knowledge than us and might have even surpassed our technological acheivments.
Scientists used to think animals are mindless robots. But now we know that ants 'talk' in the most complex of ways. That whales actually talk and show complex behaviours and possibly cultures  that rival that of man

not withstanding the ever changing face of science and history, there are however some axiomatic facts that no amount of research or time can change. It is amazing that the quran agrees 100% wih these. There is plenty of history that has quran as the only source. These were gnerally regarded as fairytales by xtian scholars until findings confirmed them. For example

the people of Iram
Haman, an accomplice of pharoah
preservation of pharaoh body
that early egyptian rulers were called kings and not pharoah
etc

science
human embrayology
that the universe was created from a single unit
that worker bees are female
water cycle
that male gamete determines babys sex
anatomy of ocean waves
death of stars- supernova
space travel
the list is endless

it is quite miraculous that the quran does not repeat the axiomatic blunders recorded in the bible, liike

plants created before sun
tower of babel. etc

nezan, you admitted that the bible is subject to correction by science and history. This is not the case with the quran. The quran does not need science or history to endorse it, the reverse is the case

nezan, if u ask me how muhammed split the moon. I will tell you same way moses split the red sea and jesus walked on water

OLAADEGBU, I have been responding from my fone and it is quite tiresome having to type out adequate reponse to your post. I shall defer my response till weekend when i will get my laptop back. Then we will do proper anatomy of these prophecies

nezan, i ignore ambigous statements and assumption and choose to stick to the unequivocal words of christ.

Since the divinity of jesus has been disproved, trinity dies a natural death
or at least we are left with a twinity

nezan i can answer your every single post and prove to you that not a single of them confirm the diety of christ. You are either qouoting out of contextt or misinterpreting the text. Jesus too sensed this confusion that is why he said.

"your Father and My Father, your God and my God"

he uses the power of similie to explain his true relationship with God so that even a child can understand. This answers all your past and future questions on the diety of christ.

Nezan pls do urself a favor and dissapear from this thread like your brother noetic did and stop embarrasing urself.

nezan u have posted a page full of ambigous verses to synthesize your point. All i needed is a simple statment where jesus unequivocally says he is God. There is no religious scripture on the face of the earth where a true God (or even a false one) is afraid of declaring himself. I will leave u with a simple reeponse to your futile attempt to 'create' a God that never was.
" I (jesus) am returning to my Father and your Father, My God and your God"
john 20, 17

noetic15:
my question was largely directed at deepSight. I did not expect u to be rational/intelligent enough to come up with something. So wait till deepSight asks your question.

Hint: How did the israelites react when He said He was the Son of God? what meaning did they deduce from His words?

noetic is such a fraud. The tell tale signs when he wants to lie or pull wool over our eyes is that he makes refernce to a verse without ever quoting it or simply quoting out of context. Let take a look at  john 10, 23-38

23. And jesus walked in the temple in solomon's porch
24. Then the jews surrounded him and said "how do you keep us in doubt? If you are the christ, tell us plainly"
25. Jesus answered them "i told you, and you do not believe. The works that i do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me
26. "But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep, as i said to you.
27. "My sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they follow me.
28. "And i give them eternal life, any they shall never perish neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand.
29. "My Father who has given them to me is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch out of my Father's hand
30. "i and my Father are one
31. "Then the jews took up stones again to stone him
32. Jesus answered them "Many good works which i have shown you from my Father. For which of those works do you stone me?"
33. The jews answered him saying "For a good work we do not stone you but for blasphemy, and because you being a man make yourself God.
34. Jesus answered is it not written in your law, 'i say, "you are gods"'?
35. If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and the scriptures cannot be broken)
36. "Do you say of him whom the father has sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming, 'You are blaspheming', 'because i said 'i am the Son of God'?
37. "If i do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me.
38. "But if i do, though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you amy know and believe that the father is in me and i in Him.

Analysis
23-27 the jew are harrasing jesus, asking if he is Christ. He confirms that he is thou they do not believe him
28-30 he confirms that no one can snatch his sheep from his hand or his fathers since He gave them him and he is one with his father (in terms of purpose) 
31 the jews always looking for faults in everything he says took his statment of equating himself with God literaly and thus blasphemy
32 jesus was confused wondering why he deserves the stoning for doing good works that his father sent him. He wasnt thinking they misundertand his statement abt his relationship with God literally.
33 the jew now told him they were angry not for his works but cos he equated himself with God (based on their literal interpretation)
34-36 now jesus undertants their problem. Then he reminds them that God called them (jews) 'god'. He was now asking what is blasphemos if he says he is 'Son of God' when even the common jesus was called 'god'
37-38 he reminds them again that by the works his father gave to him, they are one in purpose

conclusion
the jews as well as noetic misunderstood jesus word as literal (a man that speaks in parables). There are sons of god by the tons in the bible. David is even called his begotten son and another person his first born. Before you start exponding on 'i and the father are one' pls read the verse below.
Jonn 17, 21
"that they (the diciples) may all be one, as You Father are in Me, and I in You. That they may be one in Us, that the world may believe you sent me

OLAADEGBU:
Can you name any other person who fits all of the messianic prophecies of the OT who lived before A.D. 70?  If you are patient enough we will see by the use of composite probabilities to see how we arrive at a conclusive answer.

If you had been a Bible student and an astute scholar of the English Language you would have understood that it was prophecied that it meant that He would ride on a donkey's colt.

"Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." -- Matthew 1:22-23

Does the verse above shed more light?

i cannot name anybody that fits these prophecies the same way the jews never believe jesus fits these prophecies as well


like u rigthly said i am not an english scholar but cant pull over my eyes. I am quoting the verse for you again and want u to prove with all your scholarhip that it does not mean a colt and an ass.
'lowly, and riding upon an ass and upon a colt, the foal of an ass'
how did jesus ride on both an ass and a colt at the same time. An obvious blunder by gospel writers in an attempt to make him fit the prophecies

you keep exposing urself. The verse that you quoted shows another desperate attempt by mathew to fit jesus with the prophecy of 'a child to be called by name EMMANUEL'. Where in the bible was he ever called emmanuel by anyone. If you study the gospels clearly you see a common pattern by the gospel writers - 'so that it may be fulfilled'. This alway preceeds a convolusion of the story to fit a paticular  prophecy

most phophets in the bible were polygamus. No where in the bible does it say a man must marry one wife. To be truely christlike all xtians will have to be bachelors so muslims can marry all their women and convert them.

lest i forget, the adultry story is not in most ancient bible manuscripts like the codex sinaiticus (the oldest bible manuscript). This is just one of the many interpolations imposed on christendom by men playing fast and loose with the word of God

before any of the bible thumpers start screaming pls look up the BBC link below.
Irrefutable!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm

@yogi, very well said an articulated. U have summed it all up in this intelligent piece.
i guess we close this topic now

do you u know there were lots of would be messiahs before and after jesus?
Though the second phophecy fit him like a crown, it still does not exclude other possibilities. Many others are vague and could easily other people. And imposter could easily act up to fit these phophecies. I could simply ride an ass and a colt to jerusalem and claim to be king of jews. Does that make me the messiah?

It is aslo obvious that the writers of the gospels manipulated it so that jesus would fit these phopehcies. Read your bible well and u will see the the verse where jesus entered jeruslam stated that he 'mounted on them' (both the cole and the ass). The only place where somthing like that happens in the circus. The is strong evidence that the writers of the gospel commited a blunder in a desperate attempt to make him fit the phophecy by making him ride a colt and an ass at the same time

The only phopecy where a name was mentioned was actually never fulfilled. 'a virgin shall beget a son and he shall be called EMMANUEL.
i want you to show me any where in the bible where jesus was chritianed or ever called Emmanuel by anbody. this was an impasse for he gospel writer cos it was impossible to change his name

noetic pls tell us what 'SON' means in the bible and stop playing hide and seek
we are waiting

noetic15:
is this an argument?
what do understand by the word "SON" as used in the bible?

please tell us. We are waiting

there is nobody as evasive as this noetic dude on NL. Whenever u corner him, he simply claims u dont understand the bible.
Pls watch out for his predictable response

jagunlabi:
Immaculate kini? So god no get im own personal wifey to do immaculate conception with, but na to dey sleep with other people's wives to get im own pickin?Dat na divine adultery o! No wonder he does not have his own woman,the randy old goat!

jagunlabi why are you being so harsh? It was just a fling and nobody was expecting it would result in a baby.
Have u forgotten Zeus did someting similar with some earthling chick and Herculis was born

@Abuzola, beautiful reponse

@duduspace, did u read your post at all? You should be ashamed of yourslf. Thanks for reminding the world how merciful our holy Prophet is.

sometimes i wish the holocaust myth was true. If Hithler had atually killed six million jews we would not be having all the trouble we are having in the world today

A God that was mudered by his daddy in cold blood just to forgive our sins.
I wonder how daddy must have felt when baby God cried to him, Eli Eli Eli lama sabachtnahi (my God my God my God why have thou forsaken him me)
couldnt He simply have forgiven us without all this gory drama?
this is most disguting concept of God ever concieved by man. Even animal dont treat their sons as such.

that is not the point. There is a similar group called jews for islam.
It is expected that in at least one of these countless prophecies we hear something like 'he shall be called jesus'. These prophecies can be made to fit anybody.

If you torture data sufficiently enough, it will confess to almost anything
Fred manger

@Abdulbanaat, well said. May Allah continue to increase u in knowledge.
When truth is hurled against falshood, it (falsehood) shall surely perish

And god died!

where are the jehovah witnesses in the house? I really enjoy the way they demolish the trinity fairytale. Trinity is perhaps the most stupid doctrine in xtianity  i have heard at least a 100 differnt interpretaions. My favorite is the one that they use when u put them in a tight corner. They simply claim it is beyond human comprehesion.
Trinity is very common in most pagan religions and occults. For eg the hindus have a trinity of gods brahma, vishnu and shiva.

its obvious. Why did they ditch sabath for SUNday?
Why does christmas correspond to the winter solistics( birthday of the invincible sun)?

NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS EVER CONCEIVED OF SO GROTHESQUE A NOTION AS IT DOES IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT MAN IS BORN WITH A HERDITABLE SIN UPON HIM. AND THAT FOR THIS CURSE FOR WHICH HE IS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE TO BE ATONED FOR, GOD THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO KILL HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

Major Yeast Brown

davidylan:
This would be funny if it were not so stupidly false.

We already know . . . its in the bible . . . even Christ openly acknowledged to being rejected by the jews in the gospels and Paul gave us the spiritual implications for that in the book of Romans . . .

What else is new we shld know about?

and here i thot you knew what you were talking about.

This would have made sense if we were worshiping jews as a tribe. Since we dont all the piffle you have above makes me wonder if you are ok urself. I mean what on earth are you ranting about?

i forgot to add that if a muslim touches their wine it may not be thrown away but given out
u r deliberatly evading my point by translating my meaning u worship jews to be literal. All the same i knw u get the point and Just playing ur usual evasive manuevers

@dgreatrock
just cut it! And stop asking stupid questions. If u want to diss islam at least have the intelligence to do it. You are just so dumb!

these incredible xtians! They allow themselves to be enslaved by the same jews that killed their god. Do you guys realize that the jewish religion even puts islam on a higher pedestal than xtianity. You guys need to read the thalmud and you will be sorry for yourselves. You cant imagine what filthy things they say about christ and his mother.
I wonder if u guys have any sense at all. Worshipping a tribe that calls you gentiles (unclean) and believes that u will all rot in hell just because u were not born jews.
Even your mere touching their food makes it unclean. In classic jewish teaching if an xtian as much as touches a bottle of wine it becomes unclean for jewish consumption and must be poured away.
Honestly i wonder if you guys are ok at all

i do not deny that some of these phophecies apply to him. Nor do i deny his messaniship. My question is, why is the name jesus not mentioned in any of these countless phophecies? Why didnt the jews accept him despite all these phophecies recored in their OT and still call him an imposter till date? Have u ever read the thalmud? I dont dare repeat the filthy things they wrote about him.

in the xtian heaven all the men will be impotent and singing hymns and clapping hands like retards for all eternity.
How pathetic

[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=327869.msg4742203#msg4742203 date=1255651517]Who is the lord of the world?. So you guys should continue stoning and killing adulterers and fornicators?[/quote]so u guys can continue ordaining gay bishops and joining gay couples.
God will definately judge you, if not He will have to answer to people of Sodom and Gommorah

this reminds me of the Australian aborigine.  they call God by the name 'Atnatu'
this means 'one without an anus'. Simply, anything that defecates cannot be God. Even in their primitive culture they know God cannot be anthomorphised. Yet a civilization that has gone to the moon misses this axiomatic fact.
i wonder if the xtian God qualifies
we all for one know jesus ate (broiled fish, honey combs etc)
i leave the rest to your imagination

sir Olabowale, why are you attempting to explain such 'complex' maths to people who think  1+1+1 = 1

nezan, you will be ignored cos u are going of topic.  pls wait for your daddy Godson to return.