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deep sight i get ur point
i have neva bothered to argue abt the Allah moon god theory. It jst doesnt make any sense. Jst google the word God and you will see that it has pagan origins in its german roots. The fact that pegans before muhammed called God by Allah or as Yahweh before moses does not mean its the same god in principle and nature. What were the pegans supossed to call thier god, Monkey?

Trinity = a vindictive father + a suicidal son + a dove

these incredible xtians! Sharia is babaric cos it does not permit u to walk around nude or practise ur debauchary. Cos it does not permit u to steal or take usury. Cos it does not permit u to be gays or commit incest.

The same law that God enforced through through moses and that jesus confirmed that must be fulfilled to every letter has become demonic cos it forbids u to practice all ur evils. Dont dare tell me the law has been nailed to the cross as your pastors deceive you. How come tithe was not nailed to the cross, cos jesus never spoke about tithe
how long will this delusion in christiandom continue?

davidylan:
Perhaps your post has been largely ignored because it is another senseless, brainless, warrantless attack on christianity.

I knew i was going to get ur response this way. U are all so predictale.
Kunleosob created this thread to try to fix the mess the holy spirit has created of christianity. Inspiring people with different ideologies and making a mess of the mission jesus was unable to complete. Leaving u in utter confusion on even something as basic to ur belief as 'born again'

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=328622.msg4613687#msg4613687 date=1253950719]the problem with xtianity is that whenever anybody has a brainwave he lies on the holy spirit as his inspiration. As such we have several radically antagonistic beliefs claiming source from the holy spirit. Is it possible that the same spirit of God might have inspired the jehovah witness, catholics, 7th day adventist, mormons, anglicans, enkarka, babtists. Cherubim and seraphim and a countless host of other cults? Were the church fathers that edited the 'core teachings' of Jesus christ as claimed by jagunlabi actually inspired by the holy spirit?
I think b4 things can make sense we first of all have to recognize who really this holy spirit is why he has 'brought' so much confusion to the hearts of men.
If we can solve this riddle then we may advance in our search of wat born again really is[/quote]i noticed kunleosob and friends deliberately ignored my post
who or what is the holy spirit and why is he the source of confusion in christendom?
I thought He was supposed to lead u into all truth

u guys are jst impossible. It is was not an issue when the french govt decieded to ban the hijab. It is also not an issue dat christian schools ahve been forcing girls to cut their hair. But when shekarau make them wear veils and dress decently u all start crying. Dnt u have any conscience?

Does not the bible say at least in a place of worship women should cover their heads or shave it. Am sure u all turn a deaf ear to that. Hypocrites!

the problem with xtianity is that whenever anybody has a brainwave he lies on the holy spirit as his inspiration. As such we have several radically antagonistic beliefs claiming source from the holy spirit. Is it possible that the same spirit of God might have inspired the jehovah witness, catholics, 7th day adventist, mormons, anglicans, enkarka, babtists. Cherubim and seraphim and a countless host of other cults? Were the church fathers that edited the 'core teachings' of Jesus christ as claimed by jagunlabi actually inspired by the holy spirit?
I think b4 things can make sense we first of all have to recognize who really this holy spirit is why he has 'brought' so much confusion to the hearts of men.
If we can solve this riddle then we may advance in our search of wat born again really is

the problem with xtianity is that whenever anybody has a brainwave he lies on the holy spirit as his inspiration. As such we have several radically antagonistic beliefs claiming source from the holy spirit. Is it possible that the same spirit of God might have inspired the jehovah witness, catholics, 7th day adventist, mormons, anglicans, enkarka, babtists. Cherubim and seraphim and a countless host of other cults? Were the church fathers that edited the 'core teachings' of Jesus christ as claimed by jagunlabi actually inspired by the holy spirit?
I think b4 things can make sense we first of all have to recognize who really this holy spirit is why he has 'brought' so much confusion to the hearts of men.
If we can solve this riddle then we may advance in our search of wat born again really is

these incredible xtians. Blind 2 reason

GODSON2009:
lol that was really skillfull from both you and olabowale but im not buying that sir, what the writer is saying is that mohammad never killed or ordered the killing of any child or children,whose khadir was that of a believer in future, he is now telling them that if you want to do what mohammad did i.e the killings then you have to fullfill this single condition which he fullfilled hence was justified, to be totally and unequivocally sure that this is the truth,check the accounts of the children killed after the surrender at qurayza.

what was your prophet mohammad's answer when he was told about the slaughter of children by sab jaththana?
he dismissed it and said"THEY ARE FROM THEM"meaning i couldnt give a biscuit how many of them die as long as they are not muslims, sahih muslim, 4322-4323 now tell me if that has not validated my explanation above??
as for where im getting my facts from, dont be suprised to know my undergraduate dissertation was on justification of jihad with a focus on wahhabi and islamist like sayyid qutb,mawdudi e.t.c so i know what im on about sire, im not one of the people you ll rabble dazzle with meaningless quranic inscriptions

experience has shown me that xtian attack on islam is in most cases a projection of atrocities commited in their bible.
You cited the works of sayyid qutb,mawdudi to justify your claims. there is no doubt that your inspiration actually came from your book of authority the "Holy bible". Godson, didnt you come across the following verses in that undergraduate dissertation of your?

"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man, Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

Numbers 31:35-40 "[From the captives of war] 32,000 women who had never slept with a man, OF WHICH THE TRIBUTE FOR THE LORD WAS 32 [AMONG THEM WERE VIRGIN GIRLS]." Deuteronomy 20:16

However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Deuteronomy 20:16

How does a soldeir in war confirm if a girl is a virgin or not (there was definately no Saliva Test during the time of Moses)?
sounds like raping galore to me, or Godson what do u think?
The Lord even got his fair share of 32 HOT virgins. I wonder what he did with them?

Muslims in their morality are more like Christ that than most so called xtrian. Many a christian have allowed themselves to be deluded by the concept that faith is only on the inside. you see someone dressed naked hiding under the excuse that he or she is clean at heart and claims to be a true xtian.
i think one of the enduring legacies of islam is its rigidity and no compromise attitude towards secularity or modernism as we call it. this i must confess has put islam at loggerhead with the rest of the world. how could someone call himself a follower of Christ and ordain gay bishops and sanctify gay marriages all in the name of being liberal

religion should change the world not the other way round.
Yes i am a muslim, but i do not intend for this to become a religoius debate of christiany againt islam
Am only saying the naked truth

THE POWER OF TITHE!
Pastors always preach that the old testament and the law is an old convenant and is outdated.
i was just wondering why paying tithe was not "hung on the cross" like the laws of old
just wondering!

GODSON2009:
lol instead of you to be thinking of what you will get up to when you get to heaven,you r looking for another noetic, it has been confirmed in your quran that the faithful men will get 70 virgins,meaning people like you will be left on the shelf siddon there and be looking for the next noeticim sorry i really dont believe you sire, mohammad wrote the quran and he is certainly not infallible,he is only human as we have seen from th many contradictions,half truths and about turns he did, as far as i am concerned aisha and any other account are on same level to me, its curious that you muslims are always quick to disprove of any contrary views, if you dont like or subscribe to ibn ishaq's views how about sahih muslim4454where mohammad agreed with the killing of non-muslim children??

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside

this is another example of your lopsided thinking. where in the above narration does it say that Muhammed killed children or that he knows the kadir(destiny) of any child for him to do so. In the entire narration sahih muslim did not quote muhammad for once. he was only expounding in his own understaing why children are not to be killed during warfare, cos Allah and Allah alone knows the destiny of men.
it is evil to lie just to make an arguement. Am sure you must have copied this from one of those anti-islam website. you were so excited you didnt even bother to read through.
you should be ashamed of yourself

there is no point of arguement on this. His burial is totaly unislamic. Shame on his family especially dat his bastard son dat calls himself mohammed

i was wondering, at that moment when jesus "gave up the Ghost". it was minus one and just 2 gods were left.
That was a momoent of "twinity"

mazage may Allah bless you for this thread, let them have a peice of their s**t
the case of free will has been settled once and for All. Allah is most powerful

check out this defination of trinity that i came across in a chat room today

Trinity= A vindictive Father + a suicidal Son + a Dove

RUBRICS:
This is a Great Challenge ooooooooo. . . . . . .

God help me!

Is this the "God" you are asking for help!


A Weak "God":
"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, STRENGTHENING him." (Luke, 22:43)

"The Ignorant God"
”But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark, 13:32)
"And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet." (Mark, 11:12-13)


The not so good “God”
"And behold, one came and said unto him: 'Good master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?'
And he [Jesus] said unto him, 'Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God” (Mathew 19:16-17)


The Devil Tempted "God" For 40 Days:
"And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan." (Mark, 1:12-13)

Racist "God":
"The Lion of the tribe of Juda." (Revelation,5:5)
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 15:24)
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather tothe lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 10:5-6)
"It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." (Matthew, 15:26)

am still waiting for your your so called "historical errors in the quran"

let me give u a few examples

the bible called the ruler of egypt pharaoh during the time of joseph, the quran called him king
the quran was right because egyptians had not started the term pharoah as at the time of joseph. they called their rulers king

the quran speaks of a close friend of pharoah during the time of moses called Haman but the bible does not
xtians claimed the quran lied until the rosetta stone was found and eqyptian heiroglyphics decipherd. records showd haman was head of stone builders and an close friend of pharaoh.

the bible claims plants were created b4 the sun while quran gives correct order

the quran talks about the lost people of Iram, xtains claimed no such place or people existed and that it was fairytales of mohammed
recent archeolgy discovered the people of Elba whose cuniform records showed they once traded with the people of Iram


the bible claimed issac was sacrifced the quran said it was ishmeal
the quran was right because internal evidence from the bible shows isacc was at most a baby at the time of the sacrifice.

sunny_bobo can you help me with some more of these "errors" so i can finally nail your coffin, you lying *********

can u imagine that the first miracle of our "lord" jesus was turning drums and drums of water into beer. no wonder alchol has flowed like water in chritiandom.

[quote author=Sunny_bobo link=topic=324139.msg4549851#msg4549851 date=1253036858]Historical errors are so many in the Qur'an that we cannot cover them all, but I will point out some very obvious examples:

Error (1): The Crucifixion of Christ

The Qur'an explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified. It claims that the Jews became so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ. It is recorded in the Qur'an 4:15,

"They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them."

In his commentary on this verse al-Baydawi said (p. 135),

"A group of Jews cursed Christ and his mother. He invoked evil on them and, may He be exalted, turned them into monkeys and swine. The Jews gathered together to kill him, but God, may He be exalted, informed him (Jesus) that He was going to lift him up to heaven. Thus, (Jesus) said to his companions, `Who would like to have my likeness cast on him and be killed and crucified, then enter the paradise?' One of them volunteered (to do so) and God cast on him Christ's likeness. He was then arrested, crucified and killed. It is also said that (the crucified one) was a traitor who went with the mob to guide them to Christ (he meant Judas), thus God cast on him the likeness of Jesus and he was arrested, crucified and killed."

Al- Baydawi is not the only one who records these mystical stories, but all Muslim scholars who attempt to interpret the above verse, plainly state that Jesus was not crucified. The Qur'an has ignored not only the records of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and the rest of the New Testament, but also all the other chroniclers. It ignores the history of the Roman Empire which documented that a Jewish man by the name of Jesus was crucified during the time of Pilate the Pontius, the Roman Governor who gave way to the demands of the chief priests of the Jews.

It is well known that Christ's trial took place in front of the chief priests and the Roman Governor. It is also common knowledge that the arrested man did not remonstrate and say, "I am not Christ, I am Judas who wanted to betray Him and give Him away to you." All Jesus' words on the cross denote that He was Christ, especially His statement, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Jesus Himself told His disciples that He must be delivered to the chief priests and be crucified, then He would rise from the dead on the third day. Christ Himself foretold that and the crucifixion was fulfilled according to the many prophecies recorded in the Old Testament which predicted His crucifixion centuries before. Christ came to accomplish God's plan for man's salvation.

Therefore, it is not reasonable that six hundred years after Christ's crucifixion, a man should appear and declare to the world (ignoring all the historical evidence) that the one who was crucified was not Christ. This is similar to a man who comes hundreds of years from now to tell us that the one who was assassinated in the twentieth century was not Martin Luther King (or John F. Kennedy or Zia al-Haqq) but rather someone else who looked like him. Of course, nobody would believe him, even if he claimed that the angel Gabriel (or the thunder angel) revealed it to him.[/quote]your openening line shows how obviosly ignorant you are.
u open a thread about the historical errors in the quran and all you can produce is this?

the bible is not an authority on jesus. most of the stories about him are historically and logically inconsisten.t how come the entire narrative on his acsention has been expunged from most recent bible versions as a fabrication?

if u want to talk about historical errors in the quran pls provide cases that can be verified by an authentic historical source independent of the bible or quran.
i challenge you that u will never be able to produce this

noetic2:


I am not very good at engaging bigots in a discussion.

You obviously are not good at anything. like Olabs rightly said, your head is buried in the sand

noetic2:
are these your evidences? I can also see that u are new to nairaland. , . .
if u spend half as much time as u spend on the bible reading your koran. , u would not come across as so ridiculously ignorant.

Another of your evasive manoeuvres. Olab has best described you with Ostritch Synrome. what more evidence can be stronger than verses from the bible. Pls tell me what other manner of evidence u want me to provide. or do u want me to summon christ to come and speak to you in person since his words a recorded in the bible cant make sense to you?

if you or any of your cohorts cant respond to my challange we will considered that the issue of christ divinity is debunked as another wicked fallacy imposed upon christendom

noetic in case you do not understand what i mean by evidence let me give u a simple example

CLAIM-
jesus is God

EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS FALSE-

The Powerless "God"
"I can of mine own self do nothing." (John, 5:30)


A Weak "God":
"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, STRENGTHENING him." (Luke, 22:43)

"The Ignorant God"
”But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark, 13:32)
"And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet." (Mark, 11:12-13)


The not so good “God”
"And behold, one came and said unto him: 'Good master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?'
And he [Jesus] said unto him, 'Why callest thou me good?  There is none good but one, that is God” (Mathew 19:16-17)


The Devil Tempted "God" For 40 Days:
"And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan." (Mark, 1:12-13)

Racist "God":
"The Lion of the tribe of Juda." (Revelation,5:5)
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 15:24)
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather tothe lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 10:5-6)
"It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." (Matthew, 15:26)

Noetic this is what is called evidence. I want you or any of your cohorts to prove to me that these verses are not from the bible or they mean something else.

Pls dont try to evade this time agian by insulting me
All i need is a cogent response

noetic, i think Olabs is letting you off to easy by bothering to answer your questions without u giving any evidence for such claims.
in my experience most christians doggedly repeat baseless attacks on islam that were used since medieval times by christian missionaries that knew close to nothing about islam. modern scholarship has debunked all these hilaroius claims as false. i was insisting on your evidence for all those claims for the benefit of all so they dont keep repeating the same jargons without any basis. whenever the muslims in the house make any claims they quote verses in the bible and quran as evidence

olabs has so well answered your question, however your stupidity would have been more obvious and undeniable if you had provided your 'evidence' for all to see

u r so damn predicatable. Lol

i am not the judge in this forum. if they are not lies, pls provide your evidence for all to see?
that way i wont be able to deny it even if i wanted to.
why are you being so evasive

christianity tells us the tale of a son of god born and bred for the sole mission to die for humanity and save us from our sins.
yet we have it recorded in the bible that when the time came he went to hide in the garden of gethsame and told his disciple to tarry and keep watch at the entrance. lets not forget that he earlier told these disciples to sell theIr clothes and buy swords.
he was so scared that his sweath was like beads of blood and started praying that the "cup should pass over him" (too bad God did not have another son to sustitute)
how could this messaih be scared for a mission he was born to fulfill?
and then we heared just before he was about to give up the ghost "Eli Eli Eli, lama sabachtani"- "my God my God my God, why have u forsaken me"
foresook him for what? was he planning to renege on a contract that was sealed since the beginning of time?
MESSAIH INDEED!

on this Major Yeast Brown said

"NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS EVER CONCIEVED OF SO GROTESQUE A NOTION AS IT DOES IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT MAN IS BORN WITH AN HERIDITALE SIN UPON HIM. AND THAT FOR THIS SIN FOR WHICH HE IS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE TO BE ATONED, GOD THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO SACRIFICE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON."

whenever u cant provide an answer u resort to insults. all i asked u for is evidence for your lies
pls stop being evasive.

Noetic you do not need to resort to lies to make your arguement

a. pls give your refernce in the quran for 6, 8 and ten days

b. Allah does not need to send an original injeel, the Quran is correction of the bible plus new revealtion for the whole of humanity(not just for isrealites as in case of ther bible)

c. where did you get this from? pls provide evidence?

d. pls cite any verse in the Quran where Allah says we should kill jews and christians.

if you can provide answers then we can continue from there

noetic2:
there is no iota of fact in the above.

You keep repeating this same style in all your posts. u prefer to dodge facts. pls higlight the points that are untrue and lets discuss.

i cant undrrstand why you guys just cant get it. every race on earth has at least a primitive concept of monothesim. God has sent at least 124,00 prophets to people as guidance. the pagan arabs adulterated the monothesim by introducing lesser gods but still maintaining Allah as the supreme creator.
how come the christian arab b4 the time of mohamamed still call thier god Allah. were they moon worshipers too?

one of the first scholars to discuss the idea of moon-god Allah also discussed in parallel the isreals EL as a sun god citing lot of circumstantial evidences like for the case of the moon god. this sun god has an affinity for bull sacrifices. he related this to the voracious appetite for bull of EL in the old testmament.
1 strongly belive this tendecy towards a god with bovine xteristic was what led the isrealites to make the GOLDEN CALF during the time of Moses as an image of EL. lets say for instance a arhcelogist find the remains of such a diety, he would easily proclaim this as 'evidence'
that EL is a bovine god. Am a geologist and i knw how we build 'facts' based on very circumstantial evidence.

what u guys do not realize is that most of the scholars that propose these absurd ideas are atheist and are only trying to discredit the origin of true religion and God. it is quite dissapointing that some so called christians had to climb on this atheistic bandwagon