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yes! The bible says a sin against the holy spirit (aka The Dove) shall not be forgiven.
It is however ironic that he most insignificant of the trinity Godhead. He is just an errand boy who goes around whispering in peoples ears. He says somthing differnt to the catholic another to jehova witness and to the anglican and presybetrian, seventh day adventist, mormon and all the thousand others such that they cannot agree on a single thing

"No heathen tribe has ever concieved of so qrotesqe a notion that every man is born with an heriditable sin upon him. And for this sin for which he is not personally responsible to be atoned for. God the creator of all thimgs had to sacrifice his only begotten son"

Major Yeast Brown

@tpia, pls stop spewing Vomit!

the title of this thread should have been; Who Really Killed God?
Answer; It was actually a handful of his renegade creatures that killed him.
Maybe they got angry when he stopped providing the free manna of fish and bread!
Lol!

timmy7, you will so burn is hell for your blasphemy.
You will burn for all eternity!

to take a line of fossils and claim that is represents a lineage is not a scientific hypothesis that is testable.
Up till this date, scientist are yet to provide us with any empirical evidence for evolution

@Reconize, is that why ou guys celebrate immorality and ordian gay bishops?
And also hate islam for its rigorous rigidity

sunkiss, nice one!
By the time the world realized the bluffs of darwin it was too late. The 'most repectable' scientist had already swallowd this hypothesis hook , liine and sinker. Even when they realized it was all a fallacy, their pride would not let them admit. They had to spin the outrageous fabrications to preserve this myth cos it had become a dogma. It had become a religion

Kolaxy, dont you get it!
He was the way not the destination
just as moses was the way and mohammed[b] is[/b] the way
the common denomenator is that God is the destination

@timmy7 pls say something else. We have heard that before. The dumb ones like you have been programmed to repeat such allegations without pausing to think; what is there to copy from a confused book? A compliation of forty anonymous writers aided by a confused spirit. This is no match for the eloquence and beauty of the quran
Am sure you are one of those fools that have never read the quran but have been programmed to fear and hate it.

cHeMiCaL mEnAnCe:
The issue of religion is simple. I call on the name of JESUS when I pray and I receive my answer. We've all seen miracles in churches. Not all of them are fake. I've seen and felt GOD through JESUS. If HE wasn't GOD, would I have been able to feel HIM when I call on HIS name? MY point is this, when you call on Allah or mohammed, do you ever get an answer? Have you witnessed signs and wonders in the mosque? If you have, I'll love to hear about it coz life is a quest for knowledge and truth. I've already discovered the ultimate knowledge and truth in JESUS CHRIST and I"m not searching. If you can convince me of the ingenuity of your mode of worship, I'll like to hear what you have to say

jesus  said
"many will say onto me in that day. Lord Lord have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name. And done many wonders in your name?
And then i will declare to them, 'i never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!"

O worshippers of christ! Fear ALLah and fear that day when this shall become your portion!

crying for sinners indeed!
I remember it sounded something like
my God, my God, my God why have you forsaken me?
Sounds like a helpless wimp to me

Nezan, now it is mithra that copied christianity. I have given up on you

the reason i like Nezan is that he knows how to present a stupid argument with so much dignity that one is tempted to take him seriosly. He has so much enslaved himself to the dogma of xtianity that he conjures the most ludicrous explanations to escape obvious facts.
You have the right to post whatever u want but i know your conscience cannot deny the truth.

Nezan:
^^ Your favourite can never be in a word, your favourite is that your mind have been programmed by islam, that is why some of you can commit heinous terrorist acts, killing people and believing that you will have 70 virgins in paradise.

The Son and the Father are one. This unity is a perfect one, that was why the Son could not do anything by himself alone without communing with the Father. Jesus is wishing that we, his followers should be one with Him just as He is one with the Father. Meaning we should unite, we should love ourselves in perfect unity, and we should love him. In everything that we do, we should not do anything by ourselves without communing with Him, just as He was doing with the Father based on their unity. That was why Jesus even summarised the laws into two: Love for God, and love among ourselves . . . . there can be no unity without love!

Nezan, listen to yourself. Does your post make any sense to you.
A drowning man will clutch at straws.

Nezan:
^^ What you wrote is typical of a perversed muslim mind . . . just like mohammed who was as ignorant and sexually perversed.

The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in John 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is the meaning attached to its use in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son." Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16. In fact, John is the only New Testament writer who uses this word in reference to Jesus (see John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus was the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses this word to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters through faith.

The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," that are descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms used to help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

Nezan, as usual you have gone round in one big circle. If u tell me jesus is unique as you claim isaac was a unique son of abraham i agree with you. Even though you, i and jesus are all sons of God we must consider jesus as a big brother cos he is more unique and holy than we can ever be.
The problem comes when to try to raise a creature to the level of the creator by ascribing ulterior meanings to  begotten [/b]as different from [b]created. Pls tell us, was jesus created or not?

Nezan:
In as much as I know you will not take your time to rationally read this because of the way your islamic mind is programmed, I will just explain it for the benefit of others. When we call Jesus Son of God, what do you think is the implication? the simple implication is that God is His father . . . or are you too dumb to understand? The Son and the Father are also of one essence, see John 14:10 Jesus said, "I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the work . . . .  This means that since the son is in the Faather and the Father is God, the Son is also God, and he received his divinity through his been of one essence with the Father. His calling the Father His God i just a form of respect, because He derived His divinity out of the Father.

You muslims are slaves of allah, but for us Christians, we are worthy to call God our Father because Jesus, the Son redeemed us with His innocent blood and brought us to the Father, that is why we can now proudly call him our Father.

first of all you ignored my question and jumped off to quote a 'safer verse'. You can run but cant hide. Now lets go there
jesus said "that they may all be made one. [b]Like [/b]thou Father art in me. I in them, they in me. That they may be one in us'

my favorite word in this verses is LIKE. Our dear jesus uses the same power of similie to explain this to us like children
Nezan are u without conscience?

The xtian tells us jesus is begotten not made
they claim Adam and evry other man was made and that jesus was beggoten.
But when we ask, what does this begotten mean? They cant answer, cos deep in their hearts they knw what it implies but they are too ashmed to admit that their God had to condescent to the lower animal function of [b]sex [/b]with a mere mortal!

paul was a very smart guy who rode on the Glory of jesus to earn cheap popularity. Jesus said to peter 'thou art cephas, And on you i will build my church". Then uncle paul comes out of the blues claiming to have an encounter with christ. A man whom he never met when he was alive. Just go through the differnt narrations of his encounter and  the contradictions and inconsitencies are obvious. He went ahead to write over half of new testament blatantly opposing the teachings of christ.
The guy is just a liar. Here is what he has to say for himself
"If i lie to the glory of God where do they still judge me a sinner"

@Recognize, are you sane at all? What are you blabbing about.  Your god is not powerful enough to communicate that he has to become a chicken to talk to chickens. A true creator is supposed to understand the language of chickens better than chickens. This trinity thing really turns you guys to retards.
Meanwhile you have still not answered my question.

davidylan:
I'm not interested in answering. Wonder why muslims are so obsessed with the bible anyway, where did you drop your quran?

u are such a weakling. I trust Nezan will give it a shot no matter how remote

you see! Another response from our dear Davidylan. Not suprised!
u will never be able to answer even if you tried
the challange is on!

[quote author=Indirah? link=topic=342073.msg4812812#msg4812812 date=1256683859]Jesus is God. QED.[/quote]Am i suprised by your response? No!
If all the xtians on NL were to gather together, they can never answer my request, cos the meaning is so plain and free from ambiguity.
Here jesus uses the simplest of language to explain his relatioship with God. He uses the power of similie
just as God is our Father so is he that of Jesus. Just as he is our God, so is he Jesus God

Nezan and friends, can any of you explain what jesus meant when he said to his disciples
'i am returning to my Father [/b]and [b]your Father, my God [/b]and [b]your God'

Nezan, why are exposing xtianity. I have been able to make two conclusions from your post
1. You admited that story of jesus is similar to mithra but not as similar as shakerz has made us to believe
2. In a desperate attempt to boost your argument you also confirmed that xtianity has pagan element. Which am sure you would never have accepted in a direct confrontaion on the same issue

sincerly i really pity christians. The kind of perplexing thoughts that must be going on in their heads
is jesus actually a prophet of God or son of God or God or all three at the same time?
They are willing to live with this confusion because they are so lazy. They want to continue to believe somone died for their sins.
Its shameful!

Plagarism indeed!
What is there to plagarize from a confused book?

nezan, what you fail to realize is that science and history are progressive feilds. Wat we know to be true today can be mdiofied or even disproved tomorow. Even the almighty theories of einstein are continually being modified in the light of new findings.

As per the issue of mud bricks and crucifixion, we can only know as much as history preserves for us. It is obvious that historians and scientists alike keep pushing back the dates of events like first coins, first baked bricks, first wheel, 'first' humans etc. I saw a documentry about what appears to be a battey cell found discovered among solomons ruins. What was solomon doing with a battery? Historians are beginning to understand that what we are today is not the peak of human civilization. There is strong evidence to suggest that some ancient civilization were more kwoledgabe than us and probably surpassed our technological acheivments.
Scientist used to see animal as mindless robots. We now know ants 'talk' in the most complex of ways and live in extremely organized and complex societies. Because Nezan cannot understand them does not mean David couldnt.

Notwithstanding the changing faces of history and science, there are some axiomatic fact that no amount of research or time can change. The  amazing thing is that the quran agrees 100% with these. There is lot of history that had the quran as the only source. Xtian sholar used to call them fairytales until new finding confirmed them as facts. For example

the people of Iram
the dwellers of the cave
Haman an accomplice of pharoah
preservation of pharaoh body
that early egyptian ruler were called kings and not pharoah.
The list is endless

science
human embrayology
movement of celestial objects in orbiits
that male gamete determines a baby's sex
creation of the universe from a single unit
worker bees are female
death of stars- supernova
space travel
etc

the miraculous thing is that the quran does not repeat the axiomatic blunders contained in the bible, like

plants created before the sun
tower of babel etc

nezan admited that errors in the bible are being corrected by science and history. This is not the case with the quran. The quran does not need science to endorse, the reverse is the case

nezan if you ask me how muhammed split the moon. I will tell you the same way moses split the red sea and jesus walked on water

nezan, what you fail to realize is that science and history are progressive feilds. Wat we know to be true today can be mofied or even disproved tomorow. Even the almighty theories of einstein are continually being modified in the light of new findings.

As per the issue of mud bricks and crucifixion. It is obvious that historians and scientists alike keep pushing back the dates

the creed of islam is free from ambiguity and is a true testimony to the unity and magnificience of God

kunleosob, thanks for your honesty