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nezan, i really doubt if you understand any english. The title of this thread is Godson et al, where are the contradictions in the quran?
If u want to compare the quran with the bible or cite historical 'errors' pls open a new thread (where u surely will be crucified).  if u still dont understand pls check Godson's posts. Even though he himself is doing a bad job at it

Allah is great!

Just ysterday i was watching a documentry about a series of experiment conducted on animal slaughter by some syrian scientists. They selectively pronounced loudly 'Allahu akar' on some animals before slaughtering and on some they did not. They finally carried out series of test on the meats of these animals. The results were amazing!

100% of the samples on which Allah's name was called showed no trace of tissue poisoning or bacterial growth. While those on which Allah's name was not called showed very high level of bacterial growth and blood poisoning and when consumed it is likely to cause sickness and disease. This experiment was repeated by leading medical scientist across the world and the results were overwheminly identical.

It was discovered that once the animals heard the name of Allah pronounced they calm immediately and their blood pressure droped to nearly zero and tissue contraction ensued immediatly. This way, the animal is completly drained of of blood and no poisoning of tissue occured. It was as if the animal were happy to fulfil a convenant they had made with Allah to serve as food for mankind. Even to the extent that these animals willingly entered the slaughter train without any struggle once thay heard 'Allahu akbar'

this experiment is simple and repeatable. I challenge anyone who denies the signs of Allah to try it. HE will never fail in his promise

may Allah bless Ahmed Deedat for setting the stage. I must admit sheik zaik is more knowledgable and vast. But i am yet to meet a muslim (in recent times) as great as Ahmed Deedat. He did so much for islam and restored our pride and confidence.

lol!
Godson is this your best shot? Or are are u saving the best for the last? I am disapointed in you. Am equaly tempted to respond to you but like sir olabowale i will give abdulbanat the pleasure of nailing your coffin.

may Allah bless u for opening this jhread. Now this issue will be settled once and for all. Godson, noetic, kunleosob etc pls bring it on. No generalization or diversion from topic. And pls quote specific verses for any claim of 'contradiction' made

so much for the three hundred plus prophecies. The name 'Jesus' was not even mentioned in one. No wonder the jews are still expecting their messiah

the case of the alleged mary, aaron confusion is similar to that of haman and pharaoh.
The quran narrated the story of haman a close associate and friend of phoaroh whom pharoah ordered to build a tall structure for him so he challange God of moses.

The xtians claimed this was another confusion by muhammed since the only mention of haman in the bible was in the book esther as concellor to the persian king xeres some 1,100 years apart from pharoah.

This set the stage for series of allegations that muhammed confused stories in his plagarism of the bible. However as Allah would have it The Rosseta Stone was found and egyptian heiroglyfics was decoded. This opened a new light in the writtings of ancient egypt. And lo and behold the name haman was recorded as a friend of pharoah and the head of the stoner builders. The quran has prevailed again

'do they not consider the quran with care, had it been from one other than Allah you would have found within it much contradiction'

huxley:
Can you show us examples of these so-called failed experiments?  Or are you just making that up?  Show us references of such experiments and explain why you consider them a failure.

Do you know about the new Nylon eating bacteria?  Where did this new ability to eat nylon come from?

just google up Drosophilla and you will learn the whole story.
Stop getting confused about nylon eating bacteria or human resitance to HIV. These are all examples of variation not speciation. No matter how much nylon or glass bacteria eats, bacteria will always remian bacteria. That is why they have remained unchanged for over 1 billion years despite being the most mutant of organisms

science is a progressive field. What was believed to be 'fact' toaday may be debunked 2moro.
For instance a couple of decdes ago geologist  'knew' basalt crysalized from ocean water
scientists also 'knew' the universe is timeless.
We all knw today these are not true.
Evoultion however does not even qualify as a theory cos to take a line of fossils and claim that it represents a lineage is not a scienific hypothesis that is testable.
There has been several futile attempts to create empirical evidence for evolution.
an example is the case of drosophillia (fruit flies) that hve been bombarded with so many kinds of radiation to induce evolution for the past sixty years. Considering a species that produces a new genation evry 7 days, this is a lot of time. However this experiment has remained unfruitful. Not even a single new enzyme has appeared!

science is a progressive field. What was believed to be 'fact' toaday may be debunked 2moro.
For instance a couple of decdes ago geologist  'knew' basalt crysalized from ocean water
scientists also 'knew' the universe is timeless.
We all knw today these are not true.
Evoultion however does not even qualify as a theory cos to take a line of fossils and claim that it represents a lineage is not a scienific hypothesis that is testable.
There has been several futile attempts to create empirical evidence for evolution.
an example is the case of drosophillia (fruit flies) that hve been bombarded with so many kinds of radiation to induce evolution for the past sixty years. Considering a species that produces a new genation evry 7 days, this is a lot of time. However this experiment has remained unfruitful. Not even a single new enzyme has appeared!

nezan. What is your problem?
You have no problem that jesus, a man without a father was called son of david and son of josph
you have no problem that  jesus a man without a geneology was given two seperate genealogies of which no two of the 66 names are the same.

But you are breaking your head cos quran called maryam sister of Aaron

pls tell me what your problem is

noetic, your stupidity is phenomenal. Olabowale has answered this same question more than a zillion times and u keep repeating it like an slowpoke. U have deliberatly not quoted the verses so that ur stupidity is not imediatly obvious

huxley
typical evasive manuevers. You are trying to dodge eh! This is all you could come up with after 3 days of silence because you have been conered. You could have at least taken the pains of doing your typical copy and past instead of referring me to some website. Would it make sense if i equaly responded by referring you to some creationist websites?
Nairaland is for discussions and not exchange of websites. Next time dont start a topic if you havent the guts to sustain it.

brother keep up the good job. May Allah soften their hearts to his words

Atheists:
DNA analysis of how pathogens evolve produces useful information for combating the outbreak and spread of disease. Accelerated evolution in laboratories has improved vaccines and other therapeutic proteins. An understanding of the evolutionary dynamics determines scientists' ability to survey and control the virus.

'acclerated evolution'?pls how does bioenginerring relate to evolution?

paul paul! The author of all the confusion in xtianity

bolanleodu:
no point arguing with you seeker, go and rest boy or do something else and stop this religious fanaticism and bigotry

u guys are jst a bunch of closed minded hypocrites. That is why u will alwys remian a puching bag for the atheist. It is no news that the bible is scientifically inconsistent.

Noahs flood was just a simple case of exageration as is rife with the bible. Yes a flood did happen but it was not universal as narrated in the bible. The quran correctly narrates that it was local similar to sodom and gommorah. This local flood has been tentatively confirmed by scientist working in the mediterenean basin. If the creator of this thread had read the quranic narration he would not have bothered creating it.

Pls try get used to the fact dat the quran is correct and the bible wrong at least on this.
There is no need to start putting out ur frustration on the seeker

huxely i quite apprecite your honest responses. Am a bit handicaped cos my pc crashed and have been following up on  my phone 4 d past few day so i may not be able provide detailed sources and research documents. I wil however provide u with strong arguements u cant refute. Also inserting quotes is proving a bit of a challenge on my phone browser. Am sure u will be able to match my responses to yours.

Like i said ealier it does not matter how many number of phd thesis was done. The point is that this fraud escaped detection for 50 years. Yet enough 'research' was done to establish its righful place on the human  family tree. How were they able to establish this from a forged skull of an orangutan and a man.  This shows a willingness and desperacy of evolutionist to accept anything as evidence as long as it furthers their cause. This is the reeason several frauds have passed unnoticed.


Answers to ur questions

1. Mamalian Fossil were not found before cambrian simply because God had not created them. god is sytematic and created things in stages. Are u aware that some toads hve more dna per cell than man? Thou u may claim man man is the 'peak' of evolutn. Our dna is not the most complex.

2. I sincerly dont understnd wat u mean by hind limbs. Do u mean dorsal fins cos i have neva heard of whale with legs.

3. Placentals are not found in australia cos God did not put them there. Are u aware that masurpial mice and fox are very identical to their mamalin cousins. How is this possible?


Are u aware how complex the trilobites eyes are? Although very diff in structure yet its complexity rival that of humans
i admit that i misplaced optic nerves for photo cells. My argument however still hold. How did photo cells evolve into the human eye which we knw is ireducibly complex

what explanatn do u need abt human races. Ok negroid, causacoid. Mogoloid etc are human races. because we can interbreed we belong to same species. Did homosapins interbreed with neanderthal? Yes. Same species diff race.

U have set up urslf by repeating this precambrian crap. Yes birds and mamals were abseent in precambrian. But how come complex species just appeared out of nowwhere without any apparent 'ancestors'?

It is obvois u hav no understanding of punctuated equilibrum. Stephen jay gould and neil deredge prosed this theory to explain absence of intermidiary forms. Being geologists they knew geological records were more or less compplete and this could not be used as an excuse for absence of missing links. They had to propose a theory whre massive mutation occured and intermediary forms  were few. This theory gained popularity among geologist but biologist proved it wrong.
U stll have not answered my question regaring the fact that intermediry forms(based on mainstream evolutn)  btw single specis A and B are expected to be in the thousands yet we find fossils of A and B, but these intermediaries remain elusive.
Abt the blind cave fish. God created it witout eyes cos it did no need them in the dark. He however gave it other complemntary senses.


u av answered my questions poorly

1. U  apear to be well read. D reason you have not come across explantn of evolutn of behaviour is that evolutionist have not found a way to get aroun the riddle.

2. I am not asking u how  sexual selection chose the first peacok with a pattern tail aginst one witot such tail. Am asking u how mindless mutation could have created such perfect and dizzingly complex pattern.

3. All the examples u gave me of humman mutations are just examples of resitance to disease. Our bodies were designed to do that. Have u heard of immunization? Lol

4. The bacteria so baffled a leading evolutionist that he has to confess 'what use is their incessant mutation if they do not produce evolutionary change'

5. Pls look up for my ealierr explanatn of cambrian explosion. What were the 'ancestors' of these complex organism tht appeared out of nowhere

6. I knw drosophillia has not evolved cos after 60 yrs of scintist trying to induce evoultn in it, not even a single new enzyme has appeared

u. I will let u free on the origin of life cos it will ever elude u and fellow evolutionists

gameaddict thanks for the advice. I undrstand that i have hurt ur feelings but pls if u have nothing meaningful to contribute, pls shut up!

As per the 72 virgins, i really cant wait. Too bad u have no idea how ur heaven is gonna be like. For sure there gonna must be plently clapping and singing. Have u forgotten the jehovah witness said ur heaven is here on earth. Dont worry u can always use my lavish apartment when d time comes. And i wont forget to send you a post card with photos of me and my luvly virgins

huxly before i start with u let me warn u dat i am well researched in paleontolgy and evolution so u cannot just dump junk u googled up on me. I expext that u should at least have the intelligence to read through your post and compress it to a comprehsible volume. nairaland is not for copy and paste but for intelligent discusions and arguements.
My responses

1. It does not matter whether it was 50 Phd thesis or 500. I might even excuse u for what the motive of the forger was. It just proves how closed minded evolutionist are. This skull sat in the museum of natural history for 50 years but nobody cared to properly date(which would hav exposed the fraud) it instead they were busy writting thesis and drawing photos and tell us what this fossil eat and how it lived. There are countless examples of fogery or misrepresentations like nebraska man, embrayonic recapitulation theory, peppered moth story etc. Most of these are still deliibertly repeated as evidence of evolution even after the hoax was discovered. The problem is evoulutionist manufacture 'facts' from what is at best circumstantial evidence.
When it comes to evolutn and creation they act as if the hav neva heard of the theory of multiple working hypothesis.

5. The eye and other organs of irreducible complexity will always remain a problem for evolutionist. My arguement is not whether differnt complexities of eye type does not occur in nature as u r making it seem. The point is a human eye for example could neva have evolved from an optic nerve. How can a human eye function without a lens or partly developed one or a retina of cornea etc. This defied explanation.

2. First of all i neva said neanderthal and homo sapiens i said neanderthals and cromagnon. Mind u evolutionist ealier assumed neandethals were ancestors of homosapiens until overlap in time proved them wrong. same is beginning to hapen in case of cromagnon and neanderthals.

3. Missing links? Am sure if evolutions found a bat fossil (assuming bats dont exist today) they would tag it as a missing link btw mamals and bird .
I am so suprised that u claim to knw anything abt evolutn and call achopteryx a missing link.
something intersting happens often in evoultionary circles. One they find a 'missing link' they jubilate for the world to see. After a few year of thorough rsearch and criticism(by open minded scientists) it is uncermonously withdrawn as a fake or misrepresentation.
missing link is a series of thousands of transitns from a point A to a point B where a new species can be said to have formed. The implicatn of this is that we expect millions more fossils of the intermedies compared to Species A or B. So how come we cant find any (that is tangible) and we have plently of A and B?

4. It is obvious u knw nothing about punctuated equilibrum. Why are u always lying. I neva claimed it refuted evolution. I only said it confimed its flaws in an attempt to fix it.
It claims tht orgsnisms remian stable for a long time( stasis) then undergo massive mutation to another species hence no need for intermediry forms. This theory however failed cos biologist could not comprehend such massive mutation

5 the eye and other organs of ireducible complexity will always remian a problem for evolutionist. My arguemnt is not whether diff complexities of eyes do not occur in nature are u r making it seem. My point is, a human eye for example could neva have evolved from an optic nerve. Can a human eye function without a lens or a partly developed one or a retina or cornean or pupil or any of the over 20 vital parts. This defies explanation.

having answered all your responses, i have a few questions for u

how did behaviours (something virtual) evolve?
how did patterns and designs evolve? Darwin said in a letter to his friend 'the sight of the peacoks tail makes me sick'
give me one example of positive mutation in humans (apart from sickle cell. Lol)
why has the bacteria remained unchanged for 1 billion years? Despite being the most mutant of organisms
what happened in the cambrian explosion?
How come drosphilia has showed not evolutn in the labs despite bombardment by scientis with rays for over sixty years. A pecies that produces a new genearipn every 7 days
And finally how did life originate?

The problem with evulutionist is that in a desperate attemp to exclude God thet have chosen to believ in ludicrous fairytales. They prefer to ascribe the magnificience and glory of life to NATURE. If only they could replace that word with GOD

lol. Are u guys angry cos i hurt ur feelings or am telling u the truth? I knw its hard to admit the facts that ur bible is wrong. This disease of denial is rife with xtiandom.
Scientist are claim the noah story if false cos the bible exagerated. The quran however give a more scientificaaly plausible explantion and u guys are not happy abt it. The same reason the origin of the universe eluded humanity for eons until recently (big bang theory) only to find out it was recoded in the quran 1400 hundred yrs ago.

Pls drop ur toga of pride and stop repaeating what ur orientialist hve been telling u abt the quran being plagarized. U all have deliberately ignored my early post outlining some errors in the bible and challenging why muhammed had not copied these errors but instead correect them

noetic15:
what a brainless fraud  

1. There is a difference between the sonship of Jesus as stated above . .  . .look here : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-308992.0.html

2.can u illustrate the lineage of Mary that links her to Aaron in the koran? . . .  .and why did allah  stop having priests?  

u hav proven severaly that u lack d ability to argue with reason or logic. I will jst ignore u

Nezan:
See me see delusion. Did mohammed not plagiarize the Bible? Who told him about Noah's flood? Abraham, et al. Why was he mistaken Mary, the mother of Jesus for Miriam, Aaron's sister. You people are just plain funny.

why r u displaying your ignornance. The answer to your question is in your bible. Was not jesus called son of god. Son of david. Son of joseph and so on. So how many fathers did he have? Mary is sister of Aaron being from the lineage of the preistly family of Aaron.

Use your head!

huxley:
You can conceive of anything you want but is it possible.  Is there any evidence that evolution has direction and purpose?  If it is a guided process, why are there so many dead-ends; why so many extinction; why so many bad designs?

Darwin made no such admission.  Theists never actually quote the full paragraphy.  Darwin actually only raise the question, only to provide the answer in the next paragraphy.  It is really intellectual dishonesty when I see people make this point.

If even if it were true that Darwin really doubted the possibility of the evolution of the eye, it does not falsify the theory.  Scientific theories are not like your metaphsysical dogma whose validity is based on the teachings of the progenitor.  Even if Darwin would have rejected Evolution later, it does not mean that evolution is false.

another liar. Darwin did say 'if organs of irreducible complexity can be found to exist, my theory would definately fail'. The eye. kindey are only a few. These organs and a host of others are practicaly useless if a single part is mising. How then could such organs have evolved. Evolution is just sensless fairytales

huxley:
The gap in the fossil record does not present a serious challenge to evolution nowadays.  There will always be gaps because only a very very small fraction of animals fossilise, less than 0.05%.  

If you think that this is a real problem, what explains the fact that a great deal of prediction about ancient species are being found daily, yearly all over the world?  The scientists who study these things make specific prediction about which species and where to find them - and lo & below, when they go there and look long and hard enough, they find them.

this is a big lie. Darwin hoped that these missing links would be found to validate his theory. When paleontologists could not find these fossils they claimed the fossils recods were incomplete.
Although  not all creatures that lived are fossilized but geologist have concluded that the records are in fact complete at least for the purpose of creating an evolutionary lineage. To solve the problem of missing fossils a prominent american paleotologists steven gay gould proposed the theory of punctuated equilibrum. Acoding to this theory oorganisms evolve by phyletic evolution and not microevolution (this requires many intermediate fossils) as propsed by darwin. The mechanics is that a fish goes to bed, suffers a huge mutation and wakes up as an amphibian (this analogy is jst for the purpose of explanation).

This initially was welcomed by all scientist as a solution. Further analysis by biologist reveaalsed a seroius flaw. A small mutation is baad enough for an organism but a huge mutation is very distatrous and that the small populations required for this theory to work would lead to inbreeding and spread of disease. This theory has failed and brought down the entire evolution theory with it. Stephen jay unintentionally exposed the flaw in a theory he was trying to save. He had made scientist to honestly admit the fact that fossils records was complete leaving them high and dry with his failed theory.

This is similar to what Goberchev did with communism in russia. In an attempt to fix communism he exposed the flaws that finally collapsed it

evolution! A theory in crisis
they found ardi and are all so excited. They think we have forgotten what happened to lucy, piltdown man and nebraska man.

The skull of piltdown man was hailed as one of those ever evasive missing links to human ancesotrs. It sat in the british museum of natural history 50 yrs and over 500 PHD thesis was written about. We saw lots of beautiful diagrams of how these 'ancestors' must have lived even up to details of their likely diet. Finally a shocker came! This was another hoax by evolutionist to strengthen their religion. I was discoverd this skull was a forgery built from remains of an oranguntang and a man. Can u imagine?

The fossil of nebraska man was actually a single 'molar' and an entire story of early human ancestors was built on this similar to piltdown man. Guess what? It was later discoverd to be the tooth of a pig!

There is no doubt that neanderthals. Cromagnon. And the likes were just diff races of humans. This will make more sense to you if you compare the skeletons of a negroid an inuit, a caucasiod and a pgymy from africa to realize that the differences are more stark than those of modern humans and their alleged ancestors.

Recent discoveries of serious ovelaps in time of 'modern humans' and their alleged ancestors is beginning to cause serious headaches for evolutionist.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=332006.msg4657998#msg4657998 date=1254559953]What the hell are you talking about?

If I'm looking for info on the noah myth do I go to the original script of the jews who fabricated the story or some plagiarised version written thousands of years later by a pedophile prophet?

Muslims/arabs are an embarrassment. . . .you go stealing the myth, fables and writings of a totally different culture and claim to be an authority on their own myths. . .how sick is that?

BTW, is it not the same quaran that said mohammed split the moon in two?
Only a retard without common sense would believe that and I aint one. . . .[/quote]science has a lot to learn from religion. It is actually so sad that since the bible is so full of crap the quran is assumed to be the same cos it was 'plagarized' from the bible. Until this sick notion of plagarism is cleard there will alway be a stumblig block. I want any of you to give me a single very verse that was copied from the fairytales of the bible.
What is there to copy?
Is is that plants were created before the sun?
Or
that a universal flood occured at the time of noah?
Or
tht the rulers of egypt were called pharaohs during the time of joseph or rightly as kings as the quran stated.
Or that the earth is 6000 years old?
Or that man was created before animal?

I have always wondered what kind of a genius muhammed must have been to have copied only the accurate parts of the bilbes and correct  the fallacies. How he could have spoken accurately abt emrayonic developments', anatomy of ocean waves or something as grand as the big bang theory
How he could have written a book 100% scientifcally  and historically correct having copied from the mess you call the bible.

I need your answers

scientists have found a distinctive clay marker in the mediterrenean basin characteristic of such flash floods. Suggesting a goelogically brief but extensive flood in the basin. Archeological evidence also points out that a human civilzation was also wiped out by this disaster.

The problem with the bible is that it is always given to exagerrations. A local event is narrated as a global extinction similar to the permian extinction or that at the end of the cretaceous. Asumming the bibble were to narrate the incidence of the versuvius volcano in pompeii it would have blown it out of proportion to global levels. This would have left scientists dumbfounded as to how a small volcano in italy would have destroyed the whole earth.

The quran however cleary narrated that the flood only affected the people of noah and not the whole world. The same way the destruction of peopl of lot in sodom and gommorah was local and did not affect abraham and his people or even other parallel civilizations

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=332006.msg4657684#msg4657684 date=1254550793]It now means Noah saved the dinosaurs too. . . . That guy get liver oo[/quote]use your common sense. noah did not have to carry dinosaurs cos they perished 65 million years ago, long before man ever walked the earth, He did not have carry polar bears or kangaroos or girrafes either cos as the quran narrated, the flood did not cover the entire world but only the vicinity around noah and his people. That is why records show that contemporary civilizations like tht of egypt were unbroken during the time of the flood

macIB:
@ the seeker

until you come to terms that this Noah story is a myth,

you will just be conjuring up unwarranted explanation for incidents that never existed.

Dont dull yourself with this holy books (bible and quran) mythology and sometimes folklores!

am a geolosist and know what am talking abt. Pls dnt categorize the quran with the bible. The quran is in a class of its own

[quote author=Riff-Raff link=topic=332006.msg4656307#msg4656307 date=1254516328]How exactly did Noah Carry 2 Whales and how big was d Ark?[/quote]Noah did not carry whales or the entire animal and plant kingdom in the ark as wrongly recorded by the bible. Scientist make a mockery of the Noah flood because the bible wrongly cliams it was universal flood and every thing on earth outside the ark perished

the quran however correctlyy narrated that the flood was local only to the people of Noah and environs. Meaning his conservation efforts is only for native species and there was no break in human civilization.  scientist have  conclusively  confirmed that an extensive flood occured in the mediternean basin during this time

this is just one of the few example of how bible makes religion a joke in the face of science. The quran on the other hand is 100 % scientifically and historically accurate.
I am open to any challanges(with evidence) on the contrary

KunleOshob:
@image123
I only wis you and other deluded pentecostals know what it truely means to be born again and live a glorious christlike life free from deception and hypocrisy which as now become the hall mark of most pentecostal churhes. You may not know but you guys are doing more harm to christianity than even atheist who have no clue.

did the holy spirit inspire u to compare your fellow xtians to atheist?
U see as i told u ealier the holyspirit is the souce of all the confusion in christiandom. he was supposed to lead you into 'all truth' yet he whispers something different to the catholic another to the mormon and the jehovah witness and the babtist and the pentecost and all the many thousand denominations such that u cant even agree on what born again means. And each sect believes the others will go to hell.

Anyway was anyone expecting any thing more from a dove? Sorry i meant GHOST