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[size=16pt]In the 1960s, research and development (R&) in oil palm breeding began to expand after Malaysia's Department of Agriculture established an exchange program with West African economies and four private plantations formed the Oil Palm Genetics Laboratory.[/size][24] The Malaysian government also established Kolej Serdang, which became the Universiti Putra Malaysia (UPM) in the 1970s to train agricultural and agroindustrial engineers and agribusiness graduates to conduct research in the field.

In 1979 with support from the Malaysian Agricultural Research and Development Institute (MARDI) and UPM, the government set up the Palm Oil Research Institute of Malaysia (Porim),[25] a public-and-private-coordinated institution, meaning Porim is run by representatives from government and industry[26] B.C. Sekhar was appointed founder and chairman. Porim's scientists work in oil palm tree breeding, palm oil nutrition and potential oleochemical use. Porim was renamed Malaysian Palm Oil Board in 2000.

I am quite sure Malaysia has palm seedlings from Nigeria...i will find precisely factual sources and post it soon.

The woman probably does not know what she is saying and her position does not give her any form of credibility either. it does not mean that there were no oil palms in Malaysia then but the techniques and seedling which was had precisely for commercial production was from west Africa and most probably Nigeria.

The US is doing a good job in destroying the peace and livelihoods of the people of Syria. At the end of the Day they will come to tell us that Syrians hate them because of their Freedom, can you imagine this kind of useless lie ?

The leaders of tomorrow.

What goes around comes around.

lucky Don: From my observations here,u guys are all anti Americans.U all have forgetten the heavy price that American servicemen paid for the actualisation of freedom as from the second world war.
I know they are not saints but their sacrifices must always be appreciated.

Sorry we are not fooled by all that charade. They paid the price to be the next tyrant, please go and study your 2WW history again to find out the real reasons why US entered the war in the first place. No country has invaded US since the its Independence and all the wars the US has ever gotten involved in since after the second wold war actually to destroy the freedom of the people involved.

onila: now pastors tell the Nigerian youth. .you are not progressing because U watch masquerades

you cant get married because you have been married to masquerades in the spirit world etc

u know pple believe everything their pastors say

yeah i have noticed that , people are now told that many of their surnames binds them to evil spirit and you see many of your young men changing their family to ridiculous things like Collins,Mcpepple, Edwards,Moses and Joshua. one of my friends wife changed all her kids Igbo name to english with her belief that those names had links to backward spirits, she changed Ikechkwu to Godspower, Uchechukwu to Godswill and Chukwuebuka to Greatgod.It took the intervention of her family to stop my friend from divorcing her. she would not even speak Igbo with the kids and forces them to speak English at home.. .......I don't really understand how her pastor made her to believe that anything linked to her culture is evil.

onila: going to the village to participate in cultural activities like masquerades, doing village things

these days many Nigerian youths rather spend their xmas in Abuja, Porttharcort and lagos rather than in their village

I noticed fewer youths participate in the masquerade movement. i remember early 80's to mid 90's the whole family use to go back to Nigeria just for the festivals, I am from Anambara but we use to visit Arondizuogu , Arochukwu, Nando and Umuoji, there use to be a very huge turnout then . now not so much.

@noblezone

I am not pro-Biafra but dude you are really convincing me here, I think someone has to be wicked and a liar to dispute most of the things you have said. it is really sad we are in this state.

noblezone: I know I did not have a hand in putting Nigeria together, but the hands that put Nigeria together were all wicked and selfish hands!

Pure truth!

NairaMinted: Enjoy...

Actually most Africans see nothing wrong in all these, that makes you wonder where we would be after 2016.

GH KWAME: Yes I agree I goofed in that aspect, I wanted to modify it but it was already quoted. And please which roads? You want to convince me that proceeds from selling 0f cows would be used to construct roads? Who will cater cater for thirteen(13) wives and uncountable children?

(1) It was not a very good thing for the Eurpoeans to have dehumanised the black race, but before the Europeans came, the african was already conguering tibes and enslaving them, indeed they sold bartered their captured prisoners to the Europeans for rums, mirrors, guns etc.
Yes the Europeans dehumanised our ancestors, but why are their descendants not immigrating enmass to the continent of birth like the Israelis?
The pre and post african has done more dehumanization to the African than what the European did in a century.

(2) Western engineered? Hahaha!!!heheehe!!! The black man always blaming the white man.

Read European accounts of African encounters and you will see the roads I am talking about. Wide trade route was built by the Bini Kingdom from present Bini to as far as the coast of Ghana, One account plainly stated that the roads from the market to the queens house was thrice the width of the street in London. In those days the larger the family the greater the productive capability of that family, nobody takes care of the hundred wives, they take care of themselves and there is abundance to eat from. All family members were engaged in production and people were proud of their hard work instead of the destructive values being taught to us and promoted by the west.
The problem with the likes of you is not ignorance of the truth but an inherent hatred of your identity and the tendency to see bad in all shades of it with the assumption that by so doing you are in a certain mysterious way elevated above your perceived inferiority.

Evidently Africans took slaves from war as any other nation has done throughout the world history, the Romans were legendary on that aspect and their Barbary makes any African nation insignificant, the pre-roman Englishmen on the other hand was just pure barbaric and will eat their slaves alive,burn them on a stake or perform rituals to their many Gods with them.
However what we fail to see in your post was the nature of slavery in Africa before the European encounter and the changes brought about with the European encounter, we did not see where you stated the slavery increased hundred folds with the Europeans, we did not see where the Europeans arm bandits to overthrow chiefs who were against slave trade and then arm the village now under their puppets to raid other villages for slaves, we fail to see the clear distinct difference between the European and African slave Experience . Well you did not tell us anything, instead you just spewed forth the same filth that always comes from brainwashed Africans who knew little about their culture.

The black man is not blaming anybody for anything, truth is told as it is and quip which carry no value does not change anything.
A reference for you: Syria is a stable nation, then the USA armed Islamic terrorist and were trying to overran and overthrow the government of the people of Syria and impose sharia on them(not a bad thing but not advisable in a multi-religious and multi-ethnic society), the USA has been arming them, funding them, training them and providing intelligence for them to achieve their goals.
Now lets assume that they succeed and then the nation degenerate into anarchy as has happened in Libya, decades after decades of civil war and sectarian crisis.
Who would you blame for that then ? When it has been turned into a waste land. Who would you blame from turning a progressive peaceful nation into somewhere uninhabitable by sane human beings ?
Some sentence may sound cool to the ear but when examined closely becomes one the silliest statements an adult should ever make.

kokoA: Chinese men with dia small 'things' Dem wan chop food wey big pass dem.. Lol

It is very interesting in china they will tell you how big your womens ass were, and how big your men's dongs were, then after the whole conversation they will beg you to arrange a black women for them.

I know a Kenyan woman who is voluptuous(breast and ass) she has a long string of Chinese customers who patronize her. someday i will try to talk with her and ask her how they manage to do it with their tiny fingers.

Shalomé: Your statement is Barbaric

You are a barbarian.

GH KWAME: (1) Yes, n0body's throat has been deliberately slit 0pen because 0f their tribal marks, so why the need for such a mark? Tribal marks was/is used as a means to identify friend from foe during tribal wars, and the number of strikes 0n your cheeks will determine whether you are relevant 0n earth.

(2) How long have our african governments complained about
brain drain among our professionals/skilled labour to the western countries?
Have we not as African citizens be cursing our leaders for sending their kids to western schools whilst neglecting our own?
Is this not the best opportunity to pounce on it?

(3) So if our economies are built to service the West, why pretend we are independent by spending lavishly every year in the name 0f Independence day when productivity can be achieved on a holiday?

The difference between our African governments and western governments is their ability to think outside the b0x. Ever seen Obama/Cameron take a holiday 0utside their respective c0untries before? Compare that to 0ur african leaders who have mansions in the western world.


We were cursing Cameron for lobbying our leaders to give legal backing to gays/lesbianism and said our culture
frowns on it, so what will you say if Cameron says immigration policies will be influenced by laws on gays/lesbians?

Have you not watched an african movie where the role of a young man in a village who has never travelled 0utside of his village but has l0cally acquired a western accent?

I will like you to debate for the purpose of enlightenment , none of us are here for word games and this is a very serious issue that we are addressing.

We can see how much effort you have put into twisting your former stance on tribal marks to the latest one about “the need for it”, someone would say you were trying to hard to sound modernized but I would rather agree that you are ignorant of your history and culture. Maybe we can make a list of questions we will like to ask including yours

What is the need for a tribal mark ?
What is the need for a tie ?
What is the need for wearing suit instead of danshiki ?
Why won't everybody wear the same clothes ?
What is the need for a tattoo ?
What is the need for a specific kind of hat when a single kind can serve all purposes ?
In fact what is the need for a name, an identity, a like and dislike ?

I know quite well that your question and the likes I presented above sound extremely silly but I have to resort to that to clarify to our readers(not necessary you) the meaning of culture and as I said “ it is what defines a people” .
A summary of those questions which would also be the height of 5tupidity is the question :
What is the need for Culture ?

You criticized the African leaders too well, however you can not perform a criticism in a vacuum, you can not extract the leaders and deliberately ignore the external influences which in most of the cases are the major factors that shaped the state of African leadership.
You ignore the European engineered coups, the sanctions, the western interventionist policies. You ignored that we had good democratically elected leaders which the west has Assassinated, you fail to appreciate the import of the fact that most of those leaders you talk about were imposed on the people by the same European and western imperialist nations which you praise and by their support and sometimes instructions those leaders has carried out unimaginable atrocities on their people. How you could see only African leaders in this very large picture and nobody else is quite shameful, some might use the word myopic....anyway you choose.

No true African will agree with you that Africa has actually gotten its independence, you can try to argue that with true scholars of African studies, you adoption of such views shows the extent you know about your self as an African since we won't be having the Cultural Erosion problem if Africa is truly independent.

Well...on your last question if Cameroon can clearly illustrate the relationship between homosexuality and immigration then we would have no means to object to his views.
As Fulaman rightly said, it would be very helpful if we can stay on topic as I myself has learnt a lot from the opinion of others on this thread concerning the Original Topic.

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10 years ? i was thinking more like twice of that . you need to see what they do to guys in china just for touching boobs

Hoodrat: Are there no function human right activist in nigeria to stand against the nigerian government for violating the rights of its citizens in so many ways Why stressed the Eurocentric education, negro population control, religion agenda after destroying the culture, taken the nigerian/african people livelihood and made them live like a race of robots with a everyday struggling to survive with no hope for the future in the dungeons of the racist imperialist world and the federal puppets of Nigeria.

Its now obvious that the federal government of Nigeria are nothing but clueless, greedy inferior,puppets satanic, are in support of eugenics. This is all you get when people are conquered and forever silence on obvious fact that oppress, humiliate and rubbish his culture and his people.

even though you are not wrong but i can sense a lot of anger in your post, i myself feel that way at times when i look at the situation but it does not help to just fume. A little alert here and there helps a lot.

Lilimax: Their religious clerics should be forced to say something positive about this polio vaccination as they are the architect behind
there refusal of the vaccine.

Stop blaming the religious clerics, they have an incident that backs their claim which i believe you are oblivious of. the North has been suffering from such occurrences that they know better and some would prefer polio to vaccines because they have seen what can happen when one is not too careful.

Stop talking about them as if they are cows, barbarians and can not reason for themselves, i have found out that the trick that tyrants usually use is to first make their targets seems inferior then run impose their urges on them.

Sery777: SHUT UP AND DONT EVER SAY THIS OUTSIDE BECAUSE UR MUM ALLOWED U TO BE VACCINATED.I GUESS U R HAPPY WHEN U SEE THEM CRAWLING ABOUT AND ASKING FOR ALMS


.TAA NWATA MECHIE ONU

My mom exercised the right to have me vaccinated, and i will tell you this, i remember growing up in France in the 80's when my younger sister was born, the nurses that administering vaccines repeat these words " this is the vaccines for XXXX delivered by the national government of France, you have all right to refuse to be injected, Do you want me to proceed and inject you ?" they say this for every single person that was in the queue and guess what they don't ask the kids this question, they ask the mother . so don’t tell me what i have not experienced. In Israel at the moment such questions are still asked before vaccination. Only moronic Africans like you will not see how this scenario can be stretched and used for evil against you therefore make abusing your rights the norm.

Kairoseki77: Polio is a danger to the person who has it, and to the innocent that don't have it. It is a public health concern.

If there was a vaccine for HIV/AIDS, would you be ok with some people refusing to take the vaccine and thereby keeping the disease alive?

It is never a problem with what I am okay with, what we try to address in this situation is what the person who is being forced against his will to be vaccinated is okay with. I hate when people try to twist things like illiterates, Nobody cares what I am interested in, Nobody really cares what I want, but I have to right to declare my interests. The person who is being held against his will and forcefully vaccinated in this case has all the right to sue the FG for abusing his rights.

This is the mentality that resulted in African producing dictators after dictators with no end in sight.

1MCN: this is like asking if it's mandatory to (breast)feed, send a child to school or house and clothe the child. I can bet you recieved immunization and vaccination. I can also swear that you gave or wll give same to your own kids.

yes it is not mandatory to bossom feed, or send a child to school. the parents has the right to decide such. if they for any reason decide that is what they want. it is their child not yours.
Yet hypocrites like you will support abortion.

HNosegbe: What specific occurrences, please?

Lets use the Pfizer Drug Crisis in Northern Nigeria for an example....if you are not a lazy sort do a web search for yourself on many horrible and deliberate acts of evil carried out through vaccination across Africa.

on Pfizer read.
[size=14pt]Pfizer Accused of Massive Corruption in Killing African Children[/size] - http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/01/18/pfizer-accused-of-massive-corruption-in-killing-african-children.aspx

actually the death count was more than 20.

Lilimax: Have you tried to find out the reason why they are rejecting the Polio vaccines .
You are saying this because your have you body complete and intact...?
Why are they endangering the lives of these innocent children to Pilo ? They should be jailed
Polio is very deadly and abounds in the north. Little wonder we have lots of disabled children over there.
Polio vaccination as we were told helps in eradicating these disabilities caused by Polio virus.

Whatever is there reason is no concern of yours or mine, what is most important is that they expressed their right and they said NO, forcing vaccination on them when they have clearly voiced their stand on it is dehumanizing. There reason is not to be judged they have right to cite religious reasons, cultural beliefs or simply arbitrary volition to reject it with no reason other than that they don’t want it in their body.
It is their body and their children not yours. You can not tell others what they have to do with themselves and you applying force is barbaric.

When it comes to you then talk for yourself.

This is extremely bad, Nigerians should riot over that. People should not be forced to accept something which they do not want. Nobody should be imposed upon.
This is one of those injustice that abounds in the African society. When it is about homosexuality or some other evil idea you will see Africans jumping up with the unreasonable chants like “it is their life let them do what they want with it, it is their body not yours” now all those chants does not apply. How 5tupid are we as a people?

Of course there is more that always meets the eye on such occasions and the northern guys have good reason to fear, their reasons has been substantiated over and over with many occurrences all over Africa and south America.
Nigerians should really riot over this.

I still fail to understand how when someone rejects an abnormality it becomes that he is living in the 600BC's.

I noticed that whenever one presents a hard fact on the Evil Nature of American Imperialism all these american cunts would stay away from the thread...i was waiting for so long for any of them to pop up and try to defend this but they were no where to be found, meanwhile they are in other threads chanting war songs against Syria based on some manufactured data by the same Americans who perfected the use of chemical weapons, Nuclear Weapons and Biological Weapons...

GH KWAME: Prior to the coming of europeans, slave raiders were abound, the african went to war in not for economic reasons but to increase the number of cattles in his posession.

With the advancement of wetern culture, twins are no longer sacrificed, open severing of human heads for sacrifice to imaginary beigns are a thing of the past.

Is it not a shame that the King of Swaziland marries an underage girl every year whilst his kingdom wallows in poverty?

The asian tigers adopted many aspects of the western world which has made them a household name worldwide.


Why won't Africans treat the European better when you insist 0n Tribal marks?

When I see people like you I feel really sad, you try to hard to demonized and inferiorize the African culture that one begins to wonder the amount of pain you must feel inside knowing that you were black.
Anyway let me get to your post.

Africans go to war not for economic reasons but to increase the number of their cattles hahahaha okay and increasing the number of their cattles, getting more slaves to work in their vast farms and build the roads are not economic reasons ? OMG! Shame on you...anyway and Europeans came and dehumanized you, murdered you and enslaved your whole nation which is a very GOOD THING ?

With the coming of the western culture we also had more devastating wars, disease, hunger and ignorance abound. If all the people that died in European invasion of Africa and during colnialism were twins we would have had enough twins to sacrifice till the year 6090, if you add that to many lives lost with western engineered civil wars, coups and famines and hunger caused by western sanctions we would have twins to sacrifice till the end of times.

Africans are adopting more aspects of western culture than the Asian tigers and we were moving backwards.

Can you see how much sense you have made ?

Blackteeth: Let African culture die!! Is it not the culture that Africans are practising that made them underdeveloped with poverty, disease and hunger?

This is exactly the stance that the Noe-colonialist wants Africans to adopt, they want us to believe that liberating ourselves is bad to us, in fact they want to change the whole concept of liberalization and we would be the most confused when they have thoroughly succeeded.

GH KWAME: (1) You know, there is a reason why Westeners reserved Bush Man to the black man, and you just proved it. Must you resort to name calling to make your point?

(2) You call Scarring someone deliberately for life tatoo? A decision an individual's 0pinion is not considered? Tribal marks by definition is to identify ones ethnicity. I guess you don't know that people's throats have been slit 0pen depending on the number of strokes on an individuals cheeks.
The civil wars in Africa are largely Tribal wars.

(3) Each year African governments spend lavishly on Independence celeberations and scream Freedom the next thing they are threatening retaliation 0n immigration policies by the western countries to stem migration.
I won't beat my chest when I know that the African c0ntinent is in a sorry state.
If by pointing 0ut the flaws in our barbaric culture I am called a Westener, then so be it.
The African Culture is Backward.

Sorry but i fail to see the sense in this post even though it tried to sound like it does. There is no difference between a tattoo and a tribal mark, the only difference one can call out on the two is that tattoos could be anti-social when done to certain degrees. Nobody's throats has been deliberately slit for tribal marks and when you sound like to those national geographic guys we all know you are just one of the Coconuts we always hear about.

Yes, actually the African governments has a very good reason to object on the western immigration policies and such polices adopted by the African government is built after the consideration of our economic relationship with this western nation, from colonization to the neo-colonial and bilateral agreements. under such light any most anti-immigration polices are protectionist and some are outright unreasonable. wealth can not be going on a single direction which in this case is outside Africa, there must be provisions for it to circulate, we can not be exploited during colonialism, give them exceptional rights to mine wealth from our nations now and they hope to block the only meaningful provision for the wealth to circulate back to Africa albeit a poor provision.

African economies are built to be dependent on European and western fluctuations and that results that certain channels must be keep open and maintained if balance is to be achieved, blocking any of the channels is Unjust .
If you were referring to the recent British disturbance i will like to make it clear to you that the policy can only be classified as a form of extortion under economics. Ask any economist that worths its salt for further clarification. It is totally unacceptable under international laws though since they make the laws and africans are weak to enforce their right they will not call it what it was.

takeprofit: hw about dress code, language, respect for elders?

Good question, how about that ? these days our youth does not respect elders anymore, they do not have love to steady gradual growth and hard work, they all go for get rich quick measure which characterized western capitalist greed and which they keep forcing down on unsuspecting youth through books, movies and songs.
Is that a form of mordernism or a form of change ?

Is it not sensible to say that as Sentient Beings humans will accept a change which develops them and reject that which is destructive to its society ?

crackhaus: Then again, if you look at it objectively, Culture is inversely proportional to Modernization. In other words, in predominatly Modernized societies worldwide, Culture is usually at its least though not completely eliminated.

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I Agreed up to this point. the problem is that starting from colonization we have been FORCED to adopt a very illusionist idea of being ' MODERN' and the definition of modern , it is a psychological thing impacted by the trauma of colonialism and insidiously sustained by the chains of neocolonialism. The reality on the other hand is that a totally different concept of modernism would have emerged had Africa been privileged enough to grow on its own.

A culture is what defines a people and it can not be modern in any sense, it can only be a people's culture in that it consistently and specifically defines a particular group. For example if i am Igbo and i speak Igbo that is my culture, but telling me that using English to communicate with my fellow Igboman is modernism and an improvement is a total lie which only a brainwashed inferior minded human being would accept. Another example is the traditional attire, we had our traditional attires and it looks good on us better than western clothes, now telling me that i look backward in my Ishiagu and red cap and suggesting that i will look modern by wearing a suit is equal to blasphemy.

Our failure to address the psychological trauma from the colonial experience keeps haunting us at every corner we turn, by trauma i mean trauma in the literal sense of it, because our fathers were traumatized and castigated for their culture, the white men welded absolute power and told them at their face that their culture is backwards and their proof of that is the barbarity and cruelty which the supposedly civilized white man visited them with(whether that makes sense if for you to judge), every facet of their society is meant to remind them and resound consistently the horrific message "You are a slave, you are inferior, you are nothing and you will never be anything other than our slave" . Generations that were raised and absorbed this message during this dark period of African history accepted this status albeit unconsciously. Though some vehemently resisted it and carried on with their identity they represent a tiny minority to the mass of Zombie slaves moving around and too arrogant to accept that something is wrong with them.

Homosexuality is not our culture, you can not call accepting it change or modernism in any sense, if somebody else accepts that because it has been In their culture it does not mean that we should as well. It defines them but it does not define us and it will never be. Trying to be like somebody is not being modern it is just not being you and being a fool. I called this up because of the comment I saw above about the acceptance of homosexuality as progress, progress on what ?

Our continual failure to address that as many nations has done will keep the its destructive effect alive and active and until we dress that issue , until we tackle it, tell our children the truth of our past, institute it in our educational system, promote it in our society, in our movies, in our songs, in our way of judging people(whites) we will keep seeing ourselves going down this destructive path .

donniemc: Its not only us.
Every tribe in the world would eventually loose their culture.We are moving towards a global community,a global culture.Where there would be only one tribe,only one religion,only one currency and only one Goverment.Friends its the return to BABEL

This is the most ignorant post i have seen throughout this thread. The Imperialist looks out for the likes of you and then finance you and prop you up to lead the people into destruction. i just pray you never hold any political position in your life.