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LaDivva:
Cute kids loading...

Nma27:
You are so funny. Sure I can cook more than that one sef

generationz:
Shooo toks, I thought you said it wouldn't happen in a long time? Why the change of heart

ByTeCuBe:
a lot has
best state uni, 25k school fee ,cbt exams, mega senate building. big central libraby. more discipline and decency.
security dat student now do night reading durin exam
auto workshop, new ict center, free wifi, new classrooms, light always at vc arena/science complex a whole lot i can remember

thesicilian:
Advanced Secondary School.

GloriaNinja:
LASU IS NO LONGER LIKE IT USED TO BE BEFORE.

Toks2008:
Were all these not written about Jesus straight from the Quran?

Let's have a run through of what the Quran says about Jesus and we will realize that any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus is indeed a Bad Muslim.

Quran 2:87
We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

2:136
We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . . .

2:253 . . .
To Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

3:45
O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

3:46
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

3:48
And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel.

3:49
And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe."

3:50
(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

3:52
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?"

3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

3:59
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam . . .

3:84 . . . and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord.

4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

4:163
We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.

4:172
Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah . . .

5:17
In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.

5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5:72
They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode.

5:75
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food.

5:78
Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

5:110
O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

5:112
Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

5:114
Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us-for the first and the last of us-a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

5:116
Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart . . ."

6:85
And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous.
9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.

9:31
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

19:19
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."

19:20
She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

19:21
He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed."

19:22
So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

19:27
At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!"

19:30
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet."

19:31
"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live."

19:32
"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable."

19:33
"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"

19:34
Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

19:88
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"

19:91
That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.

19:92
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.

21:91
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

23:50
And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

33:7
And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.

42:13
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah-the which We have sent by inspiration to thee-and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

43:57
When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!

43:61
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

43:63
When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me."

57:27
We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy . . .

61:6
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

61:14
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.

bukason:
He that finds a wife finds a good thing and obtain favour from God.

Indeed its a dream come true and am happy to be part of this celebration.
Wishing you good success in your marriage.

Come 30th of September, We will be tying the knot and we shall be rocking it down.

Wishing them a blissful union.... Cheers!!!

NairalandCS:
Becoming an atheist and Deciding not to get married or have kids.

Empiree:
This is too much oga. It's like putting him in chokehold.

WORDWORLD:
Its too easy, dont allow me to make my friend Toks2008 to start running in circles contradicting all his articles of faith. udatso kindly ask: WAS IS GOD THAT WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS OR MAN OR GOD MAN? That is where to start from. Let him explain.

udatso:
Empiree lanrexlan wordworld
Abeg help me explain to this man. I am tired of repeating myself

Empiree:
Your bible refutes crucifixion story

udatso:
Whats ambiguous in HE WASN'T KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED? I have told you that we don't interpret quran with holy spirit. We take what is given to us. Unless there is an irrefutable proof to support your claim. And so far you have none. You keep twisting a very clear verse.

udatso:
How can you be so sure?

What you are doing now sir is explaining the Quran with holy spirit except the use of holy spirit in discerning verses of scriptures has no basis in islam isn't applicable.

when Allah tells us he wasn't killed, we take it as such except there is an evidence to the contrary. Only then we would then see how these statements can match without contradicting each other. So we don't need to be lead by the spirit to differentiate black from white.


That's because in Islam as recorded in an authentic hadith (sayings of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w), he isa pbuh will live on earth again and die. So he was making reference to this event that will happen in future

udatso:
I can only imagine how you must be leaping with joy as I did when Messi scored Manchester United with a header in uefa champions league final. I know that feeling. A feeling of victory and achievement. This feeling makes sense if such victory is true.

I NEVER SAID THAT SOMEONE'S FACE WAS MADE TO RESEMBLE HIS FACE. so why are you celebrating like I finally admitted to something I refused to admit to before.
Besides I already explained why translators of the quran would put forward such scenarios. It's all because, such cases wouldn't nullify the statement " appeared so to them but wasn't killed nor crucified". Personally I go with the translation that doesn't tell me how it happened since Allah didn't give explicit and cupious details on that.

Pls explain.


Unfortunately for you, quran reported it since 1400 years ago. And in the history of Islam, we have Christians who accepted Islam and dropped the view that jesus was crucified or killed. So what's your point here exactly


In Islam he was neither killed nor crucified. If the matter pain you for body, come and beat me. I dey my house

adepeter2027:
HAhahahaha

How dare you talk of our toks2008 like that..


Toks is fighting for god

udatso:
Perhaps you should have first created a thread to address this pressing concern. When it's been proven that truly quran is an altered version of the Bible, you can then go ahead and create a thread and you will be allowed to use same stroke to flog both faith. BUT AS IT IS NOW, YOU CANNOT BUILD YOUR FACTS ON FALSE PREMISE.

udatso:
All Muslims believe that isa (pbuh) wasn't killed nor crucified. However there are difference of opinion on the statement " it was made to appear so to them" as its very vague and different scenarios can be inputed that still wouldn't nullify the context.

udatso:
Are you alright sir? You don't make a claim and ask the audience to prove you wrong. You make a claim and back it up with irrefutable evidences and it becomes a fact. So far you have failed at this

If you were drunk when typing this, I implore you to be sober before besmirching your hard earned reputation in this forum. You just admitted up there that you deliberately didn't include references from the quran and here you are saying speaking like a fibber.


Present proofs to back up your false claims, here you are backing like a dog deprived of bone.

Until you back up your claims with irrefutable evidences, your points remain your opinions and you have no right to call them facts if you are unwilling to prove them.

With all due respect, the post concerns both faith. You of all people should know that honesty demands you support your claims for both faiths using their scriptures. Giving references from the Bible in a post that concerns Islam and Christianity isn't enough. If you can't agree with this simple fact, then I have nothing else to say to you than leave you to bask in your ignorance.

Perhaps let me repeat myself in clearer terms. You mentioned 10 "facts" and you never gave any proof form the quran to back them up. You only gave reference in the 9th point and it wasn't supporting the claim.
And as for the second proof you gave I never disagreed with with you. I only asked that you would be wise to know what belief in a prophet means in Islam.

udatso:
Let's see these facts.

Perhaps you should focus on Christianity alone. Allah called our religion Islam and addressed His believers as Muslims. So how is this quoted trash a fact when it's actually false.

So your reference was to support your fact for Christianity. Where is the reference for Islam. You have no proof as regards Islam and yet you call it a fact?


Again, another set of empty words with no proof. This thread was supposed to be about Islam and Christianity and here you are only focusing on Christianity. Perhaps you have no evidence to support your supposed facts about Islam. You should change the title of this thread promptly


Same shit



5.Both Prophet Muhamed (S.A.W) and Jesus christ are from one man, Abraham:

It may surprise some people to know that Ishmael the first son of Abraham is the ancestor of prophet Muhamed(S.A.W) and Isaac the second son of Abraham is the ancestor of Jesus christ.

Ishmael is recognized as an important prophet and patriarch of Islam.Ishmael was the firstborn of Abraham, born to him from his second wife Hagar. Ishmael is recognized by Muslims as the ancestor of several prominent Arab tribes and being the forefather of prophet Muhammad(S.A.W)

And the book of Mathew chp1 clearly highlighted the lineage from Isaac to Jesus.

The only unarguable fact


6.No one will ever enter paradise just by being a good Christian or good Muslim but the only condition to get into paradise is to believe in Jesus and it is a good thing that both religions believe in Jesus but anyone who does not believe in Jesus and his redemptive power will never enter the kingdom of GOD no matter the good works he or she does as a Christian or Muslim.

John 3:15
"so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life".


This is the mistake you guys make. You would use the bible to justify your claims against Muslims. If Muslims believed in your bible, there won't be Muslims. I am actually disappointed that you are equally guilty of this



7.Christians and Muslims believe in one GOD and pray to one GOD but only call him different names..

Muslims call him Allah which is the Arabic name while Christians call him Jehovah or Yaweh which is the same GOD in Hebrew language.


True in most cases.

8.Christianity and Islam are the same when you compare the stories of the bible and the Quran except some variations which makes it look different and regarding Jesus,there have been misconceptions by the Muslims who say Christians call Jesus the son of GOD.

The truth is that Jesus is not the biological son of GOD but a divine son chosen by GOD himself to be just as any earthly father can choose to make anyone a son by adoption and give him authority so GOD made Jesus his son divinely and gave him powers beyond human comprehension.

I thought this thread was supposed to point out irrefutable factsabout islam and Christianity but this point here shows how biased you are. If I were to refute this, we would start a whole new argument. I think you should learn to stick tothe scope of the discourse.


9.The only condition that will take us to paradise has nothing to do with religion but only if we accept Jesus as our saviour by accepting his sacrifice on the cross.

And here you finally exposed your true intentions. But I have to admit your method of evangelism is pathetic.


Many Muslims say Jesus was never crucified because the misconstrued that part of the Quran that states;
"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him , but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)

This part of the Quran was in no way discrediting the true account of the cruxifiction of Jesus but only making it clear that Jesus was in the real sense not killed but only went through a transition while his enemies were foolish and myopic in their thoughts boasting that they crucified him just like the Quran clearly states.
If after reading a very explicit statement that HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED from the quran and you are still trying to input what wasn't written in the quran into it, then I have to say you are worse than the nairaland bigots sir.



So in essence,those Muslims claiming that Jesus was never crucified got that Quran verse all wrong because the Quran agrees in totality the divinity of Jesus and the Quran also agrees that he was born of a virgin,that he did many miracles and that he was actually crucified and that he is coming back again

May God deliver you from falsehood. Bring a proof from the quran that supports that claim I just striked out or apologise for making such erroneous statements.

10.There is no need for anyone to change his or her religion either from Islam to Christianity of visavis in order to enter paradise.

As a Muslim,you can continue to practise Islam by going to mosque to pray,by observing all the daily prayers,by performing hajj or observing the Islamic festivals and many more...as long as you accept Jesus as your saviour(even without changing your religion) you are automatically a believer in Jesus christ which is never the same as being a Christian.

There are many people who practise Christianity but are not believers in christ and such will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

I think you are confused. You should have focused on romance section


*Islam urges Muslims to believe in Jesus and in fact any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus is not a good Muslim.

Quran 5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.


The next question should be "in Islamic terms, what does belief in a prophet entail?" you would do yourself a huge favour knowing what it means in Islam than translating it in Christianity terms.

Here are 5 interesting facts also in the Quran about Jesus...

Here are 6 facts Muslims believe about Jesus

-Jesus , Mary, and the angel Gabriel are all in the Quran » (as are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a bunch of other Bible characters).

-Muslims believe that Jesus (called "Isa" in Arabic ) was a prophet of God, was born to a virgin (Mary), and will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false messiah", also known as the Antichrist. All of which may sound pretty familiar to many Christians.

-Mary (called " Maryam " in Arabic) has an entire chapter in the Quran named for her — the only chapter in the Quran named for a female figure. In fact, Mary is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the entire Quran and strangely, Mary is mentioned more times in the Quran than in the entire New Testament.

-Just as with all the other prophets, including Mohammed , Muslims recite, "Peace be upon him" every time we refer to Jesus.

-Muslims believe that Jesus performed miracles: The Quran discusses several of Jesus's miracles, including giving sight to the blind, healing lepers, raising the dead, and breathing life into clay birdstrue.
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In conclusion, while the world worry their heads about religion,God is only interested in those who are believers in christ because it is only this set of people that matters to God .


One of the simplest definition of fact is a thing that is indisputably the case. Pretty sure by now you must have seen how disputable your facts opinions are

chukagates:
Marriage is truly not for every one its not COMPULSORY i have well to do friends who Dont intend getting married but want kids just Kids!! Me too dont intend doing that marriage bondage shit my family already knows my intentions and they now have to live with it no wife no stress ....no stupid responsibilities ..i jst need to have to kids whom i will teach to damn the SOCIETY and do what makes them Happy!!

kinginvagina:
The new trend amongst single and frustrated girls is promoting the movement "marriage is not for everybody", if your mothers had same mindset years ago you won't be alive and be who you are today. do not out of frustration promote wrong movement to misinform and deceive the new generation. Men are not responsible for your inability to keep them The economy, high standard and taste and rising population of girls are the causes of less marriages in Nigeria.

If you decided not to marry, keep it to yourself aunty 35. Hundreds are getting married every Saturday, wait for your time, be humble and respectful even if you are a former slut , there is redemption. change location so you can meet new men that know nothing of your past. My piece

missloluwa:
Hey guys,

I'm in my mid 20's and i've been working for a few years now, my current salary is very decent and i'm striving to earn more. Obviously at my age, i'm thinking of the long term which obviously includes my career but i'm also looking forward to and marriage and kids. However, the vast majority of guys i've met are either not ready for the long term, or they're still in their 'struggling' phase.

Is it bad that I want someone who is at least on the same level as me, or maybe even slightly below? Am I a 'gold-digger' because i don't really want to 'eat garri' with a guy before he blows? I've dated these guys before but even till now their level hasn't changed much despite all their talk about potential.

I don't mind having to split the bill once in a while or even contribute but i'm a lady that's used to certain tastes. My family isn't Dangote rich but we're doing quite well, and i'd like to continue living that life or at least not drop too far below. What do you guys think? Do I keep looking for these 'almost/made guys'(can anyone tell me where to find them? lol) or do I settle for a struggler.

Ishilove:
A mentally unstable person is not competent to stand trial so his guilty plea is not admissible. A good defense lawyer can have the case thrown out if it can be proven that the fellow's marbles are incomplete.

What am I saying sef? Many Nigerians need to go for mental evaluation so that we don't hear stories like this. There are so many of them in the politics and religion section.

XTLikeNat777:
Christianity is not a religion but a way of life!!! A Christ-like living culture!!!!


Isam is religion according to the Qur'an
Buddhism
Etc


But not CHRISTIANITY!!

godfromGod:
Good research... That is the case bro... According to the Koran, Someone is crucified instead of Jesus, and he is coming back... Look into it carefully, the Bible itself said "It is appointed unto man to die once, and after death is judgement" .... For me the Koran come clear in this aspect as it also said human can only die once... Now for Christian to believe that Jesus died on the cross and he is coming again (as a human) is not really valid except if he is coming back in spirit.


And also... The mission of Jesus according to bible taking a look at it outside of religion view is somehow dumb... When God wants to eradicate the killing of animals for forgiveness of sin, how can God requested so much that he gave his sons life when he can just forgive us without shedding the blood of innocent Jesus for HE is merciful...

and meanwhile to validate the Koran proof that someone else was crucified instead of Jesus

When the time when Jesus would be captured was near, it was said in the bible that He prayed to God that if possible he should save him from the death as he is afraid and after the prayer there was light from above which is a sign of a prayer been answered


now fast forward to when he is on the cross, Jesus made a statement, "My lord, my Lord why hast thou forsaken me" meanwhile think of it, if truly it was Jesus who knows his father would never leave him for a sec said that... and also it is said that who ever keep pushing to the end shall be saved... This statement made by Jesus show that he can't bear the pain for making such utterance.

in other view.. to the prayer he made, that means God has really forsook him by letting him die on the cross and made a statement like someone who doesn't know what his father is up to.

This is why I will always take Koran more reasonable than Bible

Iamirreligious



buabuabuabuabua (laughing like an atheist)

octopusfreaky:
hummmm, Oga Toks. howdy?