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godfromGod:Nice one but I will be back to respond...off to church for mid week service *winks* |
Ishilove:Yeah it has.... |
adadike281:Sure I love better thing..*coughs* |
Hier:I thought front page will make more people see this and contribute. How many people come to religion section? After Romance section I don't see any other section that is good for wider audience. This is an intellectual piece and a thought provoking one. Is it not more Catchy than the threads about E-money pics,bikini pics or snake threads? My idea is to get this to a wider viewership and Frontpage is the best medium. Nevertheless I believe that is left for lalasticlala to decide. |
Hier:Why will you be disappointed? Lol! please explain. |
Hier:No contradiction of any rule out of the 22rules of nairaland and according to the disclaimer at the bottom of every page.... Disclaimer : Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland. And because of course it will generate huge traffic so YES it is very Frontpage worthy. |
I really don't know if lalasticlala will see this front page worthy. It is a neutral thread and every discussion is based on vivid citations both from the Quran and Bible.No warring. |
Ishilove:It's not even about covering both ears but the volume at its peak. If you must cover the two ears bring down the volume to the barest minimum so you can hear what goes on around you. Ishibabe bawoni? |
adepeter2027:Oh how I pray this moment that GOD opens the eyes of as many Muslims as possible to see this great revelation that Jesus is the only way to paradise...even the Quran supports this....Please let's read this merger. The Quran 7:10-17 states. "Allah created Adam out of mud, fashioned him and told the angels to fall and prostrate before the man. Iblis (Lucifer) did not obey. God degraded him. Still he asked God to reprieve till the day when the human beings are raised from the dead. It was granted. Then Iblis said to God that he will lurk in ambush of man on God's Right Path. Again he said that he will go upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands for God would not find most of them beholden" Mankind does not see the Right Narrow Path, because it is hidden by Iblis. Also he tries to lead them into wrong, broad and worldly ways. But the children of Abraham and Ishmael knows the broad path is not the right one to Heaven. So we pray to God to show us the Right Path. But Jesus said: "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able" (Lk 13:24). Now read what the Quran says in 19:21 about Jesus as "a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Allah, and it is a thing ordained."HALLELUJAH Jesus destroyed the head of Iblis, and opened the narrow door of Heavens. And the Same Jesus declared : "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but by me" (Jn 14:6). This matter is settled. |
Looking further into that sane Quran verse about Jesus crucifixion, here are 7 very parallel translations and I guess it is some of these translations that added the fact that someone else took the face of Jesus that led to the while confusion but the original Quran verse never included that 7 Parallel translations in English for the 157th verse of chapter 4 ( sūrat l-nisāa ). Sahih International : And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Pickthall : And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. Yusuf Ali : That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Shakir : And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Muhammad Sarwar : and their statement that they murdered Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God, when, in fact, they could not have murdered him or crucified him. They, in fact, murdered someone else by mistake. Even those who disputed (the question of whether or not Jesus was murdered) did not have a shred of evidence. All that they knew about it was mere conjecture. They certainly could not have murdered Jesus. Mohsin Khan : And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: Arberry: and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God' -- yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him; they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they slew him not of a certainty -- no indeed; So we can see where the misconception came from. However, a renowed Professor and Islamic scholar Mahmoud M. Ayoub sums up what the Quran states despite interpretative arguments:He said "The Quran, as we have already argued, does not deny the death of Christ. Rather, it challenges human beings who in their folly have deluded themselves into believing that they would vanquish the divine Word, Jesus Christ the Messenger of God. The death of Jesus is asserted several times and in various contexts." And I perfectly agree with him so with this,no Muslim has any reason not to accept Jesus as his or her saviour who was crucified to take away his or her sins A denial of this by any Muslim is an automatic eternal denial of having access to Paradise when he or she leaves the world. Simple and straightforward...GOD is not an author of confusion |
Didov1:I quite understand you sis but remember what the Bible says... John 6:44:"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. It is the holy spirit that draws people to christ and it's never the eloquence or intelligence of the preacher so my task is to present this new school of thought to them and leave the rest to the Holy spirit. Furthermore,salvation is not theology and it has nothing to do with trinity,there are many people in paradise as I write who do not know one name out of Jesus disciples,they have never even heard of that word trinity but they are there because they accepted Jesus as lord and saviour....this is the DE facto and every other thing is secondary. The Quran according to muslim scholars might have been misconstrued by some Muslims talking about that verse about Jesus not being crucified. That verse of the Quran was reaffirming the fact that Jesus was only going through a transition while his enemies where ignorantly boasting that they have killed him. How can the Quran agree with every other story about Jesus and differ on this? is it not a common knowledge that the Bible existed first or were these stories not written by those who witnessed these historic events? so won't it be strange for anyone to counter a story as real as the day and night Even the ancient dispute was never about Jesus not being crucified but it was about his body stolen from the tomb he was buried so some Muslims simply misquoted that verse in the Quran about Jesus not been crucified. Let's read that part again and we will all see that the Quran was only referring to the thoughts of the people who crucified Jesus but the Quran did not directly discredit the historic account of christ crucifixion. Now let's see that Quran verse again and pay attention to the phrase used in the very beginning. ... "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him , but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali) Can you see that this was a mockery of those who thought they killed him and not that the Quran specifically state that he was never crucified but many Muslims have lost the Kingdom of GOD because they misconstrued this verse and have died without accepting Jesus aa their saviour WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY ANYBODY can enter paradise. |
Hier:About 5 years ago,GOD gave me a mission to reach out to the house of Ishmael (The muslims). GOD said he loves them so much and that those who worship him do so in truth,they keep his commandments and do not deserve the massive denial almost all of them go through talking about entering paradise just because they do not accept the sacrifice of my Son Jesus and they thought they can enter paradise just by being a good Muslim. God further opened my eyes to the negative role religion has played in leafing many souls to hell and that many muslims are willing to accept Jesus as their saviour but what makes it difficult is their believe that they must first renounce Islam before they can accept Jesus as lord and saviour. So GOD opened my eyes and he promised to empower me to fulfill this task and trust me,GOD has been marvellous....I have many muslims in Iran,Iraq and other parts of the world who have gladly accepted the lordship of Jesus without changing their religion because God has nothing to do with that. GOD also opened my eyes to the fact that the Quran supports the divinity of Jesus to the letter and even urged muslims to believe in Jesus but there is a dark cloud heating up the minds of many muslims and have blinded them to seing the fact that even Islam agrees with the divinity of Jesus. The most controversial part is their believe that Jesus was never crucified but once again,some muslims misconstrued that citation in the Quran. So my mission is to open the eyes of many muslims to understand that... 1.Indeed Jesus was a servant and a prophet sent by GOD to perform a task of laying down his life for the atonement of the sins of the whole world. 2.That though Jesus was never the biological son of GOD but GOD chose to make him his divine son and as a result,he was conceived not by man's fluid but by the holy spirit (Quran agrees with this). 3.That they can never enter Aljonah(Paradise) except they accept Jesus as their saviour. 4.That they don't have to convert to Christianity before they can accept Jesus as their saviour because GOD is only interested in Believers in christ and not those who practise Islam or Christianity. 5.And that they can continue to be a practising Muslim even after accepting Jesus as their lord and saviour because all the worship and religious acts of Muslims is directed to Allah which is just an Arabic translation of the same GOD the Hebrew nation calls Jehovah,the Yorba nation calls Eledumare... One GOD One saviour Two religions |
Dillusionist:Maybe at certain age but a mature lady needs not. For me I only woo you once and I do it in such a mature manner so when you say NO then it's a NO. If you like a guy you need not play hard to get,just tell him politely that you can be friends...cos too many ladies out there desperate for a man....so don't toy with the emotions of a guy you truly desire cos he just might forget you and go for another lady. |
Hier:Lol! that is exactly the issue....no one needs to convert from one religion to another... Do Muslims not pray to GOD? IN FACT they pray more than most christians. Do Muslims not keep God's commandment? sure many good Muslims do so what exactly is the need to convert them? The only thing you need to do is to explain to them the importance of accepting Jesus as their saviour and they can this even as a practising Muslim. Many Muslims would have accepted Jesus as their saviour if only they know that they don't have to convert to Christianity and that is exactly my mission...to open their eyes to that fact that even while they maintain their religion,they can still accept Jesus as their saviour. Hope you understand. |
OK I guess the just might be someone reading this and wondering..."how exactly can I accept Jesus as my saviour?".... Well the truth is that it is amazingly and incredibly easy and it still baffles me till date why it isthis simple. Romans 10;9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved". So wherever you are on the surface of the earth,just read these words out and believe every letter as you read. "Lord Jesus,I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and I accept you from this moment onward as my saviour. Thank you Jesus for saving me" That is it...so unbelievably simple...if you read those words out,I say CONGRATULATIONS. ...You are saved and your name is now written in the book of life as the angels get to work to construct your everlasting mansion. The next step is to pray for the Holy spirit to come on you and perfect your salvation... GOD BLESS YOU. |
Hier:If we choose to approach things this way,no Muslim will buy that idea. Christianity came before Islam hence the bible before Quran but it's so amazing that many Muslims are not asking vital questions. ..WHY? Because they have been indoctrinated from birth to believe that the story that was first presented by the bible is false and it is the Quran version that is right and to them nothing can change that. So why should we continue to fight a battle no one can win? The simple truth is that religion is overrated and GOD is not even interested in anything called religion. To GOD it is your soul that matters and your soul can ONLY be saved if you meticulously accept Jesus as your saviour meaning accepting that he died on the Ross as an atonement for the sins of the world. Muslims have pondered and Athieste have reasoned it out...why must Jesus die before the sins of the world is washed away?....I don't know too but all I know is that the Bible made it clear that in the past GOD commands that sinners slaughter lambs to pray for forgiveness of sins and people do this from time to time but GOD wanted a one time sacrifice but the blood of animals cam not take away the sins of the world so GOD sent Jesus called prophet Issa in Islam to carry out one vital and mysterous task of laying his life down to save the whole world and he came and he was sacrificed on the cross...HALLELUJAH! Hebrews 10:4-7 clearly states; "It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll,I have come to do your will, my God.’” Now the question is;why is GOD so keen about spilling blood for atonement of sins? that I will know when I get to heaven but for now,it will cost me nothing to accept Jesus as my lord and saviour and it will cost Muslims absolutely nothing to do same...at least let us believe and we will know after death if it is Worth it or not. |
Hashimyussufamao:Bro how are you? I don't mean to bother you but do you believe Jesus died as a sacrifice for your sins and you can only enter paradise on this precept? Please no fighting o,let's discuss as intelligent adults. |
zionmade1:Congratulations. As for Seun,he only became an Atheist circumstantially so he can never die an athieste....NEVER. God has called me to reach out to the house of Ishmael and to give the entire world a message of salvation that is all encompassing void of religion segregation and apathy. I am sold out to bringing as many Muslims as possible into understanding the concept of.. ONE GOD CALLED ALLAH OR JEHOVAH AND ONE SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. GOD BLESS YOU. |
zionmade1:Honestly I am compelled to communicate with you about this. |
zionmade1:Honestly I am compelled to communicate with you about this. |
zionmade1:Don't get you? What has this got to do with Christianity? Being a Christian and being born again are two different things. Yes we use the terms Christian or Muslim to specify the religion we belong to but I'm not asking you to convert. So do you aceept Jesus as your saviour? just calm down and respond...I no dey fight |
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] zionmade1:Now clear your mind of any form of anger or apprehension... Do you accept Jesus as your saviour? |
![]() zionmade1:Those are fanatics cos no good Muslim will ever engage in such. My point is that the salvation of our soul is the most vital and not religion fanatism. Can you imagine how we have almost tore each other's neck because of religion but it may not be surprising that you and the other dude are not born again so can you see my point? We leave the most important issue just to start fighting over nothing. |
zionmade1:If we are to start an argument about religion no one will win yet it is one of the biggest weapon Satan has used to deceive many and in fact caused unending wars. Unfortunately in the eyes of GOD Islam and Christianity are inconsequential bugaboo,a facade and non granta in his heavenly kingdom. |
Hashimyussufamao:You guys should continue draining your energy over the scam called religion. When we die,GOD will not ask us if we were Muslims or Christians but will only check if our names is in the book of life and the only way you can have your name in that book is to accept Jesus as your saviour regardless of your religion. Disbelieve this at your own peril. |
zionmade1:The irony is that both religions are inconsequential before GOD so that makes both a waste of time to discuss. |
![]() Hashimyussufamao:I'm not interested in e-war over religion cos religion on itself is a scam but if you ever want to go that way I will tell you that it's common sense for you to know that the Bible existed before the Quran and simple common sense should tell you that originality lies with the First version of any story. You all claim Quran came from heaven but we're you there to witness it? People who were with Jesus wrote stuffs and people will just be countering it as if they were there...dude I call that foolishness. As I wrote,I don't want to discuss religion cos it's a facade. |
It is quite disheartening that the world has turned upside-down in the name of religion and rather than for religion to bring peace to the world,it has instead brought chaos,enmity,death and so much negativity. The Muslim parents try to make their children "Good Muslims" and Similarly, Christian parents try to make their children "Good Christians",but unfortunately,this seemingly innocuous act makes a child biased or at least strongly inclined towards a particular religion and when the child grows up, he/she has a strong set of beliefs and practices and automatically considers all other "religions "wrong". hence any attempt to convert to another religion faces a lot of problems. For how long shall we continue in this unwarranted bugaboo in the name of defending a certain religion?is it really worth the stress? I present to you 10 revelations God gave me about Islam and Christianity that will leave many dumbfounded. 1.Christianity and islam were not created by God but are man made. While Islam in its conceptual meaning simply means "to surrender to God" which automatically means anyone who submits or acknowledges GOD as his or her creator is practicing Islam. And talking about Christianity,Jesus was not a Christian but the Messiah who brought redemption to the world and not christianity. The pagans at Antioch were the first people to use that word to describe the apostles (Acts 11:26; 26:28) Another sad twist is the institutionalization of Christianity. It is not a religion but a way of life and whoever believes in Jesus and is baptized is a automatically considered as a believer in christ. 2. Whether you pray to God in a mosque or in a church,whether you celebrate eld fitir or easter or whether you celebrate Eld kibir or Christmas, it does not matter to GOD but only the salvation of your soul matters to him. Romans 14;6-8 says.. "He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone, and none of us dies to himself alone.If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 3.In Paradise(Jannah),there are no Muslims or Christians, no religion,no mosque or church but only those whose names are written in the book of life. Revelation 21:22 "I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple". Revelation 21:27 "Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life". 4.Both Prophet Muhamed (S.A.W) and Jesus christ are from one man, Abraham: It may surprise some people to know that Ishmael the first son of Abraham is the ancestor of prophet Muhamed(S.A.W) and Isaac the second son of Abraham is the ancestor of Jesus christ. Ishmael is recognized as an important prophet and patriarch of Islam.Ishmael was the firstborn of Abraham, born to him from his second wife Hagar. Ishmael is recognized by Muslims as the ancestor of several prominent Arab tribes and being the forefather of prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) And the book of Mathew chapter1 clearly highlighted the lineage from Isaac to Jesus. 5.No one will ever enter paradise just by being a good Christian or good Muslim but the only condition to get into paradise is to fully believe in the person of Jesus but anyone who does not believe in Jesus and his redemptive power will never enter the kingdom of GOD no matter the good works he or she does as a Christian or Muslim. John 3:15 "so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life". 6.Christians and Muslims believe in and pray to one GOD but only call him different names.. Muslims call him Allah which is the Arabic name while Christians call him Jehovah or Yaweh which is the same GOD in Hebrew language. 7.The only condition that will take us to paradise has nothing to do with religion but only if we accept Jesus as our saviour by accepting his sacrifice on the cross. Many Muslims say Jesus was never crucified because the misconstrued that part of the Quran that states; "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him , but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali) This part of the Quran was in no way discrediting the true account of the crucifixion if you read that passage contextually from verse 152 and that verse was only referring to the conjectures(An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information)of the Jews but never stated expressly that Jesus was never crucified and many Islamic scholars also agreed that the verse did not nullify the true account of Jesus being crucified. However,the misconception was made stronger when some overzealous Islamic scholars misinterpreted and rewrote that verse by adding that another person was made to take the face of Jesus and was crucified in his stead but this was never written in the original Arabic language of the Quran.(Every Muslim should check this fact out) The fact remains that Jesus was crucified,died and rose up on the third day and anyone be a Christian or muslim who does not accept and believe in his death and what it stands for will never have eternal life. 8.There is no need for anyone to change his or her religion either from Islam to Christianity of visavis in order to enter paradise. As a Muslim,you can continue to practise Islam by going to mosque to pray,by observing all the daily prayers,by performing hajj or observing the Islamic festivals and many more...as long as you accept Jesus as your saviour(even without changing your religion) you are automatically a believer in Jesus christ which is never the same as being a Christian. 9.Islam urges Muslims to believe in Jesus and in fact any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus is not a good Muslim and is also inferior to those who believe. Quran 3:55—God said, ‘Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me: I will purify you of the disbelievers. To the Day of Resurrection I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieved. Then you will all return to Me and I will judge between you regarding your differences. 10.Here are 6 facts that prove that Muslims believe in Jesus. -Jesus , Mary, and the angel Gabriel are all in the Quran » (as are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a bunch of other Bible characters). -Muslims believe that Jesus (called "Isa" in Arabic ) was a prophet of God, was born to a virgin (Mary), and will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false messiah" , also known as the Antichrist. All of which may sound pretty familiar to many Christians.-Mary (called " Maryam " in Arabic) has an entire chapter in the Quran named for her — the only chapter in the Quran named for a female figure. In fact, Mary is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the entire Quran and strangely, Mary is mentioned more times in the Quran than in the entire New Testament. -Just as with all the other prophets, including Mohammed , Muslims recite, "Peace be upon him" every time we refer to Jesus. -Muslims believe that Jesus performed miracles: The Quran discusses several of Jesus miracles, including giving sight to the blind, healing lepers, raising the dead, and breathing life into clay birds. Only Ignorant Christians and Muslims hate on each other because Ishmael and Isaac represent two covenants from same man Abraham and GOD loves both. In conclusion, while the world worry their heads about religion,God is only interested in those who are believers in christ because it is only this set of people that matters to GOD. Regardless of your religion,Jesus has come to pay the ultimate price for your soul and until you accept him as your saviour,YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO PARADISE (JANNAH). No matter where you are reading this from,If you have never accepted Jesus as your saviour you have the chance to do so this very moment by reading these words out "Lord Jesus,I believe you came to the world to pay the ultimate price for the redemption of my soul by dieing on the cross. I confess with my mouth from this moment that you are my saviour.Thank you Jesus for saving me". If you read these words out,I say a big congratulations to you because your name has just been written in the book of life. The next step is to pray for the holy spirit to come upon you so that you can grow in the knowledge of christ. And if you don't have access to the hard copy Bible,you can use Google to ask any questions relating to your salvation through Jesus our Lord. GOD BLESS YOU.
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Cuddlebugie:As for me,I will date and even marry any lady that is pleasing to my eyes even if she is super disabled. |
Las Vegas is known as the city of light where almost every building has special light effects on it so what we see is expected. I believe there are places in Nigeria that look just like that and I believe when Eko Atlantic is fully developed,we will see a similar view. GOD BLESS NIGERIA ....at least we no get hurricanes and crazy natural disasters except crazy leaders. |
pweetiedee:What sort of question is this? what is my biz with her if she marries or remains single? I'm just explaining some deep shits to you. |
concho:Lol! thanks |
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, also known as the Antichrist. All of which may sound pretty familiar to many Christians.