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FreeIgboho:
You have also done well, and I equally respect your IQ. Though, to be honest, neither of us is that smart or that high IQ, just that we are on Nairaland which is not exactly a bastion of intellectuals .
As for the AoC, I posted you the law as written, verbatim. You can see for yourself there is no lacuna. I think the pretended lacuna is to give some leeway due to the unreasonably draconian penalty - mandatory life imprisonment for having consensual sex with a 17 year old!

Noted.. Let's see how it plays out. Have a fabulous weekend.

FreeIgboho:
You mean Toks2008. Oh, I don't think he is more potential pedophile than most men. I think it's more a case of refusing to budge even after being shown that your stand is flawed. Truth be told, left to most men's natural instinct, the age of consent would be 14 to 16.

I'm only acting the devil's advocate and I wrote this before but unfortunately the likes of the person you quoted can never grasp that concept cos they are intellectually shallow.

No apologies at all... It is what it is.

FreeIgboho:
And if you paid attention you'd have seen I made it clear I was referring to the bolded, where you said:
Do you think the justice system is that draconian so much that they will just send someone to jail when it is proved that the victim lied about her age either verbal or perhaps forgery of age certificate?
I showed you where the justice system is exactly that draconian.

As for age of consent, you are mistaken. See below.
I will find and post the letter of the law so you can read it for yourself.

If you noticed, I meticulously ensured that I read and responded to you with documented info. And I actually did thst cos I see you are smart intelligent and able to have logical discussion and not low life ranting like many are doing on this thread.

However there is a thin line between discussion and argument.

I have reiterated that there is a lacuna meaning an area of argument or unresolved issue about the age of concent in Nigeria.

Just as you posted, there aew some documents in strong support that it is 11 and also some documents say it is 18 meaning at this time of you say 18 you are right and if another say 11 then the person is also right simply because of the discrepancies as presented.

Now if you look at the same document you posted did you not read clearly where it states..."Sime might argue based premise of the law"? Now which law? Ofcouse the law that states that age of concent in Nigeria is 11.

Is that not the lacuna I talked about?

So we can go on and on talking about this which was why I said we should just rest it.

You have done well and I respect your IQ.

BRATISLAVA:
You're still at it?

In defense of sex with underaged girls, this guy is on every such thread with his law of 11 years.

He clearly feels older men can have sex with little girls because they have vaginas, and the argument you are having has been had every year with him on almost every thread that there is a raped female child, or that has a man clearly committing a contemptuous sexual act.

Lawless and without ethics, all to seem logical and "different" while playing devil's advocate.

Another dumb fellow.

In defence YES cos as I wrote, I'm acting the devil's advocate of indeed he is guilty which is not even the case.

You foolish lot come online to pour emotional post when you all should be reasoning like educated people.

You come online to write grammer with no aorta of logical reasoning.

Obviously his lawyer should hands off at this time and pronounce him guilty.

But for an online forum like this many of you can never be seen where intelligent minds gather.

Hathor5:
I wish they had the balls to say such things offline so that we know around who to be particularly careful with our daughters.

Many ladies on Nairaland are dumb as in D. U. M. B

If you have small brain to reason you will understand that when it comes to court matters, judges don't dwell on sentiments, foolish reasoning or baseless emotional tantrums as foolishly displayed on this thread by ladies especially.

Why not go into the court and hang him before he is convicted..

Obviously you can never be a lawyer with your shallow ways of reasoning cos if you happen to be his lawyer right now you will obviously hand him over as guilty.

Please you ladies should stop disgracing your gender and start thinking logically.

FreeIgboho:
And if you paid attention you'd have seen I made it clear I was referring to the bolded, where you said:
Do you think the justice system is that draconian so much that they will just send someone to jail when it is proved that the victim lied about her age either verbal or perhaps forgery of age certificate?
I showed you where the justice system is exactly that draconian.

As for age of consent, you are mistaken. See below.
I will find and post the letter of the law so you can read it for yourself.

You are obviously reading my post to respond but not to understand. This is the lacuna I wrote about. A lacuna is series of argument as a result of an ommision or lack of clarity in a law or constitution.

Till date it is still unresolved and while some are arguing that the age of consent is 11, some are saying it is 18.

Please let's try to understand each other.

I rest my case on this matter... Let us see how it plays out.

FreeIgboho:
@bolded see below.
You are mistaken about the law in Nigeria. It actually says it is 18 nevermind the mention of below 11. But beyond that, in Lagos State it is clearly unambiguously 18.

I'm not sure if you know he also allegedly molested her at 7

If you meticulously go tru my post you will see where I stated clearly that some states have a defence against error of age. Texas is just a state in U.S and what you quoted is about Texas but we are not in Texas, this is Naija so we need to apply the laws here.

Further more, you are still mistaken AGE OF CONSENT according to the Federal constitution which reigns supreme over state laws.

Until 2015 the age of consent in Nigeria was 18. Now it stands at 11 but as I wrote, there is a clause in the constitution that has been in contention and till this day, the lacuna still exists.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against the act but I'm just acting the Devils advocate now cos no matter how bad it is, his lawyers can't just let them sentence him without putting up a defence and if I'm his lawyer I will tell him to plead guilty as regards what happened in the video and not before that then we will argue the rest.

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/nigeria

I always think outside the box.

FreeIgboho:
You are mistaken. Justice system also works on eye witness testimony - and people are routinely convicted based solely on that

There is no eye witness account of the molestation when she was 7 so let's focus on the video evidence presented when she is 14.

vannessa7:
All their findings were about the past, he didn't rape her now, both psychological evaluation and medical report confirmed he raped her 7years ago.

Haaaaaa| Abeg post the link to this info you just gave. See the justice system don't work on sentiments or emotions but Evidence and a compelling one at that so biko forget the talks of 7years and lets dwell on the video evidence.

FreeIgboho:
The law actually says it makes no difference wether she lied or not. The only leniency is in age difference - say, you are 20 and she is 17, you'll still taste jail though.

I am not doubting what the law states but In some countries and some states in U.S, defendants can raise a defence to statutory rape based on a reasonable mistake as to a partner's age but usually only in limited circumstances.

Do you think the justice system is that draconian so much that they will just send someone to jail when it is proved that the victim lied about her age either verbal or perhaps forgery of age certificate?

Even in Baba ijesha's case, with a sound lawyer he will walk free. They only need to leverage on the lacuna in the local law in Nigeria that has the discrepancies of age of consent to be 11 or 18 cos the girl is 14 at the moment and the present Law in Nigeria didn't expressly provide that the age of consent in Nigeria is 18, ..

They will also need to prove that there was no force and the girl actually consented or let me use the English some olodos like Sterope and Pataricatering will process easily...that she approved of whatever was done to her by baba ijesha without any force used which could change the narrative.

A smart Lawyer will do the magic for him.

vannessa7:
At 7years!!? Did she even knew what was coming? Haba

Let us work with the present cos there is no evidence of the past. The lady is presently 14 though still not up to the age of legal consent.

FreeIgboho:
Meaning what? You are implying most men are potential pedophiles. Fine, the more reason society should treat it as a serious crime - to deter men from acting on that impulse!

Exactly. There should be serious consequences starting from men who patronize hotels filled with underage girls to the senators using religion as a cover and to randy men who prey on helpless underage girls.

The only saving grace and this is a rare one is when the girl in question lies about her age and she is kind enough to say it in the court that indeed she lied to you...then you can have the affirmative defense but not if the lady don’t actually appear to the jury as someone about whom a reasonable mistake might be made.


Say for instance a lady is very sexually mature in looks and she lied to you that she is 18 when she is actually younger, if you can prove that she lied and she truly looks way more mature sexually then you just might get lucky.

Sterope:
Keep at it. One day your cup will overflow and you will make the frontpage. Agbaya.

Babe listen and listen good,

I am human and when it comes to statutory rape, no man and i repeat, no man is a super hero so YES it can happen to me if i loose guard but we can only pray to GOD for self control.

You ladies can never understand the dynamics of sex in relation to a man's psyche.

Look at islam, do you think most of these high ranking Muslim clerics don't sleep with minors on a regular? Even the FG just filled in a charge against Kanu that he called Buhari a pedo so please don't even start with that...any man can fall, we can only pray for strong will.

otherway:
Nah wah o. Thanks for this info.

So nah to dey sure sey the babe nah above 18 even if she open am for you. Chai! this is serious.

Yes and this is why we must be very careful. That a lady is twice your size does not mean she is legally old to consent even if she opens her leg for you or even if cctv captures it that she lured you so it is self control that comes to work here.

Many men have gone down as a result of statutory rape.

pocohantas:
There was nothing objective about your post. I need you to always understand that wisdom is not in the genitals and the fact you own a manhood, which I can’t verify its functionality, doesn’t bestow you some divine wisdom, objectivity or logic.

What you typed is NONSENSE. Ciao

Se i no fit argue with you if you think what i type is nonsense. Those who fit reason go see sense in it.

pocohantas:
How does this make any sense to you? Never seen any human that contradicts himself as much as you do.

If not that i respect you i for call you olodo.

Legal consent is different from the normal consent. I can't explain further. refer to my post above for proper explanation. You ladies seldom read objectively but you quickly put emotions in everything.

There are two types of rape.

1. The non consensual rape which involves force whether it is two minors or a minor/adult or two adults.

2. Statutory rape which is a consensual sex between an adult and a minor simply because the minor has not reached the LEGAL age of consent even if she consented without any force involved.

Nah grammar dey confuse all of us.

Ofadaman:
Of all the women in this world, it's a minor that's send this popular actor to jail

With a good lawyer he will walk free cos there is a lacuna in the local law in Nigeria as regards age of consent where some say it is 11 and some say it is 18 and even all across the world The Age of Consent ranges from as low as 11 to as high as 20 years old.

The lady from what i read is 14 years which is above 11 but below 18 so its going to be a tough one.

I am looking at it from a lawyer's perspective.

Sterope:
'Lady' consented? An underaged consented to sex in SW?

You are one big fool.

You are one uncouth illiterate who can not decipher contextual meaning of a word used at any point in time.

Since it is obvious that your parents wasted their money to send you to school cos you are still obviously dumb so let me help your dumb head grasp....

The Lady ''consented'' (agreed) without force. Nevertheless, because she is a minor, even if she consented(Agreed without force'' it is still statutory rape because she has not reached the age of legal consent.

So who is the fool? Omokomo pepper seller.

peeps4u:
What is set up there? Can't sheinstall cctv in her house again?
She suspected something was going on and she installed cctv to capture them. Do u expect her to just accuse Baba Ijesha of rape without evidence, which the girl and Baba Ijesha can even both deny?

In the video it was clear that it was the lady that moved closer to him just that it is what it is... She is a minor so baba ijesha must pay the price... Except the age of consent in Nigeria is below 18

They should just charge him for statutory rape cos the lady consented just that she is underage.

Stunt for YouTube views.

If you know you know

Torosk1:
Over to you righteousness, your fellow man of God don commits...what are you gonna say abt this?

You will never see him make comment on threads like this.

He is so double standard.

kingthreat:
As long as it wasn't rape. Half of the men mocking that man will do a 16 year old girl if given the chance. Many young prostitutes in brothels are about that age. Not encouraging sex with under 18 but stating facts here

May GOD bless you for this.

Sometimes we put up the holier than tgou attitude.

As far as I'm concerned, this is statutory rape so let him answer for his actions but nobody should start acting like a Saint.

When a 16year old girl gets pregnant by a 17 year old boy I guess it is what it is as if the dvk size of some 16year old boys is not bigger than that of a full grown adult.

I have heard stories of what these 16, 17 year old girls do and believe it or not, some of these small girls do the luring but that is where self control comes in but the question is... How many men can say NO?

Let him face the consequence of his actions.. Simple.

Please guys before you touch any lady that looks young please be sure of her age cos statutory rape is when you sleep with an underage even with her consent.

Fahdiga:
Pastor indeed. Must journalists attach the title 'pastor' to every randy man caught

He is still a pastor. He is also human. Everybody has a weakness but we must also be ready to face the consequence of our actions.

MangekyoAlt:
I've seen the video (just 10 seconds long)
Very embarrassing. Tiwa savage na mumu Sha. So sense at all

Some Nigerians are not smart at all. Who does a 10sec video with undies still on and then leaked it making sure her face is not too conspicuous and also hiding the identity of the guy?

Crazy publicity stunt and I just think that is too low of her...

Yankee101:
Abi na self leaked?

Confirmed self leak which was why she made the video the way it is and I can bet the guy is her husband Teebliz cos the way Tbliz was quick to comment sounding cool gave him away.

I may be wrong but that is what I feel.

Me I don't undrstand o.

1. I cant call that a sex tape cos I watched it and it was just 11secs clip except there is more.

2. Even the lady in the video can not be said to be Tiwa savage cos the shape of the face is not really like that of hers but she just might be a look alike.

3. Now Let's say indeed it was Tiwa in the 11sec sex clip abeg how does this change the fact that Buhari is still our president.

My conclusion is that Tiwa did it intentionally and who knows if Teebliz is not the guy in the video.

PrinceOfLagos:
I watched the few seconds video till the end and I must say that Tiwa Savage Is a shameless, old and classless whoree

Her shaved punna look so ugly

No wonder Wizkid banged and trashed her

Na make-ups dey help this women, She's so ugly that I almost mistook her for Whoopi Goldberg

Bitch!

I have not watched the video but it is widely believed that she was not the one in the video but a look alike

Flexherbal:
...Some are saying the video is a publicity stunt, others are saying it is not.

I do not understand while someone a will use something like that,as publicity stunt.

Yes it is and that is so cheap of her. There are better things she would have used

Silly stunt.

Sterope:
There was a report on this man's fraudulent activities before he became the Ooni. No one gave a damn.

Some say he was a G boy but as long as it is in the past, he should just let go that is if it is true.

DEMZEE:
So polygamy is illegal under the law

Yes polygamy is a crime if you do court wedding but the Irony is that men still have secret wives so what is the point?