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Religion / Re: Church Members Walk Out On Pastor Adefarasin Over Tithing by Topgainer: 9:28pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Yameater:Good Christians study the Bible to weigh a doctrine. Good Christian follow Jesus and the teachings of his Apostle. Good Christian does not resort to talking like an Agbero when challanged to provide a reference in the life of Jesus about a thing. Good Christian takes correction when presented with the truth. And the truth here is that there is no Tithe stipulation for Christian and the blessing of God on the life of a Christian is not because of tithe legalism. |
Religion / Re: Church Members Walk Out On Pastor Adefarasin Over Tithing by Topgainer: 9:05pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
djon78:Another angle to your fact, one million preachers cannot preach all people to Heaven and if one million tithe preachers preach tithe every Sunday, it will not make all Christians to pay. Many more people are beginning to see that there is no tithe stipulations for Christians. As a matter of fact, the blessings of a Christian does not depend on the corrupted version of tithe system. You have never in your life paid tithe. What you do is not tithe and there is nothing sacred about your legalism. Your investments and finances that went down the drain has no connection to tithe, it is your imagination guided by tithe crusaders who have told you of Mal. 3:10. You must understand that the Church and the Jewish temples are not the same. A Christian has no business with Malachi 3:10. You can give money to your Pastor as you wish but that it is 10% does not make it tithe. There is no Legalism in Christ Jesus. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Church Members Walk Out On Pastor Adefarasin Over Tithing by Topgainer: 8:32am On Oct 30, 2017 |
Samyokporua:Did he provide any unrefutable scriptures to back it up? I need to see the full video of his message on tithe and Church. Can you direct me to a link? The book of Hebrews comparing Christ and Melchizedek can't be used to validate the modern fraudulent tithe scheme. Otherwise, the disciples of Jesus and the early Churches would have been recorded to have paid tithe based on that. But they never did. They never discussed tithe, Paul did not, Peter did not, James, John, Luke and Mark did not discuss tithe. And these were the authorities in the New testament. |
Religion / Re: Tithe Controversy: Members Angrily Walk Out On Pastor by Topgainer: 8:18am On Oct 30, 2017 |
Which type of Biblical tithe system did he encourage his followers to pay? Abrahamic or the Jewish. Did he say how often it should be done? Did he provide where Jesus or his disciples payed or received tithe. Op, Kindly upload the video of Pastor Paul's tithe message, like the Berean Christians I need to compare whatever new thing he has with the scriptures. |
Religion / Re: Church Members Walk Out On Pastor Adefarasin Over Tithing by Topgainer: 8:12am On Oct 30, 2017 |
AceVentura:said tithing ... but he encouraged people... Which type of Biblical tithe system did he encourage his followers to pay? Abrahamic or the Jewish. Did he say how often it should be done? Kindly upload the video, like the Berean Christians I need to compare whatever new thing he has with the scriptures. |
Religion / Re: Church Members Walk Out On Pastor Adefarasin Over Tithing by Topgainer: 8:01am On Oct 30, 2017 |
MICHEALADEX:Absurd reasoning. Omeife2: I will need to see the video of his teaching on Sunday. I have some respect for Pastor Paul for being slightly different from the pack but if in all his teachings on Christian tithing he failed to show where Jesus and his disciples payed or received tithe, then his teaching on tithing is not Christianity. He can't possibly use Abraham to defend the system of tithe levies done today because Abraham gave a tithe of the spoils of war once. He was not recorded to have done that with his gross earnings like salary earners do today, he didn't do that weekly. |
Religion / Re: Three Reasons Why You Should Tithe - Brad Hewitt by Topgainer: 6:53pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Statsocial:Statsocial, I will honour you with a response because you are reasonable sometimes. Of course, tithe is not giving 10% of one's wages and salary to a gentile Bishop, Apostle, Pastor or Prophet. This particular tithe legal system compelling people to pay and receive special prayers for doing that (In my sojourn with some Churches, I hear things like "tithers in the house, stand up to be prayed for" ) can't be attributed to Abraham, it is not the Jewish system and the disciples of Jesus didn't have to do that. Giving, sacrificial giving is good and applauded in Christianity. We all give in various degrees but you must know the giving (I will restrict the narrative to money because the content of the piece invariably refers to tithe-money) done by the early Christians was aimed at sorting out the needs of the brethren. Acts, pointed us to the fact that the needs were basic supplies. Paul commended the rich church for their supplies which was distributed to the have -nots - Churches he founded. Was the giving to the early Church for establishing businesses, building empires, funding superfluous luxuries and flying the gospel to Wealthy Christians I know in communities in my home state Anambra, don't subscribe to this tithe by coercion, but they are givers. Give them tithe cards and registers, they reluctantly put few naira notes there but their intervention in specific needs of the community is pronounced. As Christmas is approaching, many homes are sure to benefit from the sacrificial givings from people of means. Now that there is a shift from Mal. 3:10, which has been thoroughly disproven as the basis for Christian tithe system, although, some unrepentant Churches still sing that verse and threaten Christians with cankerworms. Can the legal or is it now faith tithe crusaders sustain their defence for such a coercive system? Only time will tell. If the early Church didn't require tithe to spread the gospel effectively in hostile pagan nations, the church of today should not use gospel as excuse for subtle imposition of such on Christians. |
Religion / Re: All Haters Should Proceed To Hell - PA To Pastor David Ibiyieome Address Haters by Topgainer: 9:02am On Oct 28, 2017 |
Davebrian133:Are you one of the PAs? Criticism is a part of Christianity, it shouldn't be an excuse for you and other followers of Prophet David Ibiyeomie to loose it all. Go through the screenshots on page one, if there is any repentance in your soul you should be ashamed of the caliber of Christians in Prophet Ibiyeomie's 'salvation' Ministries Inc. When Criticized for doing the wrong things, you should examine you life and make amendments. When criticized for doing good, which is rare, you give thanks to God. My brother, that is Christianity. ENEJI16:Are you part of the PAs? I don't feel threatened. Ibiyeomie's Church Center is stinking, you lots need urgent reform not that I consider Ibiyeomie a Christian. His battle with Chibuzor Chinyere will expose them the more, not long from now they will jettison their oaths and make public their horrible secrets. Except one succeeded in killing the other, expect the stinking secrets in public domain soon. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: ''Tithes And Offerings Don't Buy Jets'' - Apostle Anselm Madubuko by Topgainer: 10:13pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
bezimo: And someone said this man is a Pastor in one of the branches of the Auchi Church. |
Religion / Re: ''Tithes And Offerings Don't Buy Jets'' - Apostle Anselm Madubuko by Topgainer: 9:59pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
salford1:this best describes the self indicting part of Apostle Madubuko's statements. Banks will be glad to give them the loans after studying the population of sheeples under the Pastor, how much they grab and deposit weekly. Will Jesus take a Business Loan, is taking loans from a world system part of the Go into the world and make disciples? Pastorpreneurs and their Church industries have good ideas on how to invest 'Levitical' tithes. The volume of trade at the stock exchange daily ensures some of these Pastors/Bishops with huge shares smile daily. The brockers with affiliation to such Pastors are big boys and so dedicated to such Churches not because they love God but purely business. |
Religion / Re: All Haters Should Proceed To Hell - PA To Pastor David Ibiyieome Address Haters by Topgainer: 9:37pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
PastorandMentor:He is the Lagos branch manager. Every Sunday he is sure of something after sending down part of the money generated to Port Harcourt. He risks sack if he is not eternally grateful to his 'Father for Life'. He was picked from the streets, brushed up and taught the rudiments of Church business, with a branch created for him. He should be grateful. I pray he remembers his biological parents and give them even if it only 3% of the honour his gives his second to none Father David. I am not also comfortable with the arrongance the boy is exhibiting at this young age. So unchristian to tell dissenting groups to go to Hell. If it were to be my type that remained in his Lagos area, he will have nobody to call him Daddy every Sunday in his Lagos branch. These statements credit to him is a pointer that my spirit and understanding of the life of Christ runs anti- parallel to his. 160 Likes 11 Shares |
Religion / Re: ''Tithes And Offerings Don't Buy Jets'' - Apostle Anselm Madubuko by Topgainer: 8:10pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
bezimo:When will you grow sense. So much for being a Christian. According to you and your gangster Apostles, Prophets and Bishops, Idiots pay #200 tithe. There is no truth in the statement that the offerings of 20,000 people, lets even say in Zamfara can't buy car engine. Offerings by 20,000 heads, in a place where people are made to believe that money doubling gods will tripple their offerings instantly will surely enter millions of naira. Is the car a Roll Royce or a Bugatti? #200 x20,000 is N4 million in case you don't know. But I can assure you these breeds of Pentecostal pastors will openly protest if all they see in their offering box is 200 naira notes. Grow up Pastor Bezimo, get new caustic words in your coersion-arsenal. |
Religion / Re: ''Tithes And Offerings Don't Buy Jets'' - Apostle Anselm Madubuko by Topgainer: 7:57pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
Apostle Anslem Madubuko just lied to himself. Those picture statements credited to him are the same old manipulative quotes not necessarily Biblical but sufficient to keep the captives. Criticism/ correction of bad conducts is part of Christianity. If you don't want to be criticized for doing the wrong thing do the right thing. Paul didn't spare Peter for his hypocrisy, Jesus didn't spare the High Priest, the Pharisees and the Sanhedrins. How much more the crops of avaricious religious Kings we have today. I know they will fight back FRZ for exposing them so badly but not in the manner Apostle Anslem has taken it to. So childish and pointless, imagine projecting 'I pay tithe come and beat me'. If Apostle Anslem will take loan to build his own University and get himself a private jet, that does not mean there are no Pastors whose revenue is tithes, seeds, offerings and partnerships in a year can acquire jets. One of them said he didn't take loans to build his empire that includes at least 2 Universities, 3 jets, a chain of businesses, stocks and bonds, real estates and hundreds of profit making secondary schools. |
Religion / Re: Man's Hands Covered By Bees After He Stole A Car From The Owner (Video, Photo) by Topgainer: 7:42am On Oct 26, 2017 |
Are the bees made of Iron that insecticides cannot kill them? We have seen this type of aggressive marketing albeit staged from two categories of men. Pastors and Sangomas. Just recently one did a show to prove the efficacy of anti theft charm which could make the thief mad surprisingly, many gullibles praised the 'powers' . Unfortunately, a cctv camera recorded the staging process and made his marketing efforts futile. 46 Likes 5 Shares |
Religion / Re: Prophet Victory Ibe Buys A Car, Flaunts Bundles Of Cash In Rivers (Photos) by Topgainer: 2:39pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
Display to recruit and entice more slaves into the fold. The gang of talknado Prophets are really despicable creatures. Flaunting few bundles of naira and material acquisitions. This not the demeanor of Christianity. The origin is from cult and occult groups who have infilterated Christianity and sole purpose is to lure people further away from the truth and sound Christian doctrine. No wise man will be comfortable inside this Prophet Ibe Victory's Church Center. 53 Likes 4 Shares |
Religion / Re: Pastor Chibuzor Chinyere Rejects A Rolls Royce Birthday Gift by Topgainer: 2:15pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
The battle for the soul of Portharcourt Pentecostal fold between Prophet David Ibiyeomie and Prophet Chibuzor Chinyere. While one portrays himself as a humble man who takes from the rich and gives back to the poor by offering many free things, the other portrays himself as a very arrongant man who speaks nuggets, arrests and fights dissenting voices, enticing more working class youths into his networks and satellites with a little fraction of what he takes from the rich, buying over properties in a show of financial force. While one is buying Rolls Royce, the other is saying I would rather exchange mine for more free schools. The last time, one was showing "righteousness" in fighting cheap prostitutes while the other was rehabilitating them and sponsoring their weddings. I am suspicious of the source of the abilities both profess regarding the Christianity. One should just kill the other to own the Market. I don't really know who will win the match because both have really acquired powers. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Sow into our ministry and get Connected,young Nigerian pastor says by Topgainer: 12:09am On Oct 25, 2017 |
He is learning from those before him. If he is able to multiply the seed money gotten from 1% of those who believe in him then, his dream of becoming like his Senior Major Prophets and Bishop Daddies will materialize. He will be emboldened the more to demand that people should bring money to him before god will bless them and solve their problems. From begging, to coercion, to compulsion and ostracizing those who do not pay up, is the common path for men who trade money for blessings. How did he come about the name of Major Prophet? |
Religion / Re: It’s A Sin To Pay Tithe – Pastor Chris Ojigbani by Topgainer: 11:05pm On Oct 21, 2017 |
watchwoman:There is no point hiding the name of the Church. Which Bible passage do they use to support the practice? |
Religion / Re: It’s A Sin To Pay Tithe – Pastor Chris Ojigbani by Topgainer: 10:51pm On Oct 21, 2017 |
watchwoman:A child has tithe card in your church. This is really a desperate scheme. Does your Pastor have a Bible passage to support this one? |
Religion / Re: Have You Ever Been Blessed Through Tithing And Giving In Church? by Topgainer: 10:40pm On Oct 21, 2017 |
pacretus:Lol " I pay my tithe I give my firstfruit The Of course, you do. 7 Likes |
Religion / Re: Reason Why It Is A Sin To Pay Or Receive Tithes” — Pastor Chris Ojigbani by Topgainer: 4:26pm On Oct 21, 2017 |
somehow:Were you thinking the boy could pass any point across? Take a flashback at his posts, you will find out the boy has never written any sensible thing. His grammatical errors are so many, that sometimes I wonder how somebody who fails to appreciate elementary English will pride himself to have understanding of portions of the Bible like the Letters of the learned St. Paul. Most times he vias off point. Please, ignore that boy. Examples from this thread. I have just did. The pastor is fake no need to argue with him That pastor is just speaking based on what he understand.The book of Genesis to Revelation were not written for written sake. They're the false prophets the Bible talk of because 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Pastor David Ibiyeomie Celebrates His 55th Birthday (portrait Sketch). by Topgainer: 1:03pm On Oct 21, 2017 |
He doesn't look or act a man of God to me. I will not see him as a Pastor till he denouces certain things, he knows them. He is successful in his trade and deserves a birthday gift to himself- the jet. Every successful businessman is entitled some luxurious items once in a while, to cool off the years of hardwork. It is not easy to capture and hold many youths spellbound. It takes a lot of hardwork to prepare the captivating talks and nuggets. Ibiyeomie is not a Pastor, he should be a Christian first. I will take Barr. Nyesom Wike for a man of god ahead of David Ibiyeomie. |
Religion / Re: It’s A Sin To Pay Tithe – Pastor Chris Ojigbani by Topgainer: 9:59am On Oct 21, 2017 |
The Tithe Preachers will definitely fight back, if it were possible they will want him dead. Pastor Chris Ojigbani should please be vigilant The Tithe preachers who live large at the expense of the larger Christian body will converge an emergency meeting at the end of which Pastor Chris will be labelled a heretic and an obstacle to Christians receiving God's "blessings". I think some credits should be accorded to KunleOsob a.k.a Pastor Kun who as far back as 2008 did an expose on the fraudulent scheme on nairaland and many online media. That was the foundation, many more people woke up to the TRUTH of that scheme. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Is it A Sin To Pay Tithe? - Ivoryfile by Topgainer: 9:20am On Oct 20, 2017 |
Very Good, he realized it is a misinterpretation. The tithe crusaders know but because it is the main source of their stupendous profiting they will continue to preach and twist the tithe messages. The truth will always excel it doesn't matter how long it takes. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Topgainer: 9:06am On Oct 20, 2017 |
petra1:A promise to give tithe by Jacob if some conditions are met, has become Jacob paid tithe (money) to you folks, which was not recorded anywhere. The different structure, very different with the structure of Jewish, Abraham, and now "Jocabian and Isaacian tithe" who invented it? Daddy Papa and the Gentile Bishop man of gods? Show us who invented this different structure of tithing that involved people bringing 10% of their wages and salaries to a gentile Bishop weekly. Can you see how shallow you lots are in defending your money tithe scheme. Pastor Dr Omor Felix lost it from page one and I think at this point he should call for help from more experienced scammers who could still have some fresh points, like telling us how Jacob and Isaac paid tithe. The obvious reason Goshen360 is bringing up facts here is to show the readers the baseless defence of tithe scheme by folks like Apostle- in -training Dr Felix Omor. From page one of this thread, Pastor Felix has failed to raise a point of law (Bible being the constitution here) to support any of the points he made. A scheme that has put so much money in the hands of the few tithe crusaders at the expense of the larger Christian population. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Do This With Your Tithe Instead Of Giving It To Private Jet Owners (see Photos) by Topgainer: 8:40pm On Oct 15, 2017 |
deebrain:You are in dire need of the most important blessings- salvation. When you get it, you shall know the value of the Pearl compared to the illusion of the money doubling scheme you promote for Christians. Besides, you have NEVER paid tithe, because 10% of your little salary and wages given before/to a Gentile Pastor is not Tithe. |
Religion / Re: Do This With Your Tithe Instead Of Giving It To Private Jet Owners (see Photos) by Topgainer: 8:33pm On Oct 15, 2017 |
deebrain:Surely, You are a Pastor. No group is pained so much like those who felt threatened by the truth on Jewish Tithe laws, than the very few who have been living large and in stupendous wealth at the expense of a larger Christian population. Can you name the Levite you paid the Tithe to and the tribe in Israel you belong to ? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Topgainer: 7:53pm On Oct 15, 2017 |
felixomor:You have not tackled the questions raised in the other threads, you ran here to cry about Freeze exposing your kind. I am sure you told your followers and church members today that Tithe is a Law and a command using Malachi as reference. Another question, the Tithe that started before the Law was it the same with 10% of peoples' wages and salary submitted regularly to a Gentile Papa Bishop? 4 Likes |
Religion / Re: Apostle Ele Adeojo Replies Daddy Freeze by Topgainer: 8:42am On Oct 15, 2017 |
No Apostle of Jesus would talk the way this self-acclaimed Senior Apostle has spoken. I read his shallow twisting of the Bible to support tithe. e.g. from point 7 down. Quoting scripture randomly to suit his bias. It is obvious he is among the gang that will mandate an intending couple to clear arrears of 10% of their income before any wedding can take place. His extrapolation of Matt 6:21 about heart and treasures, and Luke 8:1-3 to mean tithe, gives him out as a major false Prophet and a Bible manipulator. Just look at point 10, and see the pseudo-Levite sum up his bias. The fact that field workers and other categories of workers, were paid cash and people earned daily wages (Money was used much the same way we use it today) yet tithe was restricted to farm produce challenges the Prophets claim I think this Senior Apostle whatever he is, should summarize his manipulations by 1. Giving us a passage where Jesus, Peter and Paul commanded believers to submit 10% of their wages or salary before a Gentile Bishop, Prophet, Apostle or Pastor as Tithe. 2. Giving us a Bible passage where Jesus took tithes from Christians. 3. Give us a passage where Christians paid tithe to the Churches and at what point in the history of the Jewish tithing laws did it change from farm produce to money. As more people are realizing the truth about the fraudulent scheme perpetuated by Gentiles, the very few making stupendous wealth at the expense of the larger Christian population will fight hard to maintain the status quo, through twisting the Bible. Like I always say, they should write new versions of the Bible where they can incorporate their ideas because the KJV and the Greek manuscripts do not have any such commands or laws for Christians. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Do This With Your Tithe Instead Of Giving It To Private Jet Owners (see Photos) by Topgainer: 8:14am On Oct 15, 2017 |
Hilaskee:If he took the money he used for that building assuming it represented 10% of his monthly earnings, to a Church, registered and operated by a Gentile Bishop Daddy Papa, it is still not Tithe. |
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