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Religion / Re: Pastor Blessing Agboli: "Tithes And Offerings Cannot Buy Private Jets" by Topgainer: 7:53am On Nov 15, 2017
Osashalom:
Only fools leave proves and pursue after arguments.
Everybody pays tithe wether you like or not, wether you know it or not. You either pay to God or to the devil.
The devil always takes more than necessary.
The choice is yours...
Wicked and Greedy Pastors issuing empty threats and curses. Can you explain how it is paid to the devil?
https://www.nairaland.com/2136181/christian-narrative-curses-spell-casting
Religion / Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Topgainer: 7:39am On Nov 15, 2017
transformed:
When you are paid like a king but you live like a maid...no savings, indebted to subordinates or mates, struggling to achieve what your counterparts achieved with little stress, hard for you to keep track of your expenses, zero impact on peoples life... It is time for you to try tithing... Even if you are a general in the free sheeple army of Mr Freeze...
Nil Bible correlation, doctrines of men.
Fat lie, subtle threats and empty curses.
https://www.nairaland.com/2136181/christian-narrative-curses-spell-casting
Religion / Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Topgainer: 6:48am On Nov 15, 2017
https://www.nairaland.com/2136181/christian-narrative-curses-spell-casting
G.Os./Bishops known for throwing empty curses upndown are most likely occult men. And no Christian should be afraid of them.
Religion / Re: Pastor Blessing Agboli: "Tithes And Offerings Cannot Buy Private Jets" by Topgainer: 11:14am On Nov 14, 2017

I don't go to those types of Churches much less the ones belonging to women of her kind. I can't just imagine myself in her Church Center.

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Religion / Re: Pastor Wakes Everybody In Mortuary by Topgainer: 10:34pm On Nov 13, 2017
ProsperOkec:


that is fund. even during the time of Peter he raised the dead. but when the church needed Money it was by contribution.
that was why those couple died when they lied the amount they sold their own land.
Do you believe in that Prophet's stories particularly that of calling a dead member of his Church on phone?
The contributed money and today's fund soliciting served different purposes. Acts 4/5
Religion / Re: Pastor Wakes Everybody In Mortuary by Topgainer: 9:39pm On Nov 13, 2017
ProsperOkec:


watch share your thoughts.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raIUjCReoBk
Sweet story, if he has been doing more action than story telling, all the Pentecostal movement in Nigeria will collapse into his Church.
The Nigeria Prophet that can resurrect a dead mosquito has not been born. The magicians we have around know their limits, although, they want the sheeples to see them as supermen. The fact is that they don't represent Jesus, they represent their insatiable quest for material acquisition and the occult groups they belong to.
Some persons actually believe that their Papa Daddy can raise all dead people in a mortuary but can't pray down the money they need for taking the false prosperity gospel to London, Dubai and California. The money must come from twisting scriptures to extort the sheeples. Which is easier raising a stone dead human or making money appear from nowhere?

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Religion / Re: "It Pays To Pay Your Tithe" - D'banj Stands With The "Sheeple" by Topgainer: 2:16pm On Nov 12, 2017
All the cooperate Prostitutes in Lagos, Abuja, Portharcourt and Owerri pay tithe. They locate a Prosperity Church Center where the gods of money will be given his 10% gratitude cut and will then connect them to the next customer right there at the Center. It might even the Pastor Papa who will gladly share the days collections for a 30 minutes bout.
Religion / Re: Policeman Opens Car Door For Apostle Johnson Suleman, Nigerians React (Photo) by Topgainer: 2:05pm On Nov 12, 2017
I heard Fulani Herdsmen wanted him down, he should protect himself. If he can afford the services of Police, Soldiers, DSS and Touts. Why not.
His followers will not want him hacked down by the murderous herdsmen.
Religion / Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Topgainer: 1:58pm On Nov 12, 2017
bedspread:

WHY NOT LEAVE ALL THESE TALK BY PERSONALLY LOOKING OUT FOR A PLACE THAT FEEDS U WITH THE WORD, A PLACE THAT TELLS YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GOD AND HIS WORD, A PLACE THAT PREACHES AND PRACTICES HOLINESS, A PLACE THAT PRICKS YOU TO REPENTANCE.... PAY YOUR TITHE DER..... there are fraudsters everywhere I. The Name of Church... but There are also placed Where The True Gospel is preached...
It's your Choice bro....
Search For Where that GOD is . And Pay your Tithe There....
Am a CHOSEN, And I pay My Tithe in The Lords Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement
What true Gospel do you preach at Chosen? Women who use hair attachment shall go to hell.
Little wonder you behave the way you do. Listen, I am not convinced about your Chosen Movement. I will never again step into Chosen Movement, was there twice in 2007. I heard Pastor Muoka preach on the two occasions, I was not convinced that he is different from the others. I will rather worship with the Catholic Charismatic -watchman than join Muoka's mopol.
I don't like Muoka's Chosen. My choice is to separate what I like from what I don't like.
Regarding payment of Tithe, pay and do as you like, I don't care about that.
I will not say more in other not to spoil your Sunday, and deflate your self-righteousness and overbloated ego. Last line, don't dare armed bandits with your green Apron, they are not bulletproof vests.
Religion / Re: No Nigerian Prophet Or Pastor Is Qualified To Receive Your Tithes - Daddy Freeze by Topgainer: 6:48am On Nov 12, 2017
There is no debate coming up.
The Pastors will not come because they don't have sufficient Bible backing to prove that the current tithe regime can be attributed to Jesus. They shall only be screaming revelation and spiritual principle.
The New Testament Bible is a sealed book and every revelation to Christians that is considered binding must have roots in the teachings of Christ. It doesn't matter how angelic and result oriented the revelation is, if it is not part of the Apostolic doctrine practiced by the early Church, then it shouldn't be binding on Christians.

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Religion / Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Topgainer: 8:38pm On Nov 11, 2017
bedspread:

I AM A TITHE PAYER. I DO IT COS MY DADDY, MY ALMIGHTY DADDY, MY CREATOR ASKS NE TO DO IT...
IF PASTOR LIKES LET HIM SPEND IT ANYHOW, HE WILL SETTLE THAT WITH GOD....
MY ADVICE IS THAT YOU LOOK OUT FOR A PLACE OF WORSHIP WHERE U SURE GOD WORD IS THOUGHT IN TRUTH... COS YOU NEED A GOOD GROUND FOR UR SEED TO GERMINATE.
Pastor Bedspread, this is for your consideration since we pastors don't have the kind of quotations that would support our Tithe Scheme, we may find a way to smuggle this into the New Testament Bible. Our headache is that the Bible does not permit additions.
Excerpts from the proposed Book of Tithe ( by Bishop Daddy Papa) to be included in the revised new testament.
Verse 1. If it is not your field you dare not put mouth. All Christians should allow the ordained Gentile-Levites collect and manage that money.

2. You dare not ask the Daddy Papa how he used the money.
Verse 3. you shall allow God to judge the usuage because it doesn't concern you.
Verse 4. If you are not paying you shall get divine curses from Jesus
Verse 5. If you are not paying, you shall not dissuade those obeying the command afterall it is not your money.
Verse 6. I tithe, come and beat me.
Verse 7. Unto you Christians it is given this law to bring all the money tithe to the Pastor and his Church Center.
Verse 8. The Pastor is hereby commanded to use it to build Universities, estates, businesses and corporations for the Lord.
Verse 9. The Pastor must ensure that tithe cards and registers are printed and issued out to all Christians. Defaulters shall not be allowed to wed, be buried or have the Church attend to them.
Verse 10. Anybody who questions the status quo shall die.
Chapter 2
Verse 1. Concerning the methods of tithing that Jesus did not teach while on earth which I have packaged by revelation to special humans for all Christians.
2. The Gentile Pastors are hereby changed to Levites. All privileges accorded to the Levites of the descendants of Levi are extended to them.
3. However, they are permitted to own lands, do businesses, sell books and anything they so desire to Christians.
4. Tithe is a commandment which Jesus forgot to pass to the Apostles.
5. Tithe can bless you oh sons of men
6. Tithe can protect you and all that concerns you
7. Tithe can provide all your needs
8. Tithe ensures you receive mercy
9. Tithe makes you very rich and opens the revelation of money to you
10. Tithe makes you not to lack and ensures no devils attack your home appliances
11. Tithe makes your finances not to be tight
12. Tithe will help man of god procure and maintain jets which are the only vehicle required to take the gospel to London, Paris, Dubai, Constantinople, Dubai and New york.
13. Pastors must preach tithe to members as in it lies their financial liberation.
14. Payment of tithe ensures you don't ever visit mechanics
15. Payment of tithe insures your health, you don't have to spend money in hospitals
16. Payment of tithe insures you against armed robbers and thieves.
17. Payment of tithe will help you make heaven and avoid curses.
18. All tithes of Agricultural yields and spoils of war are hereby suspended. From henceforth, tithe will be money. Times have changed.
19. All these Revelations did not come to Apostle Paul, but to gentile Bishops who are scattered all over Africa and among the black races.
20. All treasures of money, financial explosions, the keys to world banks and gold mines are reserved for Christians who pay tithes.
21. When you can pay in American dollars you shall also be rewarded with the minting machines of Bank of America delivered to your door steps.

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Religion / Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Topgainer: 12:02pm On Nov 11, 2017
Topgainer:
Pastorpreneurs are writing a new Bible that will answer all of the questions. Excerpts from the proposed Book of tithe to be included in the revised new testament.
Verse 1. If it is not your field you dare not put mouth. Daddy Freeze should shut up and allow the ordained Levites collect and manage that money.

2. You dare not ask the Daddy Papa how he used the money.
Verse 3. you shall allow God to judge the usuage because it doesn't concern you.
Verse 4. If you are not paying you shall get divine curses from Jesus
Verse 5. If you are not paying, you shall not dissuade those obeying the command afterall it is not your money.
Verse 6. I tithe, come and beat me.
Verse 7. Unto you Christians it is given this law to bring all the money tithe to the Pastor and his Church Center.
Verse 8. The Pastor is hereby commanded to use it to build Universities, estates, businesses and corporations for the Lord.
Verse 9. The Pastor must ensure that tithe cards and registers are printed and issued out to all Christians. Defaulters shall not be allowed to wed, be buried or have the Church attend to them.
Verse 10. Anybody who questions the status quo shall die.
Chapter 2 of the Book of Tithe in the proposed additions to the New Testament. For the consideration of Pastorpreneurs Only.
Verse 1. Concerning the methods of tithing that Jesus did not teach while on earth which I have packaged by revelation to special humans for all Christians.
2. The Gentile Pastors are hereby changed to Levites. All privileges accorded to the Levites of the descendants of Levi are extended to them.
3. However, they are permitted to own lands, do businesses, sell books and anything they so desire to Christians.
4. Tithe is a commandment which Jesus forgot to pass to the Apostles.
5. Tithe can bless you oh sons of men
6. Tithe can protect you and all that concerns you
7. Tithe can provide all your needs
8. Tithe ensures you receive mercy
9. Tithe makes you very rich and opens the revelation of money to you
10. Tithe makes you not to lack and ensures no devils attack your home appliances
11. Tithe makes your finances not to be tight
12. Tithe will help man of god procure and maintain jets which are the only vehicle required to take the gospel to London, Paris, Dubai, Constantinople, Dubai and New york.
13. Pastors must preach tithe to members as in it lies their financial liberation.
14. Payment of tithe ensures you don't ever visit mechanics
15. Payment of tithe insures your health, you don't have to spend money in hospitals
16. Payment of tithe insures you against armed robbers and thieves.
17. Payment of tithe will help you make heaven and avoid curses.
18. All tithes of Agricultural yields and spoils of war are hereby suspended. From henceforth, tithe will now be money. Times have changed.
19. All these Revelations did not come to Apostle Paul, but to gentile Bishops who are scattered all over Africa and among the black races.
20. All treasures of money, financial explosions, the keys to world banks and gold mines are reserved for Christians who pay tithes.
21. When you can pay in American dollars you shall also be rewarded with the minting machines of Bank of America delivered to your door steps.

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Religion / Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Topgainer: 8:48am On Nov 11, 2017
Pastorpreneurs are writing a new Bible that will answer all of the questions. Excerpts from the proposed Book of tithe to be included in the revised new testament.
Verse 1. If it is not your field you dare not put mouth. Daddy Freeze should shut up and allow the ordained Levites collect and manage that money.

2. You dare not ask the Daddy Papa how he used the money.
Verse 3. you shall allow God to judge the usuage because it doesn't concern you.
Verse 4. If you are not paying you shall get divine curses from Jesus
Verse 5. If you are not paying, you shall not dissuade those obeying the command afterall it is not your money.
Verse 6. I tithe, come and beat me.
Verse 7. Unto you Christians it is given this law to bring all the money tithe to the Pastor and his Church Center.
Verse 8. The Pastor is hereby commanded to use it to build Universities, estates, businesses and corporations for the Lord.
Verse 9. The Pastor must ensure that tithe cards and registers are printed and issued out to all Christians. Defaulters shall not be allowed to wed, be buried or have the Church attend to them.
Verse 10. Anybody who questions the status quo shall die.

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Religion / Re: Let Me Ask You, Is He God? - Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Johnson Suleiman by Topgainer: 8:35am On Nov 11, 2017
You must understand that the core Pentecostal Prosperity Movement is built on the worship of the created rather than the creator. It is a business model that separates the people into two classes. On one hand, are the King Daddy Papa, the Mummy Mamas, the Aides of Daddy Papa, the branch managers and the Marketers. On the other hand, are the slaves, the workers, the intimidated, the sheeples, the desperate and the expendables.
The first category would wish that the Bible was not available in the hands of the second category. So, that people like Mr Freeze will not find the premise to ask questions about their unchristlike conducts.
I am not waiting for answers from the Christian tithe (money) crusaders because they actually have none to give. Maybe they should meet and write a new Bible where their ideas of how all Christians should bring 10% of the money received to the King Daddy Papa weekly will be engraved. And the popular phrase, don't you dare ask the Daddy Papa how he used the money will do well as verse 2.
Verse 3. you shall allow God to judge the usuage because it doesn't concern you.
Verse 4. If you are not paying you shall get divine curses from Jesus
Verse 5. If you are not paying, you shall not dissuade those obeying the command afterall it is not your money.
Verse 6. I tithe, come and beat me.
Verse 7. Unto you Christians it is given this law to bring all the money tithe to the Pastor and his Church Center.
Verse 8. The Pastor is hereby commanded to use it to build Universities, estates, businesses and corporations for the Lord.
Verse 9. The Pastor must ensure that tithe cards and registers are printed and issued out to all Christians. Defaulters shall not be allowed to wed, be buried or have the Church attend to them.
Verse 10. Anybody who asks questions should die.
Religion / Re: Apostle Suleman Replies Daddy Freeze on Tithing Controversy by Topgainer: 7:44pm On Nov 10, 2017
It is becoming clearer by the day that the Christianity where brethren fellowship and share common wealth is giving way for the Christian Corperations where the CEOs instill fear of themselves in their slaves and cajole them to bow the knee.
"How dare you ask questions don't you know I am a man of god"
"If I hear pim, I curse you" are among the word tools used to control the herd.
Jesus, Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter and the early Church didn't need tithe to maintain God's work, yet they were most effective.

I think God is in the business of liberating Christians pinned down by false Shepherds who are more interested in erecting commercial empires. It is worse now than when Jesus used cain to drive away traders and bureau de change operators from the Jerusalem Temple.
What else will they not sell in churches today for profit? Anointed water, blood of Jesus, magazines, books, tapes, stickers, bangles, wristband, handkerchief, seeds, fruits, tickets, bills, anointed bread, even abstract things like hope, mercy, faith, blessings, healings, success, warfare, breakthrough and favours are all up for sale to people that can come forward with the money. In the worst cases, the prize tags are mentioned. For instance people who need favours should stand with a million each to support the work of God. Those who need breakthrough should come forward for special prayers with half a million each.
This is pure mockery of the foundational Church and the grace of Jesus.
More people will continue to ask questions about this brand of Christianity where money is the god and men of gods its chief servants.

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Religion / Re: Sign Fireman's Visit To Surulere Shuts Down The Region. by Topgainer: 9:16am On Nov 10, 2017
ductive:
My Fathers is a real man of God. Antywhale, you are a marine demon. Yes you were there when Seyi Rogues came to steal from my father cos you possessed him. I can see your anger at being exposed, made to confess, humiliated and being cast out. Pele! Just go back to your marine world. That is where you belong. There Dr. Fireman's anointing will not come and torture you. But if you fail to shut up and go back, Dr. Fireman's Holy Ghost anointing for judgment will finish you. You ain't seen nothing yet. Ijiot!

His Holiness Prophet Dr. Sign Captainfire Fireman and his thugs. grin
Oga Fireman, let's say you are a man of god, anointed by your god for signs and wonders on your followers, you are the real man of god to your children.
Do you now feel better Sir?
Religion / Re: Motorist Uses "I Tithe" As Car Number Plate (Photo) by Topgainer: 8:44am On Nov 10, 2017
Soon Private Jets will carry registration number of I tithe. It is the same scam artists doing all kinds of absurd marketing of things that are of least importance in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Will Jesus drive a car with such a plate number if he were to be here with us today? Will Jesus say things like "I tithe come and beat me"
They are really unsettled by the fact that many more people are beginning to ask questions.

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Religion / Re: Tithing:the Gullibility And Hypocrisy Of The Nigerian Christian By Nkechi Bianze by Topgainer: 8:26am On Nov 10, 2017
The reigning Prosperity PsudoChristian movements that demand, coerce and extort money from people, create lords from among men for men, make emperors of Church Corperations and make slaves of gullible men are the greatest scam of this century. The goldmine for those King Daddy, their Queen Mamas and their heir apparent, King Jnr is the black population anywhere in the world.
I realized this long time ago, It looked like the hypnotic effect was pulled out of me. Thank God I did, I realized the scam.
Those centers are companies belonging to Daddy Bishop and wife (Trustees) and will most likely be handed down to a smart son Bishop Jnr. The word 'We', 'it belongs to all of us' and 'it is a collective vision' is used only when they need to get money from the slaves. It doesn't apply when it comes to distribution of the wealth.

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Religion / Re: Sign Fireman's Visit To Surulere Shuts Down The Region. by Topgainer: 5:19pm On Nov 09, 2017
Before you consider worshiping at His Holiness Prophet Sign 'Captainfire' Fireman's church, digest this thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/1479564/avoid-these-nigerian-ghanian-pastors
Religion / Re: "Man Gets Pregnant After Sleeping With His Master's Wife" - Prophet SEER 1 by Topgainer: 7:55am On Nov 08, 2017
Talknado gangsters are despicable beings. They lie a lot and are full of tricks. How is this different from that of one Apostle in South Africa, a friend of Joshua Iginla who made a woman deliver a bouncing catfish after the supposed 3 years pregnancy. God have mercy on the sheeples and hypnotized folks under Seer one.
Religion / Re: Sign Fireman's Visit To Surulere Shuts Down The Region. by Topgainer: 7:38am On Nov 08, 2017
Hohey:
This was great. I saw it.
Dominic2017:
Monkey? Toploser. Moniker is the name of your wife. Imagine when monkey meets with moniker i wonder what they wl give birth to. That when you hear names like; munkaila etc. I reserve my commnt.
oyibombakara:
What a great man of God.
Gabylady88:
God is still in the business of meeting His sons and daughters at the point of there needs.
Gabylady88:
Just like the bible days.
Sunnyiyk2010:
This is revival
Gabylady88:
Simply wonderful
Bishopmax45:
Blind eyes were opened, the lame walked, deaf ears were opened, even the maimed were restored. It was an invasion like never before. I was there. God be praised.
Lol! His Holiness Bishop Sign Fireman, you and I know you ain't a Christian let alone a Prophet. Your close friend His Holiness Rev King was sentenced to death by hanging some time ago by the supreme court. I didn't know that after you narrowly escaped the same fate, you will be back to business of performing tricks. You don't impress me as much as Rev King except you have acquired some new tricks and powers.
Now, listen to the truth Bishop, no child of God will be deceived for long by your kinds, if you wish make fire to fall from heaven it still does not make you a Christian.
Pay for adverts on teles, radios and blogs, print billboards and hire people for rally. These are more effective than creating many more 'monikers'.
Religion / Re: Sign Fireman's Visit To Surulere Shuts Down The Region. by Topgainer: 11:19pm On Nov 07, 2017
Captainfire777:
Wow it was the bomb... cool shocked I was there live... A man of God like no other....
Prophet Sign Fireman, I sight you and your numerous monikers grin
So Good to know God allowed you a second chance may be you will repent. The other time Police was on your matter over that guy that was caught with a lad's fresh head.
While you were away alot has happened, new Prophets stole the show. I hope you have laid hands on more captivating tricks to recover your sheeples from them. E.g can you make miracle money fall into people's bank account, pockets and wallets.
Do you really think this your style of advertising will work? I don't think so. Just pay for advert on front page instead of creating numerous monikers.
Religion / Re: Bishop Miracle Williams Gifted Range Rover Jeep After His Hummer Jeep Got Burnt by Topgainer: 11:02pm On Nov 07, 2017
Sparkcle:

Even in your cynicism you know very much you owe him an apology! Of course we have seen him, looking handsome, prospering, giving to charity, doing great things for God. What about you and your wrecked life? Its important you understand that this earth isn't for you, get down to six feet under the ground and partake there! Your unwanted opinion isn't useful here but there! You slimy swine!

ArchBishop Sparkcle Fireman, is that you? Which new tricks did you bring this time? You and I know that you aint any Christian let alone Prophet of the Most High. I want to believe the powers you got this time will make you 'invincible'.
Religion / Re: Pastor E.A Adeboye Reacts To Daddy Freeze's Comments On Tithes (VIDEO) by Topgainer: 10:47pm On Nov 06, 2017
djon78:

You know I laugh at this generation, they will quote this and that. My friend bring down yourself from your high horse. A generation that will never humble themselves and raise up there voice in arrogance. A generation of babies that don't even understand the basic rudiments of faith. Is it not a wonder that all manner of evil not known to man is practiced by this generation and they will still claim to know God.
A very godless and perverse generation
We will continue following the ancient pathway laid down to us by our fathers. Yes we willingly.
Child, I asked you a simple question based on the post you made earlier. Should I repeat it?
Can you state the Blessings you received because you 'tithe' which another who simply believed in Christ's completed work will not ? I don't believe that tithe can give me the blessings Jesus cannot give me because my Bible didn't attach any such conditions in my completeness in Christ. Besides, taking 10% of my money to a gentile Bishop is not tithing.
Pastor, think well before you answer because your rash answers may expose you further. I want to learn those new things and for each of the blessings kindly state where Jesus promised them with money-tithe as the pre- condition to receive them.
Religion / Re: Pastor E.A Adeboye Reacts To Daddy Freeze's Comments On Tithes (VIDEO) by Topgainer: 9:37pm On Nov 06, 2017
djon78:
These guys against tithes are agents of darkness, anybody listening to them will have himself to blame. Most of them have never paid tithe before, therefore has never received the blessing associated with tithing. So people should beware of them. That is my own
I can't help laughing at your threats and curses. No true Christian can be threatened, cursed or condemned by you and your gods of men.
Nobody is against tithe, people have only questioned the tithe practiced in churches today as against the Biblical tithe. It has been proven, as none of the tithe crusaders have come up with a Biblical support for the present tithe regime, that this money, weekly and coerced tithe payment is not from Jesus, Peter or Paul.
Can you state the Blessings you received because you 'tithe' which another who simply believed in Christ's completed work will not receive.
Good enough you have stated what you hear from your gods and not from your Bible.
I don't believe that tithe can give me the blessings Jesus cannot give me because my Bible didn't attach any such conditions in my completeness in Christ. Besides, taking 10% of my money to a gentile Bishop is not tithing.
'All' the occult pentecostal pastors, apostles and bishops identify with Adeboye these days. They even take 'tithe' to him. Adeboye needs prayers. I said this before ( remember when he raised a short wooden staff of power before his followers), if you guys love the man, pray for him.

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Religion / Re: Pastor Penuel Mnguni Orders Members To Eat Cockroach During Church Service (Pics by Topgainer: 7:44am On Nov 06, 2017
This pastor did not go through proper tutorage. He should have learnt how to use the power to make people empty their bank accounts for him. Once he says he needs it to spread the fake gospel to London, Dubai, Paris, Rome, Dublin and Lisbon, it doesn't matter if he uses the money for the latest toys, the gullible must bring it all.
When you see a gullible running to submit his money to the fake gospel merchants, they always say to people who care to know " just pay up, what the Pastor does with the money is not your business"
Prophet Penuel will need to return the power to whoever gave it to him since he does not want to learn how to use it to rip off his sheeples. Just look at the shanty where he operates from when he should be flying jet, building universities, real estates, owning microfinance banks, gold mines and a chain of local offices remitting money weekly to his HQ.

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Religion / Re: My Brother Wants To End His Marriage Because Of A Prophecy by Topgainer: 7:17pm On Nov 05, 2017
I have been there before now. I resisted the cunning miscreat who desired to manipulate and control our affairs. I am happy I disobeyed the useless and dangerous instructions.
Allow them total control of your life at your own peril. If you must associate with these brands of Prophesying Prophets and gangs, be on your guard because in the midst of one accurate prophecy are lined up potentially destructive 'solutions' and ill conceived plans.
All guide a Christian will ever need are in the Bible. The ones you can't find there are already provided within you.

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Religion / Re: 6 Reasons You Need A Pastor In Your Life by Topgainer: 6:42pm On Nov 05, 2017
talkeverytime:
In today's world where there is lack of respect for spiritual authority and so much bad talks and accusation about men of God, people find it difficult to refer to a particular person as their pastor or man of God probably for the fear of being deceived or duped by the Pastor or being seen as a weak fellow for having "a Pastor".


It should be noted that for the case of this discussion, the word Pastor is used as a generic word for the five fold ministry (Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Pastors and Evangelists).
Now, I've heard a lot of people say things like "I don't need a Pastor to tell me what God says", "I can read the Bible for myself", "God can talk to me anywhere and anytime, I don't need any MOG". Some have even gone as far as labeling all Pastors entrepreneurs and fraudsters. The question I will like to ask you is why did God give us these ministry gifts if we do not need them? In Ephesians 4 verse 11, the Bible says ;
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers" KJV
So did God just give us these gifts that we do not need? No, we need them obviously and that's why he gave them to us. He told us the reason for giving them in the following verses. Ephesians 4 verse 12 - 14
"[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
[14]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; " KJV
I'm going to break down these reasons simpler for you to understand.

You need a "Pastor" to teach you.

I've explained that I'm using the word Pastor for the five fold ministry in this article, so I believe it shouldn't be a problem anymore.
Now you may say you can read the Bible and learn for yourself, I agree with you. In fact, you should read the Bible and know the word for yourself. But that doesn't replace the part of the Pastors, they are specially ordained by God for this purpose and there is an anointing upon their lives to carry it out.

You need someone to monitor your growth.

Yes, you do. Even though not all Pastors perform this properly but it's part of their job. They act like fathers to see to your well-being, your spiritual well-being particularly. Your spiritual well-being controls the physical, so once you perfect it there, you'll perfect it in other areas. So the Pastor watches you grow spiritually and detects when you're not making progress like you should do.

For correction .

This supports the point above. Your Pastor is there to correct you when you miss it. Once he detects that you're doing the wrong thing or not doing something right, he comes in.

You need a Pastor to inspire and motivate you.

You can say this is the work of a motivational speaker. Calm down. What I mean is you need someone to inspire you to do the things of God and to grow spiritually. That is what the Pastor should do with his teaching and his lifestyle.

You need a Spiritual Head to guide you.

There are just sometimes we need guidance. Yes, we have the HolySpirit to guide and direct us. But remember, one of the end reasons God gave us these five fold ministry is that "we should not be tossed to and fro" . It means these offices are required to keep us in a straight path. And you also need someone that represents you on the altar. You should not just pay your tithes to anyone and everyone. Take it to the Church (the church you attend; that is you must have a particular church) and give it in your church, that's where the blessing lies.

To protect you

Yes, your Pastor "keeps" you, through prayers, his word and prophecy over your life and his teachings. The fourteenth verse of Ephesians 11 suggests that Christians can be deceived by the cunning craftiness of men. This five fold ministry helps to prevent that and protect you.
So prayerfully seek for a church and join. Follow the leader attentively, it may be a Pastor, Prophet, Teacher, Apostle or Evangelist. They are all ordained for us.
This is where I'll stop for today. Please feel free to agree or disagree. Drop your comments


Source: http://www.talkeverytime.com/2017/09/6-reasons-you-need-pastor-in-your-life.html
Pastorpreneurs fighting back with all kinds of logic. Who told you that the Jewish Temple = Church, regarding tithe? Which type of Biblical tithe (Abraham spoils of war or the Jewish Agricultural produce) are they to bring to your Church.
Sorry, I had to quote all. It is exactly the rubbish people subscribe to that has made a lot of men robots in the hands of cleverer men, who manipulate and control every inch of breathing space the conquered could have. They control people's homes, work, income (most important), relationships, movements, career choices and ultimately peoples will. Jesus is the only spiritual head a christian should have, He alone inspires, motivates, protects and preserves.

I am yet to understand the sudden surge of miscreants looking for who to call them Papa and Daddy.

The wrongest part of your twisted interpretation of the bible passage is the segregation of 'us and they'. If you understand that the Pastor, Prophet, Teacher, Apostle or Evangelist are categories the totality of us fall into with each complementing the other, you will stop spreading that King (Pastor, Papa-Daddy) and the slaves ( the gullibles that need a Pastor) doctrine. The five fold ministry is given to believers and in a healthy gathering of the believers everyone must fall into a category, without 'Paparing and Daddifying' one brother out of many.
If your notion of needing a Pastor does not accomodate that the Pastor needs you that is a teacher, an evangelist, a prophet or an Apostle to the extent that you share in all good things as much as he is entitled to, then your teachings negates that of Christ. It is then the idolatrous worship of gods of men, the pastor enterpreneurs you talked of and their branch managers.
Religion / Re: Reno Omokri: On Daddy Freeze And The Hoopla About Tithing by Topgainer: 11:02pm On Nov 04, 2017
If people are not coerced to pay and keep paying tithe how would pastorpreneurs have the money to invest in University business, stocks, publishing houses and state of the art machines, jet leasing business, real estates, hotels and hospitality business, music labels, bank fixed deposits , Church microfinance banks and anything you can think of that yields money.
To ensure maximum compliance you often hear Pastorpreneurs issuing threats of devourers targeted at Christian non-tithers. Some say the blessings of Jesus is locked and only tithe can open the lock, and that things are tight for non- tithers, according to the schemers.
This trending Prosperity Pseudogospel requiring people to 'dash' God money before they can access the Blessings in Christ Jesus is the greatest advanced fee fraud in the history of mankind.

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Religion / Re: Why Pastors Use Private Jets And A Question For OAP Freeze - By Ife Olaleye by Topgainer: 6:52am On Nov 04, 2017
I used to think that the moniker statsocial has some reasonable person behind it but I was wrong. It is either he gets his share of the money extorted from Christians or he operates an extortion ring himself. He is so blinded and has a clouded reasoning when it comes to defending pastorpreneurs.
Golf stream G650 will cost nothing less than 18 billion naira if pre-ordered, that should take like 2 years to arrive. Impatient as we Africans are, 3rd party purchase will might cost about the same although, it may have been put into a deal of flight hours by the agency. For each jet, there is a crew and a team that must be paid according to international aviation standards, there is a 'perching' cost and levies. All these and much more ensures that the operating cost is substantial.
A pastor needs as many PJs to take the fake prosperity gospel to London, NY, Paris, Dubai, Caribbean, Amsterdam and Hongkong because they have not heard the gospel of Jesus. Except the Pastor does a personal business like selling tapes, books, wrist bangles and other stuffs for profit,( in any case, he is a false Levite) there is no point comparing his private jets bought and run with the regular contributions of the brethren, with a private car.
It is even an indictment on the Pastors if they do businesses for profit and at the same time lay claim to the Levite stool. Deeperlife, Jehovah witness and some other Church organizations have good books they don't sell for profit despite the millions of copies in print. Example, Awake magazine is a rich book and there is no country on this earth that does not have copies of it in circulation, it is also in as much languages as the Bible. It is not sold for profit.

Why then should a Pastor take pride that he has best seller books and tapes sold to Christians, that rakes in so much profit that can take care of PJs.

There is no fraudulent scheme that can be compared to this trending Prosperity Gospel. It is the greatest advanced- fee- fraud in human history.

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Religion / Re: Video Of Jim Iyke Deliverance: You Judge For Yourself by Topgainer: 11:57am On Nov 02, 2017
petra1:
As against lies peddled . It was not TB Joshua who prayed for jim but one of the wise men.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7dMRbDHbA
Which lies are we talking about here. The executive producer of the deliverance programme is T.B Joshua.
Jim shouldn't cry to anyone, he made himself available to be used. It is common for Prophets and their Church Centers to produce scripts starring Nollywood actors and actresses. I see posters of Church Crusades starring popular t.v celebrities.
Religion / Re: Church Members Walk Out On Pastor Adefarasin Over Tithing by Topgainer: 7:24am On Oct 31, 2017
ireneidiva:

Uncle pastors don't buy Rolls Royce's with church money. Members give them.
You were lied to most of the time. The same way Politicians have fronts, fake Pastors/Bishops do. They do think if members know they got costly toys, most may not want to continue giving money to them 'the lord and gods of men. So many of them have investments using pseudonyms and cronies. Use your head, it is very rare for a member (assuming in legitimate business) to buy jet for his pastor when he could use the money to repair his waterlogged street, provide water for his village people and rehabilitate dilapidated school buildings in his village, worse case get a Rolls Royce or Jet for himself.
I prefer those that are honest enough to say I got it myself, if you are not comfortable with my Church, leave and those who got jets for themselves but pretend they got it on lease.

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