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Religion / Woman's Near-death Vision Of Heaven by torchwave: 7:44am On Apr 06, 2015
[center]Woman's Near-Death Vision Of Heaven Confirms Colton Burpo's Account, Akiane's Painting Of Jesus[/center]


For those of us, the children of God, with the heavenly hope of eternity with Christ. We are not serving a myth but a living, loving Father who wants us to come home and live with Him through all eternity at the appointed time. I saw this testimony and decided to share it with my brothers and sisters having the same living hope in Christ Jesus. Hope it blesses someone out there as it has blesssed me.

She has been a Christian since she was 19, raised in a conservative church that came out of the Anabaptist movement. In her early 60s, she had such a powerful vision of heaven she could barely speak of it, a vision closely matching other contemporary accounts popularized in recent years.

“In all humility, I felt like I was not worthy to speak about what I saw,” says Carol Meyer. She and her husband Vern live on a “gentleman’s horse farm” in Michigan, consisting of a few acres, their modest home, a horse barn, and one tree standing alone in their pasture.


Carol was vice-president of a small bank in Indiana before they retired to their farm in Michigan.

Fourteen years ago, while she slept in the middle of the night, Carol says she was transported to the “edge” of heaven. She had been suffering with a life-threatening gastrointestinal disease that led to a hospitalization immediately before her experience.

Fire, lightning, thunder and water swirled around her as she landed on the floor of Paradise with a “whoosh.” “It was scary and exhilarating all at the same time,” she recounts. “I instantly knew I was in heaven.

“As I was standing there, this incredible peace overtook me. There were no more earthly emotional holes in my spirit. I was completely whole. It was an incredible feeling. This state of being is no doubt part of the scripture that there will be no tears or sorrow in Heaven. It was a very profound experience.”

Carol looked to her right and saw a large angel soldier, dressed in a brownish gown, with no visible wings. His face was set like flint – similar to earthly soldiers guarding important landmarks.

Just beyond him, were three-foot diameter metal tubes sloping down into a cavernous area. Then she delighted as she glimpsed one of her favorite creatures on earth — butterflies.

Oh God, you have all these butterflies up here. This is so awesome! she thought. These butterflies were large and blue, unlike any variety she had seen in North America.

When Carol looked up, she beheld magnificent colors in the sky unlike anything she had ever seen. “It was much more than a beautiful sunset. There were more colors than you’ve ever seen.”

She saw flowers in abundance and heard the sound of either rushing water or a swirling wind. She looked down at her feet and was surprised.

“I was standing on a crystal floor, like gold at its purest point. It was moving in a slight wave.” There were pathways leading in different directions. She was amazed by all the activity she witnessed.

To her left she saw the beginning of a sparkling blue river flowing gently along. “I called it a Rushing River, but the sound was coming from God.”

Then she saw the Lord, who walked out from a ledge covered with grape vines. “He was so beautiful. He had on a soft white linen gown, with a shine to it.” His eyes looked deeply into her soul and she knew instantly He was and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Just as suddenly as Carol was transported to heaven – whether in the body or not, she doesn’t know – she awakened in her bed. “I woke up in my bed, curled up in the fetal position,” she recounts. “I couldn’t believe what happened to me.”

It took her several days to tell her husband and another six months before she could share her story with other relatives.

The following spring, she visited the Meijer Gardens in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Every spring, the gardens play host to a massive butterfly show, featuring thousands of varieties of exotic specimens. She almost fell over when she glimpsed the same blue butterflies she had seen on her heavenly visit, a tropical species native to South America.

Many years after her vision, she read “Heaven is for Real,” the story of four-year-old Colton Burpo’s trip to heaven after his own near-death experience. She was fascinated by his reference to a painting of Jesus by Akiane, the young art prodigy who also had a vision of Jesus.


A friend told her a copy of the painting was at their local Christian bookstore, so she raced there to see it for herself. She almost burst into tears when she viewed it. “The feeling was so powerful. I grabbed it and held it to me.” The painting was so close to the One she saw in her vision, it was uncanny.

Years later, she almost begins to shake when she recalls what she experienced in heaven. “It got me so much I almost couldn’t handle remembering it. That was the effect it had on me. It was like it was so holy it couldn’t come out of my mouth.”



Source: http://blog.godreports.com/2014/10/womans-near-death-vision-of-heaven-confirms-colton-burpos-account-akianes-painting-of-jesus/

Below, the first picture is that of Carol Meyer and her husband, Verne Meyer. The second is the picture of Kramarik Akiane and her paintings of Jesus Christ.

Religion / Re: Only Christians Should Open This Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by torchwave: 5:56am On Apr 06, 2015
Rilwayne001:


undecided better go and find work
Which work is greater in importance than the work commanded by the Lord of hosts? I'd like to know.

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Religion / Re: CAN A Good Witch Still Make Heaven? by torchwave: 2:15pm On Apr 05, 2015
If the righteous will scarcely make heaven, how much more the unbelievers. Op, there are many good people in hell today. The message of salvation is not about your acts of goodness or charity; it is about taking advantage of the grace of God in the death of Jesus on the cross as the ONLY condition for eternal life.

In summary...you already guessed it.
Religion / Re: Mzbel: 'I Don't Believe In Jesus Christ Anymore' by torchwave: 10:00am On Apr 05, 2015
Not recent piece of news.

Salvation is a choice. Everybody is free to have it but many will refuse it, reject it, abandon it, throw it away, lose it carelessly but only few will keep it to the end. The Word of God is true - many are called but few are chosen. May I be found among the few who keep it to the end by His grace.

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Family / Re: 5 Things Ladies Must Look Out For In A Man Before Marrying Him by torchwave: 8:00pm On Apr 03, 2015
Beautiful piece , I concur with the part that said that love comes with knowledge
So many ladies fall blindly in love, fall into a ditch and fall in pieces because they leap without looking. Even with all the warning signs, they walk blindly to the track of an oncoming train that crushes them in a flash. Love is beautiful but without knowledge it becomes a colossal disaster.
Family / Re: Dear Future Husband.. by torchwave: 10:55pm On Mar 18, 2015
ImBae:


Thanks, my future husband is not a Nigerian man. He loves me, I love me too. tongue
hahaha. Lav yur sense of humour.

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Family / Re: Dear Future Husband.. by torchwave: 6:15pm On Mar 18, 2015
Op, u said you never learnt to cook. Hmm. Then you don't have the map to your future man's heart. Food is the fastest way to a man's heart. Weren't you told?

That aside, your affection and wifely duties towards him, your future husband, are conditional, dependent on specified actions that he must take which, in my opinion, is rather selfish. You never mentioned what you'd do for him just for the love of him. I doubt there is, you know why? Everything you said you'd do for him is only a reward for his actions that please you. In the event he does anything contrary to your expectations or when he wrongs you, it is clear you will not 'reward' him with the unconditional love he deserves as your husband.


Anyway, wish you luck in finding your man.
Religion / Re: To Worship God In Spirit And In Truth Is The Easiest Thing To Do On Earth by torchwave: 12:07am On Mar 18, 2015
paxonel:

this is the problem with we nigerians, we don't reason logically.
i didn't put no matter the source in my statement,happiness is our first priority.
You said...
happiness is the first priority in life.
one can socialize anywhere, in school, church etc.
so long it is making him happy
The implication of your statement without moral qualification suggests the absence of regard of the morality or otherwise of the source of one's happiness. In addition, it suggests the selfish scale of preference of one's happiness before others while Christ taught the opposite. Christ taught His disciples to serve others, to be their brothers' keepers. He said those who lose their lives will save it and those who save it will lose it. He said His disciples will be known by their love for each other, not to mention other instructions besides the Gospels to pursue the interests of others and not just ours and you know, if you don't know then know, that love places the happiness of others on its first scale of preference.

i didn't say worship nullify the need for gathering, i never condemned gathering. i even say we gathered to learn the bible which is good .
Let me remind you what you wrote...
Infact, you don't need church again.
you only go to church to learn the bible to improve your knowledge and may be, to sing praises to God, that's all. It's not compulsory.
If the bolded do not nullify the great importance of church gathering for which Jesus Christ appointed the five fold ministry of the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry and the edifying of the body, then what does it do? Are you saying that accepting Christ as Saviour has made the offices of the ministry so less important that they can be done away with? Are you wiser than Jesus Christ who created those offices in the church so that people should not be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine and trickery of men in their deceitful plotting? Read Ephesians 4.

But my point is, worship has nothing to do with gathering or place of worship(as it was called before the crucifixion of Jesus ) .
Not disputing that. Worship goes beyond gathering. It is a lifestyle. We were created to worship. To prove my point, Romans 12:1 says, 'I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.' It is a lifestyle of purity in worshipping God.

so you see, worship can never be act, because everything you do inside church(equivalent to temple ) is act.
act is physical motion of the flesh activities whether in church or anywhere,and not anything spirit.
the bible says what is flesh is flesh and what is spirit is spirit. that means flesh has nothing to do with spirit.
consequently, worship has nothing to do with church.
Worship, like I said, is a lifestyle. It is an act of communion with God. When the Bible said we should pray without ceasing, it meant we should live a lifestyle of worship. As an act it is not limited to one particular activity for which the well known act of singing comes to mind. Worship is way much more than that. True worship is vast. We worship God by thinking about Him, by doing everything as if we are doing them for Him such as doing laundry, eating, drinking, going to work, helping people in need, sleeping, waking, making calls, receiving calls, writing a book, crossing the street, reading, etc etc as long as they are acceptable to God or they do not violate the commandments of God, by practicing the Word of God, by praying, by acknowledging the Presence of God beside you or in you, by being a servant to others, by showing love to people...etc. That is true worship. That is worship in spirit and in truth. As an act it is not limited to church gathering.

Therefore, to worship is simply people(people with a state of being christians and not any other religion )and not any church activity.
I have made my point. It is not a state of being especially to the exclusion of conscious action of reverence to God.
i didn't see do not forsake the gathering among them.
therefore, i will simply see do not forsake the gathering as advice, not commandment. there was a reason, to encourage primitive new converts in those days to remain in the faith .
But today, there are millions of christians worldwide, we are educated now,we don't need that kind of encouragement.
we just know that Jesus is the way, not Muhammad.
Therefore, you will simply see Biblical instructions for holy living and pleasing God such as renewing the mind, wearing the full armour of God, forgiving those who offend us, reconciling with those we are not in good terms with, crucifying the flesh, living for others and not self, abstaining from every appearance of evil, fighting the good fight of faith, giving up the things that hinder us from making heaven and a good number of such instructions that are capable of saving the soul from eternal damnation as pieces of advice that can be discarded if they do not suit your needs or as instructions for new converts in Christianity because we are 'educated'? What education are you referring to by the way, secular or Biblical? Are you aware that not everyone is literate so that they need people, especially pastors to guide them? Are you also aware that many literates do not understand so many instructions in the Bible therefore they need someone to guide them such as Pastors or Apostles or Prophets or Teachers or Evangelists?

Knowing that Jesus is the Way is not the same thing as walking in the Way. Op, your teachings are riddled with so many errors
Religion / Re: To Worship God In Spirit And In Truth Is The Easiest Thing To Do On Earth by torchwave: 9:47am On Mar 17, 2015
Op, worshipping God in truth and spirit means worshipping Him in the beauty of holiness. The Father seeks those with pure hearts to worship Him. It is an act, not a state of being as you wrongly opined.

It is heresy to say being 'worship' nullifies the need for the gathering of believers and that happiness is our primary goal no matter the source. This is demonic doctrine. The Bible commands that WE SHOULD NOT FORSAKE THE GATHERING OF THE BELIEVERS. As well, Jesus gave the greatest commandment which is to love God and our neighbours and love sacrifices its happiness for that of others.

Moreover, when one becomes born again, his or her spirit is transformed, regenerated automatically but we are commanded to worship God with psalms and songs and by lifting holy hands.

Op, all you've said are contrary to the Word of God.

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Religion / Re: I Want To Serve God by torchwave: 3:54am On Mar 17, 2015
Op, there should be an explanation to your lack of zeal in the things of God. Whatever it is, the onus is on you to tackle it. I don't believe it is a spiritual matter that needs prayers but you can ask God to rekindle your zeal to serve Him.

As for scoffers, ignore them. That is the only way to relate with them.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 4:08pm On Mar 08, 2015
hisblud:


y take panadol for someone's headache?
Lol. Clearly he has lost it. I hope there is hope for him.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 4:06pm On Mar 07, 2015
hisblud:
but my question is do you see us upholding any human sacrifice now in the new testament? The last biblical human sacrifice was Jesus Christ and thus ended biblical sacrifice for both man or animal. Qed
My brother, don't bother arguing with a blind man. Their blindness goes deep....appalling. Everybody knows Jesus died on the cross, in act falsely accused as criminal, but in significance a human sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sins. He was charged with crimes He didn't commit and thus killed on false grounds. Not the regular picture of human sacrifice we know, nevertheless a human sacrifice.

So the statement that sparks the frustration of some atheists, that makes them bark like a wounded dog (who cannot but feel some pity for them?) is list two or three human sacrifices that were carried out by people on the express instructions of God in the Bible so that the sacrifices were executed to completion. Till date, they can only cite Jesus in answer to that question. Unarguable. I was hoping they would draw my attention to literal and explicit cases of human sacrifices in the Bible that meet the simple requirement of that statement. They fail woefully in that regard.

To prove their incurable ignorance, they question why God opted to use the blood of His Son to forgive sins rather than just forgive sins with His sovereign will. They, in their limited reasoning capacity, think sin is just that, an act that can be easily overlooked. Since they don't believe in the existence of the spiritual realm or the spirit, how can you explain the mechanics of the operation of sin to them without appearing...how shall I put it...laughable? Their stiff-necked minds cannot fathom things beyond this physical dimension yet they ask you for explanation they cannot process or comprehend, to what end? Ah! A waste of your precious time, you'll come to see, if you purpose to offer any valuable item of explanation to them. They'll just sniff at it, spit at it and trample it under their hoofs leaving you completely stunned at their ignorance and folly.

If a man persists in his blindness even when you show him the way do not help him. If you do, you've deprived him of the opportunity to be wise.

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Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 10:43am On Mar 07, 2015
Weah96:


You have no shame. And you're a dishonest person. What you're doing is the equivalent of TROLLING, by pretending that you were born mentally challenged or that you are dyslexic. There are other id.iots like you here.
And you suppose you'll bring me down to your ignoble level by exchanging words with you? Hahaha. Think again. I'm far above puerile ways and you, my friend, you need to grow up...

The source of your tone of frustration, made visible by your unprovoked invective, is your helpless incapacity to provide cogent answers to substantiate your empty claims.

You have exhausted the very scarce wit (if there was any) you relied on on this issue and so it doesn't come as a surprise you've replaced it with garbage talk. Keep spilling garbage as it becomes your second nature. Be my guest.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 7:33am On Mar 06, 2015
johnydon22:
Would any sane man try to murder his son?


Anyway lets move on.. So Jesus sacrifice was not a human sacrifice? why not go ahead and forgive sins instead of murdering your son, You just proved how blood thirsty and barbaric this your God is ; why demand blood at all before forgiving your sins, why not go ahead and forgive it or is he not all poweful again? pathetic. grin. . . The human sacrifices given to yahweh are staring at you in your face, its your business if you twist and turn them as usual it still doesnt change the fact that its still there..Now go do the needful and sacrifice your child, yahweh will be happy with you... grin
You refuse to admit to yourself the glaring fact that you have no case for argument. None. Just long aimless comment full of wind.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 7:18am On Mar 06, 2015
Weah96:


My friend commot. You're shameless and a liar. Was Jesus a LIAR like you too or is this your own al Taqiyya?

Blood washing away sins means human sacrifice, you dolt. Your God is as useless as a soiled piece of tissue because he can't do anything about your al Taqiyya dishonesty. Even armed robbers are more honest than you.
As you have run out of words to say, name calling is the only logical resort.

Al taqiyyah? From the ridiculous to the pathetic.

So much for Christianity is the BEDROCK OF HUMAN SACRIFICES. Haha. I rest my case.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 8:21am On Mar 05, 2015
Now, atheists have suddenly gone graveyard silent since they can't find any case in the Bible to support their claim that Christianity was founded on the sacrifice of human blood. Sheesh. Atheists.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 8:15am On Mar 05, 2015
pastorwilly:
Good for them....no be only private parts even public parts......de pastor don shaii...end tImes things
Where did you see pastor in the report?
Religion / Re: Jesus Resurrected Me Yesterday When I Died For About 3 Minutes!!!! by torchwave: 10:15pm On Mar 04, 2015
Op, could you add more details leading to the time of your 'death?' What happened in the few minutes before that? I think you may have simply lost consciousness and it was erroneously misinterpreted as death. Anyway, your answer would help me better understand this event.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 5:11pm On Mar 04, 2015
Weah96:


JESUS sacrificed himself after being required to do so by YOUR God. Is it not so? Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42. Forget all this nonsense about your God talking to himself like a retard and asking himself for favors. Jesus had a p)enis and he bled blood. Does your God bleed like human beings? Does your God have a p)enis?
From the beginning, even before the beginning, Jesus was and is still God. He was known as the Word of God. When He came to earth as human, He became known as Jesus the Christ. He wasn't a human in the first place; He was God in human flesh who intentionally gave up His power and deity to die as human because only His blood could wash away sins once and for all. Was He originally human b4 His incarnation? What part of that you don't understand? Besides, for all your bold statement that human sacrifice is the bedrock of Christianity, is that the best you can come up with? I thought there should be at least two or three examples at your disposal?

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Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 4:03pm On Mar 04, 2015
Weah96:
Human sacrifice is the bedrock of Christianity, as Johnydon22 rightfully put it. It exists in normal Christian rhetoric, for example, covering things with the blood, washing things with blood, eating flesh and blood as covenant, and other accepted language of that nature.
Unnecessary prevarication. If indeed the shedding of human blood as sacrifice is the bedrock of Christianity, you shouldn't have any trouble fishing out one or two neat cases of human sacrifice as REQUIRED by God.
Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 3:56pm On Mar 04, 2015
johnydon22:


The story of isaac, any sane man will never attempt to kill his son.

Jephthah offered his daughter as a burnt offering to yahweh because he made a promise that if he yahweh grants him victory in battle he will offer the first thing that comes out of his house to greet him as a burnt offering.

And to crown it all. Jesus was sent by yahweh to sacrifice himself to yahweh so yahweh can forgive your sins and save you from the hell he prepared for you.
And yahweh accepted Jesus sacrifice.. You are asking about human sacrifice when it is the very basics of your faith.
grin grin
I asked a simple question but you seem not to get it. In the first place, if God required Isaac as sacrifice why did He stop Abraham from performing the sacrifice? Did God change His mind in the last minute? Therefore, no blood was shed, obviously.

In the second example you gave, did God require a human sacrifice from Jephthah? Did God tell Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter to Him? Was it not a vow Jephthah made to God thinking (as understood from the events which followed) the first thing he expected that would greet him was perhaps his dog because if he had any human in mind he wouldn't have grieved when his daughter came out to greet him? God accepted his sacrifice as it was a vow that must be kept. Did God require human sacrifice from Jephthah and stop beating about the bush?

In the third example, Jesus was and is God who came in human flesh. The blood of humans cannot wash away the sins of humans just like the blood of animals could not wash away sins. I ask again where in the Bible did God require human sacrifice? Where? You keep screaming God required human sacrifices but you fail to mention even an instance of such act found in the 66 books of the Bible.

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Religion / Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by torchwave: 1:35pm On Mar 04, 2015
Johnydon22 and Weah96, please point out in the Bible where God required a human sacrifice and it was carried out so that the sacrifice of human blood was offered to God.
Family / Re: My Newly Married Wife Is A Lesbian...#i Need Your Advices by torchwave: 11:24am On Mar 04, 2015
FrancisTony:

It's cool that you know that Jesus didn't judge or condemn anybody. My point is that homosexuals should be given freedom to do whatever they like - we are not anywhere better.

God gave mankind a freewill to do whatsoever he wish.
The same way I tolerate and don't care about boyfriends and girlfriends having sex before marriage, is the same way I don't care about anything gays and lesbians do in their closet.

I wage war against adultery like dygeasy opined because someone is hurt in the cause of it - Though I don't care if husband and wife take a consent from each other before engaging in it.
In other words, they should continue with their homosexual practices because Jesus did not condemn the sinner? Fornication and adultery should continue because Jesus did not preach condemnation?
Family / Re: My Newly Married Wife Is A Lesbian...#i Need Your Advices by torchwave: 8:31am On Mar 04, 2015
FrancisTony:

Then, give him the advice and don't quote me.
Was it not society that forced her into marriage?. Had it been she's in America or developed country that respect human rights, would she have married a man?
SMH
Then why subject an innocent man to a doomed marriage because your sexual orientation has no legal/societal approval? Would it be a crime 4 her to remain single if she's really passionate about it?

In answer to your previous question, Jesus never came to condemn the world but to save mankind from damnation (John 3: 17 I guess). He didn't judge anyone. That was why He kept quiet when one of the thieves on the cross questioned His power and it is the same reason He promised the other thief on the cross paradise. He never hurt a fly. He let a prostitute wipe His feet with perfume, He did not condemn a woman caught in adultery, He ate and drank with sinners. However, in 1 Corinthians 6:9, the Bible expressly condemns homosexualism. You can read it to verify. Beware, you might be a liberal Christian but God never changes and His Word remains the same - all sinners, unbelievers, adulterers, homosexuals, liars, drunkards, disobedient to parents, sexual perverts, whoremongers shall have their part in the Lake of Fire.
Family / Re: My Newly Married Wife Is A Lesbian...#i Need Your Advices by torchwave: 7:55pm On Mar 03, 2015
Dygeasy:
Francis, one quick question please;

On what side of the divide are you? One moment you're brimming hot defending the tenets and values of the christian faith and the next (like now) you're preaching live and let live on a matter as sensitive and insensible as Homosexualism.

It isn't in anyway a sensible or bearably thinkable sexual orientation. At least it ought not be as it defies all you stand for religion-wise just as your Virgin/Non-Virgin crusade. I don't want to assume you're confused on being Religious and being Realistic.

FrancisTony is a personification of confusion. For a so-called Christian to defend the practice of homosexualism and softly stroke it with words aimed at presenting it as something that affects one's character due to no fault of theirs speaks volumes about this Christian.
Religion / Re: ISIS Terrorist Miraculously Received Jesus And Rejected Islam by torchwave: 5:33pm On Mar 03, 2015
Muslims will spit acid on this post, casting doubts on it. It's bad news to them. I laugh cos this is good news compared to the Judgment Day, then the scales will fall from their eyes.
Religion / Re: How Do You Feel About Atheists by torchwave: 8:40am On Mar 03, 2015
Many atheists are no doubt cool to hang out with. They radiate geniality and warmness that surprisingly many Christians lack and which tends to attract people to them, if not to their belief. The truth, atheists are very lovable.

The only ground where I disagree with them is in the issue of the existence of God.

Other than that they are cool.

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Religion / Re: If There Is A God... by torchwave: 3:30pm On Mar 02, 2015
Op, there is a God. That's 4 sure. If you're bothered about children dying of starvation or suffering then what have yu done about it? Morever, you've got it all wrong about God.

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