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unmask:
but there are a lot of people that are not living right and not paying tithe complete and are living in stupendous wealth. So is tgere something else they are doing?

Maybe they are not Christians in the sense of being born again. If they truly are, they will soon hit the rock. God is just giving them space of time to repent. The Bible says, he that covers his sin will not prosper.

hisexcellency34:
Before nko? Wike and his wife, Suzette are the ones bribing Onnoghen with dollars he couldn't declare. Corrupt people

Then the one who took money to procure arms without senate approval is called what?

Barrytone:
I re-read that portion but in earnest then the men of god are not following Christ then if your assumptions hold. He never said everybody should sell their asset. He told a single person. I reiterate again and again, the only time He mentioned tithe, it was a rebuke on tithe collectors. And He is saying it today, why leave the weightier things and hang on tithes.

Luke 12:33-34.
33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Does this scrupture sound like he was addressing one individual?

On another occasion, he told a rich young ruler the same thing. So, it is Christ message on giving. That was why the early church practiced it on two recorded occasions. So it is Jesus message on giving. Since you don't want to tithe, you and Daddy Freeze should liquidate your assets and give to the poor.

Tejiriseth:
I was a theist for 23years of my Life and Was even appointed a Youth V.P1
I was all for Church as at that Time.
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At once certain time In Benin, I even Left school to follow church
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You did not quite answer my questions. Being committed to church does not mean one is living right.

pedel:
Anyone who defends a thief is a thief.
The thieves come to steal, kill and destroy. John 10:10.

Anyone who defends the CJN is a thief. Don't tell me innocent until proven guilty.

And anyone who stands with this terrorist party is a terrorist.

tintingz:
Lol, you're still deluded.

Why are you being dishonest?

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Until they repent, they will continue to experience earthquake, landslides, over flooding, tsunamis, tornadoes, hiv/aids etc.

God will not withdraw the blessing already released upon their generation but he will judge their unrighteousness.

Barrytone:
success to me is peace of mind. I have that in abundance. Every other thing you might think is success, I had acquired. I am born again with my intellects intact. I believe in only Christ and follow His teachings alone. Every person before Christ wasn't good enough hence His coming, how then do you go back to follow them that were not perfect to heal the world of adamic sin. The old Testament is for reference purpose and not a doctrine to be followed if not Christ coming and dying is invain. My Christ cannot die invain if yours died invain. The only time he made mention of tithe was when he rebuke their penchant for tithe over the basic things. I can't be paying 20% income tax, 5% VAT and many more tax and still come to pay 10% to self imposed levies just because of financial gains. I am over 40yrs and have never paid tithe. And no plans to pay tithe as I see it as sinful for a Christian that profess Christ to do after His death. So you can enjoy your Judaism am a proud Christian.
N/B: meaning of Christian simply means Christ followers and nothing more. Confused bunch!

If you are truly following Jesus, then do what he commands concerning giving. He says that you should sell your assets and give the proceeds to the poor. Have you ever done that? At least, the early church did it. Remember, this is like giving your 100% away. Which one is easier, the 10% or the 100%?

tintingz:
Lol delusion.

Majority of Chinese people, Arab muslims in UAE don't pay tithes and they are living well even some atheists are living well while most Christians who are average Nigerians paying tithes are living in poverty.

Oga, you're delusional.

They are enjoying generational blessing that came from the two obedient sons of Noah. The Muslims because of Ishmael. However God's wrath is upon most of these nations evident in the natural disaster they experience every now and then.

Mrmourinho:
Well I also pay my tithes, but don't say d non-payment of tithes is facilitator of the financial instability most Christians face today, God is not a human being, he is not as vicious as most Christians presume him to be, he will never cause u financial constraints because u don't pay ur tithe, ur tithe is just an avenue to additional blessings and also portrays ur strict adherence to d scriptures, my boss doesn't even go to church talkless of paying tithes, and for d past 20 years, he has never for once experienced a downturn in his business and finances.Think it Over!!!
Selah!!!

The principle does not concern your boss. He does not have to pay. He will prosper in his own way but at the expense of his soul. He will one day experience challenges that his money cannot even solve.

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Barrytone:
Have seen the supposed tithe payers having all the problems you mentioned above. Giving definitely comes with blessing so the act of tithing is a subgiving but misconstrued, I have never paid tithe, I earn close to 1m a month and spend less than 300k. Indulge in several school fees paying program for less privileged amidst other philanthropy. Am very godly and avoid negative things. How then will a man of god dare tell me am not going to heaven because am not giving him money. One even told me she prayed for my job and if I don't return my tithe I will loose the job. That was 2013, am still working. For information sake, after the philanthropy and school fees, I buy strong drinks for my friends and thank my God for the grace. Life was meant to be enjoyed but we missed it by Adamic sin and regained it with crucifixion of Christ. Why then are you bonding yourself to Judaism. Be a Christian or you practice outright Judaism and not mix it only when there is financial benefits.

Please, are you born again? If yes, great doom awaits you for gross error. If not, tithing does not concern you. It's for those in covenant with God. But you will still hit the rock one way or the other. No true success outside Christ.

southpole:
The kingdom of God is not about prosperity on earth. How I wish to hear you say tithe will take a person to heaven.

Yes, it's not about prosperity but prosperity is part of God's will for us. Tithing will not take you to heaven but non payment could make you miss heaven because you have put yourself in the class of a thief and a robber.

Smartphelz:
Please do well to return all the fees spent on your education. Education is meant to free people from mental slavery. Your case is pathetic...If you believe all the thrash you typed up there your case is indeed irredeemable

Education will only give you sense knowledge. But sense knowledge is limited to what it can see, feel, smell, touch and hear. There are so many things your senses do not know. That is why we need a higher knowledge. It is called Revelation knowledge. There are things that has to be revealed to us. Otherwise we will never know them. If not for the information in the Bible, we would never have known how the world was created. We would never have known who God really is. We would never have known if there was heaven or hell. Please, upgrade your knowledge and let the Holy Spirit teach you things you can never learn in the four walls of universities.

Ubongdemaga:
so sorry 4 u bro. Tithe was meant 4 levits and priest in the old testament. God warned that the levits and priest should not go to war , that pple should bring food to them. Where in the bible do u see a priest collecting money in the name of tithe?

The Levites collected tithe because they were commanded not to work but to serve in the sanctuary. In the same sense, there are people who serve in the house of God today who do not work. Without them, some of the services we enjoy will be impossible. Most of them are graduates who have been called of God to work in the house of God. So tithes are used to pay their salaries and take care of them. This includes Pastors who do not work. And their services are very crucial to God's plan for mankind who wants everyone to be saved. So, give them your support by paying your tithe.

Thewesterner:
Challenge him to a live televised debate on the subject

Please arrange the debate and notify me.

sykeng:
Because they don't pay tithe you call their means dubious, what a pathetic statement, I have never paid tithe but I have prospered in all areas in life. Health wise, financially, in my career et al, being HUMANE is my secrete not TITHE.

It will crash one day. The blessing you get outside Christ is not durable. Your house is not standing on a solid foundation. When the storms of life comes, one day it will crumble. There are so many stories in that line. So many millionaires whose story did not end well. Only God through Christ gives durable riches.

Atewo400:
so this is how wicked your God is
I can't serve a wicked God I dont want wickedness to be transferred to me

No, he is not wicked. He is not sending you to hell because of your wrong doings. Hell was prepared for the devil but the first Adam fell for his tricks and became doomed like him. So, on account of Adam's transgression, the entire human race was headed for hell. So, God had to send the last Adam, Jesus to rescue us. This is love in action. Someone had to take your place and suffer the punishment you were supposed to suffer. If you accept the finished work of Christ on Calvary, you will be saved and free from God's wrath.

The sin that sends you to hell is that of rejection Christ who is your only hope. So, it does not matter how wicked you are or how good you are humanly speaking, without Christ, you are hell bound. It's your decision that sends you to hell and not God. God has done his part to rescue you from hell but you have to accept it for it to be of benefit to you. So, quit the anger and accept Jesus now. He is knocking at the door of your heart. Won't you let him in? He will bring peace to your heart that money cannot buy. He will fill you with his love that surpasses human understanding. Your life will never be the same again.

harley88:
Gosh.... how can someone be so unwise. I swear you're foolishness is epic. WTF. are you aware you are painting God in a bad image. Pls pay your tithes but don't come listing all these idiotic things as effects of not paying tithe. God doesn't reason like man.

When something has become a principle, it works for everyone who puts it to work. Prophet Malachi warned the Jews about the consequences of not paying their tithes. God promised to rebuke the devourer if they pay. Those who do not pay tithe are the ones always having unusual financial challenges. I pastor a church and I can tell you that tithers are doing far better than non tithers. If you don't want to pay, keep your money. It's a matter of time, you will learn by experience.

Tejiriseth:
Yes this is what I Like.
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Experiments..
Yes I tried It.
Tried them all.
Tithe and seeds and Donations.
Guess what... Zero Difference.
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And I dumped them.. Well Since I did.. Guess what happened.?
Well Nothing happend.
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Nothing Note worthy or nothing with any spiritual undertone.!
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Where you living right when you tried it? Did you really do it rightly? Was the confession of your mouth consistent with God's word? Did you get involved in speaking evil against ministers and even the brethren? Please, be honest with your answers because all these affect your prosperity. Is just that most Ministries don't teach God's word in details. They only tell you what you want to hear to gather crowd and not what you should hear.

Tejiriseth:
Now your turn.
Take note.. A case study of unbelievers, States, people, countries.. Where God, Jesus, Holy spirit are not a big deal..
Observe and research There development rate and see if they need God or any Supreme Diety to back them up.
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I dey wait for your observation

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After the Noah's flood, the new world came from the descendants of Noah. The generation of two of them where blessed, Shem and Japhet. The generation of the third was cursed, Ham. The cursed descendants spread to Africa majorly and the other to other parts of the world. These countries that appears to be prospering without God are benefiting from generational blessing. But they are however suffering another form of punishment for drawing away from God. These are the countries that suffer what we call natural disaster the most. Examples are China, Japan and even America to mention but a few.

Africa today, though suffering from generational curse has an advantage in the fact that most part are now spiritually enlightened. The gospel is prevailing in Africa. And if you are in Christ, you will be free from the generational curse.

Even the Muslim nations are blessed because God blessed Ishmael who is the flesh seed of Abraham. My friend, life is spiritual. When you embrace Christ, you will understand the spiritual undertones to what is happening on earth today.

joeshed:
Did Jesus Christ collect tithe

He did not have to. He was not a Levitical Priest. Now he is a Priest after the order of Melchizedec. So he receives our tithes now.

LordPsalm:
PLEASE CAN YOU GIVE BIBLICAL REFERENCE AND STOP EMBARRASIMG URSELF UPANDAN.
How much tithe did Dangote, Jeff Benzos, Bill Gates n Mark Zuckerberg paid as tithe?
If it transcends the law, state the people that paid it and Bible refernce. Why not tell us die u will NEVER die cuz ur a faithful tither...
YEYE DEY SMELL����

Dangote and his likes do not need to pay tithe to prosper. They have no relationship with God. However, their prosperity is in exchange for their souls. You don't really know what they do behind the scene. But God gives durable prosperity and all round blessing.

Smartphelz:
Please do well to return all the fees spent on your education. Education is meant to free people from mental slavery. Your case is pathetic...If you believe all the thrash you typed up there your case is indeed irredeemable

I pray that God will deliver you from gross spiritual darkness.

Ubdavis:
Victim of religious brainwash.

I am a Victor winning every single hour of the day.

unmask:
what of the ones that pay tithe and are still unstable.....as well as those that pay and are very stable

Partial obedience is disobedience. They should check themselves very well. Are they paying the tithe correctly? It also matters the quality of offering they give. Above all, are the living right? All these are important to secure the blessings of tithing.

Ubdavis:
U are a victim of religious brainwash.

You have been blinded by the god of this world system.

sykeng:
Crap ........... please tell me how do non christians that have never experience tithing progress?

Non Christians do not need tithe to prosper. They have their own dubious means of prospering but it is in exchange for their souls.

ItsMeAboki:
You have apparently overlooked an important point in my post : when it comes to killings, no government had presided over mass killings of its citizens in peace time than during the GEJ administration.

The Fulani herdsmen vs farmers killings is nothing compared to the Boko Haram murders under GEJ's watch - when the terrorists held massive land territory and were murdering innocent families at will without military protection, because he had diverted the money needed for the war; the terrorist were even bold enough to bomb Abuja, the very seat of the government while the then president continue to dance Michael Jackson in Kano after declaring the said terrorists as his siblings.

So, then every government should continue with their incompetence? There should be some improvement. It is worse under Buhari.

TATIME:
This is exactly why these atheists are joyfully gaining more souls.
Life is when we are alife Sir and the only wages for sin is death.Romans 6:23
So the rest of his life he will live as an atheist,no matter what he feels like enjoying is simply a deceit from the world as the fruit of God's holy spirit will be MISSING in his life
*LOVE he can't buy this since white atheists will continue to view him as black so all his love will be restricted only to those he knew within his neighborhood.
*JOY he can't buy this since he isn't ready to emulate Jesus so his wife and children will also develop their own preferences which will certainly kill the joy he supposed to have.
*PEACE he can't have this since he will be striving towards achieving things that unbelievers are also eagerly pursuing so he will always make trouble while dealing with his greedy neighbours.
*PATIENCE he doesn't need this since he believes in "me first" so he won't bloody care to suffer for anything,just to gain it all but he'll pay dearly for it as he deals with people having the same mindset.
*KINDNESS he can think of been kind but disappointments will always come since he didn't believe in Jesus who taught us to be selfless,so when those he showed kindness proves to be ingrates he will loose throw such virtue into the trash.
*GOODNESS he won't continue to be good when 99.9% proves to be bad so he will later be subdued into ignoring goodness.
*FAITH of course he will detest this since he is not ready to keep expecting what himself and majority around him aren't SEEING so he'll be driven up and down ONLY by what he can SEE. Hebrew 11:1
*MILDNESS he can't be mild because it is the attitude of those around him that is determining his next line of action,so if those around him are desperate he will become desperate as well but not without COST.
*SELF CONTROL this is impossible because he feels he is in control of his own mind but evidence shows that it's the wind of change that is driving him to and fro.
So when God is issuing the visa for everlasting life in Paradise to those who merit it{Psalm 37:7-11,29,Proverbs 2:20-22,Isaiah 35:5 6,65:21-25} frosbel and other atheists would have MANAGED to inflict pains on themselves and others for a period of 70~80 years{1Timothy 6:9,10}and finally they will return to dust. Genesis 3:17-19

Their bodies will return to dust but their souls will burn in hell.

It seems we have all accepted the President as the real Buhari. Nobody is really talking about the Jibril thing again. Is it charm because I can point obvious differences between the man at the helms of affairs and the Buhari I know. It seems we have all been hypnotized.

ItsMeAboki:
Terrorist government is the one that was openly friendly with Boko Haram associates; whose own security adviser indicted the its party of being synonymous with Boko Haram (and was probably killed for that exposure); a government that selfishly diverted billions of dollars of the defence budget meant to fight Boko Haram towards its re-election at the expense of its own ppl and army - no government had presided over so much killings, except during the civil war, than the last government; however, etno-religious had blinded from that reality.
May God help you along with those lost to such gullibility.

Yes, the past government did not do well in the fight against Boko Haram but this government is worse and in fact appears to be the sponsor. They release prisoners of Boko Haram and empower them to continue their attack. They send soldiers to fight and refuse to equip them for the fight. When the herdsmen kill, they call it a clash with farmers. No security personnel is immediately dispatched. No arrest made. But kill one fulani man, armies are immediately released and arrest made. Rustle one cow, armies are immediately released and arrest made. You want to continue to have a government that values the lives of cows more than that of humans. Unless you are a blood thirsty terrorists, this government does not deserve a second term.

An average human is selfish. It's a big shame to pride yourself in what you have benefited when others are killed like cows. We should be concerned about others also. Otherwise, you could be the next victim.

olaolulazio:
I will vote him insha Allah cuz the last 4 years has been better than that of OBJ and GEJ.

It can only get better.

Terrorists spotted.