₦airaland Forum

Eddygourdo:
am not bro. Can you truly say that the protests for all intents was peaceful? A protest made at the backdrop of zoo chants, derogatory remarks and threats of violence if the goal isn't achieved? Maybe you should read up on crowd control procedures by the armed forces then you will understand why some people had to die.

If u ve condemned the killings of unarmed protesters, i wld ve agree with u to an extent instead u're busy giving much emphase on properties not minding human lives that were shoot dead by the police. Blacks and there babaric ways of reasoning. No wonder we don't progress. Have u asked urself what prompted the destructions of properties? B

shachris02:
the people asking those questions are not your enemies But sensible igbos. is south sudan better than Sudan? is Eritrea better than Ethiopia? What's your assurance that biafra would be better than Nigeria?

So your myopic assumption is that if south sudan didn't survive, biafra won't survive? So if kunle couldn't get jamb cut off mark nobody can?

Eddygourdo:
because in this day an age, violent protests are not a solution to anything, protests can bring a change to an event, but never will it create a new country. Referendums and peaceful discussions at international level creates a country. My Piece

You're just being hypocritical and insensitive. Have they killed any person? Have the not being on peaceful protest for more than one month while FG shoots at them?

Aufbauh:
Everyone will always love or hate something for a particular reason whether fictitious or real.
We should not also forget the fact that our happiness or otherwise is not dependable on anyone but ourselves. We can generate love or hate for something depending on our strategic positioning.
The Op maybe right in some cases but the factors he mentioned may not just be a sudden occurrences or conscious design to relegate others but a strategic positioning of the people.
The southeasterners cry of marginalisation in critical sectors of the government today is probably as a result of the foundation they have laid after the post civil war. Most of them were not interested in the civil service as they prefers private business and daily earnings.
I could remember when after my primary school in the eighties, most of our best student in the class who are Ibos decline to further and prefer to serve a master of trade.
They probably felt making money through the huddles of schooling is a long process even though they were brilliant in the classroom.
The mentality that the civil service is a slow process of progress as against the quick return from business has been ingrained in them, that is why a typical Ibo man will brag in the street that he don't the government to survive not knowing that the government decide policies and programs that determine the environment for his business.
In my region, the middle belt there's a consciousness and willingness to serve the government especially in the military or paramilitary and that is why in every 10 military or paramilitary men you see, you can count up to 6 or more as a middle beltan.
Those who choose to build a career with patience will always rise through the ranks.
The typical hausa-fulani man is political conscious and that is why they are always eager to know who governs them by participating more in the electioneering processes.
The yoruba is investment conscious, always thinking of what legacies he will bequeath his offspring and not competing against kinsmen and that is why they are patient in their dealings.
The Ibo man thinks of his immediate wealth and worth to showcase before peers and kins and that is why they are more concerned about daily turnover that will boost and build their immediate financial standing.

it is unfortunate that our youths don't like reading. I have been hammering here that u ppl shld know ur history b4 writing online. How can you say the ibos prefer venturing into bussiness than public service? Which people dominated the millitary, public service, private service, educational sector b4 the civil war? After the civil war, Nigeria goverment made sure that ibo didn't gain relevance in these sectors and also by giving them 20 pounds to cripple them. The comtemporary ibo youths, due to unemployment don't need to wait for goverment for jobs, rather the create jobs with their ingenuity. Notwithstanding, we have ibo ppl making serious impacts in all sphere of live, be it sports, entertainment, education, public and private sectors.

antibiafra:
please try and preach peace, on the contrary am a historian and we'll schooled. I love gentle guys who think we'll before they talk.

Please try and b positive

You nt a historian, if not you shld ve known that Nigeria can never be united after the statement made by her founding father starting from ahamadu bello to Awolowo. Even our president made some divisive statement in a foreign country. Have u ever asked why Nigeria has never progress depsite their huge natural resources and human potentials? I know you will be quick to tell me is all about corruption. Of course is part of it becos when there no National Consciousness corruption becomes a normal trend. Have u asked urself y Bokoharam are fighting? Is their sharia ideology secretely shared by most northerns? How can we be united when a certain tribe can kill a fellow Nigerian cos of his religion? How can we be united when the fulani herdsmen are going on rampage killing ppl while FG pays lips service on their menance? Do u knw hw much that have been spent to curb bokoharam starting from Jonathan regime to present? Do u knw the kind of distraction and retrogression it has caused to the development of this country? Do u think Bokoharam ideology can be defeated with weapon? Even if we succeded in wiping them, ve we killed their ideology cos it is enshrined in their religion? The above reasons r y i feel hopless regarding Nigeria unity. Even in nairaland u will feel the hatred among tribes.

antibiafra:
Am only telling you he bitter truth. Please try and understand. We all need to forge for a UNITED NIGERIA.

Like if you belive in one Nigeria.

I don't disscuss with pple who don't know the Nigerian history. Go and schooled urself on history, then you can debate logically

antibiafra:
Abeg my brothers make we try use our heads abeg...when the elephants fight na the trees dey suffer oh...war is the biggest business now oh...make we no allow them use us make money oh...
And lest I forget, if Biafra comes, pls who will rule? And where will be the capital?...na another fight be that oh.
And oh...I stand to be corrected oh but pls with facts oh...

How much did the information minister pay you? Stop wasting your energy on online go and convince the sea of biafra agitators.

prettyboi1:
Firstly, the incarceration of Nnamdi Kanu will serve as deterrent to other people like him and the people following them. DSS is an institution whose work it is to foil internal attacks against the state of Nigeria and provide intelligence to the other arms of security to guard the interest of the nation & that's why they have Nnamdi Kanu. So far, Nnamdi Kanu has behaved like a criminal and a terrorist and that's why the DSS has him in their custody. Nobody nominated him as their leader,so he doesn't speak for anybody but himself and his so-called followers and so he is considered an enemy of the state. You don't go around asking people for 'guns and bullets' to fight a nation and then turn back around to cry foul when the people whose duty it is to protect the nation against such threats pick you up.
There are better ways to talk about things,and if Nnamdi Kanu was really interested in talking, he would have gone about it in the right way, but No! He has been going about spreading hate messages online, on radio and propaganda messages asking for arms. Then again,like I mentioned earlier,he doesn't represent anybody but himself and his followers because nobody nominated him to talk on behalf of all Igbo people. No serious government would tolerate that, because it is the duty of government to protect the nation and the same people Nnamdi wants to lead to their death. It is the duty of the government to protect all Nigerians including brothers in the southeast. This is how boko haram started,but the last government sat idle until rag-tag rebels occupied Nigerian territory and for years now have been killing innocent Nigerians. So far,Nnamdi Kanu is no different from Shekau except that he has not gotten as 'big' as Shekau. These things start small and then innocent people (including the people who ignorantly support them) get killed and that's what we must avoid. What I would recommend though,is that Nnamdi Kanu be treated by rule of law and a law be made to officially disband such treacherous groups and punish them by law if found wanting.
God Bless Nigeria.

U're jst very funny. People deyooo

Demigods:
They are still touts and illiterates, if they where educated they would have known that there are peaceful way of going about protesting for Biafra, not vandalizing properties. I support Biafra but I just feel they not mentally ready for it.

How will you react if FG millitary men shot dead your sister? I feel so bad when we don't value human lives. Look at how you're giving much emphase on properties, forgeting that ppl were first shoot dead b4 properties were began to destroy.

Sunymoore:
Hava bro, don't resort to personal attacks. What Boko Haram is doing is un-Islamic and the Qur'an does not encourage such. We all have our problems, ranging to pushing drugs, baby factories, dishonesty, Boko Haram, rituals and many more.

Thanks, i appreciate ur modesty. One luv.

Sunymoore:
You're the one reasoning with fallacy rather, No Northerner blocks or prevents you from protesting, so you should direct your anger to NPF/NA not innocent people's properties, the NA/NPF are to be held responsible. I'm not saying that human lives lost were not better than properties, but I'm concerned about possible repercusions to the action. The action exibited by the protesters is no different from Boko.

Have we bombed ourselves, brothers nd nigerian like ur bokoharam brothers? Our religion don't permit that like urs. We can never kidnapped our school children and kids and used them as bomb plant to bomb people. We are not ur babaric types.

Sunymoore:
I think you're the one that needs to STFU. I'm a Northerner too, show me where I'm against their protest or STFU forever. I clearly stated that it's unfortunate that lives were lost. I don't really care if you stay or leave the contrty, but the attack on properties of other Nigerians ain't gonna be funny.

You people don't reason logically. What triggered the attack of properties? Where the not peaceful before? These r questions you need to ask urself b4 u start writing online. Imagine hw u're giving much emphase on properties than lives of unarmed protesters that where slaughtered by the police. Well, not suprise you said u're a Northerner. Human lives means nothing to u guys anyway.

shachris02:
you are a miscreant when you start destroying properties of law abiding citizens and stand causing nuisance to innocent bystanders. We all have our right of association. Don't force every igboman into your IPOB trash.

You have so belittled yourself with anti biafra posts that no body takes you serious again

naijapips02:
that's the big mistake they keep making. They think once biafra comes, all would be milk and honey.

I had an eye opening discussion with an old man in my street in Aba, what the man said shocked me.

The man said, once biafra comes, all the unemployed youths in Igboland would be employed. I asked him How Sir? The he said that new local government and government offices would be opened in almost all families in igboland. And i was like, is this the trash they've being using to deceive our youths? How would you sustain such scheme? with which money? From Where? or do you think that even if SS agrees to follow us to biafra, they would allow us to be sharing their oil money like some pocket money?

Too bad

National consciousness, that is what the will have and succeed if Biafra comes through. Nigeria is not improving because of lack of NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS.

eposho:
Who told u Nigeria can't exit peaceful ly? By the way where is your 5 million man march for abuja?

Keep on deluding urself when fulani herdsmen r ravagin ur farms and kidnapping ur elites.

Daminaj1:
I am done here! I said the government needs to address the situation.
See where i said elders in the east needs to sit down and the government needs to address their concern
did i say they should be clamped down
Are the youths so bitter now ...? i give up...

I once read that people read to reply not to understand. that never made sense till now. !. Done

Unfortunately u dont have a wise and listening goverment. The shouldn't ve arrested nnamdi kanu. That gave rise to the uprise and too much publicity. However, i appreciate ur passion for peacefully co-existent bt unfortunately Nigeria can never exist peacefully. Good day.

Daminaj1:
What you call fear of Biafrians agitation to Boko Haram menance. is my fear of senselesss destruction.
Everything can be traced back to corruption! People are tried, confused and too uneducated to see this for what it is.
I hope you do not come back years from now to view this thread and see what you call Agitation has degenerated into something else.

You consider Boko Haram more threat for now. Remember they were these people crying in the north before it got so bad.
I have been to the north and the poor state of education will shock you.
people who cannot think for themselves will let others tell them what to do.

the people causing Havoc are a few who want power by all means.!!!
We ignore this now as a nation at our own peril

And what is ur goverment doing abt the biafra agitation? Is it by forcefully clamping down on them, miaming unarmed protesters, issuing warning threat and not having dialogue with them? Is it the way to address the issue? Look my dear, it happened in Britain when the scottish ppl were agitating to secede, Britain didnt clamp down on them bt dialogued with them. And the result was a more united Britain after the referendum. When you use force on them, u're radicalizing them and the may likely pick up arms to defend themselves! U don't fight an ideology with weapons because it never dies.

darmys:
No! it did not just start recently that is why i place emphasis on this Massob thing being handled right away.
These people needs to be talked to and their worries addressed.
The leaders who hold an influence over the east must not sleep.

It may start as a war against na oppressive Nigeria as we have seen in the north, things can degenerate quickly.

I still put it to you that the Average Nigerian man on the street deep down just wants basic things in life and an oppourtunity to excel and fend for himself.

Joblessness, lack of education and many more has given movement like this a strong pillar to rise o.

The people with extremist opinions are usually very few.

You seem to attach much fear on Biafrans agitation than Bokoharam menance. Do u knw what it means for someone to lay down his life for what he believe? You tink education, job, money will curb that? Jst take a look at ISIS, this ppl have money, som of them highly educated bt they r causing menance because of their belif jst like Bokoharam. No amount of money, education will stop the boko boys. What the want is Sharia law! As educated as Ahmadu bello is, have u listened to the statement made by this man? I consider bokoharam much of a threat to the unity of this country than the biafrans. Lets pray that bomb will not start flying in other geopolitical zones, then u will see how reinforced biafra agitation will be, with so many tribes buying the idea.

masonkz:
May I ask what states actually make up BIAFRA?

Seeking seccession isn't the issue, the issue is whether everyone within the zone actually share same idea. Convince the locals first before convincing the outside world. Else there might as well be another disagreement brewing, even if the Biafra thingy is granted.

Common sense will tell u that a refrendum will take care of that.

darmys:
I hate discussing sensitive things too but my post was out of passion for peaceful co existence.
You cannot school me. what you know is relative. Objective knowledge is almost never achieve.

Your opinions are formed based on your environment and life influences.

Which is the problem here in the first place! Many people do not understand that their rights, cultures, tribes and needs is not above that of others!

Well, u're entitled to ur own opnion bt remember the question i asked u: y r bokoharam ppl fighting? Do u tink that their ideology jst started recently?

Franzeez:
You are absolutely free to believe in the Nigerian project. As a civilised man I respect your view, I also urge you to respect the view of those who don't believe in the Nigerian project....

Response of an educated person, if nairalanders can cultivate this habit...

darmys:
No, You read the history about how the term Nigeria came to be and who divided us!!!!
Our leaders may not have believed in one Nigeria as you Inferred from certain statements.
I will like to see the statements you draw your conclusion from by the way.

But what they had was respect for each other and ability to co exist peacefully.

Granted the Biafrian war had a tribal tone but i still put it to you that when it comes to tribalism in Nigeria
It is a by product of greed and segregation caused by Politics and corruption.

Give a Nigerian man irrespective of tribe his basic amenities and see if he would have time to bother his "fellow Nigerians"

The politicians are fighting "tribalistic" and unfortunately, they have been able to brainwash a lot of people who do not have a solid educational background because money meant for schools are sitting in a Swiss account anyway.

I hate discussin sensitive issues online otherwise i would have schooled u on som certain things u don't knw and it will suprise u. When ppl like u say that our problem is mainly poverty, corruption, l laugh. Y r bokoharam fighting? Is it becos of povery, corruption? Do u knw that most northernerns believe in their ideology even ur so called heros of northern faction? B4 i was optimistic of this country untill i schooled myself thoroughly on the history of Nigeria. Our problem is fundamental.Nothing that is happen now that is new. Spend som tym on our history, u'll understand better.

Daminaj1:
Is this the Nigeria our heros past fought for? Is their labours going to be in vain?

FYI, ur so called heros never believe in one Nigeria, starting from Ahmadu Belo to Awolowo. Read the comments made by them. The problems is that most of you youths don't know there history.

obailala:
The amenities you listed are not free in any part of the world. But then, even with all your money in your wallet, you wouldn't have been able to get them still if they didnt exist in your environment; if you had N1m in your pocket, you wouldnt be able to still purchase mobile internet if it didnt exist in Nigeria (as was the case just some years ago).

May I also remind you that it was through those numerous foreign junkets which OBJ embarked upon those days, that's how Nigeria was able to secure a debt relief of well over $20billion from the Paris club. It is sometimes surprising to see supposedly educated people asking what the essence of these foreign trips or diplomatic relations are.

My friend park well! That was purely the handiwork of the then finance minister that got the debt cancelled.

Standing5:
I remember vivid ly that on the morning of March 28, 2015 when GEJ Was still in power dollar exchange for 210 Naira and above every where. So stop blaming the Buhari govt indirectly. Jonathan it was, who watched and suppervised the free fall of the Naira. Infactt the verdict from financial experts as of March 2015 is that of the Naira being at minimum of N260 to a Dollar by now. So stop being angry at APC kicking out incompetent PDP.

Jst as GEJ hoplessly watched as naira depreciates during the last days of his regime, so is Buhari cluelessly watching as naira deteriorates at the early days of his regime. You financial experts don't knw that naira can only appreciate if and only if oil price rises which i don't see in near distant time. Buhari will watch hoplessly as naira further dips down cos unfortunately Nigeria economy is completely dependent on oil and its price.

Ephemmm:
While I am not here to defend APC, but remember that PDP refused to pay outstanding debt to marketers despite the removal of subsidy, depletion of reserves and rising internal/external debt.

Take it or leave it, PDP as a party that ruled for 16 years will still be attributed to any problem being faced by APC today.

And if APC has ruled for 16 yrs before PDP will Nigeria fare better? Is it not the same wolves that were in PDP that r now in APC and more defecting? When there is a steady power supply, it becomes the work of APC otherwise it is PDP. When there is fuel scarcity is no longer the cause of APC bt past administration and so on. Myopic Nigerian youths.

MsGlobalwonder:
you did before? And have you fully recovered from the effects of the war? Are you sure of victory? Why not other peaceful routes? I can bet my all that you were not born during the war, you couldn't have been around during the war and be canvassing for war as a means of getting whatever you are agitating for when there is a peaceful alternative means. Look before you leap oo. Eni ti won ba fi oriire fo agbon o ni je nibe. #JustSaying

My dear lady, i understand your fear. Talking abt peaceful means of getting biafra, i see that as a pipe dream. Oil has so blinded Nigeria that any tribe with this curse resources can not be allowed to seceede peacefully. The other day i listened to one Northern elite from Jigawa; i was shocked by the statement made by him. Besides natural resources, the Igbo tribe offers a kind of unity, safety and religious balance to the heteregenous structure of Nigeria, consquently any threat of secession from this tribe will be vehemently resisited by other tribes in Nigeria especially by our Yoruba brothers. Infact the unity of this country not only lies on our natural resources but also by the Igbo tribe. Finally am afraid the only way Igbo and SS tribe can seceede from Nigeria is through war. I advice you to be strong, don't fear. What will be will be.

kannymoore:
Boko Haram started out as a group with a peaceful philosophy of Self-determination too... They actually catered to the wants of the needy and the helpless back in the begining. or are you blind to that fact too?

As their popularity grew amongst the common folk, so did their ideology begin to slowly tilt towards getting their need for self determination through violence.
..and when their founder was killed, shit hit the fan and the result is what we have today.


Anyways sha... each to their own opinions, iguess.

Am force to comment because of the trash you have being spewing. Stop equating bokoharam with biafra. Your father wasn't born b4 biafra exists!

Eddygourdo:
since you attend their meetings, please answer the questions I asked

I don't have time for unbelievers. If you want to know more besides the ones i marshalled out, go to their meeting. The worst is to crticize them when you know nothing

hmuhammad:
A friend of mine working with a seismic company was in Borno 3yrs back, he confirmed it to me. They only left due to insecurity, oil de here my broda.

Aquiring a seismic data is still far from striking a commercial oil. U can locate a trap from your seismic data bt how potential is that trap? The only way is to drill a pilot well. Most siesmic data in Chad basin has always produce an unproductive trap- after drilling, what is in commercial quantity is water. Kachikwu shld start talking when they encounter productive trap

Dgunnerz:
In case they need assistance.. My guy, Özil will provide!

That guy is a seismic guru

Eddygourdo:
He brought curses upon himself not me. I don't need to know him to know am better off than him cos God made it so. Nobody is against ur dreams for a biafra, but what confidence level do you have on the successes above, have igbos not killed igbos? In the past twenty years have all igbo people been killed my Muslims and terrorists, have u forgotten the umuleri aguleri crisis, the izza crisis etc you feelings are yours and if achievable am sure you will be happy but wise people never count their chickens before the eggs are hatched. The current agitation is similar to passengers on a boat who comprise of ship builders, they just want to sail and any mention by people to check the state of their boat is met by statements like we are ship builders if this boat fails we will build another. They have forgotten that once they set sail there is no coming back, no much room for error and their survival rate reduces drastically once challenges start to come. No matter how talented they are without patience and proper planning all is naught. There is no concrete plan in the Biafran agenda, If the was am sure instead of throwing insults around and showing crassness the Biafrans will argue with facts and detailed plans and strategy that will be sufficient to win over unbelievers like me. Cheers

if u don't believe them, leave them. You sit there and you talk bt you have not gone to their meeting. All you do is to criticize.