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TroGunn: The translations are quite clear, aren't they? Key points -

1) No man has ever seen God Almighty

2) the only begotten Son (or only begotten God according to some) is at his Father's side or heart and explains God Almighty to us.

Point 1) shows Christ is not God Almighty - since Christ was seen.

Point 2) shows us Christ is begotten (produced or created) and he is loyal and obedient to his Father, being at his side and explains his Father to us.

These points tally completely with the rest of the scriptures - no contradictions or confusion, because God is not one of confusion.

they are just being deceitful.

The reason for that scripture is that no man has ever seen God and as such Christ is not God.

But like you can see, they started dancing azonto to cause distraction from the fact that no man has seen God.

That is how dubious trinitarian are.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Ijawkid, why are you doing this?

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Rev 22:12-16

Why would God the Father start by calling Himself Alpha and Omega then end by calling Himself Jesus?

I have seen how you tried to draw a distinction between God and His arm and how you tried to make Jesus into an angel/messenger but then the question that lies before you is Why would a messenger dare to claim a title that only belongs to God?

I think at this point it is the nature of God has been made clear to you. The only thing I see stopping you from accepting it is because you maintain that "God cannot take the form of a man". Please ask yourself and answer honestly: Did you really get that notion from the bible or did someone else teach it to you? Think of all the bible verses that have to be "spurious" for that claim to be true.

You see, unlike most people I didn't learn about God by indoctrination under some pastor somewhere. I opened the bible and read it and accepted it's message. I saw three persons that all had the same attributes of God and I simply accepted it that way. I didn't try to start trying to cancel one scripture with another so that they don't "contradict". I just accepted it as the nature of God.

I will not drag this on anymore. The message has been laid out you can either choose to accept it or you can reject it. The choice is yours. I have nothing more to give. Trust me, this thread has taught me more about God than I knew yesterday.

I'll say thank you Boomark for linking me here. God has used you indirectly to teach me something. I just pray that you too will not miss out on the same teaching.

Peace.[/quote]Revelation is written in a way that after talking about Jesus it will then talk about Yahweh.

In that chapter 1, after talking about Jesus the next as usual was Yahweh.

The title alpha and Omega = Yahweh

the title Almighty = Yahweh.

If you respect the bible you will respect its consistency.

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).

^^^^

it is obvious that the title almighty is Yahweh's.

All you are twisting is to destroy the consistency of scripture like you always done.

Just no regard for holy things in your part.

ijawkid: Jesus sent his angels while GOD sent Jesus...so who's greater..??.Jesus gives an angel reveleations to give to John while GOD gave Jesus the revelations...............its surprising for you to think that Jesus being reffered to as the first and last would mean he is the same or equal to GOD whilst you quoted a verse from revelation that called Jesus the son of GOD.....its funny I have to tell you.....



And for you to finally say Jesus is Yahweh and so also the holy spirit I think I have to call it a day with you......this is the silliest thing I've ever heard in my whole life.......show me from the scriptures were the messiahs name is Yahweh...(The tetragrammaton).....
Telling us Jesus is Yahweh would mean you re-writing a new bible.........
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Oh I forgot....Jesus was also called a morning star...right??.....I guess he should be satan(lucifer) if I'm not mistaken,since you can't get the sense of the truth when Jesus is said to be the first and the last.....

it is like Anony is on Jamaican vegetable on this thread. Lol.

"Yahweh = holy spirit" lol.

Anony you are finish.

The holy spirit is no where in the scriptures called a person directly but you can say it is a person.
Phewwww

[quote author=Mr_Anony]my dear friend, attacking a strawman will not help you.

It is interesting you would bring up the name "Yahweh" because what Yahweh simply means is "I AM". So my dear it doesn't change anything. The Son is Yahweh, The Father is Yahweh and the Holy Spirit is Yahweh. Yahweh is the same one and only being and He exists as multiple persons.

Also, it was very amusing to see you try to cook up an explanation for Jesus Christ calling Himself First and Last in Rev. 2:8,

Could you also apply it to Rev 1:11, Rev 22:12-13,

Another interesting thing that perhaps you didn't notice is that When Christ addresses the Churches, He first starts by addressing Himself as the Alpha and the Omega, the Son of God then He ends by saying "Let He that has ears listen to what the Spirit is saying" (Rev 2:7,11,17,29) Who has talking here? The Son or the Father or the Holy Spirit? Or One Multi-personal God?



I'll throw in something else here that made me jump for joy when I read it. Here it is.


“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Revelations 22:16


Did you notice anything there? JESUS SENT HIS ANGEL! Now who else sends His angels on errands in the bible? Yes you guessed it: God the Father![/quote]see who has angels here.

"And there was war in heaven:

"Michael and his angels"

fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." (Revelation 12:7-.

You need to drop this trinity, it is confusing you.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Here you go.


"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." Isa 44:6

Now compare with:


"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev 1:8

Also compare with:

"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Rev 22:12-13

And finally compare with:

See, the Sovereign LORD comes with power, and his arm rules for him. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him. Isaiah 40:10


Now please tell me if Jesus Christ is not the same Alpha and Omega, Almighty God that will come again and reward both the just and unjust[/quote]Jesus is not the alpha and Omega, that is Yahweh.

Now, let me show you what the jews belied about Jesus and who they were expecting.

Also, who Jesus accepted he is publicly:

Finally two came forward 61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God
and rebuild it in three days.’” 62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this
testimony that these men are bringing against
you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under
oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the
Messiah, the Son of God.” 64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man
sitting at the right hand of God and coming in the clouds of heaven.”[a] (matthew 26:60-63)





"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. " (John 4:22).




Salvation originate with the Jews, stop twisting scriptures and take what they believe else you are on your own.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]What part of God is a multi-personal being do you not understand?[/quote]you definitely do have a lot of unscriptural terminology.

What the heck are you talking about here?

Did christ lied when he said the below:

""God is a Spirit"
and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:24).

Na wao for this philosopher o!


"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:.

I pity for your life when Yahweh takes action.

hisblud: this is why it is called sacred secret-musterion-trying to use human understand wont help, just rest in the Holy Spirit and He will guide you into ALL -not some-truth.

it is Definite going to guide you to death if you dont leave this lie called trinity.

doubleDx: If God manifested in human form and died. Who was ruling the world when he was in hades/grave for three days? Was he ruling the world from the grave or was it satan or the angels in heaven that were in charge when he died? God leaving his throne in heaven to come to earth in human form and die doesnt make any sense!

ask them o!

Maybe it was satan that resurrected Jesus christ then since God died.

You can see the lie that trinity is.

hisblud: @Mr anony, broza, reading the first line, i stood up, went and washed my face and brushed came back to continue and when i read down the quoted, i started dancing azonto on my bed choi this is the deal breaker. you have answered ijawkid at the same time, who is requesting to know does God die... there is his answer facing him. think i would be switching from now on to the "unspurious" translation that it speaks to them of the Godhood of Christ.Could this be the mystery(musterion) referred by Paul in 1 tim 3:16? I think so; can they accept it....na, its a sacred secret...

Do you think the word "trinity" is confusing them, first becos its not in the scripture and secondly becos even pagan dieties are refered as "trinity" as well, father, mother and son contrasted with the blessed Father, Son and Holy Spirit?[/b]

[b]I propose that instead of "trinity" lets use the "Godhead", i feel that will be clearer to em peeps. those in support say yea....yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, the yeas have it

i never knew that some people were ignorant of scriptures this much.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I have watched you even admit to multiple gods and say that even though Christ is named "Mighty God", there is another God called "Almighty God".[/quote]in fact it is you that dont respect scriptures.

See below:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,

"The mighty God",

The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).

And:

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of

"God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH"

was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).

^^^

so, you see?

Stop fighting the bible truth with philosophy of men.

Trinity was adopted in the 3rd ce.

Respect the word of God the bible.

Respect God.

Stop twisting the bible.
Peace.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, so Jesus is also the First and Last yet He is not God?[/quote]"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might be the first in all things." (Colossians 1:18).

Still get the sense of it.

He is the first from the dead that went to heaven of those going to heaven.

He went first and then take others to his father. QED

not that he existed first.

ijawkid: From revelation 2:8 that says Jesus died,can GOD die??......

Taking you serious is a waste of time........

You have neglected all the attributes of GOD just because of the trinity dogma...

You conclude:.
1...God can die and GOD died.
2...God was seen ,when in reality no one has seen GOD.....
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It was nice discussing with you........I don't worship a God who has died before or that was killed.........

That is not the GOD Jesus himself worshipped.........that is not the GOD the isrealites worship.....

lol.

My bros.

Anony is a philosopher and philosopher use their brain to "decide good and bad" just as satan told Adam to do.

That is why he is using his brain to twist the scriptures to suite his theology.

You on the other hand is allowing the scriptures to stand without twisting it.

"the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" and not "philosophy"

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:.

@Anony,

you forgot that Jesus christ did not know the day nor the hour that the world will end.

And even when he went back to heaven hear him speak:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" (Revelation 1:1).
..........
You see your life?

You see your "almighty God"?
Abeg, christ is not almighty Yahweh. QED.

If you like,
Keep deceiving yourself.
Peace

[quote author=Mr_Anony]“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life" Rev 2:8[/quote]"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,

"the firstborn from the dead"

that in all things he might the first in all things ." (Colossians 1:18).
..............

Get the sense in which christ is the first there ^^^


[quote author=Mr_Anony]Compare with

"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last." Isaiah 48:12[/quote]this was a reference to Yahweh.

By this time the man Jesus has not been manifested on earth and was unknown to the Jews.

Stop missing up scriptures.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Nowhere in the bible does it say that God cannot take the form of a man nor is there anything in the bible that tells us that a spirit cannot take the form of a man.[/quote]"God is
"not a man",
that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" (Numbers 23:19).
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God is not a literal man/physical man. QED.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]So my friend I wonder how you jumped to the conclusion that God being a Spirit automatically means that He cannot take the form of a man.[/quote]It is not Yahweh that came as a man, but his first born son.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You need to provide scripture for this this because the bible shows us numerous times where spirits take on a form of flesh.[/quote]Yes, his son and other spirit angel but not Yahweh himself.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Why are you insisting that God is limited in that ability?[/quote]Because it was not Yahweh that came as a man.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Well said, now all I need you to do is provide for us a translation that to you is "non-contradictory" and we can limit ourselves to it. Over to you.[/quote]that is why we throw away ideas that are not found in the oldest available manuscript

[quote author=Mr_Anony]If Christ as you claim has a beginning, then how come He refers to Himself in Revelations as the First and the Last.[/quote]this ^^^ limitation is yours and not mine.

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).
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[quote author=Mr_Anony]Are there now two different Alpha and Omega in heaven? or is it one God having multiple personhood?[/quote]Jesus is not the alpha and Omega, but the father is.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Sometimes I wonder how folks like you, Ijawkid, Barrister et al can read verses like these and still claim that Jesus is not God. It makes me wonder if it is not the same bible we are all reading.[/quote]that is because you make too many mistake by calling Jesus the alpha and Omega.


[quote author=Mr_Anony][size=8pt]Mind you, the Son is not the same person as God the Father They are two different persons but both of them together with the Holy Spirit are one being.[/quote]this ^^^ one is tutulogy.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I wish you had seen the video I posted.
It tries to explain what it means to be multi-personal and it uses a very interesting analogy.[/quote]the video are human imaginations and not God's word.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Ihedinobi also has given a good illustration of God's nature on this forum[/quote]i can see who is your authority.
But he is not an authority to us.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]by comparing Him to man's trinity of body, soul and spirit. All are the same man but yet the spirit is distinct from the soul and the soul is distinct from the body.[/quote]that ^^^ is also based on a false notion and not also based on the bible.

Right now you are grasping at straw.

Leave trinity alone.[/quote]

hisblud: So THEOS now is a title?

the word God is a title.

Even satan also bears it.

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4).

QED.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Anyway sha just read my response to honeychild first. It deals with most of the issues you have raised. I will still provide more from the bible's teaching.[/quote]what kind of a respond was that?

Is that how to reason?

If you want to help someone to know what the bible teach was that the right approach?

By the way, are you a muslim? It is muslim that copy extra long pages and post so as to ware out his opponent.
Its like you have learnt that skill from them(trickery).

Yes, now you will be making a reference to an irrelevant long post that makes no sense.

Why not bring out the sense you made there by bits and see if it can stand on its own.

Why did you need that extra long post at the first place?

Just dont keep making reference to that extra long post cause it is useless to this discussion.
Peace

[quote author=Mr_Anony]So there are now two Gods in the bible abi? one is Almighty while the other is mighty? So when in the next chapter, Isaiah says that the remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God (Isaiah 10:21) which God is he referring to? You also forgot that the child will be called Everlasting Father abi? Look at the extents you have to go defend your dogma.

Can God die? No God cannot die in the sense of God ceasing to exist.
The question I think you should ask is: Can God become man? Yes and He did.
Can man die? Yes and God in the form of man died.



No it is not. The statement specifies the form in which God was seen. It is similar to saying "nobody has seen Ijawkid but we have seen him in a video"


I also told you the truth usually verses are spurious whenever they disagree with your bias. Name one "unspurious" translation and I can assure you that I will show you evidence of the multi-personal nature of God from it.[/quote]how can what you are teaching be the word of God when you have to be using you own word to make sense of it?

How can it continue to be what God said when your own sense is what we are seeing here?

Is this still God's word when it needs all this explanation from you?

Does the understanding of God's word need all this imput?

Can we still say that what you have written above is God's word as written in the bible or it is Anony's idea?

Can that your idea give anybody everlasting life?

I really sympathies with you and you lot.


"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:.

hisblud: To start with, the THEOS am refering is in v15 not in v16!

And i stated emphatically, that in the "correctly rendered" NIV, the "He" in vs16 is "Hos" which in greek means "who/which". Thus apply your logic to it using the above first as i have stated.

am not changing from the 2 verses,by bringing in another verse so am still on 1 tim 3:15-16.

Now i have asked you to discard the word "trinity". Now in verse 16 it says in the "correctly rendered" NIV, 1 Tim 3:16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:

Look closely at the bolded, what do you see/read!*

how can a discussion of whether Jesus is Yahweh be centered on a title God?

Is the word god not a tile that even Jesus and Yahwe bear?

So, in the investigation as to whether Jesus is Yahweh, we cannot be arguing with titles..

This is childs play.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow! I was actually (and still am) in the process of typing out a continuation to my "sermon" when I saw this.

You say you don't want a scripture slinging match but then immediately proceed to sling a number of scriptures of your own and demand that I comment. How dishonest of you.

It is because I don't want to throw scriptures up and down against each other that I have proceeded to type the "long sermon" that you refused to read.

I don't believe that scripture contradicts each other and that is why I started with a background explaining who exactly Jesus is and why Jesus is God.

I don't think this argument will be of any benefit to us if on the one hand I take your comments seriously and take my time to give detailed responses while you just sit back and ignore it without even reading it throw out more verses then demand more answers.

Most of the verses you are slinging here are easily explained when you consider that Christ on earth was operating in humility having given up His God privileges to come to earth in the form of man and after He had served His mission, He went back to His position in the Godhead.

I suggest you take the time and read my previous response to you - also open your bible and take time to study the person of Christ don't just scout the bible for verses to throw at people, study it for yourself. Check if there is anywhere I am mistaken or have misrepresented what the bible actually means and point it out to me - and then we can continue. There is still more to come but first you must read what I have already written[/quote]what kind of sense did you make with that your over long epistle?
All you did is force your opinion on scriptures that are saying different thing all together.

If you have made a point that will push this matter your way, we will not have ignored it as irrelevant. Try again, but this time, make sense though

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, It is interesting how your "truth of the rendering" migrates from translation to translation as long as it helps your bias. For instance if I quote 1John 5:7 for you from the KJV, "the truth of the rendering" will immediately pack her bags and run away to another translation.

I can challenge you to pick one translation where the "truth of the rendering" stays put but you won't because if your "truth of the rendering" stays one place, wahala go dey.

The day you people stop trying to make the bible to say what you want it to say by looking for amendable translations, that same day you will begin to understand the bible.[/quote]you dont care for God and his ability to write a book that does not contradict itself.
If you do, consistency of scripture will matter to you.

If you and i can write a book that does not contradict itself how much more God?

The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom.

It should be our concern that a translation does not contradict itself, it should be our watch word, but no, it is a translation that suit our bias/doctrine.

Why cant God write a book that is consistent from Genesis to revelation?

Please yourself, but i will not wish that any bible translation should contradict other part of the same bible, if it does i will point it out as something wrong.

[quote author=Area_boy]You are digging yourself deeper into that hole you started with a terrible analogy like that.

Every logical person will see a flaw to your seemingly simple analogy.


Now wait, this teacher is pretty confident he knows much more than everyone else in that class room. Hence would know the limits he can let this "naughty" kid behave. So when bottles start flying and there is total anarchy, isn't it about time the teacher says "hang on, everyone keep quiet" ?

Your fictional teacher will only allow the naughty kid to do as he please WITHIN the confines of certain limits of things he finds acceptable. What limits have your god set for poor old Lucifer?

So basically everything happening now is acceptable by god?[/quote]you are a disaster, self deceiving hypocrite, where dose bottle comes into this analysis/analogy?

Most of you are atheist not because you need convincing but because of a deceitful heart condition.

A very simple fine illustration that the girl gave but you keep bringing in bottles.

Did you go to school at all?

Is it when ever that a student tells the lecturer that he is wrong that bottles comes out?

What exactly does bottles have to do with this analogy?

Satan opposed Yahweh as it were and offered an alternative to Adam, did he use violent? No.

Did he challenge the power of Yahweh? No.

But he said that Yahweh was lying, QED

that you have taken a side does not mean that you must destroy/distort the fact. Are you so daft?

Leave this place mr bottles!

That satan has been given the chalk to solve the maths and he is failing must you jump up to cover peoples eyes?
do you think it is all person that is as empty and cant reason due to inherent weaknesses as a result of lust?

Stop the stu.pidity!

[quote author=Area_boy]Oh dear gawd!!!! I cant even look


So the teacher stands by and watch this naughty kid start a fight club and burst a few heads with bottles??[/quote]keep quite.

In a real scenario that an experience teacher is told by his student that he is wrong on a topic of maths he has lectured for years what will he do?

Be realist for once.

Sending the student out what will the other members of the class think of the lecturer especially if the student in question was one of the best best in the class?

They will think that he sent him out to avoid being proven wrong.

The best bet if the lecturer was sure of what he was solving is to hand over the chalk to the student to solve the maths and mess up himself, after the student have mess up, he can send him and his co hort out of the class.
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I really wander you atheist how old and experience most of you are in life.

obadiah777: SHE IS BEING HUMBLED. THIS IS JUDGEMENT FOR SOMETHING SHE DID IN PAST LIFE. SHE WAS MOST LIKELY A VERY WICKED SPIRIT IN PAST LIFE. KEEP IN MIND SHE IS IN HAITI SO SHE WAS PROBABLY A DEMONIC VOODOO PRIESTESS IN PAST LIFE.

ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past <<< SHE HAS BEEN HERE IN PAST LIFE AND THE LORD REQUIRES PUNISHMENT FOR THAT WHICH IS PAST

ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it << YOU DIE YOUR SPIRIT RETURNS TO GOD. YOU RECIEVE YOUR JUDGEMENT

2ND ESDRAS 14 VS 35 For after death shall the judgment come, when we shall live again: and then shall the names of the righteous be manifest, and the works of the ungodly shall be declared <<< THE WORKS OF THE UNGODLY WILL BE DECLARED. WHAT HAPPENED TO HER IS A MANIFESTATION OF HER WORKS.

ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment <<< UNDER THE SUN, THE EARTH, IS THE PLACE OF JUDGEMENT WHERE YOUR WORKS FROM PREVIOUS LIFE IS MANIFESTED

JOHN 9 VS 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? <<< AN EXAMPLE OF THE MANIFESTATION OF SOMEONES WORK FROM PAST LIFE HENCE WHY HE WAS BORN BLIND

AND IN A NUTSHELL THATS THE TRUTH RUTH

any body that sees your quote should do well to pick a bible and read the whole chapter and make the sense of the chapter whole and not pick a verse out of context

ooman: Silly Idiot, you are imply defeat, that your God has lost the world to the devil

You know, if the devil is so powerful, scolding your God always, i'd rather worship him

it is a free world, do what that please you.

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4)
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Have we arrived there yet? No.

Stay there and keep looking for atheist convert while you yourself you are in deep shit

obadiah777: WORDS OF WISDOM TOO. FROM KING SOLOMON HIMSELF. KING SOLOMON DID NOT ONLY WRITE THE BOOK OF ECCLESIASTES AND PROVERBS. HIS OTHER BOOKS ARE ECCLESIASTICUS AND WISDOM OF SOLOMON IN THE APOCRYPHA.

extra stories.

Logicboy03: Of course but why do you say so?

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:.

obadiah777: WELL IF THE LORD DOES WHAT WE CONSIDER EVIL, IT IS NOT EVIL. KEEP IN MIND EVIL IS IF YOU ATTACK SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT PROVOKED YOU

ISAIAH 33 VS 1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! << THIS IS EVIL. YOU STARTED SOMETHING WHEN NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING TO YOU.

PSALMS 55 VS 20 He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him <<< THIS IS EVIL

NOW WHEN THE LORD DOES EVIL. IT IS NOT EVIL. IT IS RECOMPENSE FOR THE EVIL YOU HAVE DONE TO SOMEONE ELSE. TECHNICALLY IT IS EVIL. BUT IT IS RIGHTEOUS EVIL

REVELATION 19 VS 13 in righteousness he doth judge and make war. <<< LORD DOES EVIL RIGHTEOUSLY. ITS ALL RECOMPENSE. PAYBACK. HE WILL WAGE WAR AGAINST YOU IN JUDGEMENT FOR THE EVIL YOU DID. SO I DONT THINK I EVER SAID THE LORD DOES WICKEDNESS AS YOU POSTED, BECAUSE WICKEDNESS IS IF YOU DO EVIL TO SOMEONE WHO IS AT PEACE WITH YOU AND HAS DONE NOTHING TO YOU.

mumbo jimbo.

Keep going around in circle.

there is a difference between philosophy and christianity.

ooman: At times i wonder how much this God loves us and still allow somethings to happen. The pictures you ll see are just "some" of the cases of genetic mutations which your God is too busy to do something about. But when it comes to designing hell and lake of fire, he is good at that. This could only happen "when there is no God". Damn, these are "children". If God exist, he is so "heartless". I hate God. Check on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk7yEj4g5YI&NR=1&feature=endscreen [img]1[/img]

ignorance is a very big diseases.

"And we know that we originate from God, but the whole world is in the power of the wicked one. (1 John 5:19).
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"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).

Since the kingdom of God is yet to come, the blame/failures in question should be directed at the ruler of this system of things.

And the failures are his.

ooman: At times i wonder how much this God loves us and still allow somethings to happen. The pictures you ll see are just "some" of the cases of genetic mutations which your God is too busy to do something about. But when it comes to designing hell and lake of fire, he is good at that. This could only happen "when there is no God". Damn, these are "children". If God exist, he is so "heartless". I hate God. Check on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk7yEj4g5YI&NR=1&feature=endscreen [img]1[/img]

ignorance is a very big diseases.

"And we know that we originate from God, but the whole world is in the power of the wicked one. (1 John 5:19).
................
"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).

Since the kingdom of God is yet to come, the blame/failures in question should be directed at the ruler of this system of things.

And the failures are his.