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alexleo: Pagans cannot celebrate chirst. You are just dancing around the question he asked you. I didnt know you are such a skillful dancer.

we are not talking about celebrating christ, but we are talking about birthday celebration which is christmas.

Dont twist.

true2god: Lets look at another angle of event\fashion, something not quite related to xmas. When i was in school i used to attend one xtain fellowship where i was told that the wearing of Jeans is against the word of God. We were told the history of peaple dat started the use of Jeans trousiers hw bad they are and their association with pple of the dark world. Incidentally over 70% of we guys in dat meeting were putting on Jean trousiers.

Some guys left the meetin in annoyance for wat the guy said on the podium cos most of us see jeans as rugged and can be used for weeks without washing (just brushing) and will save us time for anoda useful things in sch.

The other issue is the wedding ring, many pple view wedding ring as as ancient hindu practice associated with occultism, but today its a norm and even an integral part of the weddin process. Can we now say wedding rings are demonic cos it has no root in xtainity?

Most of us will rather choose to stay in our house and lock up ourselves frm the society if we choose to entertain all our time and taught on practices of today that are not in the bible. Even the olympics (greek olympus) is associated with idols (see the olympic sign and hologram and study its origin ). Are we now saying that the competitors and athletes and spectators and the LOC are worshipping idol?

The moment we realize the dynamics of human civilization and progression, most of our unneccessary burdens of certains things we see wrong will ease. Paul talked about the celebration of time and season (during his time there was no xmas,partly cos the church system is still strange to the pple at dat time), but he placed no burden on the pple not to celebrate as long as no sacrifice is made to 'appease' any false god (somewhere in the book of corinthian).

Happy holiday to all my friends, incuding plappvile.

which of what you have listed have a part to play in christian worship so that we can take it out like Chrismas?

true2god: One thing most pple dnt understand is dat the present day calender system(especially gregorian calender) and days namings were all named after stranges gods. Sunday in particular was names after the god of the SUN, and d day (sunday) was the day dedicated to idol worship during the greeko-roman empire.

Can we now say dat xtains dat go to church on sundays are worshipping the SUN god, given the historical antecedent of sunday, as a day dedicated to idol worship? One thing we need understand is dat the world has evolved so much and many practices ones seen as paganistic are no longer so. Take for instance, on SUNDAY (during the greeko-roman period), sacrifices are made to gods of ephesus and others. But in today sundays pple go to church to hear the word of God, and no ritual made. Will u now say sunday services are dedicated to SUN god? No.

The basis for my argument is dis, even though im not a xmas freak, there is nothing wrong celebratin the birth of christ if done modestly and with sober reflection on the significance of christ birth. No one knws the specific date christ was born. Even my grand mother(in dis modern era), the family dont knw the actual date she was born cos there is no birth registration centre in my village. So if the family choses a particular day to celebrate her it is never a crime as long as no idol or ancestral worship is attched to dat.

So the argument of not seeing anything good in xmas celebration is wrong and bias. It is true dat durin xmas so might choose to do things contrary to the bible, like drinkin and partying, but we shouldnt also forget dat many good things equally take place during xmas (family meetings, family prayers, showing love to friends, sharing of gifts, visitings friends and families, taking time off work, team\ bonding exercise, and even travelling)

let always see the + side of life and not be unnecesarily critics dat will not change anything but always in the corner to judge the seemingly flawed part of a system.

thank you for telling me that your worship has an affinity to the sunday, but it is not a universal thing to all christians since there are those that have there gathering in any day of the week that is conducive to the majority of the congregation peculiar circumstances.

Secondly, birthday celebration is not synonimouse with the wordhipers of Yahweh but is synonimouse with worshipers of satan.

So, again, you are following an example that has nothing to do with the example set for us in the bible.

You are on you own.

If you feel you are not on you own can you show us an example of what you say you do in the bible?

You are just part of this "world"

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Zikkyy: I agree we don't need additions from pagan sources.

but you added Chrismas/birth day a pegan celebration from pegan sources. No?

Zikkyy: Oga truthislight, why do you keep repeating what we already know.Just answer the simple question, and lets close this case.

i am not a prsumpteouse person.

You seem to have gotten a "degree" for presumptiouseness.

We have given you reason to arrived a conclusion for your own self but you say no. Good for you.
Peace

Zikkyy: Na wa oh if you cannot say yes, on what basis then do you condemn the act of celebrating birthdays. it shows you are not sure, and it's proof your condemnation is not supported by the bible.

One thing i have shown here is that nobody has been able to prove that the act of celebrating Christmas will lead the celebrant to hell. What that means is that if done right (i.e. without the o.rgies and with a true focus on Christ) there are no issues with celebrating the birth of Christ. The other issue i wanted to resolve is that we should be able to differentiate what activities is actually pagan practice and what activities are not. The fact that an act was performed by a pagan does not make it a pagan practice. maybe we can still conclude that bit, then am out of here.

you are on your own.

Do things outside the law of God then you are a lawless person.

I wander why people are always presumptiouse, and is it not true that Yahweh always kill such individuals?
Yes he does!

Zikkyy: You are the one telling us that Christ commanded that we should not celebrate his birth, we don't find that in the scripture. so how can you say am adding to Christ command when we don't have the full details of his command?

but you decided to complete it by adding Chrismas/birth day celebration.

Are you right in doing that.

What Does the Bible
Say About
Christmas? The Bible’s answer The Bible does not give the date of Jesus’ birth, nor
does it say that we should celebrate his birthday. As
McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “The
observance of Christmas is not of divine
appointment, nor is it of NT [New Testament]
origin.” Instead, an examination of the history of Christmas
exposes its roots in pagan religious rites. The Bible
shows that we offend God if we try to worship him
in a way that he does not approve of.—Exodus 32:5-7. History of Christmas customs 1. Celebrating Jesus’ birthday: “The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth
because they considered the celebration of
anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”—The
World Book Encyclopedia. 2. December 25: There is no proof that Jesus was born on that date. Church leaders likely
chose this date to coincide with pagan
festivals held on or around the winter
solstice. 3. Gift-giving, feasting, partying: The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a
Roman feast celebrated in mid-December,
provided the model for many of the merry-
making customs of Christmas. From this
celebration, for example, were derived the
elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia
Britannica notes that “all work and business
were suspended” during Saturnalia. 4. Christmas lights: According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, Europeans
decorated their homes “with lights and
evergreens of all kinds” to celebrate the
winter solstice and to combat evil spirits. 5. Mistletoe, holly: “The Druids ascribed magical properties to the mistletoe in
particular. The evergreen holly was
worshiped as a promise of the sun’s
return.”—The Encyclopedia Americana. 6. Christmas tree: “Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after
their conversion to Christianity.” One of the
ways in which tree worship survived is in the
custom of “placing a Yule tree at an entrance
or inside the house in the midwinter
holidays.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.

Zikkyy: I do not live by examples. I live by Christ and the apostles teachings (and the commandment). If you live by examples and you are not up to 33 years of age, ensure you find a way of getting yourself nailed to a cross when you are 33. If you are above 33yrs, then stop telling us you follow example.

hahaha. Lol.

Ok, see:

7 Remember the faithful men, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of
life and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be
strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial
foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so. (Hebrews 13:7-9)

^^^

you are on your own

Zikkyy: You have not answered the question. Kindly show where Christ stated that we should not celebrate his birthday. We know Christ said the Passover should be done in remembrance of him but did he say that's all we are required to do and any other act is a sin?

do you know the meaning of the "word" lawlessness?

Yes, what you are doing is called lawlessness.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have we cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you workers of lawlessness (Matthew 7:22-23).

Zikkyy: You have not answered the question. Kindly show where Christ stated that we should not celebrate his birthday. We know Christ said the Passover should be done in remembrance of him but did he say that's all we are required to do and any other act is a sin?

if christ commanded for his death and not his birth why do you add/complete it for him?

Are you telling christ that he did not know what he was doing?

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Zikkyy: You are still not saying anything. All i read is fraud, pagan and nothing else in your post. Let me help you out.
1. Christmas is pagan because it is a sin to celebrate the birth of Christ
2. Christmas is pagan because it was instituted by pagans (catholic church)
3. Christmas is pagan because it involves sinful activities like human sacrifice
4. Christmas is pagan because it celebrated by both pagans and Christians today

If you provide statement like the above, am sure we can end this discussion with just a page of brain storming. If you select item #1 for example will make items 2-4 totally irrelevant for discussion. So we have a focus kindly tell us in clear english why Christmas is pagan.

idolatrouse worship is a sin QED.

And that is what birth day celebration is = idolatory.

honeric01: Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the birth of the sun god.
God had this to say about appropriating pagan methods of worship and trying to honor Him with them:

DEUTERONOMY 12:28 "Observe and obey all these words which I command you, that it may go well with you and your children after you forever, when you do what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God. 29 When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you,

(and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.')

31 "You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. 32 Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. (NKJV)

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Jesus-Birthday

great quote my friend, the part in bracket ^^^.

It speaks volumes on what we are discussing, borrowing pegan celebration.

plappville: Scripture explains the day of a man’s death is better than the day of his birth.

Jeremiah cursed the day of his own birth:
Jer 20:14 Cursed be the day on which I was born: let not the day on which my mother bore me be blessed.

18 Why did I ever come out of the womb to see trouble and sorrow and to end my days in shame?

Bithday is very important yet Solomon was inspired to write:(Ecc. 7:1) “A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one’s birth”

Job didn't stop cursing the day He was born, you can read the whole of chapter 3:
Job 3: 1After this, Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth. 2He said:

3“May the day of my birth perish,
and the night it was said, ‘A boy is born!’
4That day—may it turn to darkness;
may God above not care about it;
may no light shine upon it.

If the day of our death is better than the day of our birth, and some of God’s greatest servants/prophets
said that their birth date was far from being a special day, then how special can this day be?
According to Scripture, it is not a time to express joy, sing and expect gifts, simply becaus one is born into the world on a specific date!

the idea of a pegan birth day celebrations is based upon some demonic notions that are not scriptural :

1. Humans are gods.
2. Human worship.
3. Worship/celebrating of the spirit/demon in charge of the specific day that the person was born(by doing this the spirit rejoice with the celebrant and blesses such a celebrant)

^^^
certainly has nothing to do with the servant of God Yahweh.

plappville: We do celebrates His death in the church i attend, every last sunday of the month, breaking of bread eat together after service.
But they also celebrate Christmas, giving thesame reason as our NL brothers...

What kind of anniversary be this one na(monthly ke?)

does Nissan 14, the day of christ death/comomeration comes twice in a year?

Sis, shine your eyes oh!

Paxchal: you didn't answer me o. When the angels and Shepherd celebrated the birth of christ were they doing pagan things? If God was against celebrating Christ birth why would his Angels do it?

was that "date"/birthday celebration?

Dont you know what a birth date/day is?

Todaynatoday: Abegi, Christmas is not a celebration of Christ's birth, it is just another public holiday when you remember:
* christmas tree
* satan claus a.k.a father christmas (na im kukuma get am)
* elves and the north pole
* snowman
* to throw fire crackers and disturb my peace
* that chicken & rice is suddenly so important
* to go to beach and have fun (woo hoo, Jesus would be so pleased)
* to go clubbing (praise the lord somebody)
Although I have no qualms with christmas, I just hate it when people try to paint it as something that is so important. Maybe it used to be about the birth of Christ but now, christmas has lost its' essence. Pagans have reclaimed their celebration (maybe the pope should change it to the celebration of Jesus' baptism)

lol.

You sure have a fine sense of humor.

"Lets go to da club and say hallelujah some body, it jesus birthday!"
^^

@Zikky you are invited.

Chrismas/mess indeed.

alexleo: Blind argument. If Jesus wasnt born would he have died? And if not for his death whats the need of him being born?
The song you sing is coined from the bible abi? The birth of JESUS we celebrate is in the bible. Luke 2:9-15,20. The angels and the shepherd celebrated it and thats what we are doing.

the bible says, better is the day of ones death than the day of ones birth.

The truth remains that there is no example of any of all faithful servant of God celebrating birthday.

But there are examples of satan wordhipers celebrating birthdays.

Whose example are you following = satan wordhipers examples.

"the things written afore times were written for our own instructions" the bible says.

Stop being emotional and face the facts.

You are following an example set by wordhipers of satan.

You are not following an example of any servant of Yahweh on this.

You are on your own.

Like Ijawkid said, if the jews that became christians had to abandon the things of the law covanant, how much more the things of pegan satan wordhipers.

Stop celebrating birthdays, as a christian you have no example to that end except that set by satan's wordhipers.
Peace.

alexleo: The birth of christ and his death are the same. It was his death for our redemption that brought about his birth.

if they are the same, why did christ remember and commanded that his death be comomerated but forgot his birth?

You have been deceived by a certain pope.

Retraced your steps while there is still time.
Peace.

alexleo: You people are just making noise.
We are celebrating the birth of Jesus. A pagan cannot celebrate Jesus so what you people are saying here doesnt make sense.

your words!

I wished you were the judge and have the final say.

But as it is, you are just hoping you will get a reward.

Zikkyy: Hahahahahahahahaha

Bros this is not fair na how you go reject my goodwill message

if the message was just you Zikky wishing us well, fine.

But you added something that has a root with demonicc wordhipers.

Satan is very cunning.

Dont forget there is nothing wrong with the eating of bread but that same bread turned to a temptation to christ, so, keep your christmas good will.

You can give it to me after today. 25th. Lol.

frosbel: When I say SOME Pentecostals are Catholics I attract insults.

Just a few of the doctrines they hold in common :

Trinity
Christmas
Easter
Eternal torment
Immortal Soul

etc..............

true talk.

It is a mother and daughter thing.

Zikkyy: I like you, you are more reasonable that is not to say i don't like my other anti-xmas brothers and sister o!



I said something in one of my posts here. we should consider if the larger population of peeps celebrating Christmas are Christians. If we say the celebration is not done in a manner acceptable to God by true Christians, that would be a concern. If you adopt the issue of origin, then i will say all form of worship ultimately originated from the initial practice by Cain and Abel. Pagan worship has its origin from worship of God, you think that make pagan worship acceptable to God? Why would intent matter in such case and not matter when it comes to the issue of Christmas?

the issue is that true servant of God Yahweh did not celebrate birthdays.

Pegans have the example of celebrating birthdays.

Whose example are you following here?

alexleo: And you want to tell me that everything you do in life was instituted by you. The songs you sing in church was composed by you ijawkid? And because a pope institued christmas does that make it sin? So even when a pope brings out a good idea we should reject it because we are not catholics? No sir. Christmas is a fraud and an insult on Jesus only in your view. Not in other people's views.

what is this your argument attacking?
Did Ijawkid say you should follow his law or that christmas is not biblcal?

Men, be honest.

Are we to follow pope or the law of christ?

Why follow a pegan command if you say you are a follower of christ?

frosbel: Sorry you lost me here, I simply stated that Christmas is not a Christian holiday , used to be called Yuletide especially in Europe and has nothing to do with Christ or his message.

However I use this period as a reminder to others of Christ and his sacrifice.

But i know as a christian you remember/talk about christ every day.

Some people preach him every day to others, he is a way of life for them.

Is it then necessary to say you remember him on a set day?

Yea! Except Nissan 14 the day of his death that he said his death should be comomerated.

This ^^^ has a direct command in the bible.

Zikkyy: Importance is not the issue here, otherwise i would be saying it is mandatory to celebrate Christmas. I asked a question, "do you consider my action to be a sin that God will ensure i receive the necessary punishment?" it is a simple question, just ensure you support your answer with proof from scriptures

you are part of an idolatrouse worship.

I am not the one sentencing people.

God does and rewards obedience.

Zikkyy: Pagans did not celebrate Christ. So what's this talk about stealing a pagan festival?


Are you now saying we should adopt the laws of the old testament?

pegan celebrate birth days.

Birthday celebration is pegan and you also celebrate it.

You and pegans have that in common.

Servant of Yahweh and christ dont celebrate birthdays. No? Then show me where they did?

You are a pegan or one of them then if you dont show me.

Christianity means followers of christ and not followers of pegans.

Zikkyy: And just before I sign off, I will like to use this opportunity to wish my anti-xmas brother's and sister (ljawkid, truthislight & plappville) a very merry Xmas celebration. Wishing you a 'bombastic' Xmas . Please don't drink and drive, I very much want to read your posts in year 2013

"I jump am pass"

not For me guy.

Party and having of fun is turning to the trap that will catch you on this.

Zikkyy: I asked a question in some time back and your guys quietly avoided it, maybe you can answer if you have the courage.

"what if I decided to celebrate the birth of Christ by a dedicating a day once a year for it, a day I chose, and I spend the day giving praises. Do you consider my action a sin? If yes kindly state why"

birth day celebration is not an example set for us by the Jews faithful/partriachs and the christians followers of christ.

The celebration of birthday is a partan shown to be of wordhipers of satan.

"salvation originate from the Jews. John 4:22

^^^ else you will be following a partan that is clearly synonimouse with the Gentile and wordhipers of satan.

It is your choice my friend.

The sister is doing her best to show that we should follow the example set for us if we dont want to take any risk of making mistake.

God Yahweh and satan dont shear anything in common.

You cannot either slave for two masters.

God and the tradition of men that was set by satan for the befor christ came and befor Yahweh revealed his law to israel.

Did you think that Yahweh forgot the date of christ birth if the day of christ birth was really important?

Logicboy03: You are really sick. If I were a christian, I would touch Job with a ten foot pole.


How can you call that the truth?


Job's family was murdered just to test his faith and you are saying that is the truth? Should your mother, wife and children be killed to test your faith?


Isnt that the point of the thread? To stop christians from preaching sadistic doctrines?

"So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." (Job 2:7).

Is this ^^^ Yahweh striking Job or the one that said that human will never obey God and his ways as to proved his point?

Logicboy03: Typical....christians running away from the point of the thread. Anony agrees with this nonsense;


https://i.imgur.com/BfPnr.png





Hope Truthisliight isnt of the same theology

impossible!!!