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[quote author=Mr_Anony]My friend too much grammar is unnecessary. All I asked you to do was to show me where in scripture that the devil was the same form/nature of God.[/quote]imagined!

Do i need to teach you that satan is a spirit person? No.

What you are doing here is chasing shadows.

I said that christ that came as a man was a spirit person which is the foam of Yahweh and satan is also a spirit person. QED.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You didn't understand the analogy but all the same let me help you. Of course GEJ is one President in the same way we have one God. This should tell you immediately that for the bible to say Christ is equal with the father, it can only mean that Christ is God. Note Christ is not the Father but the Father and the Son are both equally God.[/quote]my friend dont sale a bait to us with that.

We all agree and know that the word "God" is a title that christ also bear and satan also including humans.

But we are talking about who is the almighty God Yahweh.

You and trinity Say:

1. he is the Jesus christ that came to earth.

2. That christ and Yahweh are equals.

3. That Jesus christ is almighty God.

So, the patronage from you that Jesus is also called God is not the born here.

That satan is called god in the bible, does that make him the almighty God? No:

"In whom the "god" of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4).
.................

Satan called the god of this system/world does not make him almighty God Yahweh.

It is either you return to the truth or you keep defending this lie call trinity that has moved people away from the true God Yahweh.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good so now we are looking at context. When you read from verse 1, you see that Paul was writing to tell the Christians in Philippians to humble themselves to one another. The best example He used was Christ by telling them that Christ is equal to God but brought Himself low.

Let me bring it home to you:

Imagine that you are in church and one brother asked you to sweep the church and you respond by saying "A whole me, how dare you ask a big boy like me to sweep the church?!"

At this, another brother now pulls you aside and points to one other guy quietly cleaning the toilet and says: "You should emulate brother Tunde, even though he is the same status as Goodluck Jonathan, he is not taking advantage of his equality with the president but has humbled himself and taken the status of a servant"

That is the context in which that verse was written. If that verse is not enough proof to you then I don't know what else you want.

It was because of His Humility that Christ came, suffered and died for us.[/quote]the analogy you gave there does it make sense to you?

*sigh*

do we have two of GEJ in Nigeria? No.

Even the second in command is not an equal to GEJ.

Can you see what trinity is doing to you?

It is erroding rationality.

The members of that church are not equals, though some of them are royalties and have very high status in the society they will do well imbibbing the mine/mental disposition of christ, that though he was and had a superior form/great posstiition being that he was in "God's form" he was humble in that he took up a lower position to be a man and do Yahweh's will.

Yes, for such humility, Yahweh rewarded him Jesus by exalting him above every other names in heaven and on earth.

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Boomark: @Anony

Phillipians 2:6: Who, being in
very nature God,
did not consider equality with
God something to be used to
his own advantage;

You have been reading this out of context.

v5 says "let this mind be in you which is in Christ jesus." this is trying to show us the mindset of Christ as he serve. Believers should not be boastful no matter the power they have.

Who, being in the very nature(form) of God: An ordinary man is a god. A man filled with the Holyspirit is a god greater than an ordinary man. How much more the lamb of God filled with the seven spirits of God, Rev 5:6. The Father promised to put His spirit upon him, mt 12:18.
So he is a God.

did not consider equality with
God something to be used to
his own advantage;
If Christ should raise himself equal to his Godly nature(ie the state where he is God not the Father o), he would have ruled as king on earth. The pharisees would tremble at his feet. No body will dare plot to kill him or spit on him. While they were flogging him, he would have commanded the angels to release him and to beat a hell out of those soldiers. He never used it to save himself ie to his advantage.

But he was obedient to the will of the Father(luke 22:42) to the point of death.

he Anony has never asked himself that, if christ was "equal with Yahweh" why, would attaining equality to Yahweh be said to be a thing of advantage to christ Jesus? Afteral, he had it already?

Why consider equality as a thing giving him an advantage he is supposed to have already have?

Meaning that christ never had such advantage yet.

You see? This whole thing is insanity.

Even after he has been exalted he is still serving under his father Yahweh:

"Because he(Yahweh) hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

So, after christ has been raise from the death and exalted more than he was befor coming to the earth he is still carrying out assigment given to him by his father Yahweh.

How can one then say that christ has been equal with Yahweh?
*sigh*

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, this is just you trying to twist the analogy out of context. My point has been made.[/quote]my friend leave trinity alone.

It does not align with what the scriptures say.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]All you have to do now is show me one verse of Scripture that says that Satan was in the form of God.

Remember that Philipians 2 does not say Christ wanted to be equal with God but that he did not want to use equality with God to His advantage thereby clearly showing that Christ was equal with God but chose to humble Himself.

If He wasn't equal to God, how then would He have the choice use equality - that He didn't have originally - to His advantage? In fact one of the translations you used (the NIV) says "...... Who being in the very nature God".

I don't know how much clearer you want it.

Anyway no problem, just show where in scripture that you saw that the devil was in the same form/nature of God.[/quote]this ^^^ is a lay mans argument.

Satan is a spirit creature as Yahweh is a spirit and they are in the same form being spirits.

Satan wanted to "raise his throne as high as that of the most high God" befor he was brought down and will be "turned to ashes"

this is a very simple thing that you have made complicated for your self because of the dogma called trinity.

That scripture simply made the statement to teach us a lesson in parallel to christ.

Then Jesus was a human, so the fine example he set by abandoning his superior spirit form in obedience to Yahweh is whet we are to imitate. A lesson in humility.

While satan a spirit creature also did the opposite, he wanted equality with Yahweh.

By the way, trinity also said that Jesus is Yahweh

Infact, trinity ^^^ is a mad man theory. QED

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, I like it when lawyers show up and try to play with words so we are arguing over the word "chose". It is also quite funny how you are trying to split hairs between "choosing" to become a servant and "agreeing" to become a servant. Nonetheless, let us look at what the bible says:


Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Phil 2:5-7(NKJV)

Even funnier still, you try to suggest that it wasn't really of His own volition but that someone else made him do it. Let us look at the verses you pointed at: Hebrews 2:7-9
The writer of Hebrews wa quoting Psalm 8 and Psalm 8 clearly talks about man and how God has placed man in dominion over everything. Note David wasn't painting man in that Psalm as a position of humility but one of greatness. (just wanted to make that bit clear)

Now even if Jesus Christ was told by God the Father to become man and He agreed. It wouldn't be proof that He is not equal to God the Father or couldn't have chosen otherwise if He wanted to. In fact in order for you to nullify the the word "chose" as I used it, you must show from scripture that Jesus had no other choice than to be made a man.

Furthermore, if Jesus did not choose to come, then it wouldn't be an act of humility rather it would simply be following orders. It can only be humility when you submit to someone who is deemed your equal or lower than you. If God told an angel to become man, it wouldn't be an act of humility if the angel obeyed, he would simply be following God's orders.

So I repeat, Christ chose to humble Himself even though He was equal with God and become flesh and blood for our sakes.

Now with this in mind Matthew 26 becomes easy to understand because we now know that at the point when Christ was on earth, He was acting in humility to the father so it should follow that He was submitting to the Father's will. Remember that part of His prayer also was ".....And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."(John 17:5)

Why would Jesus ask God to glorify Him? and notice the glory He is demanding here; He is demanding for the same glory as God the Father has and also He is claiming that they had this glory together before the world existed. No man or angel would dare make such a "blasphemous" prayer unless of course that it is true.

My friend, from the moment you start picking on particular words and trying to redefine their meaning, you should ask yourself if you are really obeying the bible or are you trying to make the bible say what you want it to say.

As for the video, I did not submit it as canonical scripture. I am not basing my argument on it but I think it gives a good illustration of what trinity is about in much the same way as a Christian movie or an audio sermon or even my typing on nairaland would also give an illustration of what Christ is about. It doesn't mean I am basing the word of God on a video or audio sermon or some blog. That said, I'll still suggest you watch the video.[/quote]can you show a direct bible quotation that shows that Jesus christ is equal to God?

So that then we can conclude that when Jesus christ said his father was greater than he was he did not know what he was saying?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]So I repeat, Christ chose to humble Himself even though He was equal with God and become flesh and blood for our sakes.[/quote]please show us were the bible says that christ was/is equal to God.

Note: no conjectures please.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I believe that verse is pretty straightforward. If I say I didn't want to take advantage of my equality to the president, but chose to humble myself, it can only mean that I am equal to the president but I am just being humble.

Don't twist the meaning just because you don't agree by default.[/quote]who is the one twisting here?

Ok lets see:

kjv.
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (Philippians 2:5-6).


Philippians 2:5-11 NIV - In your relationships with one another ... 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider
equality with God something to be used to his own
advantage; ...


Philippians 2:5-6 NASB - Have this attitude in yourselves which ... Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in
Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the
form of God, did no



this scriptures are actually giving praise to christ for his fine example that he set in humility as opposed to satan the devil who was also in the form of God but wanted to be equal to God.

Christian are urged to have same mind as christ.

Does this means that all christians are equal and same person? No.

But rather, all christians are are "humans" that should be human.

That christ humility led to his being exalted.

You are actually the one twisting the scripture by trinity "default"

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I believe that verse is pretty straightforward. If I say I didn't want to take advantage of my equality to the president, but chose to humble myself, it can only mean that I am equal to the president but I am just being humble.

Don't twist the meaning just because you don't agree by default.[/quote]who is the one twisting here?

Ok lets see:

kjv.
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (Philippians 2:5-6).



Philippians 2:5-6 NASB - Have this attitude in yourselves which ... Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in
Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the
form of God, did no



this scriptures are actually giving praise to christ for his example he set in humility as opposed to satan the devil who was also in the form of God but want to be equal to God.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]The translation is ERV. What's your point?[/quote]that the context may have been a reference to knowledge.

Actually, i have never seen that portion translated in that fashion befor today.

And i dont know how many other translation is in consonant with that your translation

[quote author=Mr_Anony]There is no need to throw verses at you because the ones that have been presented to you on this thread, you have conveniently rejected already.

For instance if I say to you that:

"Anony who is in the very same nature as the president did not want to use his equality to GEJ to his advantage but chose to humble himself and argue on Nairaland....."

That statement would clearly tell you that I am equal to the president but I am just being humble. The verse (Phil 2:5) clearly explains why Jesus is sometimes referred to as God's servant. He humbled Himself to that position.[/quote]wrong!



"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also heavenly bodies, and bodies earthly: but the glory of the HEAVENLY is one, and the glory of the EARTHLY is another.
"There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." (1 Corinthians 15:39-41)
..................

Christ has a heavenly body and the glory of a heavenly body befor coming to the earth and not that he was "equal to Yahweh"

your understanding of that scripture is twisted.

How can christ be equal to his father when he said that his father is "greater than he" is?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My dear friend just watch the video first then we'll talk.[/quote]how can you be standing the central doctrine of christiandom on a video?

Is the bible no longer enough?

If you should simply tell us that trinity is not standing on the bible but on a video we will all leave you and your trinity and mind our ways and you mind yours.

If that is the case, fine and well, and dont use the bible next time to paint it.

If you say it is the bible, then address the op.

Those shapes you are showing in that video are the same shapes that church of satan also makes use of in their illustrations.

Are you saying that the throne of Yahweh and the throne of satan have those in common?

I thought the two "temples cannot shear" things

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I don't see the difference


Not really, it is more like how a 1-year-old baby can't solve calculus. It doesn't mean that the baby knows nothing, it's just that the baby's knowledge is not enough.
The time will come when all will be revealed and we will know as we are known.

"......But when perfection comes, the things that are not complete will end.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, and I made plans like a child. When I became a man, I stopped those childish ways.
It is the same with us. Now we see God as if we are looking at a reflection in a mirror. But then, in the future, we will see him right before our eyes. Now I know only a part, but at that time I will know fully, as God has known me." 1Corinthians 13:10-12[/quote]which translation is that ^^^

"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." (1 Corinthians 13:10-13)

this scripture is a reference to knowledge according to verse 8,9:

"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part." (1 Corinthians 13:8-9).

I just wanted to be clear with the bible portion.

ijawkid: It seems you do hate the witnesses.......wetin them do you??.....them kidnap your parents??......

good question.

I think he hates the witnesses because the preach and he does not.

I hope Yahweh will judge the same way that he does and hate all the witness for preaching.

The hate in him is too big.

The same person is carrying the hate to bible translations/translators and to frosbel that may even have conscience to hate the lies and fraud in the name of the bible that he loves so much.

obadiah777: BROS I DEY WORK ON AM. I GO FULL GROUND SOON GOD WILLING. OH BOY THOSE WEY PERISH NO BE INNOCENT OOOOOOO ( JOB 4 VS 7 ) ( JOB 8 VS 20 ) <<<< CHECK THOSE 2 VERSES OUT IN THE KJV. INNOCENT PERSON NO DEY PERISH. I AM SURE YOU BELIEVE BABA GOD WHEN HE SAYS THAT. I NO FEAR NAIJA AT ALL. THE POWER WEY DEY IN ME DEY GREATER THAN ALL THE DEMONS WEY DEY FOR THAT SIDE

my guy,

i hope you know that some of the statement in Job were made by the fake/false advisers/companion of Job?

Besides, God will not punish the righteouse yes, but the ruler of this world is satan and as such evil can still happen to the righteouse once.

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the hand of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19).

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

Image123: God speaks to satan all the time. God speaking to you isn't necessarily a sign that you're doing right. The more sure word of prophecy has been given as a mirror for everyone. Make sure you're transformed by it.

i like this.

free123: i wonder why u are taking medication for another person's illness. Go and deal with ur falsehood - JW. stop speaking for another person when u have not spoken for yourself.

do you take "Jamaican vegetable"?

free123: whenever ur wickedness is exposed by an independent observer u blame christendom or catholic. ok for ur information, i am not a roman catholic and do not worship under any denomination just like u that follow Charles and his wickedness.

i do not sell the word of God in form of magazines or tracts just like u guys that go from house to house extorting money from people in d name of contributing to the printing of ur wicked magazines. i do not ask people to tithe as that also is against God's word. so truthisdarkness, where am i getting the financial gains from? are u not ashamed that u condemn tithes but sell magazines to make up? are u not ashamed that ur opinion is informed by ordinary men and women who sit and make interpretations for u? dont even start cos u have a lot in ur cupboard

stop making noise and stop condemning frosbel for opening a thread to express his views.

What then will you do to logicboy that also open a thread to say there is no God?

Develop a good heart my friend.
Peace

Boomark: I asked you to point out the nonsense i wrote before but you didn't. I asked you if Michael is an ordinary angel, you didn't answer.

seal your mouth and seal your mouth and seal it well.

If you know you will not continue to seal you mouth, then please answer this question:

Boomark: Is Michael an ordinary angel?

@ boomark

come and answer thisquestion and dont avoid it and later post anything you like here.

truthislight: if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation?

am waiting.

Here:


if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation?

Rich4god: The apostle didnt teach about trinity... The church started it. So how come trinity passed your "non-apostolic practices"....

good kwestion

@Rich4god

you are a very observant person in deed.

I just wander!

free123: frosbel are u frustrated?
u still remain the most controversial person in this room. opening threads upon threads that will never add value to someone's salvation. u have led multiple to sin. u have led people to insult one another, opening threads that people would argue and tear one another apart. denying the deity of Christ and His preexistence, even when many verses attesting to that are staring u right in the face.

u have already passed judgment on yourself mr. frosbel.

wait, an exposition still on the way on NIV TEENS STUDY

dont you think you are the one passing your wicked judgment on frosbel here?

Of all the deceit and exploitation going on in the name of christianity on which of them have you seen and decided that it is a good thing to God and man to warn people? None.

Your interest is not on man and may not even be on God but mostlikely on the benefit you will get financially.

You are ok with all the fraud in christiandom today and any expose on the fraud and lies hurts you since it affects mostlikely your income.

You should be ashamed really.

Start standing for the truth.

Leave frosbel alone and dont pass judgement on your fellow man, as long as he wants to learn the truth there is no crime about that.

Why not you also open a thread and show from the scriptures what you belief is the bible truth also?

Pastor Kun: Why don't you start by giving us a biblical definition of trinity as even trinitarians don't seem to agree on their various definitions of trinity.

they wish to sweep the "central doctrine of christiandom" under the carpet.

As confussiouse as the doctrine is, so has "christianity" becomes.

Why not? When the core/central doctrine is a confussion itself.

wiegraf: Meh

what!

Nooooooo!
That cant be your kind?

truthislight: just add this to it:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their use of many words " (Matthew 6:7).

What exactly qualifies as repetitions?

Is saying in Jesu name, in jesus name, in Jesus name over and over qualifies as repetitions?

Is jesus or Yahweh deaf that we need to repeat their names?

But the bible said do mot use repetition in prayer.

Afteral the bible says that our heavenly father knows what you need befor your asking.

So, is repetition biblical?

the first thing about repetition is that it signals a lack of faith in a God that has the capacity to read our heart and mind, so, by repeating words in prayers we want to force Yahweh to make sure he answers our prayers.

Can we talk to our governor in such a manner?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]True, I agree. My apologies.

@Rich4God,
If you are serious on discussing Trinity, please open a new thread, define Trinity in the OP and paste a link here. . . . . then we shall discuss.[/quote]if we can just accept whatever that suites us and wish to pass such to others as "truth" irrespective of what the scriptures says, on what moral ground then can any other person say whatever the other person wishes to belief irrespective of what the scriptures says is wrong?

Boomark: Is Michael an ordinary angel?

@ boomark

come and answer thisquestion and dont avoid it and later post anything you like here.

truthislight: if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation?

am waiting.

Here:


if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation?

Boomark: GOOD!

He is still a messenger but not an angel. He is above the angels and not an angel when the decree "to which of the angels...." was made. This is because God can make his messenger not equal to the angels.

the angels first and foremost are all Yahweh's sons befor being messengers:

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:7).

That i have 10 sons does not mean they are all equal and have the same capacity.

My first born son is hair to my throne and as such he is unique.

Jesus is the first born of all of Yahweh's creation and as such he is unique.

Dont be confused.

Dont be a 1 scripture bible student, see the bigger picture.

Jesus like every other angel is a son to Yahweh.

But he is the first son and have the highest authority.
Peace

obadiah777: OH YOU ONLY LIKE ME WHEN I ERR. SEE THIS ENEMY OF PROGRESS *SMDH*

not really, keeping an open mind and not maintaining that you are the only one that is right and never giving consideration to what other bible portions are saying.

And not when the portion does not suit you you resort to saying " it is spiritual/symbolicalal"

having an open mind is a blessing sometimes and that is why i am saying that with this new disposition, discussing with you will be more fun.

Peace.

Boomark: Is Michael an ordinary angel?

if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation?

ijawkid: Hmmmmm...........

I've been missing in action.......it seems I have to get myself back into this thread......

.........................

Now what is haPpening??.....

were have you been?

Nos! Nos! Nos!