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Goshen360: Frostyzone and Logicboy,

Matthew to John are foundational to the NT, they weren't written when Christ was physically alive. What you have in Matthew to John was fully developed in the epistles and fully revealed. This is not to throw the words of Christ away but what was meant in the words of Christ were revealed in the epistles. This is where the church of God belongs, not the OT. The NT church was revealed on the day of Pentecost.

I showed you from Hebrews that "the death of a testator MUST be proved in order to effect a testament" and Christ is the testator of the NT. So how can Matthew to John be NT when Christ still was physically alive then? All you have to do is bring up scriptures from Acts upward.

New Living Translation (©2007)

That first covenant between God and Israel had regulations for worship and a place of worship here on earth.

Hebrews 9:1

you are on point bro.

The activities of christ while he was on earth was under the law and the law convanant came to an end only at the death of christ that the curtain in the holy of holiest in the temple split in two.

Jesus while a life tried as much as possible not to break the law but use his life to set the ground work for the new covanant that came into effect when he died/shade his blood.

Well done

@Logicboy,
as an alter boy you did not get this detail befor becoming an atheist, besides you were focusing more on mary.

Logicboy03: You are not making any sense bro.

he made a lot of sense.

That was why when christ was a life he did not condemned the law intoto rather he pointed out what was not well done under the law as not to be guilty of breaking the law.

But after his death this old mosaic law cease to be the norms for christians and that is why things like tithing also cease to be of effect to christian and was not commanded for christians since it was of the past.

You should have rather have told Goshen thank you if you are the type that appreciated spiritual things.

advocate666: If he comes here and gives a direct straightforward answer, I will renounce Satan.

hahaha, funny guy.

true2god: Even in dis holiday period u neva stop ur stupidity, i wonda the type of person u r (if u cannot even respect the sanity or sanctity of a season).

I wonder hw u get along in a secular world. U need a paradigm shift bro!

what season?

This demonic, pegan, idolatrouse satan, fraudulent, insultive, disgraceful, unholy, rebellious disgusting, "popepolitic fraud" God forsaken, immoral and satan, celebration cum Chrismas season deserve no mention in a decent christian gathering with respect.

You are finish since you dont know your left from your right.

You belief every thing you hear.
Rubbish!

BARRISTERS: @OLAADEGBU



whats your business with the tread owner? his contributions were not videos and cartoons like yours,it was sanitised! your treads are not sanitised and even my one on one with you if you can remember see the tread that i engaged you;https://www.nairaland.com/870257/worship-one-true-god-not/11
you abandoned the tread here on page 11, since August without explanation! do you answer my question? NOOOOO!

pls stop advertising your treads here! ok! upload more videos and cartoons,insult the bible with your videos and go for builders of your categories;.... chukwudi44.free123.true2God,ihedinobi,Ubenedictus et all...stop inviting people here so as not to derail your tread,ok!

You create a tread since 3 months ago, and you are still on page 7! ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa! that is a shame!

this particular tread was created a month and 8 days after your own, Nov 14, and its now on page 39, more than 5 times encapsulated your so called tread? what a shame!

Anyway,pls stop advertising your treads here! ok! upload more videos and cartoons you are free! we deal with raw facts and not DISTORTED FACTS, olodo!

some bitter truth ^^^

cyrexx: I asked Anony this question on another thread:







to which he replied:




now i replied again: i see what you mean but it is different answer you are giving to my question. If i get you correctly, you seem to imply that no deed can be deemed to really good if there is no form of reward expected. Aight? If that is the case. That is not true selfless morality. That is an advanced form of selfishness. A truly morally good deeds is done for its own sake, for goodness sake, not because of reward or punishment. i.e. "I'm good because i want to be good, not because God will punish me if I'm not good or reward me if i'm good".

And it is non-religious and atheists who can exhibit this kind of moral goodness because they expect no deity to reward them for being good.

Now the crux of my previous question is that the religious people are NOT TRULY GOOD because they are commanded to be morally good. They are just following orders. If not for the reward and punishment, they will be the worst kind of criminal.

But it is those who are not "commanded" to be morally good (not subject to religious codes) but still choose out of their heart to be morally good who are really good.

Do you agree with this?

If not, kindly show the fault of this logic

Roman 2:10-16
10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism. 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law
will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight,
but it is those who obey the law who will be
declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things
required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written
on their hearts, their consciences also bearing
witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing
them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my
gospel declares.



Roman 2:10-16

this though applies befor christ was preach because today every thing hangs on christ.

However:

"15 They show that the requirements of the law are written
on their hearts, "

^^^
that is the way humans are created by nature.
Peace.

Logicboy03: So you have not hear of talking donkeys and snakes in the bible?


Or cures for leprosy based on some odd rituals?

do you really have any argument or you are expressing your limitation?

Ok, can you tell me the driving force/source for your heart workability?

There is a heart pumping right inside your heart,

explain what keeps it running simple.

^^^ this is not a talking donkey and it is not in the spiritual realm but rather very physical and right there in your heart so you can feel it and give me the answer.

Logicboy03:


Are you high on drugs?


Cant make sense of what you are trying to say!

is it that question up there that you dont understand?

Try again.
Peace

Logicboy03: Shameless.


Just shameless. So Satan asks for permission form God to kill Jobs family and God agrees. You see no problem with that?


I will leave you to your delusion

Hmmm!

So this is the good guy?:

"And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face." (Job 2:4-5).
..............

You are a disgrace irrlogicchild.
..............

What is wrong with a father being proud of his son for being obedient?:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause." (Job 2:3).
..............
Beautiful, and i love such an appreciative father.

O yes, less i forget, this is what Yahweh says to me and others that loves him:

"My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me." (Proverbs 27:11).
...............
Phewwwww. Yes dad, i want to.

I love righteousness and will try as humanly Possibly to make your heart glad by being obedient though satan and Adam could not.
Though satan said human will not and he is doing all thing possible to get human to be disobedient.

Though satan said we human will only serve you when you bribe us.

Yes Jesus did make your heart happy by being obedient to the end, a very fine example indeed.

Logicboy03: So you have not hear of talking donkeys and snakes in the bible?


Or cures for leprosy based on some odd rituals?

do you really have any argument or you are expressing your limitation?

Ok, can you tell me the driving force/source for your heart workability?

There is a heart pumping right inside your heart,

explain what keeps it running simple.

^^^ this is not a talking donkey and it is not in the spiritual realm but rather very physical and right there in your heart so you can feel it and give me the answer.

Logicboy03:


Are you high on drugs?


Cant make sense of what you are trying to say!

is it that question up there that you dont understand?

Try again.
Peace

Logicboy03: Why did you omit the preceding verses where

"Satan asked God and God agreed"?
^^^

did you just post that? ^^^

well then, your argument is irrelevant since it was satan's request.

If it was God's requesting him and it was God smitting him i will have understood your argument.
Peace

mazaje: If the bible is very wrong about things that we know and has been shown to be wrong on many of his claims about things that can be verifiable,



.

It really is rather curious that someone or rather some human tend to claim absolutedity in knowing/having knowledge, not even giving room for certain limitation that are obviously inherent in human.

It is only on this backdrop that you see human that ordinarily have limited life span and hence limited learning/knowledge make claim thus:

mazaje: If the bible is very wrong about things that we know and has been shown to be wrong on many of his claims about things that can be verifiable,
.

and as such i am interested since i believe there are things in the bible that i am yet to understand but am still learning.

Considering that you know this much, can you help educate me on those things?


Am waiting to learn please.

wiegraf: What does this mean? It says right they ate a fruit, no?

fruit what?

"dont you know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are to him since you obey obey him? whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16).

Who did Adam and eve obeyed?

Well, who they obeyed, such is his master and his children also.

Logicboy03: Satan asked God and God agreed.


Dont lie.

Either just avoid th story of Job or admit that you're a sadist like Anony

what?

Cant you read? Or your bias is blinding you?

Anyway, that will be your headache.

"So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." (Job 2:7).

Since i can read i dont need your opinion there ^^^ .
Peace

mazaje: I got some of these questions from another board but will like you to answer them.

1. Do you believe that you have a soul that survives death?
2. If you answered yes to #1, where is this soul currently located in the human body? (Be specific)
3. How is this soul affixed to the body while you are alive?
4. By what means does it become disconnected from the body at the point of death?
5. Do animals, insects and unicellular organisims have souls? If no, why not?
6. By what means do we obtain this soul? Why is it not described in any scholarly work regarding the conception of human beings?
7. Where is our soul before we are conceived?Is it created out of "nothing"? What is it created out of? How is the soul distinct from the body?
8. Is the soul different from consciousness?
9. Is there a difference between the soul and the intelligence/character of the human?

For example: if a person sustains severe brain damage that dramatically alters their character or intellect(it happens a lot) completely, does that mean:

a) The soul sustained equal damage to the brain and is changed in exactly the same way?
b) The soul was not damaged, but parts of it are thereafter "locked off" due to the physical damage?

This ones will do for now.

where is the Annony of a guy sef?

edogho: @ atheist D
I know atheists don't believe in God or any goes. And i wouldn't get involved in this line of discussion if you guys should just acknowledge that there is something beyond the physical. I always tell you about mi experiences. I've seen things happen live,mi father even cuts and inserts stuffs inside me and i've seen it work. Buh too much reading seems to be overpowering observation and evidence cos i'm a living witness of it. Just acknowledge that the spiritual is but you have no business with it. That sounds more better than what you are all doing. It will be hard for a real african like me to agree with you. Except he/she grew up in a very unafrican environment.

dont mind him, he is a former catholic turned atheist.

He may not be honest here, but it has to do with what he was thought/what he came to believe to be so, but wrongly and which is not, and as such his lost of faith in the existence to God.

Most of them here in this forum have a common back ground.

edogho: Regrettably,among the things that undermine the belief in God is evil perpetrated in his name. As a result,some have concluded that mankind would be better off without religion. I have been a bible student for 7yrs now and i have seen that most of the doctrines practiced and taught in christianity are far from what the bible teaches. I was liberated from traditionalism to the christianity. In nigeria,clergy men and the politicians wine and dine at the detriment of the nigerian people. Corrupt leaders are close pals with all clergy around the world. Christians and muslims ally together when its obvious that they not allies(something the pharisees did with the saduccees against christ),all at the detriment to the ordinary people. Sometimes i do not blame black men for turning to atheism. The real blame rests on the clergy who have not been faithful to their cause. But let this be a warning to anybody who wants to waste his time with atheism- it will do no good to just rests blames on anyone cos at the end,everybody has their own torture stake to carry. What do you think?

ther are other reasons though, but they all have the clergy/modern theology to blame.

Rich4god: I still dont you how you came to the conclusion that celebrating birthday is worship to spirit/idol. A day that i thank God for bringin me into this world and keeping me safe/alive till date. How is that an idol worship. You just quoted satan above, which means you believe in what satan says after the bible made us to understand that satan is a liar. You see yourself.

yes satan was lying but his followers believes that what he said is true.
So, copying pegan that worship satan and his Demons means you accept what they belief and what they stand for.

If you dont shear that belief with them, then you should break completely free from them and "touch nothing unclean" from them in worship as not to be made unclean by them the bible says.

You should thank God for bringing Jesus into the world every day and not on a pegan day/date.

Zikkyy: You have given me something new to talk about. Please tell me how you determine the date for the commemoration of Christ death. Am interested i no the date did not appear from thin air. By the way what date is this special day? tell us. I hope you will not abandon this question.

Nissan 14 in the Jewish calendar = passover night.

The Jewish day starts in the evening after sun down

Zikkyy: What is used for Christian worship?

1. Chrismas service on sundays.

2. Carol night in the church.

3. Christian involement in Chrismas.

4. Bringing Jesus into the picture of a pegan thing.

Rich4god: Good... We are rejoicing just like the angels did, that our saviour came to redeem us. But then, we tagged it Christmass.

you lie!

Chrismas is celebrating the birthday of christ.

Zikkyy: Depend on how you celebrate it. You no say oyinbo dey spice up their activities, that's why you dey see santa dey run up and down for christmas time, and africans wey like to imitate oyinbo go also dress up like santa too (the reason you have black santa). But my worship and chop-chop no be lie. If to say you visit me that day and sample that special chop-chop you go know say that food no fit be lie

christ has nothing to do with birthdays.

Todaynatoday: Yes, I don't attach much importance to Christmas or birthday celebrations. I just want us to end this thread amicably or else this thread would just be like the angel Michael=Jesus thread, never-ending.

dont worry my friend, as long as the truth is being brought out, honest, persons will see it and learn even if those we are talking "have hearts of stones"

Rich4god: Its obvious that from their response, they never want to learn. WAny time you site an example that butress their point, they ask you to open another thread on that topic. Am not a religion freak... But i hate it when people try to be selective in things that matters about faith.

Good that you are not a religious freaky but you love the freakish Chrismas.

You ant really interested if Yahweh approves of it on he does not. I see.

Well, some of us do care if Yahweh love something or he does not.

Some of us do love Yahweh and as such we care about his feelings and commandment.
Please your self then.

But leave christ out of it please.

[quote author=truthislight]birthday celebration glorify/worship the spirit/demon of the day of ones birth.

It is self worship on the notion that the individual "is a god" as satan hes told eve in eden.

That the day is the day that "you" the god ways born.

Chrismas is just the same thing and they used it in the church today.

That you dont know does not mean that ignorance is an excuse.

It does not mean that Yahweh does not know it origin.

and that is why it is safe to walk on the thin rope of what the bible says as to avoid mistakes like this.

You cannot be eating in the temple of God and the temple of idol the bible says.

Zikkyy: Good talk! and we have done just that. All pagan practices have been dropped. What we do now is ensure we don't practice anything that is against the commandment to Love God and neighbor. We are so in love with God we decided to celebrate the coming of Christ by dedicating a special day for some extra special 'spiritual sessions' and subsequent jollification it's not that we don't do it everyday, it just that you can't have a public holiday on a daily basis, so the merry-ment on that special day is truely...... 'special' and we so loooove our neighbors we decided to give gifts as well so what wrong with that? tell me

you already know what is wrong there by now my friend.

Chop chop guy.
Me i chop every day so i dont need to chop a special choping on a pegan day.
Peace

Zikkyy: The bolded and the bit in red was the attraction. God has no birth date and God cannot die as well. It goes together. If i cannot celebrate God's birthday because he does not have one, i cannot commemorate his death because he no dey die. abi? anyways make i leave matter.



Not my fault, you guys keep coming up with something new for me to respond to.

this are the errors of Chrismas and trinitarians.

Yahweh is the almighty God and not Jesus christ:

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).

But Jesus also bears the title God also but might God:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,

"The mighty God",

The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).

Dont be deceived.

Rich4god: Good... and i still dont know how birthday party is used for worship. Plz tell me.

birthday celebration glorify/worship the spirit/demon of the day of ones birth.

It is self worship on the notion that the individual "is a god" as satan hes told eve in eden.

That the day is the day that "you" the god ways born.

Chrismas is just the same thing and they used it in the church today.

That you dont know does not mean that ignorance is an excuse.

It does not mean that Yahweh does not know it origin.

and that is why it is safe to walk on the thin rope of what the bible says as to avoid mistakes like this.

You cannot be eating in the temple of God and the temple of idol the bible says.

Rich4god: Good. It is right to commemorate the last supper abi? Then you are no different form us because on the day you are commemoratin it, am sure there is a spirit/idol that is related to that particular day. So you just proved yourself to be an idol worshipper just like you said we are.

Jesus commanded it no offence please.

Were did Jesus command you to celebrate chrismas.

Dont be a worker of "lawlessness"

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you workers of lawlessness" (Matthew 7:23)

Zikkyy: The bolded and the bit in red was the attraction. God has no birth date and God cannot die as well. It goes together. If i cannot celebrate God's birthday because he does not have one, i cannot commemorate his death because he no dey die. abi? anyways make i leave matter.



Not my fault, you guys keep coming up with something new for me to respond to.

this are the errors of Chrismas and trinitarians.

Yahweh is the almighty God and not Jesus christ:

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).

But Jesus also bears the title God also but might God:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,

"The mighty God",

The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).

Dont be deceived.

Rich4god: From what you just said above, i can relate it to the fact that i am wearing a shoe and you just standby and be shouting that i should remove my show cos its painful to me were as you are not the one wearing it but me. I still dont see how my birthday relate to that of a spirit/idol, neither do i go to any shrine to make sacrifice to any gods.

if you use it in the worship of Yahweh or the praise of his son Jesus christ then you have miss fired.

We are here doing all this talking because it is use for christian worship. QED

Rich4god: Common... Stop reasoning like this. Must the bible mention everthing. After i graduated from the university. Me and my close friends went for a thanksgiving service after which we heard a get together at my place in school just to celebrate our five years stay in school From your judgement, we are now idol worshippers cos no where in the bible did the early christians celebrate graduation party. So if i may ask, which spirit is attributed to graduation party.

so, is graduation party pegan and is it used for worship?

If no. Then you are missing the point here.
Peace

Zikkyy: The person celebrating his birthday, did he tell you he copied the principles underlying the birthday? Don't assume.



You mentioned something important here; the reasons behind the celebration. For every action there is a motive and you have shown here that motive is very important. Without motive, that very act is useless. Without those underlying reasons you stated up there, the celebration for the pagan is meaningless. it is the motive that makes the birthday, it is the reasons above that makes the birthday pagan, it is not the birthday itself. So for the Christian celebrating his birthday today what is his/her intention? it is that intention that makes the celebration, you cannot take it away.



If pagans name the days after spirit entities, what is that to you?

though we are gentiles, we are expected to abandon the practices we had that are pegan and involve pegan worship on becoming a christian.

That you are still carrying your bags and baggages along into the "christian church" puts you at risks.

The bible said we are to abandon the secondhanded things of the world on becoming a christian.

Are the directive of how to worship Yahweh not enough for you as recorded in the bible?

Why not work on only his provisions as not to risk error and his wrath?

The christian way is called the "narrow way"

why do you think it is called ^^^ the narrow way?

Do you think it is the narrow way for fancy? No.

It is narrow because "trailers"(Chrismas and other and any how form of worship is not allowed)

you have miss the narrow gate because you are driving a "trailer" and the gate is too small for you.

Drop your extra extra baggages.
Peace.

honeric01: @Zikky

Stop looking for excuse man, if you believe my interpretation is different from what you wrote, then let us have your own interpretation to a clear statement you made. haba! your comment was clear as daylight and the buildup to that statement was also posted here, so what kinda "not for you statement" are you trying to make bro? the buildups to that comment of yours are on the thread and i read them, so what are you saying?

Even the person that you were talking to attested to that and even quoted your post who tallied with my response.

the dude is as slippery as trinitarians on this chop chop thing.