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musKeeto: Romans 8:
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

honeychild: You did not understand my illustration. The knife here signifies free will. Everyone decides how he wants to live his life. You cannot blame God if your neighbour decides to use his in a way that is detrimental to you.

musKeeto: Doesn't free will negate predestination?

honeychild: In every single instance in Scripture where God has brought about a punishment upon a people he always gave an opportunity for a warning to be sounded. Read the Bible it's there.



When God was talking to Abraham they were discussing God's plan to destroy a particular city. Abraham was concerned about his nephew Lot who was living there. He pleaded with God and God promised Him he would spare Sodom if he could find five righteous people there. When the angels got to Sodom, they told Lot to go into the city and see if some people would believe Lot and escape with him....no one did.

In summary the destruction of Sodom was not a natural disaster. God was bringing judgement upon a wicked people after making provision for those who trust Him to escape. God does not cause natural disasters. They are accidents that occur in a world that has chosen independence from God.

wiegraf: Omnipotent and omniscient as he is, thereby being aware of what was predestined, he lets all this happen. And apparently claims he's washed his hands off them. He then he proceeds to flood their descendents. Seems to me like satan was only pointing out to them that their creator was insane

wiegraf: I just want you to note, I don't recall any talking snake encouraging me to eat any fruits. What sort of petty, vengeful creature would condemn a race of beings he created himself for eating....fruits? Whatever that is supposed to metaphorically mean, ie, if you want to pull a buzugee. I thought they were supposed to be good for you and nutritious. Or was he saving it for himself and that just happened to be the only tree availabele? Add onto that that the god is also supposedly omnipotent and omniscient.

Lol

honeychild: He is God because He created the earth and all that is in it. Unlike a lot of Christians here, I do not believe God has promised that he will protect his worshippers completely from every misfortune.

Early in man's history, God was accused of employing bribery to get Humans to worship him.

Satan: Does Job fear God for nothing? You have blessed him and protected him......threaten a man's life and see if he will not curse You to Your face. - Job chapter 1 & 2.

So to put that accusation to rest God will not protect his Servants from calamity. They have to go through what every other person goes through.

1Corinthians 10: 13-15:
No temptation ( or test ) has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tried beyond what you can bear. But when you are tested he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

So what God promises his worshippers is the FORTITUDE to endure tragedy... not protection from all tragedy.

honeychild: Briefly:
1. God created humans with a special gift called 'free-will.' Humans have been utilizing this gift in making choices ever since our first parents decided they wanted independence from Him.

2. When Humans choose to use their free will to do evil God does not stop them. It would not truly be 'free will' if he stops us each time we want to do something he does not agree with.


3. Sometimes a person misuses his free will and others get hurt. Sometimes it is just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ecclesiastes 9:11 - The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance befall them all.

Humans have chosen a path of independence from God. We can't turn around and blame Him when we reap the fruitage.

Martian: Luke 13: 1-5
Repent or Perish
13 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

This Anony guy is an i.mbecile and Logicboy gives him too much attention.
More threats from his sky fairy about how everyone will die because the talking snake convinced the rib woman to eat that fruit..................so everyone is a sinner and everyone will die and mad men will shoot little kids to death because it's all in the plan of the yahweh and if you don't believe you will perish.
Two geniuses called Olaadegbu and Mr.Anony reiterate this all the time, so we should all kowtow to their concept of god.

Todaynatoday: ^^^^ If you start with in Jesus Name, you will still be praying through Jesus. He said ask the Father anything in my name. So you can still say, "in Jesus' name i come to you Father in heaven" If there was a procedure to strictly follow, then why are people still getting answers to their prayers and why do you end it with "Jesus" name and not "Yeshua" name and still get answers? All that matters is to have faith and to believe that your prayer(s) has been heard.

advocate666: But where is Jesoul? See your opprtunity lady. All these years you have been praying and fasting and binding would be husbands and at last your salvation is here.
Show thyself!

Delafruita: the lord isnt one to crack jokes.

Yooguyz: am not going to answer the question because it was designed to insult the power and work of the holy ghost! I wont give you that opportunity! But however i have a word of knowledge for you, like i said earlier God wants to fix something in your life.are you ready to recieve it?

Todaynatoday: ^^^^^ ummm...... Does it really matter how you start the prayer so far in your heart you know who you are referring to. Sometimes I start with In Jesus' Name, sometimes O LORD! and more recently my Father in heaven. But does it really matter how the prayer is started so far I get answers to my prayer. I think faith is what really matters.

Yooguyz: if you want to label me anything be free to do it.back then in my university days i was labeled occultic, i was evened stoned in a class i went to preach! So scanting comments cant reach me am far bigger than that! What i feel for you my friend is love! The love that surpass all human understanding! The love whose blood was shed for you in calvary! Oh how i love talking about him! I sense in my spirit that God wants to fix somethings in your life! God bless you

Todaynatoday: ^^^ If the truth will not change then we shouldn't be afraid to pray right? I know about all those verses and if you read the thread from the beginning you will see that I'm with you on this. My point is, why do we see it this way and trinitarians see it differently? Since we all have the Holy Spirit, we should all have the same answers. The Holy Spirit cannot be confusing us all.

ijawkid: Same question I've been asking that anony keeps running from,claiming that running errands for someone doesn't mean being subordinate to that person.........

According to anony who said Jesus was playing a role momentarily(while on earth) as Gods servant and subject,he forgot to read the same bOok of revelation where Jesus in the heaven still refers to the Father as his GOD and also at 1 corinthians 15:27-28 where Jesus is made subject to the Father for all eternity.......

1 corinthians 11:3 although being evaded by anony and his crew shows that in the heavens Jesus is a subject to the Father...

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1 corinthians 11:3

##GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
However, I want you to realize that Christ has
authority over every man, a husband has
authority over his wife, and God has authority
over Christ.

##..
New International Version (©1984)
Now I want you to realize that the head of
every man is Christ, and the head of the
woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.


##New Living Translation (©2007)
But there is one thing I want you to know: The
head of every man is Christ, the head of
woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
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If after reading this scriptures someone still comes out to say Jesus is equal to his GOD or not a subject of his GOD(for all eternity) then I'll have to assume such person to be a drunkard.....smh!!!!!!

obadiah777: YOU HAVE BECOME A PROFESSIONAL GAINSAYER AND SCOFFER. CLAP FOR YOURSELF

Yooguyz: i saw in a vision, a pregnant woman kneeling beside a man begging him but the man kept shoving her away yelling "the child is not mine, go and look for the father"! That that instant i sensed in my spirit that the man was his dad and the woman was his mom,he was born outside wedlock and that till this day his dad didnt accept him..you needed to see the way he opened his mouth wide in awe..he said it was true and then narrated the full ordeal to me. I told him that if he would believe, we would pray that his dad would accept him and treat his mom with respect and then he agreed(off course he had no choice)..5 days later he called me and excitedly told me that his dad came over to their home with his wife and some relatives and apologized to him and his mom and that he'll take responsibily 4 both of them financially...we eventualy met and discussed....(the rest details you already know) as a matter of fact the mom just ushering department in our church.

truthislight: "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,

"the firstborn from the dead"

that in all things he might the first in all things ." (Colossians 1:18).
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Get the sense in which christ is the first there ^^^




this was a reference to Yahweh.

By this time the man Jesus has not been manifested on earth and was unknown to the Jews.

Stop missing up scriptures.