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ijawkid: Because he commanded it....isn't that a perfect answer??....wait for the commander whom you call you God to give the go-ahead rather than act presumptuously....................besides I'm not hiding under anything.......first of the catholics made Jesus almighty God, and also chose to celebrate his birthday just as the pagans do by stealing from the same pagans dec 25th along with its customs..........are you seeing the similarity??.........its all paganism bro.......only pagans celebrated the birthdays of there gods...........and now professed christians are doing the same.........its all a fraud bro.........

is it not silly and funny!

Trinitarians wrongly say that Jesus has no beginning but went ahead to celebrate his birth day?

What a confuse set of people that will always have an excessive explanation to do in an otherwise simple message of salvation of the bible that God used fishermen to accomplished.

But today, they must used PHD holders or philosophers to be able to twist what the bible says.

It is really a pity for y'all chop chop Chrismas dude and trinitarians.

Zikkyy: Don't hide under the umbrella of command. You questioned the logic of celebrating the birth of a God (the Almighty himself), so am asking a similar question; why is it possible to commemorate the sacrifice?

who is the almighty?

Jesus or Yahweh?

You are blinded my friend.

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).
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Sorry my friend, you are lost here.

"You celebrate the birth of the almighty God!"

you are still a trinitarian that avoid trinity thread so that you dont abandon trinity and also Chrismas rice.

Chop chop guy.

Red stew was a problem to esau, you better watched your self befor red stew land you in problem.

true2god: Its all about selectiv judgement. Condemn wat u hate and propagate wat u like. I raised the issue of olympics and non had been able to clarify dat. If the greece honoured their god, Zeus, with a sporting event y dnt papville and co condemn the present olympic event as an idol worship since it has it root in idolatory which can be proven by contemporary history, and even the present olympic signs and holograms.

Is present day olympic an idol worship (mr truthislight)?

the olympic events are not use for the worship of Yahweh today as such your question is even irrelevant.

But Chrismas is use for worship.

Rich4god: Yes... We all know that you are not the one that conjure it. But how are the spirit worshipped on ones birthday celebration.

wiki is your friend, do your research befor you copy pegan in the future.

Rich4god: Truthlyt and co... I need a verse or chapter in the bible where it written that it is a pagan practice to celebrate birthday.

childs play!

Were you not reading the thread and your bible that it is only pegans that celebrate birthdays in the bible?

Rich4god: Yous guys are partial in your jugdement. Somebody raised the issue of wedding gown and wedding ring etc and what you (truthlight and co) just said is that its not used for worship. Now tell me, how is my birthday used for worship since you guys termed it as pagan practice.

birth day is based on the premise of self worship, that you are a god just as satan has told eve in eden.

You glorify the spirit in whose day you were born.

This^^^ makes you an idolater.

Rich4god: I don taya for all of una... @Truthslight, how do celebrating my own birthday makes me an idol worshipper?

birthday celebration in addition to being an event that true worshpers of Yahweh never participated is an event that is celebrated,

it is done against this back drop:

1. That humans are gods.
2. Celebrating the spirit/demon that the day of once birth is named after as to arouse blessing from such a spirit.
Etc, etc.

That you copy from them without knowing the reasons behind the celebration is double folly for you.

I hope you know that days are named after spirit entities?

true2god: Do u participate in an olympic event or follow the olympic movement? Your response will determine my next respose.

do you just watched when Chrismas is being done or you are an actor in it?

So, how do you equate your action to watching?
Lie!

true2god: Do u watch or participate in the olympics? Just to start with dat.

do i use the olympic event in my worship? No.

Does the bible say physical exercise is a sin? No.

Am i a live participant? No

if your offence was watching those celebrating Chrismas/birthday we will not be here talking my friend.

I have freedom to watch sports that are not violent.

I have freedom to watch my tv program as long as it is not immoral.

If you wish to equate the watching of olympic to participting in idolatory then you are not making sense at all.

Why not limit your involvement to just watching those doing Chrismas and see if any one will condemn you? No, you will not be condemn for watching your tv.

Your questions does not show reasonableness at all since just watching was never an offence.

Apostle paul use an analogy of the sport of athens while giving the example of those participating in a game to endure to the end.

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Zikkyy: Which spirit is in charge of that day self? You don dey conjure strange theories here o! How do you worship? Is it by cooking and chopulating special birthday rice & chicken?

as if i am the one that conjure zodiac signs, "soul mate" "stars"

shined your eyes my friend.

Zikkyy: Lol! You are looking forward to the last day abi am sure you Will looking out for zikkyy to see him receiving his punishment for celebrating Xmas. You go develop cardiac arrest that day when you see the Lord rewarding zikkyy for doing the right thing

i really wish that ^^ will be true, you are my friend you know

plendil: I'm still struggling to understand the purpose of this thread.

For a start, I don't think any right thinking Christian will be under any illusion that the date used for Christmas was not originally a pagan festival. That has been proven beyond doubt. what I have issues with is using that as the reason for discouraging Christmas.

I asked OP where in the Bible it is said that celebrating birthdays is a sin, the best you could come up with is the fact that all those that did it were pagans?

I would have thought that the nature of the celebration and not the celebration itself would make the practice sinful.

birth day celebration glorifies the spirit incharge of the day one was born.

Think well befor you copy.

Zikkyy: You no get work na. Thats why you have 365days of the year to do nanny work. Some of us are very busy you know. That's why we don't joke with any extra days we can get to spend quality time with peeps we love.

childs play in deed.

From your post so far on this thread that should be obvious.

plappville: When i asked my pastor where it was writen that christian should celebrate Xmas, He said, there is no scripture but we are doing it for Christ.
Then i asked Him, what does Christ mean when He warns against men traditions? He was short of words because He knew that verse directly is warning against these kind of feasts.

The last sunday service was....Christians has to cooperate, we should unite in things that has to do with Christ. blablabla....
I follow the truth, if His msg speaks underwise, Sorry, i don't accept it......We are never alone when listening/studing the word of God.

well, its like human wants to force their creator Yahweh to accept whatever they want.

But that will be impossible since he can destroy the whole human race and create another.

He once told moses that he should destroy the whole nation of israel in the wilderness and raise moses children to serve him.

Btw. You that stick to that pastor to pray for you and all, do you think that Yahweh accepts his prayers?
if you feel you should stay with him.

Zikkyy: Don't forget to add the wedding gown, its pagan.bridal train nko? all join you better check that your wedding very well. It was pagan. If na traditional wedding yo do, then your case is worse.p

which of this aspects you have mention involves worshiped?

Grow up guy.

Zikkyy: Picking a date that coincide with a day for pagan feast does not make my action pagan. I could choose another date and it Will probably coincides with sango feast day.

pick another day for what exactly?

Worship the spirit incharge of that day in the form of "birth day" celebrations?

You think the pegan were fools? No.

They did every thing to please theirgods = Demons.

Zikkyy: Well, am still alive. Meaning you are very wrong

well then, continue with your celebration and lets see what happens at the last day. We shall see.

Zikkyy: You have not been able to show am acting outside of the law of God. You guys keeping dancing round the issue without actually touching it.

solid food belongs to nature people.
I cannot continue to spoon fed you all the time on this issue.

The bible says we should "use are power of reasoning.

Use ^^^ it, it will serve you well.

Life eternal is involved here and please dont throw it away because of "red stew

Rich4god: All this things you are just saying is just assumpton. As long as i am concerned, i didnt see where the scripture said we should not celebrate xmas/ or that celebrating is a sin. I let me tell you. That pagans used or did something in the past does not make me a sinner when i do it. Soif you think its a sin, good for you and refrain from it cos its what you believe.

Yahweh sets his form of worship and not you.

As long as "you are concern" you are on your own.

Will the gods bend to suite humans or humans are to bend to please the gods?

Think my friend think!

Rich4god: Good... Did the xmas celebrant engage in making sacrifice to idols?.... Did they go to church and start singing "we hail the sun our god"?... Did they visit any shrine to worship any idol? Or the gift in which they pass out to their loved ones and the less privilege, was it given to them bhy the priest of a shrine?... Plz answer me.

you cannot mixed Yahweh's worship with pegan practices my friend.

Once you do that Yahweh will abandon your form of worship.

Why should you take such a risk if you truly love Yahweh?

If you truly love Yahweh, should you take chances with his form of worship?

Are you so selfish that you think that Yahweh will bend to your whims and caprices?

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom"

ijawkid: I don't watch the highlight with passion.......and I won't engage in the olympics because I know its origin.....you err big time if you think I would even think of going for an olympics even if I had the opportunity....like I said earlier your questions don't apply to me..........and again the athletes who engage in the olympics should use the scriptures to answer if they are pagans for engaging in the games..........

we are to give caesers things to caesers and God's things to God.

Yahweh has specified how we are to worship him in the bible, it is not our place to add to that.

Rich4god: From the response you gave to zikky, your answer to my question is yes... i am an idol worsipper.
No, there are some sundays that i repeat such things that i mention in my question to you. Does doing that on a normal sunday makes me an idol worshipper?

why should doing good in any other day be a bad thing?

We are talking about reserving a pegan day to do charity and good dis when you are supposed to be christ like every day of your life.

Dont be a fake christian my friend.

Let your "goodness be obvious to all men so that they will give praise to your father who is in heaven"

stop being a baby christian.

true2god: U be otondo for watching 'only' the highlight. So all the athletes that participated in the olympic are all worshiping idol cos of the origin of the olympic? If u dey watch the 'highlight' with passion and interest r u not a participant? I am sure u may even participate in the next olympic if u given the opportunity or sent as a delegate to rio dejaniero 2016.

Wont u go if u hav the oportunity?

what has all this talk has to do with worship?

Are you guys so empty?

Dont you have value for spiritual things?

We are talking about mixing Yahweh's worship with pegan activities you are talking about olympics?

Birth day has to do with worship of a demon of the day of ones birth and all the days are named after pegan gods.

How can you please Yahweh with this sort of shallow knowledge of him?

You guys are like esau that did not show value/appreciate spiritual things.

Yahweh said dont mixed my worship with that of demon but that is what you are doing and bent on down.

Yahweh says dont have any thing to do with Demons but that is what you are doing with birth day celebrations.

Cant you see the danger that you are in or you have been so blinded?

Well, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Rich4god: You are a copper, so why dont you tell your PPA/LG to place you on duty on 25th since you are not part of the pagan celebration.

this is childish talk my friend.

Zikkyy: According to ijawkid, you are a pagan for eating the food you cooked, you are a pagan for visiting friends and bonding with your loved one. You are a pagan for being happy that Christ was born.

so, minus Chrismas day you dont "bond" with your loved once abi?

You are a bad person for saying that.

So, you wait for a whole 364days to bond with your love ones? Smh for you.

I bond with my love once every now and then.

Rich4god: I did that because of xmas. Does that makes me a pagan?

Yahweh does not shear/miss his worship with pegan activities.

true2god: U didnt watch the olympic u only saw clips or highlights on cnn and supersports. The highlight u watched on supersports is not an olympic event abi. I bet u, the highlight u watched on supersports can take 3 to 4 hrs of ur time. so dnt be econimical with the truth, u watched and followed the olympic events to the fullest and i knw u knw osain bolt of jamaica and u watched him run.

Did osain bolt or any other athlete worship any idol at the olympics. Of course we knw the history of the event in greece but this modern era has given the event another meaning devoid of its pagan origin.

While im not an advocate of subtutitive religion, the fact remains dat the pagan origin of the olympics has long lost its significance. The pagan origin of sundays had lost its significance, the pagan origin of xmas had lost its significance, the pagan origin of exchangin wedding rings had lost its significant. No one is offerin a sacrifice to any idol in any of these events. Its rather a time of joy and celebration.

I dnt knw if u r gerring my points. I can have a 1000 and 1 reasons to condemn anything i dnt like. There is always a point to justify an action while might seem logical to an average person. Thats the power of human reasoning.

are the sited events/items use for worship? No.

So, you completely miss it.

Next time get the sense of what is at stake.

Birthday is a pegan event that celebrate/worship the spirit in charge of the day of one being born.

Worship is what Yahweh does not take for granted and Yahweh does not shear his worship.

Infact, Yahweh is a jealous God. QED

true2god: The igbo calender system is different frm the gregorian calender system. The igbos has four market days in a week: orie, afor, eke, and nkwo. The seventh week is reserved for culturral festival (28 day cycle make 1 month). If an igbo church decides to hold her monthly program evry 28 days will dat be tantamount to idol worship cos the native pple equally place significance on dat day?

Sunday is not just anoda day in xtainity, it is a day they revered just as the muslims revered friday. Meanwhile sunday is a date equally reverd by the greeko-roman empire as a day reserve for serving their god.

Maybe there is no funfares evry sunday, unlike xmas. Wen i went to onitsha some yrs back sundays are celebrated. As i said earlier, Dec 25 nevertheless can not be said to be the day christ was born. But if a date is set aside, officially to mark the birth of a great personality, ther is norring wrong with dat.

If we want to 'paganize' all events\days i bet u, u may not even hav a meaningful life to live. Our present calender system is a product of astrology\astronomy yet the whole world never seen anythin wrong with it (remeber the bible condemn astrology).

Our wedding ring is a product of hinduism and yet all churches practised it. The olympics is dedicated to greek god Zeus and yet all human race and religion participate and follow the olympic events.

The issue is dat its not a crime to condemn an event. If u want to condenm a practice or event u need to condemn it in its entirety and any associated event. If u say its not good for a xtain to celebrate xmas, u should also say its not good for a xtain to participate in the olympics, it is not good for a xtain to use wedding ring, its not good for xtain to worship on sunday and giv any sanctity to it. It is not good for a xtain to use the present calender system (its a product of astrology)

it is only biase if u condemn xmas and practice the rest, dats tantamount to hypocricy.

list out the pegan event that play apart in christian worship and you will know why they are bad.

But if they have no part in christian worship then God will not have a problem with it.

And that it has nothing to do with Yahweh and his son.

ijawkid: NO.....only saw highlights on CNN and supersports..............the olympics ofcus is pagan............I don answer ya question.........

we dont worship olympic or olympic activities.

Chrismas form part of "christiandom" worship in the christian calendar.

There is the christmas carol.

The sunday Chrismas service. Etc

alexleo: And the truth is that am celebrating Christ. Pagans dont and can never celebrate Christ

pegan celebrate birthdays and you like them also celebrate birthdays.

No true servant of Yahweh ever celebrated birthdays.

You and pegan are the same.

You are part of them.

Zikkyy: Hahaha I no fit shout. See as you dey fight as if the ownership of your makeup kit depend on this discussion

do you worship via make-up?

I will not be surprise you do since you use any pegan things you see/hear for worship.

alexleo: You are just dancing around my sister because this one of perming favours you. You explaination here only shows you are being selective in your following the bible. You asked the guy where God said you shouldnt perm and i asked you were God said you should perm you started dancing around. Did the apostles wives perm their hair? Where the issue of hair was mentioned in the new testament did they ask you to perm it? You said we should follow the apostles , that since they didnt celebrate the birth of Christ we shuldnt. why are you deviating in this one? You cant tell me that soap or cream that changes natural texture of your hair or skin are the same with the ones that dont. Employing that word cosmetics to answer the question i asked is only a desperate atempt to cover up. I can show you thousands of ladies whose hair sre still natural and neat. So dont talk as if without perming your hair goes wild. Again the quotation you provided for birthday does not mean we shouldnt celebratr birthday. Zikky asked you a question here and i repeat- why did God not stop his prophets from sacrificing to him when he knew the prophets of baal sacrificed same way?

which of what you have listed forms apart of christians worship?

If none stop the distraction.

Worship is a serious matter.