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Image123: @zikky

You've asked more than one question, even if i answered this one, you'd ask three more. i'm not under a debt to answer your every question. i'm answering your questions in order of relevance to the points being discussed, so that you see the real issues instead of gallivanting around aimlessly. BTW, the goal of the law, which is love, is achieved by anyone who adheres to it. Love has not passed away.1Corinth 13.


i retain that they should be. if you agree to tithes and offerings, fine, very fine. Pastors are maintained with tithes and offerings today. there are different types of offerings. If you feel like giving your own pastor food, crops and animals, go ahead. they'll do with it, what they know is best. your own na to bring the animal. A giver like you, i expect cow, goats, fat chicken and turkey aplenty. It's very good and welcome.

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

CEV

1Co 9:13 Don't you know that people who work in the temple make their living from what is brought to the temple? Don't you know that a person who serves at the altar is given part of what is offered?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.



You are proving lazy and dishonest. i don't do online dictionaries and thesaurus as i have one. But i'll oblige you with the microsoft on my system. Merriem Webster is also similar.


in·come [ín kùm]
(plural in·comes)
noun
1. money received over period: the amount of money received over a period of time either as payment for work, goods, or services, or as profit on capital
2. inflow: an act of coming in or flowing in

Thesaurus: profits, proceeds, returns, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary, take-home pay, takings
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



har·vest [hrvəst]
noun (plural har·vests)
1. quantity of crop: the quantity of a crop that is gathered or ripens during a season

Thesaurus: crop, yield, produce, return, fruitage, ingathering
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

yield [yeeld]
verb (past and past participle yield·ed, present participle yield·ing, 3rd person present singular yields)
1. transitive verb produce something: to produce something naturally or as a result of cultivation

Thesaurus: harvest, crop, produce, vintage, profit, earnings, INCOME, revenue, return

Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Neither were they fasting or praying to God.


Wrong, Acts 15 provides details of the aspect of the law of Moses they were required to comply with. Fortunately for us, the laws of God are not limited to the law of Moses. Tithing was BEFORE Moses' grandfather!


The bolded is right and is what i've been saying for about 12pages, except you mistakenly wrote this.


You make it sound so cool, establishing, declared, defined, mandated, bla bla. All na grammar. Every Bible student knows when God was specific and detailed in the law. Compare the issues of making the tabernacle, or of cleansing, or of sacrifices, with what you're saying of tithes. There is no such detail and definition given. It simply states that the tithe is holy to God.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

It's not limiting it or defining it or establishing it. The focus is that tithes belong to God. In other places, it mentioned of some tithe that belong to widows and levites. Take the scriptures cumulatively not in some regimented isolation nobody demanded of you.


selective reading yet again. paul never gave a reason for not collecting tithes or for collecting tithes. i thought you loved to argue that Paul did not talk about tithes? suddenly you know the reason why Paul did not collect what he did not talk about? i didn't say tithe is any key to wealth, dunno why you're devilishly trying to push that on me. Paul didn't 'burden' people but could have. He had the power to, it was his personal decision as shown here.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Co 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.


On the basis that they were mindful of the words of the holy prophets. Words like Malachi 3 and co.
The gentiles gave more than 10%. they didn't need to be taught giving. Many of them gave their all. The early christians were serious and practical. Today, we have little of their type left, people need to be taught to give. You don't teach alphabets to an O'levels student. Why should they be taught on 10% when they had given their all and were ready to give their eyes? Its unlike many of the wishy washy folks today, who are still asking if it is reading the Bible is necessary or not.

seriallink: ^^^ @Inurmind

I clearly said the verses I quoted are future prophecies! How is that blasphemy to you? God knew man would fall, out of his free will which was why He had a back up plan of saving us by giving us what we lost back in Eden during Christ's 1000 yrs reign on Earth!

Giving my opinion doesn't make me infallible but at least the verses I quoted gave a list of what Adam & Eve lost back in Eden and how God promised giving us back everything we lost when the New Kingdom is established on Earth (That would be during Christ's 1000 yrs reign on Earth- read Revelation 20:4-7 and Zechariah14:8-9).

You ever wonder why Jesus is coming to reign on Earth for a thousand years while Satan would be held in prison? That's because God had promised giving us what we lost back in Eden (Isaiah 65 :17-23). The period of Jesus' reign would be peaceful and righteous (without sin), and all that we lost in Eden would be restored as prophesied in Isaiah 65 :17-23.

The prophecy in Isaiah 65:20 &v22 however, doesn't suggest that there wouldn't be death during Christ's reign on Earth but rather suggests that there would be a leadership of righteousness and other good things that were mentioned in Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant,
and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

From the above explanation, you'll agree with me that Christ's reign period would be perfect, peaceful and same as Eden was before man sinned! Which means that even if man hadn't sin back in Eden, there would be death but in an old age as started in the Isaiah 65:20 & 22 quoted above.

Iron sharpens Iron! Share, if you have a better understanding!

seriallink: This is what will happen when the new earth is established (A paradise - just the way the garden of Eden was before Adam and Eve were kicked out).

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Isaiah 65 :17 [b]For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.[/b]

The underlined, even though it is a future prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled still give us an idea of what man was supposed to enjoy if he hadn't sinned. So, this clearly shows that if the first man hadn't sinned, there would still be physical death before resurrection to eternal life (In our new form or bodies - Philippians 3:21 and not flesh).

seriallink: Isaiah65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

inurmind: @Serialink
^^^
So u are saying adam was meant to die anyway before?
Which verse in the bible did u get that one from?

seriallink: Man wasn't created to live forever but to live old enough before dying (Kind of like the age Methuselah).

ROSSIKE: African religions and philosophical concepts have long held the snake in the highest regard. The snake symbolizes knowledge and empowerment. The ancient Sumerians, whose Gilgamesh texts were plagiarised by Genesis writers, represented the snake as ENKI, creator of mankind through genetic splicing. ENLIL is 'Yahweh', his brother, who was angry that ENKI wanted humans to have real knowledge and powers that would make them no longer slaves of ENLIL (Yahweh). Make them truly independent (to be ''as the gods''). African religions, from the days of Egypt till date are ENKIAN religions. ENLILEAN religions are christianity, islam, judaism. They profess piety, but are historically brutal and bloodthirsty in their evangelization drives, and promise hellfire for non-converts to their ENLILIAN faiths.

The bible is little more than an ENLILIAN DOCUMENT, written by Enlil's followers, and heavily biased towards ENLIL, painting ENKI as ''satan the devil'', when in fact ENKI is the TRUE FRIEND OF MANKIND. Meanwhile in the bible, 99.9% of death is caused by ENLIL, most of them genocides by ENLIL's followers of those who professed to ENKIAN faiths.

ROSSIKE: The bible is little more than an ENLILIAN DOCUMENT, written by Enlil's followers, and heavily biased towards ENLIL, painting ENKI as ''satan the devil'',

plaetton: Most wars and conflicts that we see in the bible were indirectly as a results of these rivalries amongst the Elohim(satan and Yahweh)

Boomark: "For to which of the angels did
God ever say, "You are my Son;
today I have become your
Father"? Or again, "I will be his
Father, and he will be my Son"?" -
Hebrews 1:5

Boomark: "For to which of the angels did
God ever say, "You are my Son;
today I have become your
Father"? Or again, "I will be his
Father, and he will be my Son"?" -
Hebrews 1:5

Image123: @zikky

You've asked more than one question, even if i answered this one, you'd ask three more. i'm not under a debt to answer your every question. i'm answering your questions in order of relevance to the points being discussed, so that you see the real issues instead of gallivanting around aimlessly. BTW, the goal of the law, which is love, is achieved by anyone who adheres to it. Love has not passed away.1Corinth 13.


i retain that they should be. if you agree to tithes and offerings, fine, very fine. Pastors are maintained with tithes and offerings today. there are different types of offerings. If you feel like giving your own pastor food, crops and animals, go ahead. they'll do with it, what they know is best. your own na to bring the animal. A giver like you, i expect cow, goats, fat chicken and turkey aplenty. It's very good and welcome.

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

CEV

1Co 9:13 Don't you know that people who work in the temple make their living from what is brought to the temple? Don't you know that a person who serves at the altar is given part of what is offered?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.



You are proving lazy and dishonest. i don't do online dictionaries and thesaurus as i have one. But i'll oblige you with the microsoft on my system. Merriem Webster is also similar.


in·come [ín kùm]
(plural in·comes)
noun
1. money received over period: the amount of money received over a period of time either as payment for work, goods, or services, or as profit on capital
2. inflow: an act of coming in or flowing in

Thesaurus: profits, proceeds, returns, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary, take-home pay, takings
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



har·vest [hrvəst]
noun (plural har·vests)
1. quantity of crop: the quantity of a crop that is gathered or ripens during a season

Thesaurus: crop, yield, produce, return, fruitage, ingathering
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

yield [yeeld]
verb (past and past participle yield·ed, present participle yield·ing, 3rd person present singular yields)
1. transitive verb produce something: to produce something naturally or as a result of cultivation

Thesaurus: harvest, crop, produce, vintage, profit, earnings, INCOME, revenue, return

Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Neither were they fasting or praying to God.


Wrong, Acts 15 provides details of the aspect of the law of Moses they were required to comply with. Fortunately for us, the laws of God are not limited to the law of Moses. Tithing was BEFORE Moses' grandfather!


The bolded is right and is what i've been saying for about 12pages, except you mistakenly wrote this.


You make it sound so cool, establishing, declared, defined, mandated, bla bla. All na grammar. Every Bible student knows when God was specific and detailed in the law. Compare the issues of making the tabernacle, or of cleansing, or of sacrifices, with what you're saying of tithes. There is no such detail and definition given. It simply states that the tithe is holy to God.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

It's not limiting it or defining it or establishing it. The focus is that tithes belong to God. In other places, it mentioned of some tithe that belong to widows and levites. Take the scriptures cumulatively not in some regimented isolation nobody demanded of you.


selective reading yet again. paul never gave a reason for not collecting tithes or for collecting tithes. i thought you loved to argue that Paul did not talk about tithes? suddenly you know the reason why Paul did not collect what he did not talk about? i didn't say tithe is any key to wealth, dunno why you're devilishly trying to push that on me. Paul didn't 'burden' people but could have. He had the power to, it was his personal decision as shown here.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Co 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.


On the basis that they were mindful of the words of the holy prophets. Words like Malachi 3 and co.
The gentiles gave more than 10%. they didn't need to be taught giving. Many of them gave their all. The early christians were serious and practical. Today, we have little of their type left, people need to be taught to give. You don't teach alphabets to an O'levels student. Why should they be taught on 10% when they had given their all and were ready to give their eyes? Its unlike many of the wishy washy folks today, who are still asking if it is reading the Bible is necessary or not.

Boomark: Is this a threat or what?

Boomark: This plappville sef...i can see you are not resting.

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

Zikkyy: How do i reconcile these two first Bidam says it was Jesus receiving tithe in Hebrews 7:8 (see below).....



....then Apostle Image123 says it was some men (see below)



Now who is right who is wrong? the problem is that you guys believe you are saying the same thing.



This i agree with. You guys are baptised with the same spirit; the spirit of confusion even image agrees.



How dare you call zikkyy (the perfect gentleman) a bully



You see your self i told you already that you lost touch with reality i will talk to you only when you are in your lucid interval

Ubenedictus: interesting! You certainly didnt say d bolded at the beginning. Now here comes another question, u are saying At present that God wanted to show the creatures that satan is a crook, which of d creatures?

Ubenedictus: since d twister tag has come out of the name calling bag then let me quote ur words! God didnt distroy satan... "to give satan the opportunity to proof that man disobedience..."

frosbel: This doctrine affirms that Jesus was the Son or
offspring of God, and that God had the power and
authority to cause his birth. As his position was to
be the savior of men, it was necessary that he be a
man, not an "immortal", preexistent being.

frosbel: ^^^^

This small article explains my position .

Boomark: Michael is a great angel and has a great role to play at the last days. The great tribulation will usher in the coming of Christ and Michael will not be resting that time.

Daniel showed us what Michael does that is standing for the people of God.

This is the summary of my explanation of 1 thessalonians 4:16.

1 Christ will give a commanding call and the dead will rise first.

2 Michael will stand for the elect. How? Satan and his demon will come to drag the elect as he did against Moses and he will hear his voice say "the Lord rebuke you."

3 The trumpet of God(i hope u knw they are angels) will then gather the elect, mt 24:31.

This just sweet when done step by step no jumping.

Boomark: Michael is a great angel and has a great role to play at the last days. The great tribulation will usher in the coming of Christ and Michael will not be resting that time.

Boomark: Christ is an exception.
That all power on earth and in heaven has been give to the son, does it mean the Father has no power again? 1Cor 15:27-28.

Your answer above does not in any way related to how God made His angels that contrast that of your angel John the Baptist. Ps 104:4.

Boomark: Christ is an exception.

Boomark: That all power on earth and in heaven has been give to the son, does it mean the Father has no power again? 1Cor 15:27-28.

frosbel: I can go on lenghty debates , but my schedule is very busy these days.

I will address this in greater detail in the coming weeks.

For now, I can assure you that Jesus Christ is not Angel Michael, this is a flawed position which by the way was not an original doctrine of JW when they first started.

It is totally unbiblical.

plappville: @true2god

In Hebrews we can see that when God puts the "firstborn" into the world, that He says to the angels to worship Him!

But when He again [b] brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

plappville: Where did He come from?

TroGunn: @bookmark

This particular verse is not really about the ressurection, it's about gathering of the "chosen ones". It corresponds to Revelation 7:1-4 with more details -- "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”"

Bidam: that truth is light.

Ubenedictus: words form a xtian, very interesting! Ur name calling skills are exceptional and ur manners a disaster!

Bidam: Paul even settled d matter in verse 8..of heb 7...He states plainly that Christ receiveth them(the tithes) of whom it is witnessed that He liveth"..who are the witnesses that Christ is Alive? Christians ofcos..we are His witness..Christians give tithes to Jesus. Paul could not make it any plainer.

Ubenedictus: oh! "God gave satan time to proof" is dat nt ur point? As if God was ignorant of satan's plans and intent.

oh! Really?

debosky: My view is that this 'conviction' - lets call it that - to tithe is a personal thing. If God has instructed an individual to tithe, or he/she is convinced he/she should tithe (after a clear understanding of the scriptures) then that person can do so without needing to do every thing contained in the law.

What I am strongly against is people teaching tithing as compulsory/mandatory for all Christians when it is, in my view, a personal decision.

babaearly: Tpia is an ugly old lady, well mid 40's,post menopause era.