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obadiah777: SERIALLINK >>>> WORLD WAR 3 BREWING >>>> https://www.nairaland.com/1122160/iran-captures-intruding-us-drone EXACTLY AS THE BIBLE SAID IT WILL START WITH IRAN ( MEDES-PERSIA ) AND BABYLON ( AMERICA )

obadiah777: NOTHING CONFUSING IN REINCARNATION. YOUR SPIRIT LIVES FOREVER BUT YOUR BODY DOES NOT. SO YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO EARTH IN A NEW BODY AFTER PERIODS OF REST IN THE SPIRIT WORLD. SIMPLE AS THAT

obadiah777: NAH WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WE ARE GETTING THE PERMANENT PHYSICALLY PRESENT REIGN OF CHRIST, FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER. THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS SO CALLED BECAUSE THE FIRSTLY RESSURECTED FIRST FRUITS WOULD BE THE TWO CANDLE STICKS ( THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN KINGDOM OF ISRAEL WHICH IS HOUSE OF JUDAH AND HOUSE OF EPHRAIM ) IN FRONT OF THE KING OF THE WORLD ( THE GENTILES >> ROMANS 11 VS 11 ) SPREADING THE MESSAGE OF SALVATION TO THE GENTILE NATIONS. SO THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WAS IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD DURING THAT 1000 YEAR PERIOD SO THAT NO ONE HAD POWER OVER THE ELECT AS LONG AS THE 1000 YEAR WAS NOT UP. BUT AS SOON AS THE 1000 YEAR WAS UP, THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WAS RE-OPENED AND THE KING OF THE WORLD ( THE SATANIC GENTILES WHICH THEN WAS THE ROMAN EMPIRE IN CHARGE ) WERE GIVEN BACK THEIR POWERS AND NOW THAT THE SEED OF SPIRITUAL SALVATION OF THE LORD HAS BEEN PLANTED IN THAT 1000 YEAR PERIOD WE ARE WAITING AND HAVE BEEN WAITING EVER SINCE FOR THE GENTILES TO BRING FORTH THE LATER FRUITS ( WAITING FOR THE ONES WHO WILL TAKE HEED TO THE WORD ). AS SOON AS THE NUMBER OF GENTILES REQUIRED TAKES HEED OF THE WORD, ITS A WRAP FOR THIS SATANIC GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH. CHRIST IS COMING BACK. SO BASICALLY WE ARE WAITING FOR THE GENTILES TO BRING FORTH

seriallink: The bolded sounds more like reincarnation to me. That's another part that is confusing brah!

obadiah777: LOL HAILINGS MY BROTHER. PERSONALLY I THINK 1000 YEARS IS A GOOD ENOUGH TIME TO LIVE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. IMAGINE 1000 YEARS OF JOLLOFMENT ? NO WARS, NO CRAZINESS, JUST JOLLOFMENT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. AND THEN AFTER 1000 YEARS YOU PASS ON, REST A LIL BIT AND THEN COME BACK AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 1000 YEARS ETC ETC ETC. PEACE FOREVER.

obadiah777: THAT PASSAGE IS TALKING ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH. READ IT WELL. AND THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS OVER. IT ENDED IN THE 1400s. THIS PERIOD IS SO CALLED BECAUSE THE ELECT ( THE TWO CANDLESTICKS BEFORE THE KING OF THE WORLD ) WERE IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD SPIRITUALLY WHILE SPREADING THE MESSAGE TO THE GENTILES. THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS OVER. NOW WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PERMANENT AND PHYSICALLY PRESENT REIGN OF CHRIST

obadiah777: VERY WELL SAID CHIEF SERIALLINK. TRUTHISLIGHT WANTS TO LIVE IN THE SAME HUMAN BODY FOREVER CRAZY SOMEBORRY

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

seriallink: I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

seriallink: Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

seriallink: I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

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You've asked more than one question, even if i answered this one, you'd ask three more. i'm not under a debt to answer your every question. i'm answering your questions in order of relevance to the points being discussed, so that you see the real issues instead of gallivanting around aimlessly. BTW, the goal of the law, which is love, is achieved by anyone who adheres to it. Love has not passed away.1Corinth 13.


i retain that they should be. if you agree to tithes and offerings, fine, very fine. Pastors are maintained with tithes and offerings today. there are different types of offerings. If you feel like giving your own pastor food, crops and animals, go ahead. they'll do with it, what they know is best. your own na to bring the animal. A giver like you, i expect cow, goats, fat chicken and turkey aplenty. It's very good and welcome.

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

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1Co 9:13 Don't you know that people who work in the temple make their living from what is brought to the temple? Don't you know that a person who serves at the altar is given part of what is offered?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.



You are proving lazy and dishonest. i don't do online dictionaries and thesaurus as i have one. But i'll oblige you with the microsoft on my system. Merriem Webster is also similar.


in·come [ín kùm]
(plural in·comes)
noun
1. money received over period: the amount of money received over a period of time either as payment for work, goods, or services, or as profit on capital
2. inflow: an act of coming in or flowing in

Thesaurus: profits, proceeds, returns, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary, take-home pay, takings
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



har·vest [hrvəst]
noun (plural har·vests)
1. quantity of crop: the quantity of a crop that is gathered or ripens during a season

Thesaurus: crop, yield, produce, return, fruitage, ingathering
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

yield [yeeld]
verb (past and past participle yield·ed, present participle yield·ing, 3rd person present singular yields)
1. transitive verb produce something: to produce something naturally or as a result of cultivation

Thesaurus: harvest, crop, produce, vintage, profit, earnings, INCOME, revenue, return

Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Neither were they fasting or praying to God.


Wrong, Acts 15 provides details of the aspect of the law of Moses they were required to comply with. Fortunately for us, the laws of God are not limited to the law of Moses. Tithing was BEFORE Moses' grandfather!


The bolded is right and is what i've been saying for about 12pages, except you mistakenly wrote this.


You make it sound so cool, establishing, declared, defined, mandated, bla bla. All na grammar. Every Bible student knows when God was specific and detailed in the law. Compare the issues of making the tabernacle, or of cleansing, or of sacrifices, with what you're saying of tithes. There is no such detail and definition given. It simply states that the tithe is holy to God.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

It's not limiting it or defining it or establishing it. The focus is that tithes belong to God. In other places, it mentioned of some tithe that belong to widows and levites. Take the scriptures cumulatively not in some regimented isolation nobody demanded of you.


selective reading yet again. paul never gave a reason for not collecting tithes or for collecting tithes. i thought you loved to argue that Paul did not talk about tithes? suddenly you know the reason why Paul did not collect what he did not talk about? i didn't say tithe is any key to wealth, dunno why you're devilishly trying to push that on me. Paul didn't 'burden' people but could have. He had the power to, it was his personal decision as shown here.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Co 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.


On the basis that they were mindful of the words of the holy prophets. Words like Malachi 3 and co.
The gentiles gave more than 10%. they didn't need to be taught giving. Many of them gave their all. The early christians were serious and practical. Today, we have little of their type left, people need to be taught to give. You don't teach alphabets to an O'levels student. Why should they be taught on 10% when they had given their all and were ready to give their eyes? Its unlike many of the wishy washy folks today, who are still asking if it is reading the Bible is necessary or not.

obadiah777: THE BOLDED PART IS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT MEANING WE WILL LIVE VERY LONG LIVES. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A TREE IS ABOUT 1000 YEARS

DEATH WILL BE THE LAST ENEMY CONQUERED. YES SPIRITUAL DEATH. WHY IS THEIR SPIRITUAL DEATH ? LACK OF FAITH. WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO RULE ON EARTH THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR FAITH ANYMORE SO SPIRITUAL DEATH WILL BE CONQUERED.

obadiah777: THE BOLDED PART IS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT MEANING WE WILL LIVE VERY LONG LIVES. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A TREE IS ABOUT 1000 YEARS

DEATH WILL BE THE LAST ENEMY CONQUERED. YES SPIRITUAL DEATH. WHY IS THEIR SPIRITUAL DEATH ? LACK OF FAITH. WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO RULE ON EARTH THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR FAITH ANYMORE SO SPIRITUAL DEATH WILL BE CONQUERED.

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR TRUTHISLIGHT. THE MAN IS HIS SPIRIT NOT HIS BODY. HIS BODY IS JUST DUST ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BODY. IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT. NO HUMAN BODY IS MADE TO LIVE FOREVER. SAYS IN THE BOOK OF ISAIAH THAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WE WILL LIVE TO BE AS OLD AS TREES BEFORE WE PASS ON. PHYSICAL FLESH IS NOT MADE TO BE IMMORTAL. THE SPIRIT IS YOU AND SERIALLINK JUST WAN LIVE FOREVER SHA. UNA TOO ENJOY SUYA AND PEPPERSOUP. UNA NO WAN LET GO. HOWEVER WE WILL LIVE TO 1000 IN THE KINGDOM ( METHUSELAHS AGE RANGE IS THE ORIGINAL AGE RANGE OF MAN BEFORE IT GOT CUT DOWN TO 120 YEARS ( GENESIS 6 VS 3 ) BECAUSE OF SIN

obadiah777: THE MAN IS HIS SPIRIT NOT HIS BODY. HIS BODY IS JUST DUST ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BODY.

seriallink: I think your explanation is based on Yahweh's reign which would be after Christ's 1000 yrs righteous reign on Earth; ofcourse, death would be automatically defeated and Yahweh would live on Earth with humans forever (Revelation 21:3). However, I doubt if that is applicable during Christ 1000 yrs righteous reign as referenced in Isaiah 65:20 & v22. The 1000 yrs reign would be like restoration of the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

seriallink: I think your explanation is based on Yahweh's reign which would be after Christ's 1000 yrs righteous reign on Earth; ofcourse, death would be automatically defeated and Yahweh would live on Earth with humans forever (Revelation 21:3). However, I doubt if that is applicable during Christ 1000 yrs righteous reign as referenced in Isaiah 65:20 & v22. The 1000 yrs reign would be like restoration of the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

obadiah777: HEAVENS = RULERSHIP. NOT PHYSICAL PLACE. YOU NEED A DICTIONARY OF BIBLICAL WORDS MEANING.

obadiah777: ISAIAH 65 STARTING FROM VERSE 17 "Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth -- so wonderful that no one will even think about the old ones anymore. 18 Be glad; rejoice forever in my creation! And look! I will create Jerusalem as a place of happiness. Her people will be a source of joy. 19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem and delight in my people. And the sound of weeping and crying will be heard no more. 20 "No longer will babies die when only a few days old. No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life. No longer will people be considered old at one hundred! Only sinners will die that young! 21 In those days, people will live in the houses they build and eat the fruit of their own vineyards. 22 It will not be like the past, when invaders took the houses and confiscated the vineyards. For my people will live as long as trees and will have time to enjoy their hard-won gains.

obadiah777: OF COURSE LOL. BUT NOT IN YOUNG AGE LIKE NOW. SCRIPTURE SAYS IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WE WILL LIVE TO BE AS OLD AS TREES

obadiah777: NOTHING LIVES FOREVER. WE WOULD NOT HAVE DIED AS YOUNG AS WE DO NOW BUT WE WOULD HAVE DIED EVENTUALLY. ALL FLESH IS MORTAL. EVEN IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN PEOPLE WILL LIVE TO BE AS OLD AS TREES ( AS SCRIPTURE PUTS IT ) AND THEN DIE PHYSICALLY

seriallink: Even in the Kingdom of Heaven, there would be physical death?

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

centje: crazy right? Just leave it that way. But try to reason with your brain most time rather than being sentimental.

plappville: (NIV) Hebrews 1:4-9 Having become so
much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance
obtained a more excellent name than they.
For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."
But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than "Your companions."

inurmind: So is the bible heavily biased in favour of god and against the devil.
Its funny u couldn't apply that to ur religion.
Can someone please spell my-op-ic for me?

seriallink: ^^^I kinda agree with your view on that. But how do we know that the 'death' Paul talked about in Romans 6:23 is not physical as well?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

You know many people believe the above ^^^ to be spiritual death, why is it different in the case of what Yahweh says in Genesis 2:17?

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

seriallink: it's just my opinion bro, Iron sharpens Iron, they say. Btw, I'm not infallible. Infact, that was why I created a thread on this topic to understand some of these things, but there are no good responses on it.

Check the thread out: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? You might want to contribute

seriallink: I understand where you are coming from bro! This topic is even completely different from what is being discussed here, muKeeto asked a question regarding the 'death' mentioned in Genesis 2:17:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

^^^^ Is the ' death' mentioned in this passage physical or spiritual/second death? So, when I answered him (spiritual death), then inurmind asked if man was created to live forever or not? Infact, I created a thread on this very topic a few months back but there was no reasonble response on it; you might wanna check it out, I have bumped it out : Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever?

I know that the prophecy in Isaiah 65:17-23 is a future event that would take place during the 1000 yrs reign of Christ on Earth, I only used it to explain what Eden would have been like if Adam hadn't sinned! Christ's reign will be a righteous one, without sin or suffering/wickedness because satan would be locked up in prison while Christ reign!

So, going by Isaiah 65:20 & v22 which also clearly suggests that there would be death during the period of Christ's reign but people would die in their old age, I came to the conclusion that this same thing would have happened to the first Adam if he hadn't sinned.

It's just my opinion bro, Iron sharpens Iron, they say. Btw, I'm not infallible. Infact, that was why I created a thread on this topic to understand some of these things, but there are no good responses on it.

seriallink: So, going by Isaiah 65:20 & v22 which also clearly suggests that there would be death during the period of Christ's reign but people would die in their old age, I came to the conclusion that this same thing would have happened to the first Adam if he hadn't sinned.

seriallink: ^^^Yes, there wasn't death yet! But going by the scriptures I quoted, physical death would have still been unavoidable even if they hadn't sinned; it would have still happened in their 'old age'. So, the death mentioned in Genesis 2:17 isn't physical but spiritual or second death as consequences of eating the forbidden fruit!