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plappville: So the Pope now determine who qualifies to reign with Christ, No wonder Popeitalo is so confident when defending thier doctrine. Catholic is a big dream

I cant stop laughing at this church !

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:" (2 Thessalonians 2:.

Logicboy03: The point here is that while you attack the church, you attack yourself.


The bible you use was compiled by whom?

^^^

those are lies that you have been fed all along, and that is why you are an atheist today.

They use that to feed you that there is no God indirectly.

Logicboy03: The bible you use was compiled by whom?

the NT is a writing by christ apostles and not the catholic church RCC.

The apostles wrote letters and taught the christians what and how to follow in their service to God/faith.

See some sample of the apostles letters by their own mouth in the bible a book they had wanted to destroy.





peter:
1. "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness." (2 Peter 3:16-17).
(note: his epistle)

Paul:
2. "The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write." (2 Thessalonians 3:17).

(note: every epistle)

3. "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:15).
(note: our epistle)

4. "And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus. The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments." (2 Timothy 4:12-13).

5. "Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction." (2 Corinthians 13:10).

6. "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" (1 Corinthians 5:9).
(note: his epistle)

7. "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11).
(note: I have written unto you)

8. "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not." (Galatians 1:20).
( I write unto you,)

9. "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)" (Ephesians 3:3-4).

(note: as I wrote afore in few words,)

Congregations to exchange letters :

1. "And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16).

This are just few letters from the apostles not to talk of revelation and others that they the apostles wrote.

Leave those hypocritical RCC that lie that they gave the bible, a book they dont follow, how ironic

Compiling this apostolic writings is not supposed to be a big deal except that some of them wanted to add to it.

Reyginus: Aha. This is what I'm talking about.
Now to business.
1. By this you are creating many loopholes for yourself and the entire christendom by perceiving the verse literally.
Let's play the game. The same book also say 'life is useless'. 2vs17. Following your logic. If life and all therein is useless, the book as well is useless. If the book is useless, quoting from it is a stupid thing to do. If qouting from it is stupid, those who use it as a guide are chasing the wind. A book that is self-refuting belong to the trashcan. In that sense, mr, stop ascribing the ecclesiastes a literal explanation.
2. Man was made in the image and likeness of God. The bible never gave any account of God breathing his spirit into animals. If you insist we still have the same fate, you would have to agree that goats and dogs were made in the image of God.
3. Now you are contradicting yourself. You say we are ONE and also we are a COMBINATION. Are you hearing yourself?
4. Lol. If after death is nothing, what then is the purpose of christainity?
5. 1 thessalonians 5 vs 23:
'May the God who gives us peace make you holy in every way and keep your whole being-SPIRIT, SOUL, and BODY-free from every fault at the coming of our lord jesus Christ'.

the difference between man and beast is the brain that man have.

You must poor water on the bible to pass your pegan ideas.

"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4).

That is what God put into the man in GENESIS.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).

The truth is very consistent from GENESIS to revelation.

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:10).

nuclearboy: @ogomakamaka the girl

I am here! Never went anywhere actually but wasn't and aren't posting much nowadays!

I expected ur daughter would have sharpened your wits - I just hope she didn't inherit brains from you but from the father since you are the woman!

Btw, the rubbish you are saying makes NO sense! Vacuous, flatulent and a waste of space!

i have always have this feeling that ogomakamaka is a woman.

But i dont know why she has "male" on her profile.

seriallink: ^^^ And was she referred to as the 'Queen of Heaven'? That title was known in the bible to refer to a pagan goddess, why would the catholic pope give mary such title knowing very well that it has pagan origin? Will a Christian be given a pagan or muslim name?

Scripture says :

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

the woman is not mary.

italo: Okay, let me obey you and read "the rest" of the Scripture.

Rev 12: 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

So is it the Church that gave birth to Jesus Christ?



I will believe this only if you can prove it to me. Can you read Rev 12:5 "right side up" and tell me if the woman that gave birth to the male child - JESUS - is the Church?

the woman is Yahweh's heavenly organization from where the baby came from.

The woman in revelation is Yahweh's heavenly organization from where the baby came from.

@Italio
Do you know who the baby is?

italo: Who told you it was a straight forward thing? There were so many books and letters that were in circulation, including heretical ones.

Have you heard about the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Barnabas, the gospel of Judas, the Acts of Peter, Enoch, etc...? Why are they not in the Bible? *because the Catholic Church did not consider them as scriptural so did not add them to the books of the Bible*

Have you read the books of Mark and Luke? What is in those writings to show that it was indeed Mark and Luke who wrote those books? NOTHING! And where is it written that those books were inspired? NOWHERE! So why do you believe that those books were written by Mark and Luke and were inspired? *because the Catholic Church determined their authors, considered them as Scriptural and included them in the Bible.

if it was not a straith forward thing it is because people like you wanted to add books that were not from the apostles and it was rejected.

Joagbaje: The question on this thread has been answered . Money was substituted for tithes right from the bible days. If you want to discussed Christianity and tithe ,kindly open another thread. Don't mess up another mans thread .

no such thing was commanded in the bible but the command is on farm product.

All you have said on this thread are lies.

Joagbaje: What's thus long junk and rage about? Take it easy. Truth doesn't require fight. Cooool down. If you come with rage and insult ,I won't respond to you. If you can't display christian fruits in your choice of words and language I'm out. I don't talk with fools

see this Theif calling someone fool as if he does not know what the bible says about that.

Where there is light darkness will run as you are about to run now.

Joagbaje: ^^^
Clap for yourself,

So did people use money as tithe in the bible ?

No.

It was the Animal that was tith.

What was use to exchange the animal is still the animal.

If you should sell you car and you were paid with either cash, land, sheep, house, gold, it is still the value for your car that you sold.

That does not mean that cars are to be bought with gold or there is a law to that effect.

Are you saying that if one does not farm live stock and other farm produce that there is a law that he should count his money of tenth part and go to the temple and pay?

Joagbaje: The book keeping has to do with tithe record na. That's what he is saying. "keep good record of your tithing ". It's as simple as that. The living bible makes it clearer

Matthew 23:23
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.



Yes he should ,he will commend me.

your ignorance is very big.

This matthew 23:23 is a discussion befor the death of christ and befor the new covanant was started.
That was the old covanant discussion when christ was still alive.

Ofcouse we know that it is the blood of christ that enforce the new covanant that brought an end to the Abrahamic covanant.

It was in the Abrahamic covanant that Tithing was allowed, so, christ was talking on the basis of the old covanant and chestising the pharisees.

So, when Jesus was addressing the pharisees he was talking on the basis of the old covanant and not a command in the NT.

It was christ death/ blood that open/started the new covanant as the bible says.

You are bringing a law of old covanant to the new covanant.

Again, the law on tith are in the OT and clearly spelt out, it is crooks like you that come to the NT to get a justification on tith being money.

That discussion between Jesus and the pharisees, was it base on a law that was given just then or it is an old law?

Why leave where the law was given and desperately take a statement out of context to justify an old law?

That is because Tithing is not a christian law but a Jewish/Israelite law:

"He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD." (Psalm 147:19-20).

We are gentiles and not Israelites, and as such, the OT Tithing does not apply to Gentiles. Us.

Again, Tithing command is not given to christians, but rather, it is put to an end in Hebrews 7.

Joagbaje: When you get hooked you start to get personal. Be humble to truth, art least be objective . I know it's hard for you to openly agree you've been wrong, after all the wasted years of your crusade against tithe to just see everything crumble. Especially your popular theory that money was never used in the bible . I just crashed that one under you on this thread. Glory to God. Every one is seeing the mighty kuns looking for ropes to grab, but unlike you I still communicate truth in love .

he could have used dollar, to bring it clearer to modern generation. The Ralph of solomon was calculated in dollars in some translations. A bible scholars should know that. Okay you can put shekels there .



I'm done with that thread there's no damage to control. I think I have said the importat things that needed to be said there . Children can continue children play there. It doesn't change truth

where did you do all this you claim?

Can you come and show me?

If you cannot come and show me where you did that it means you are a liar.

Joagbaje: I'm not surprise at your comment. What else will you say in the face of biblical truth

you in the face of ur twisting biblical truth?

Joagbaje: That's a different one , it's a love feast. It's not the annual tithe . This is a special tithe of tithes every 3 years that they bring together to eat as a feast and the individual contribution can be converted to money as well and used to buy things for the feast

you are a disgrace to christandom.

That is a yearly tith but you lied and called it tith of tith

Joagbaje: Tithe generally was substituted with cash. Not every thing is acceptable in the temple that's only a part. People gave tithes of all things . There's things that are indivisible . You only tithe from its equivalent.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Tithes of all were given in cash. Cash is a general medium of exchange

yes, tith of all live stock.

Joagbaje: Pls don't let us go in circles. God doesn't accept unclean,blind,maimed,animals as offerings and tithes. Same principles bind the two. Such animals were redeemed by cash . To redeem means to buy it back . To buy it back means you pay money value of than animal. Not only that. People have the choice of giving money value for tithe.

Leviticus 27:30-31
"One- tenth of what comes from the land, whether grain or fruit, is holy and belongs to the LORD. 31 If you buy back any part of it, you must add one- fifth more to it.

Leviticus 27:30-31
"A tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain or fruit, is the Lord's, and is holy. 31 If anyone wants to buy back this fruit or grain, he must add a fifth to its value.

So the difference is, if you're paying money value ,you will add interest of 20% on it.

the tith there is still all about the animal, the tith is not on the money.

Joagbaje: That's not the point. The question here was if money was used for tithe and I've cleared that

you have cleared nothing.

All you quoted is talking about farm product.

Redeeming it is still about the initial farm animal, so, whether you redeemed it with money or use the money to buy another clean animal it is still about the initial farm animal.

This your fraud and dancing around has eating deep into your bones.

Joagbaje: People have always given money as tithe right from bible days

^^^
hmmm! Big big lies!

gregtochi: Hahahahahaha.....

So you are telling me the apostles had moulds of the cross and also images??.......and also the rosary??

Italo now I know you are bent on following the traditions of men

Talking about the tradition of men, the bible you are holdin today, though inspired by God, is a collection of books that were approved by the Catholic church. There are others that were not approved for inclusion in today's bible but that does not render them invalid. If you accept the books approved by the church as authoritative, why then would you not accept the oral tradition?
Remember, Marthin Luther wanted to delete some books of the new testament like James and 2nd Peter immediately after the reformation , but was advised against it by his allies like John Calvin. so talk not about the tradition of men.

the NT are writtings by the apostles of christ and the history of christ and the history of the apostles in the book of acts.

Since the books of the christians (NT) were from the apostles to congregations and the congregation were using it, then it Was a straith forward thing to gather this writtings of the apostles together, and that is the NT.
Peace

lagerwhenindoubt: FYI.. I was born Muslim and Praise be to Allah for a practical Muslim Father, I had a choice to convert to Christianity (Catholic at first) and became born-again in the year 1988 (Christ Church Interdenominational PH). I have been a God n' Bible-believing Christian with my fair share of prayerful fasting, night-vigils, evangelizing, faith-healing, fellowsheeping, bus-preaching, agape-loving, Kenneth Hagin(s), Copeland reader, hard-tithing and prophesying

I am atheist not by condition (fashionable as it is) but by Reasoning from Experience. based on the following below, please explain

John 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

What is God's Will?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

A path of the Roman Road. if you did a lot of old-school evangelizing you would know what I mean so there you have it. I have done this with sincerity and conviction as required. so that qualifies me for Holy Spirit Baptism no?


1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

How does one really get baptized with the Holy Spirit and Lie from the lips of the Holy Spirit - a game-changing experience for me especially with "Spirit-filled Anointed Pastors and MOG" (A personal experience I shall recount later). FYI - I have never experienced the Holy Spirit (tried as much as I could)

John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.

Even as a practical atheist, I have never disobeyed Jesus - I know, hard to believe right. but what is there to go against, the guy was a freaking social dissident , going up against the Man and his false-hoods ( which somehow made it to modern day Christianity) seems only common-sense to be practical like he was . So in a sense he pointed the way to my new-found rebirth.

well, you tried, but as long as you are alive, you can only learn more things with your life.

As per this quote and statement you made:

lagerwhenindoubt:
1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

How does one really get baptized with the Holy Spirit and Lie from the lips of the Holy Spirit - a game-changing experience for me especially with "Spirit-filled Anointed Pastors and MOG" (A personal experience I shall recount later). FYI - I have never experienced the Holy Spirit (tried as much as I could)

now, with the false hood all over the place, how do you know you have the right reference for accusing this so call spiritual men?

Using the wrong parameters for your analyses/experiment will lead you on the wrong direction.

Matthew 7:7

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: " (Matthew 7:7).

"Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God." (Proverbs 2:3-5).

Ubenedictus: that is what u say wen u dont have a defence. Thank u for proving me point.

all the lies you and your RCC have fed people are very disgraceful.

truthislight: item 10 in this post shows how paul directed that congregation or early churches should exchange letters.

peter:
1. "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness." (2 Peter 3:16-17).
(note: his epistle)

Paul:
2. "The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write." (2 Thessalonians 3:17).

(note: every epistle)

3. "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:15).
(note: our epistle)

4. "And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus. The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments." (2 Timothy 4:12-13).

5. "Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction." (2 Corinthians 13:10).

6. "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" (1 Corinthians 5:9).
(note: his epistle)

7. "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11).
(note: I have written unto you)

8. "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not." (Galatians 1:20).
( I write unto you,)

9. "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)" (Ephesians 3:3-4).

(note: as I wrote afore in few words,)

Congregations to exchange letters :

1. "And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16).

My Conclussion:
I am really afraid for you (Ubenedictus) that somehow christ may have died in vein in your own case because of your looking at the wrong direction due to your RCC.

This are letters that the apostles wrote but you and your RCC wish to deceived people that you on them.

You have cause many people to lose faith and turn to atheist
Lets wait on God as the one to judge you and your RCC on this.
No thanks.

^^^ liar!
your word, no "one put in ink"
2Timothy 2:2 your idea of the apostles:

"And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also." (2 Timothy 2:2).

Ubenedictus: that is what u say wen u dont have a defence. Thank u for proving me point.

all the lies you and your RCC have fed people are very disgraceful.

Now you are claiming a book written by christ apostles.

Anyigala: Well, i guess i have nothing more to add to this debate since you cannot, logically, historically or biblically refute Catholic Church's claim that Christ is Her founder and Peter was the first Pope.

Blessings.

your words!!!

plaetton: You know I'm an atheist, so I dont buy into that creation whopper.

how then did you come to know what the soul is?

plaetton: Wrong sir.
What do you mean by "Vanish"?
Out of plain sight or ceases to exist?

At the most basic level, Nothing ever vanishes.
The most fundametal laws of the universe implies that every atom, every particle and every unit of energy is accounted for.
Nothing is ever created nor ceases to exist.

what

Can you explain what or were the light in the bulb went to?

Ok! I see, according to you, the light went inside the filament

O! The light bodily travels through the cable to the substation and into the generator/turbine

Naaaa! It is the current that the substation gave that they take. No?

plaetton: i think you are confusing yourself with these analogies.
Light cannot equal soul simply because light is manifestation of the current. It is simply energy conversion from electrical to light and heat energy.
Light is visible and can be isolated and measured. Can we say the same of soul?

Also, Current cannot equal spirit because current itself is energy generated from another source, usually from kinetic, chemical or solar source.

is that the way you equate analogies?

I only related them to create something to enable visualisation.

My statement is base on what the bible says:

"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4).

Can you find the soul there?

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).

The soul was not in existance till the spirit activated the mold.

Beside, can you state ur beliefs and source of authority?

The mind is a function of the brain.

It is only when the body is alive (activated by the spirit) that the brain can function.

No live (soul) no functional brain.

Another way to look at it is this:

"and God blew into his nostril the breath of life(spirit) and the man came to life"

truthislight: no spirit = no life (soul)

let us use light bulb.

Bulb/material = body

current = spirit

light = soul.

^^^

where does the light go when no current? No where

it simply varnish.

The light was as a result of the action of the current.

The soul is also as a result of the ACTION of the spirit.

plaetton: Daaa.
There we go again.

Ok. just imagine that were no radios or batteries, how would you define soul, spirit,their differences etc.

no spirit = no life (soul)

let us use light bulb.

Bulb/material = body

current = spirit

light = soul.

Soul = the life

and there will be no life when the spirit goes out. = The life is dead = dead soul.

plaetton: Does not compute.
If you want to define soul ,spirit, the differences between them , and why the sould dies and the spirit lives, pls do so simple english.
You can use an Anology to suppliment, not as a subsititute for a simple explanation.

when the radio comes to life its as a result of the force (battery) ,

when man comes to life its as a result of the live force (spirit)

when you remove the battery the radio dies and we know it is only bakery that goes out and the radio has died.

Eg, take the life of the radio as the soul and the spirit(life force) as the battery

what that goes out from man is the live force (spirit), this spirit belongs to God.

Does the battery takes the shape of the radio when it is removed? No.

Put the battery back and the radio comes to life.

plaetton: This is probably the first time I am ever hearing that the soul dies.
And the spirit lives?
Please, kindly explain to us the difference between soul and spirit. And also, kindly explain to us why you think the soul dies and the spirit lives.
Thank you.

to ilustate, look at it this way:

1. the hard ware or body is just material(inanimate) eg radio body.

2. The battery gives a driving force to the hardware.

The output is the live (soul) the live that came as a result of the battery.

(and the man came to be a living soul)

when the battery is removed(life force) from the Redio what happened to the talking radio? (live) Does it go any where?