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Reyginus: Is christ the leader of the christains?

Reyginus: Is it not clear that the verse is symbolic?
The head of the congregation of the word.
The Pope.

Reyginus: The head of the congregation of the word.
The Pope.

chukwudi44: The name "Peter" in the Greek means "Petros" (i.e., a small stone or rock); BUT, Jesus is referred to as "Petra" (a large rock or mountain). In the original Greek Jesus said, “Thou art petros [a little piece of rock], and upon this Petra [bedrock] I will build my church.” Clearly, Jesus was NOT speaking about Peter, because Peter was only a small stone

Another use of semantics to try to obfuscate people.Have you forgotten that Jesus spoke in aramaic and not greek.In aramaic only one word is used for rock so this your infantile logic does not hold

Reyginus: No. The foundation is the word of God.
The church is not the word. It's a congregation of believers of the word.

Reyginus: The foundation of the christainity is Christ, and Peter is the foundation of the Church. They are not the same thing.

Reyginus: I dont think so. Mattew 16:18.
And so I tell you, Peter: you are the rock, and on this foundation I will build my church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it.

frosbel: The Roman Catholic religion sinfully teaches that Jesus appointed the Apostle Peter as the foundation of the Church. Nothing could be further from the truth of God's Word.

Peter means Petros; NOT Petra
Many religious people have been misled to believe that the way to God is through the Church. However, nothing could be further from the truth of God's Word. Jesus clearly stated in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Some foolishly claim that the Church is representative of Christ, and that we should obey the church in order to follow Christ; however, no such demonic doctrine is found in the Bible. Jesus Christ is the ONLY foundation, the ONLY way to God the Father, and thus; is the ONLY One we should follow.

The name "Peter" in the Greek means "Petros" (i.e., a small stone or rock); BUT, Jesus is referred to as "Petra" (a large rock or mountain). In the original Greek Jesus said, “Thou art petros [a little piece of rock], and upon this Petra [bedrock] I will build my church.” Clearly, Jesus was NOT speaking about Peter, because Peter was only a small stone.

The only true and sure foundation is Jesus Christ, which is plainly stated in 1st Corinthians 3:11 ... "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

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seriallink: So, you believe God will punish sinners' souls and spirits in hell for eternity? Well, I find it very difficult to believe in eternal torments for human sinners since we 're mere mortals; but for the devil and all the fallen angels, I don't know! Rev. 20:10 seems to explain a lot which was why I created this thread~ Spirit and soul being immortal, that, I don't know! Care to explain why you think spirits and souls are immortal?

God is spirit and He created all spirits, so, destroying it completely shouldn't be a problem to Him, what do you think?

Reyginus: He was in a grave for sure. But not in hell.
Hell is a place of torment. Is their any form of torture in the graves?
Compare it with what the nature of hell is.

Reyginus: how can something which you claim has a limit have an eternal result?

Reyginus: The problem we christains have with bible verses is that we fail to break the constituents words down for proper analysis.
What is fate? Is it the unifying factor between man and beast. No. The verse in quote is only pointing out why we should be less concerned about earthly possession. Verse 21 is a rhetoric question centered upon correcting the wrong notion of man claiming to be too important.
Let me ask you this question:
Do animals have spirits?
Secondly, is life useless?

Reyginus: The issue is not where they are now, but where they would be in the time to come.
If the grave is hell, that also entails that the righteous who have died are in hell as we speak.

Reyginus: Very good. That goes to show that the punishment for sodom and gomorah was beyond the events that happened in the city. It transcended to hell. If the word 'eternal' is defined as a limit, it ceases to be original and lose meaning.

Reyginus: Lol. Man is a living soul because God breathed life into him.
If am to go by this your doctrine, it will follow that animals too have the spirit of God in them, because they are living souls. And also when the soul dies the spirit dies too. That will be bunch of confusion.

Reyginus: If am to go by this your doctrine, it will follow that animals too have the spirit of God in them, because they are living souls. And also when the soul dies the spirit dies too. That will be bunch of confusion.

Reyginus: You dont get it. The 'living soul' is the quality of man indicating life. It's not a description of the sub-materials of man as you think.
I will explain.
The body can take any form. It can be physical or spiritual. But the body we are talking about here is the fleshy part of man which can be palpated.
The spirit is the inner man. That which makes us distinct from every other creature. It is what makes you you.
The soul inhabits any of the above two. It cannot exist on its own. It requires a physical or spiritual case.
Since a soul is a dependent entity, when the case dies, it dies as well. Then it ceases to be a living soul. A dead soul is a dead body. The scriptures you quoted do not in any way describe it as a look into the parts of man. You are the person misunderstanding everything.

ijawkid: That got me laughn too

Ubenedictus: did the apostles write to all the churches? Did they wish for their writting to be compiled? Did they wish to write without exception all they had received? Before 98ad the NT wasnt completed, before 385ad there was no generally accepted NT, So for over 300yrs the early church didnt have a bible. And today someone is telling me that the bible is d sole and final authority, were does the bible say so? Anytime i hear sumone talk about d SS doctrine i will tell that person it is unbiblical. Where did they get that from? That is a doctrine of men. What does 2 tim2:2 say?

Reyginus: It's not a matter of making sense. Even wrong ideas make sense to those who propose them.
The passage wasnt talking about an afterlife, but a present one. Your first error was relating it to the afterlife where their should be none.
Remember the rules to this debate suggest that metaphoric or other meanings should not be ascribed to things that make sense literally. The sense which the word 'wholly' was used in the passage does not tell anything of the afterlife, but the present one. So, the question of tormenting shouldnt even be there.
Spirit+body+soul=man.

Reyginus: Spirit+body+soul=man.

Abbott: If hell is grave then somethings must be going on even in that place "hell" to the "things" there that is not good.

obadiah777: AND TRUTHISLIGHT SAYS THE BODY IS THE MAN AND YOU ARE POWERED BY SOME ELECTRICITY LOL. WELL THIS PROVES YOUR THEORY IS A WASH. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR SPIRIT WHEN YOU ARE DEAD

JOB 3 VS 17 There the wicked cease from turmoil,
and there the weary are at rest.
18 Captives also enjoy their ease;
they no longer hear the slave driver’s shout.
19 The small and the great are there,
and the slaves are freed from their owners. YOUR PERSONALITY IS STILL INTACT WHILE YOUR SPIRIT IS STILL WHOLESOME. YOU ARE JUST RESTING. THOSE VERSES PROVE SPIRITS ARE HUMANS WITHOUT THE BODY

obadiah777: 2 ESDRAS 14 VS 35 [b]For after death shall the judgment come, when we shall live again: and then shall the names of the righteous be manifest, and the works of the ungodly shall be declared.

Freksy: "13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it ; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them : and they were judged every man according to their works . 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire . This is the second death . 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" . Rev. 20:13-15 KJV

My questions: if hell is really a place of torment, why would those in it come back for judgement? On what basis were they sent to hell in the first place?

Its usage in verse 13 perfectly fit that of a grave - the place for the deads. Delivering up of people from it is nothing, but resurrection of the deads from it for judgement.

Reyginus: I see fact where you see error.
Sir, can you help me with 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

Mckybarf: i wonder who is missing the point here. According to scripture unless a man accepts Christ and turns from his old ways, he is doomed to be condemned with the devil with unquenchable fire in a place where there is gnashing of teeth and the likes. Physical death is for all men but spiritual death(separation from God) is as a result of adams sin. If a man refuses to accept Christ, he is spiritually dead but his punishment is not until God comes to judge the world and recompense every man according to his deeds.

Reyginus: This defeats the tripartite nature of man.
For clarity you can tell me what part of man stays in the grave?
If its the body, why? if the spirit, can a spirit be corporeal? If the soul, how?

Reyginus: PROGRESS REPORT
As it stands now, it seems we all have agreed to the existence of a place like hell.
The problem now is the nature of hell.
Correct me If am wrong.
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