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truthislight: are you saying that there are no prophesies that has ever come true even in the bible inclusive?

Logicboy03: Yes.

truthislight: are you saying that there are no prophesies that has ever come true even in the bible inclusive?

Logicboy03: Yes.

Logicboy03: Yawn?


See, I cant be bothered to find out these things.

truthislight: are you saying that there are no prophesies that has ever come true even in the bible inclusive?

Logicboy03: Yes.

OLAADEGBU: Is Jesus the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last or not?

OLAADEGBU: Do you now see that you believe in two Gods, the Almighty God and the Mighty God, no?

OLAADEGBU: You don't need to go far before you start to twist the word of God.

Whenever you see the "LORD" in all upper cases in the KJV it is almost the Hebrew word for "Yahweh", God's proper name. Compare that with Revelation 1:8 that says:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is, and who is to come, the Almighty."

Check out the OT in the book of Isaiah 41:4 that says,

"Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

So, you see when Jesus Christ keeps proclaiming that:

"I am the first and the last,"

He wants all to know that He is the God of the Old Testament, the Alpha and Omega, the one who spoke the heaven and earth into being, the one who searches the hearts and minds of people.

I hope you can now see the different aspects of Jesus Christ in the book of Revelation when compared to the OT which shows that He is the Almighty God. QED.

advocate666: These are lies peddled by enemies of Satan.
Satan gives freely. His greatest gift was the one he gave to mankind through Eve when she slithered on her bosom. The gift of knowledge. With knowledge comes wealth, health and happiness.
Did he ask Eve for anything in return? NO.
Who was making silly demands of Eve and punishing her sadistically without any gifts? god.
The evidence is all there for everyone to see. Or you can keep believing the lies fed you.

advocate666: Did he ask Eve for anything in return? NO.

Logicboy03: Hitler was not the only war general.


There was Himmler (A Nazi war general). Furthermore, gernans didnt wear armour of steel. They were not medieval knights.



You twist and turn and remix the rant to make it fit with history so that it becomes a prophecy. Try again.

Logicboy03: There is no evidence for the supernatural. None.
Example of something random; the weather.

The atmosphere is a chaotic system and that is why weather prediction is not always accuarate. The weather is affected by so many variables.


Just like the flight of a butterfly

mkmyers45: Atheism is the absolute non-belief in all Deities isn't it? Then that means that to you no god exist at the moment innit? Then its only logical to conclude that you search is over..if you discontend this then indeed your non-belief is not total...I then go on to ask Is the mechanics of the universe random in nature?

mkmyers45: How many religions/gods did you study to arrive at your unbelief?

Goshen360: In addition, the Gentile Christians (where we belong) were NEVER under the law in the first place. If I wasn't under the law in the first place or from the beginning, why teach me/us NOW to obey the law or be under the law?

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
For example, whenever non-Jews who don't have laws from God do by nature the things that Moses' Teachings contain, they are a law to themselves even though they don't have any laws from God. - Romans 2:14

New International Version (©1984)
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,

New Living Translation (©2007)
Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.

The Bible is written to three (3) different groups but mainly two (2), namely:

1. The Jews
2. The Gentiles
3. The Church (made up of both Jews and Gentiles).

It was ONLY the Jews the law was written to. Even to the Jews who have the law, the law had come to and End - Glory to God!

Pastor Kun: Even if the law was not abolished we as gentile christians have no business keeping it as the law was addressed strictly to the ancient Israelites and the Apostles made it crystal clear in the first church council(Acts 15) that THE LAW was not a part of the christian doctrine.

okeyxyz: So what exactly is fornication? I believe @JoAgbaje has an insight into what the bible regards as fornication. But you, like most people who read bible colloquially, you project modern day context unto bible words, still think fornication is simply sex between unmarried people. It might be useful to you to know that one of the definitions of fornication was the use of se.x as a pagan ritual to idols.

Snowwy: @Okeyxyz,
There is no argument here. We are just understanding it in our own ways.

The 'law of commandments contained in ordinances' is what was abolished and not the law of God. These are two different things. It is these ordinances commanded that requires an expose.

Snowwy: Hello Okeyxyz, Thanks for the response.
Did you do a pre-read of the verses that cumulated into Epehsians 2:15 and after that? Here, let me paste for you from Epehesians 2:11-17.



Kindly note the bolded, the enmity being talked about is nothing other than the 'wall' between the Jews and the Gentiles. Just like people hated the Samaritans and did not even talk to them but Jesus did. Jesus has now made peace due to the oneness of all who believe in Him. We are now one body in Christ. That is the peace.
That was what this scripture was talking about.
We all have access to Christ now regardless of those things that set the Jews apart like circumcision, things they should not taste or touch etc.
Paul (a jew) was talking to the Ephesians church (Gentile nation) that they are now one so all the commandments that set Jews aside from Gentiles has been abolished by Christ.
We are now one in Him.

@Joagbaje,
My little submission above. I would prefer the viewers read and understand it themselves that this is clearly nothing regarding abolishing the laws of God. Simply abolishing the 'Law of Commandments in Ordinances' that created the enmity/wall between the Jew and the Gentile. Please do your own study.

okeyxyz: @Joagbaje,
So if truly The Law is abolished and you are free from it, Do you still define your values of right and wrong according to the Law? eg: Is se.x without marriage between adults still a sin? If it is, then you(any christian) have have not really put away this law from yourself, you are still subject to it.

Logicboy03: See this guy......feeling some smooth talker!


Who cares if you were joking with Jesoul? I have never really talked or joked to you before.

Logicboy03: Which one be reasonableness?

Are you afraid that she'll become an atheist?

JeSoul: Oh wow this whole topic for only me one Logicboy gracias tanto!

Logicboy,
no controversy here - you're 1000% right that I've definitely changed from when I first came to NL in 2007. Infact, I will go a step further and say I'm also ashamed of some of the things I used to believe in - because they weren't borne of study but rather the blind following of tradition & hearsay. There is no shame in "changing your mind" as you acquire more knowledge and listen to diverse viewpoints. This is how we all grow in life and become better human beings. One of my favorite quotes of all time goes:

"one can only learn when he gives up the illusion he already knows"

and if I were to tell of some of the things concerning faith, religion, christianity that I quietly question in my heart everyday you'd probably think I've crossed over to your side lol. But to me honestly, faith is not being stuck in a rigid set of beliefs - but rather being comfortable with asking questions that may challenge those beliefs - and then adjusting those beliefs accordingly. I am comfortable saying "I don't know" to certain questions and being content with it. And after all the ceremonial dust from various doctrines/beliefs settles, one thing will always remain true for me - that Jesus came and died for my sins, and I will try to live my life after the greatest commandment - to love God & to love you (my neighbor) as I love myself. Tongues, tithes, hell, trinity, sabbath etc etc all fade sharply into the background in light of that commandment.

...thank you for all the kind words & compliments, my head is swelling . You all also help by keeping me in check so thanks to you too.

CrazyMan: And your piont is......

ogoamaka99: @logicBOY AND truth is light,
Please this discussion here are for matured men and not for KIDS(SMALL BOYS). When MEN are talking you have to keep quit. It is what i call your BOYISH ATTITUDE that make you KIDS to interrupt men when they are arguing by introducing irrelevances in a thread. BOY OH BOYS learn not to interrupt men when they are talking, it is a bad attitude.

Gracious10: You must reall be pissed to have posted multiple times.

I don't know where this argument started, am not here to change your mind cos I was that Myopic until I knew better.

All I get from your writeup is immense anger that these men of God are rich. I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that MOG are not mapped out for the poverty mission.
For the fact that you are a Christian doesn't make u poor.

You sound like you would have believed them better if they were poor and never preached prosperity. I still don't know when that part became a taboo for Christian/MOG.

I would also draw your attention to the fact that these men are BIz owners with divers well profiting businesses apart from the congregation they pastor.

Also the issue of tithing that you are crying about is biblical and I for one is reaping from obeying just that single principle! I knew what my Thomas of a life was before I saw better. Malachi 3:8-10. I was a rebel for all who paid tithe and the hatred you have for this issue wasn't more than mine.

Again because you read and interpret bible differently doesn't make the word of God lies. Heb 7:5. tithes are for priests and if a single MOG has more than enough members which means he is touching lives and people are paying attention to him. So he gets more tithe. Know it also that there are pastors who have been in ministry for years yet they still struggling with 20 members. Some also get into where they are not called cos the call of God comes with specific gifts, some can pray for healing while others deliverance.
The person with gift for deliverance cannot take the place.of that for healing. If Oyedepo mandate is prosperity, then that's what is it and as you have observed no pastor has beaten him to it. Those who ridiculed him are beginning to add that teaching to their messages. No Christian is meant to be poor. Christ died that I may have life and have it abundantly and prosperity is definitely included.

Also if these things were not working for individuals in his congregation, they wouldn't heed his teachings neither are they being forced to give. Know also all these things are done in faith, if one person makes a seed offering with faith, receives their healing and the other doesn't, whose fault do you think it is? ( I have personally asked a MOG to give me back my seed offering cos what I prayed for didnt happen) but you know, the bible says my people perish cos of lack of knowledge. I had thought because I gave all that money, there should be answers but God is not mocked, whatever u sow you reap! If you sow faithlessness, you reap unanswered prayers.

If you feel everyone of us is deluded then you got more work on your hands. While you are busy trying to cure our deluded minds, we are busy basking in the promises of Christ.

Logicboy03: Why do I doubt the truthfulness of your story?

musKeeto: Lol.. thank God say na English name.. imagine if dem say call am Akpos...
na Akposia d girl for answer... hehehe..

Image123: The scriptures state that the spirit and the soul depart from the body at death. Quickly on the spirit departing are these 3,
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Also on the soul's departure, we have,
Gen 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Ben-oni: but his father called him Benjamin.
1Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

When these something(s) leaves the body, it goes to a place of rest. The souls of some is spoken of as resting in the book of Revelation.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The passage talks of souls resting, which is in agreement with Jesus' views of sleeping, and His promise to give those who come unto Him rest. The afterlife is not just to sleep, but to have a good night rest. This state of rest and sleep is not the picture of running up and down, there is some restriction. Compare it with the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus is pictured in Abraham's bosom, a position of rest. He doesn't even say or do nothing in the account. But he is conscious, albeit in rest. A lot of things go on inside us when we rest/sleep. Some people have sweet dreams, the internal organs function and organise themselves better. A day is coming though, when Christ will wake up all, from their sleep. In that time, the spirit and soul will be rejoined to the body and the body will be changed.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

it's a mystery, but it will happen. The dead in Christ will rise first, then we, which are alive, will also be changed and will join them to forever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

As for now, they surround us as a cloud of witnesses. Like Ihedinobi said, and whose post i totally agreed to, they are like in the cinema house as viewers.

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
We are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses. These are dead saints, heroes of the faith, but they are witnessing. It is not a would be, it is present. God is not a God of the dead but of the living. The saints are alive. Jesus said, " And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." Death is not the correct representation of what happens. Some people are already dead in God's eyes, before they die. But for believers, they are ever alive. In the net testament, we are come, or have come to Mount Zion, to a lot of angels. It is not a matter of the future or for the future, we have come. To the general assembly. To the spirits of just men. To Jesus. To God. These are all in present tense, not a future hthing. We are before the spirits of just men, they are surrounding us as witnesses. This is what happens in the afterlife.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Destruction as used in the Word of God is not as
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Jesus died to destroy the devil. Is the devil now unconscious, or destroyed in the way we all perceive 'destroy'?
Even the work of God can be destroyed,according to the Bi
Zacharias was a prophet that perished in 2Chronicles 24. But as Bible students, we all know that that is not his end. I hope God gives us the grace to rightly divide his word, and give us more understanding and righteousness. So that, whatever may happen in the afterlife, we may be found worthy to stand before Him.

Image123: Quickly on the

Image123: ]Gen 35:18 And it came to pass, [b]as her soul was in departing, (for she died)

frosbel:


I cracked a Joke mate, lol. Let me repeat it here.

Logicboy is a spoilt brat from a rich family. His parents were too busy making money to worry about his moral upbringing. He has as a result , lost his moral compass and is descending into the abyss of nothingness.

Not exactly, but similar.

Anyway no insult intended , trust me, if I offended you apologies again.

aguiyi: woe unto them who say there is no God

CrazyMan: Do you want to burn in hell...why are you so concerned?

Pastor Kun: You are entitled to your deluded opinion, fact remains the bible has already condemned your idols and other religious merchants like them.

Pastor Kun: You are entitled to your deluded opinion, fact remains the bible has already condemned your idols and other religious merchants like them.

Goshen360: