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rhymz: The Gospel of Matthew (180 CE)
Although it was claimed by later Christian writers to be a “translation” of a manuscript written in Hebrew by the apostle Matthew, the Gospel of Matthew
did not exist prior to the end of the second century and was originally written in Greek. As Waite says:
The Greek Gospel of Matthew was a subsequent production, and either originally appeared in the Greek language, or was a translation of the Gospel of the Hebrews, with extensive changes and additions. There is reason to believe it to have been an original compilation, based upon the Oracles of Christ, but containing, in whole, or in part, a number of other manuscripts.

The gospel of Matthew is particularly noteworthy in that it contains the
interpolation at 16:17-19 not found in either Mark or Luke that gives authority to the Roman Church: To wit, the statement by Jesus that Peter is the rock upon which the
church is to be built and the keeper of the keys to the kingdom of heaven. The
appearance of this gospel determining Roman dominance corresponds to the
violent schism of 180-190 between the branches of the Church over the celebration of Easter.

It is clear that the canonical gospels are of a late date, forged long after the
alleged time of their purported authors. Such they are, and, as Doane says, “In these four spurious Gospels . . . we have the only history of Jesus of Nazareth.”

rhymz: THE CONTRADICTORY CREATION ACCOUNTS
Genesis 1:25-27
ANIMALS WERE CREATED BEFORE HUMANS
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.
HUMANS WERE CREATED BEFORE ANIMALS
Genesis 2:18-19
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
MAN AND WOMEN WERE SIMULTENEOUSLY CREATED
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
MAN WAS CREATED FIRST, THEN ANIMALS AND FINALLY WOMAN FROM MAN'S RIBS
Genesis 2:18-22
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
The bible is a 4cking joke when put under serious scrutiny of logic no wonder it requires its users to leave their brains in the hands of those phoney Pastors Reverends, Bishops, Prophets and co lest you your eyes will be open to jokes of contridictions rife in the bible. The bible is the greatest lie ever sold.

mkmyers45: Nansense.. He will surely violently turn and
toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a
large country: there shalt thou die,
and there the chariots of thy glory
shall be the shame of thy lord's
house. (Isaiah 22:18) meanwhile The Hebrew word Chug (גוח) means a flat-circle like a coin as the bible says. i doubt you study hebrew

TroGunn: The Bible is not a science text book, it's primarily a religious book. But whenever it touched on science, it's surprsing accurate and even against popular believe of the time of the writer.

A good example is on the shape of the earth when it was popularly thought to be flat. A spherical earth is described in Isaiah 40:21-22—“the circle of the earth.” Note, the Biblical Hebrew word for “circle” can also mean “round” or “sphere.”

charloski: not that am not a science guy, i love science... i was watch this clip about an EX church of Satan memeber... this guy said some things that really gave me a light bulb.. he said that wen he was there that he was told that the theory about the evolution about man by Charles Darwin was given to him by the devil... just to confuse human about the existence of GOD...... so can u imagine how many minds that theory has polluted.... that man was made from growing apes ... u self think am nah.....

mkmyers45: Are you afraid of stepping out of the box?

Freksy: My friend Delafruita, are you sure you really understand the meaning of 30 BC? It's difference from 30th Century BC.

Marcus Vitruvius Pollio was born c. 80–70 BC, died after c. 15 BC. He was a man of 1st Century BC. A man of 2nd Century BC was decades older than him.

Moses wrote the book of Job between 1657 and1473 BC, but you claim it was written in about 5th Century (c. 500 )BC. Remember, 1 Century = 100 years; 5th Century BC = 500 BC

Since Vitruvius explained the water Cycle in about 30 BC, and Moses wrote the book of Job in about 5th Century BC (about 500 BC), according to you. Therefore, Job's explanation of the water Cycle predated Vitruvius's by at least 500 - 30 = 470 years. Remember also that the time Job explained the water Cycle predated the time Moses wrote it. The truth is, Vitruvius did not even exist when Job explained the water cycle.

Below is the actual time the book of Job was written.

Name of Book: Job
Writer: Moses
Place Written: Wilderness
Writing Completed (B.C.E.): c. 1473
Time Covered (B.C.E.): Over 140 years between 1657 and 1473 B.C.E.

mkmyers45: Pi is 3.0? * "And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it about. (I Kings 7, 23)"

This would show that a diameter of ten cubits leads to a circumference of thirty cubits, yielding a value of 3.0 for the mathematical unit of Pi -- a value used in calculating everything from how to manufacture your coffee cup, to how to manage the pixels in your monitor, to the physics of the orbits of the satellites that give us the eye on the weather as well as tranfer data, etc. Well, the value is actually a transcendental number that starts 3.14159 . . .

mkmyers45: Ok I have created a thread for just you and i...

Here: https://www.nairaland.com/1050520/truthislight-come-show-us-truth

mkmyers45: He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

Delafruita: i have always suspected that you have poor comprehension skills.now i can confirm that its getting worse.someone claimed that the bible explained the water table long before vitruvius explained it.i decided to show him that the books of job,ecclesiastes and amos weren't written 1600years ago.they were actually written after vetrivius had explained the water table.hence the bible incorporated a phenomenon that had already been explained.how is that derailing the thread?

Delafruita: i have always suspected that you have poor comprehension skills.now i can confirm that its getting worse.someone claimed that the bible explained the water table long before vitruvius explained it.i decided to show him that the books of job,ecclesiastes and amos weren't written 1600years ago.they were actually written after vetrivius had explained the water table.hence the bible incorporated a phenomenon that had already been explained.how is that derailing the thread?

mkmyers45: He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

all4naija: Isn't the words in bold look like something made up too you? If you can figure that out it means the contradictory book is deceiving you, with all the odd information presented in it.

OLAADEGBU: The Trinity Explained.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUy-H5MmeGU

This videoclip explains the trinity in dimensions.

OLAADEGBU: This is an audio recording of the debate between a Christian and a JW's. You will see how the points raised by many anti trinitarians are similar to the ones raised by the JW's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFLXtyT3Tc

OLAADEGBU: You mean according to the Watchtower organization's view?

frosbel: If you follow me you will lose your job ooo ,

Anyway , I am going to take this Trinity issue down to the wire because the lives of many depend on knowing who God really is.

OLAADEGBU: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14).

Just as you would most likely find it difficult to understand the Chinese language because you were not born into a Chinese family so you may not understand the language of God because you know the third Person in trinity who is the author of the Bible.

OLAADEGBU: because you were not born into a Chinese family so you may not understand the language of God because you know the third Person in trinity who is the author of the Bible.

ijawkid: Olaadegbu it seems u lost ur dictionary while learning about the trinity and about God..

Let us see d definition of begotten or beget...

be·got·ten
[bih-got-n]

-v.
1. beget.


be·get
[bih-get]

-v.t.,
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.


........

If Christ wasn't created or caused then where did he come from??

Abi english don dey hard u??

Somebody did exist for Christ to be begotten.....

And u knw who that person is.....

The begotten can never be d same with the one who begets.....

mkmyers45: I am asking kindly..WHO wrote the book of Job and when?

mkmyers45: Ok, but the book of Jubilee actually works with a literal 6-day creation as pointed by Holy Ghost filled Olaadegbu...

mkmyers45: Oga mi no vex o but i am not a catholic o..poince of colection

mkmyers45: Genesis 11:1-9 The Tower of Babel
1 Now the whole world had one
language and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them
thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and
not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from
there over all the earth, and they
stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel —
because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the
face of the whole earth. Not only these verses are seriously very insulting to the Almighty because they present Him as a GOD who feared men, but they also reveal a very serious scientific blunder through suggesting that the earth is both flat and sitting still in the universe

mkmyers45: Why are you plainly trying to be hard-eared? Is Circle and Sphere the same? Common, In Genesis God alledgedly us one day to create the Stars and Planetary bodies as objects for signs...Me and you that is wrong

Delafruita: you intend to opine that people of the time were very dumb.however,knowledge has been prevalent since the biginning of the world.the people of the time might not have penned it perhaps because they had no need to.

secondly,you are assuming the bible was written during the time abraham,noah and the others were alive.you assume it was written during those savage years and you marvel at how they knew such things.however,the old was written much later.in case you didnt know,

"Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , book of Numbers and Deuteronomy - make up the Torah , the story of Israel from the Genesis creation narrative to the death of Moses . Few scholars today doubt that it reached its present form in the Persian period (538-332 BC) , and that its authors were the elite of exilic returnees who controlled the Temple at that time . The books of Joshua , Judges , Samuel and Kings follow, forming a history of Israel from the Conquest of Canaan to the Siege of Jerusalem c.587 BC : there is a broad consensus among scholars that these originated as a single work (the so-called " Deuteronomistic history) during the Babylonian exile of the 6th century BC. The two Books of Chronicles cover much the same material as the Pentateuch and Deuteronomistic history and probably date from the 4th century BC. Chronicles links with the books of Ezra and Nehemiah , which were probably finished during the 3rd century BC. Catholic and Orthodox Old Testaments contain two (Catholic Old Testament) to four (Orthodox) Books of Maccabees , written in the 2nd and 1st centuries BC.
The history books make up around half the total content of the Old Testament. Of the remainder, the books of the various prophets - Isaiah , Jeremiah , Ezekiel , Daniel and the twelve " minor prophets " - were written between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, with the exceptions of Jonah and Daniel , which were written much later. The "wisdom" and other books - Job , Proverbs and so on - date from between the 5th century BC and the 2nd or 1st BC, with the exception of some of the Psalms "

in essence,they actually wrote based on the prevailing knowledge of the time

mkmyers45: When and Who wrote the book for us to say how old and magnificent it was...

mkmyers45: Its not true..Hebrew had a word for sphere/ball - Dur (רוד)

mkmyers45: Yes the bible did try but not without obvious mistakes Is the earth flat/stationary? Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. 2. (Prov 8:26-27 NRSV) when he had not
yet made earth and fields, or the
world’s first bits of soil. When he
established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, 3. (Dan 4:10-11 NRSV) Upon my bed this
is what I saw; there was a tree at the center of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew great and strong, its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the ends of the whole earth. ...

mkmyers45: is what I saw; there was a tree at the center of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew great and strong, its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the ends of the whole earth. ...

MacDaddy01: First of all, you are a fake christian. I just warned you to stop insulting me and because you are too arrogant to confess that you were wrong to call me unreasonable without any proof or evidence, you repeat your false accusations again. You sir are a douchebag of Dinesh Desouza's calibre!
How can you even imply that I am so foolish and lacking in humility that I can not even see where I am unreasonable (if even I am) if you point it out?
You have some issues, bro.


Secondly, if you dont know the purpose, then why claim that the purpose is not evil? Is that an argument from ignorance?
Your foolish counter is to say that since God is good/just his purpose must be just. Unfortunately, your bible also describes God as a jealous smiter. According to your bible, God is both good and evil therefore, your claim that god is just fails. Another problem with your god is just theory is that God has never been just in the bible from punishing both Adam and Eve for innocence while allowing the devil to murder Jobs family

If god is just, then he cant be merciful. Two contradictory characters.



Your analogy fails. End of story. Atheists always say that they will believe if there is evidence. So, you are the one entering a debate on the wrong foot. You bring no evidence and want us to assume based on faith your arguments are valid? Are you mad?

MacDaddy01: Yawn.

Just suck Mr. Anony's D1ck and get over your cheerleading.

I have already warned Anony not to call my arguments unreasonable without showing where they are unreasonable, yet you barge in and claim that my comments are unreasonable.

Are you a troll or just foolish?