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Goshen360: When Adam was confronted with his sin, he immediately passed the blame onto the woman, who immediately passed the blame onto the serpent. Yet, when the Serpent (Satan) was confronted with his sin, he offered no excuse. The closer you are to truth (i.e., God) the less you can make excuses. Satan, though not right with God, does walk in the very presence of God (Job 1:6-7). Because he walks in the very presence of such great light, there is nowhere to hide the truth and thus pass the buck.

If, as creatures of choice, we allow Satan to beguile us (as he did Eve - II Cor 11:3) into trying to invent some kind of happiness for ourselves apart from God, we will find ourselves (as did Adam and Eve - Gen 3) unhappy and without God. We know snakes don’t eat dust; they eat rodents, other reptiles, and insects. Skeptics and infidels, however, love to use this verse to point out the “discrepancies” of the Scriptures. “Dust thou shall eat” is simply a pun. It’s another way of saying that snakes are built low to the ground. It’s like saying, “She’s cute as a button.” We know people aren’t buttons. It’s just a play on words.

What’s amazing is how much time and effort skeptics and infidels actually waste trying to prove the Scriptures inaccurately. If something is or isn’t true and it doesn’t affect eternity, why waste precious time fighting it?

Just to add to the serpent issue.

Adam in the garden was not asked to eat meat but was later asked to eat meat after the flood of noah,

that God did explained the new standard to noah does not change the fact that when man was perfect and connected(close) to God he had no need to eat other animal.

This is a change to human perfection and his food, why is it not then possible for a change to the serpent also?

It is not because the serpent is close to the ground but rather a change in the nature of the serpent and it food.

Peace.

debosky: I did read it, did you state how many 'firsts and lasts' there were in scripture?

More importantly, I have shown that, in the OT, the term first and last referred to Jehovah alone - so why is that term suddenly different in Revelations?

is first and the last a "name" as in exclusive or it is contextual?

debosky: It is under dispute by ijawkid - did Moses do exactly the same thing as what Jesus did as saviour? That is the question here. You may claim I am 'twisting' words here, but I am not - I have simply quoted what Ijawkid has said.

Simple yes or not to the above question will suffice.

hanging on to "straws".

the point is that their are many "saviour" at different levels, on this note, Jesus christ is a greater saviour, if their are many "saviour", why cant Yahweh the Initiator of salvation not qualify for the title saviour?

debosky: I don't know whether the ability to comprehend posts is now optional.

This is what ijawkid said:



If it is the EXACTLY THE SAME thing but on a grander scale, then Moses provided eternal life just as Jesus did, but Jesus provided it to more people.

seeing the word "grander" seems to be optional to you.

aletheia: In order that the brethren might not be deceived by your shenanigans. . .and misplaced labeling. If sure of what you claim, is there any need to appeal to multiple poor bible translations - that is often a tactic to confuse the weak-minded. For example, does the letter Z occur anywhere in the Greek NT? Do the words Alap and Tau occur as well?

Call the KJV whatever name you wish. . .it is however clearly established that the reliable English NT are translated from the received Greek manuscripts. So we shall go to the Textus Receptus to see what is actually written in the Greek manuscript in Rev 1:8:
Rev 1:8 εγω ειμι το α και το ω αρχη και τελος λεγει ο κυριος ο ων και ο ην και ο ερχομενος ο παντοκρατωρ
Transliterated it reads as follows:

egō (G1473) eimi (G1510) ho (G3588) A (G1) kai (G2532) ho (G3588) Ō (G5598) archē (G746) kai (G2532) telos (G5056) 
I           am           the        Alpha  and         the       Omega     beginning    and         end           
legō (G3004) ho (G3588) kurios (G2962)    
says         the        Lord
ho (G3588) eimi (G1510) kai (G2532) ho (G3588) eimi (G1510) kai (G2532) ho (G3588) erchomai (G2064) ho (G3588) pantokratōr (G3841)
                                                                                                               the Almighty          

It is instructive to note that the word θεός (theos): God is not in the Greek Textus Receptus manuscript. . .It would therefore appear that contrary to what you would have us believe, the KJV translation of Rev 1:8 is the one which remains faithful to the received Greek text while the multiplicity of versions which you posted added a word, probably based on their dependence on the Westcort-Hott Greek text. For one such as you who has railed so much against the Roman Catholic Church, this is ironic given that:

It turns out that it is the versions which you hold up above that turn out to be "Catholic cultic" with their reliance on the Westcort-Hort text, rather than the KJV!

What I have written is easily verifiable by anyone consulting the Textus Receptus Greek manuscript and historical works pertaining to Westcort and Hort.

Imagine! You that dont want people to be deceived have quoted a language that they cant read!
How deceitful you are!

Those that are expert in the greek language have gone through that scripture over and over and did come to the conclussion that the kjv is in error and decided what is right, but it is those that cant cant speak greek that u have brought it to again.
Do they speak Greek or they speak 1. English, 2. Hausa, 3. Igbo, 4. Yoruba.

Still the old same deceit.

Pastor Kun: It still beats my imagination how despite all the overwhelming evidence presented on this thread which effectively debunks the trinity myth, trinitarians are still trying their best to twist the bible and make it say what it doesn't say Of what use is belief in the trinity concept to the faith of you guys? The bible doesn't teach it so why add it? What exactly is the spirit behind people insisting on adding to scriptures?

to misdirect people away from the true God Yahweh and lead them to death.

Satan wont rest you know?

debosky: I am not struggling with any logic brother, neither am I confused. It is your brother ijawkid who is trying to invent a 'saviour of saviours' - a term foreign to the bible.

It is you who is trying to create a separation between The Father and Jesus in calling Jesus 'a god'.

Let me provide one more reference:
John 10:

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

*sigh*

a bloody trinitarian that started by lying that he is not a trinitarian and should not be "tag as such"

aletheia: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [Rev 1:8]

Rash and impulsive as ever. . .

No, you are the one that is rash here, the title Alpha and Omega is an exclusive of Yahweh. No?

debosky: Now saving Israel from the Egyptians is the SAME as saving mankind for eternity?

This is the last time I will ask the question - can you show where the bible says Yahweh is Jesus' saviour? Responding to the rest of your posts is futile - just answer this one question please.

you are a dishonest liar.
He said that Jesus is a saviour on a "grander" scale but you refuse to see that and repeated this lame question here.

debosky: Let's not play with words - if the bible tells us 'who the initiator of salvation' is, please share the scripture.

The bible says Jehovah is the only saviour, the bible also says Jesus is the saviour.

Frosbel answered this question perfectly well,

that he Yahweh is the Initiator of salvation, so that makes Yahweh the "primo" of salvation or saviour.

Jenwitemi: Why the long epistle and mathematical equations? It is not rocket science, bro; spirit + soul + body = LIFE. So simple.

definitely not base on the bible? No

chukwudi44: Ol man it is obvious you do not know anything about the history of the church.There was nothing like the see of the catholic church.What we had was differant sees of the catholic church among which were Rome,alexandria,carthage,antioch e.t.c

All these churches were part and parcel of one catholic church before the schisms.

No bishop did oppose the supremacy of the roman see prior to these schisms.The supremacy of st peter was a generally accepted across the entire churches prior to the schism

^^^
which peter?

Peter was no pope of any RCC.

Stop the lies!

Enigma:

The whole of this post had me genuinely laughing.

My dear friend Frosbel is more than just a protestant . . . .

zikky is playing too too much of a clown this days.

Imagine him saying you cant draw him to that thread "in Jesus name"
lol

chukwudi44: Please don't derail this thread if you want us to discuss this we can continue from the last thread which you shamelessly abandoned after your own trick was used against you.

look at this liar that said that timothy wrote the book of timothy is here again spreading his lies!

He does not know anything other the copy from RCC archives and post distorted history.

When will you start having a life?

*sigh*

Ubenedictus: actually constantine had no vioce in the council of nicea, silience was self and collectively imposed upon him because he wasnt a priest nor a bishop. Constantine was voiceless in that council.

^^^

this is like saying that Nig. President GEJ will be silent at a meeting of priest and will have no influence.

How sheeple!

haibe: Lol, i now see what the watch tower has done to you, So it was an angel that later went to destroy sodom and gomorrah after leaving abraham? Nice one.

My bro, please read your bible well, frosbel i think you can help ijawkid, seems you have a better understanding than him in this aspect.

Was the LORD used in those texts referring to an angel?

Imagine!

Better change your ways.

haibe: 1 face, 1 back, 1 hand.

Now my Question is how come Moses saw God even when Jesus stated that no man has seen the father "at any time" except him ?

may Yahweh and his son forgives you.

This is what satan does to people.

They loss the fear of God and his son.

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom".

haibe: Anti-trinitarians you may like to give an explanation on this post, i cant find ijawkid again.

I see, limited knowledge is really your problem, you dont know that most persons has Gone pass this your low level.

haibe: "When Abram was ninety-nine years old the LORD
APPEARED to Abram and said to him, ‘I am God
Almighty; walk before me, and be blameless, …’ When he
had finished talking with him, God went up from
Abraham." Genesis 17:1, 22

"God spoke to Moses and said to him, ‘I am the LORD. I
APPEARED to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God
Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make
myself known to them.’" Exodus 6:2-3

"And Stephen said: ‘Brothers and fathers, hear me. The
God of glory APPEARED to our father Abraham when he
was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,’" Acts 7:2

Anyone who believes the word of God should therefore have no problem accepting the
Bible’s clear teaching that on at least one occasion Yahweh
appeared to Abraham as a man who then left him to destroy
Sodom and Gomorrah.

PS: No man has seen the father at anytime_Jesus Christ(John 6:46)

what are you up to?

Hahaha, i cant really laugh. You mean Jesus had lied?

Let me help you.

John 1;18, "no man has seen God at any time but the only beggoten son who is in the bosom of the father has explained him"
^^^
are you saying that Jesus was lying?

Well, my Jesus dont lie, get that! ?

In the OT Yahweh made use of messengers to represent him most of the times as can be seen below,

Exodus 23:20,21 ;
"here i am sendinding an angel ahead of you on the and to bring you ahead of where you are going............ Because my "NAME" is withing him"

here, Yahweh is delegating an angle on the basis of his name, and can bear his name as a representative.

So, at same Exodus 24:9-11, we read;
And Moses and Aron and Nadab and Abihu the seventy of the older men of Israel proceeded to go up and the got to see the God of Israel and ............. he did not put his hand against the distinguish men.......

Exodus 33:17-23
note Vers 20; "And he(Yahweh) added, you are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live".

Now young man, what do you think?

Do you still think that Jesus was lying? No.

Like i started from chapter 23 of Exodus where Yahweh delegated an angle to lead the sons of Israel , hence, we know who appeared to moses and the seventy men,
the rep. Of Yahweh(Angel bearing Yahweh name, 23:21)

that is why after the appearance to the seventy up on the mountain moses knew what happened And kept/continued asking to see Yahweh Exodus 33:18

but, like Vers 20 of chapter 33
Yahweh repeated that "no man can SEE MY FACE AND YET LIVE", why?

Because all along what that has been appearing to human are Yahweh's Angels as REPRESENTATIVES.

So, please, dont try to say that our lord Jesus christ had lied since he knew quite well what had happen? In the past.

John 1:18, No man had seen God at any time but the only beggoten son has explained him.

If you respect Jesus you will not sin.

Jenwitemi: I don't do bible and neither do i need it. I can THINK for myself. When i said that man is a trinity, i meant man consist of SPIRIT, SOUL and PHYSICAL BODY. That is the trinity right there. If your bible says otherwise, let us all hear it.

and Adam came to be a living "soul", that is, Adam came to "life"
Note, soul = life

so, what that give life are;

body + spirit.

The body being the mold from the ground, the kickstarter that animat the mold is the spirit of God, and we have "life"(soul)

Adam came to be a living soul

body + spirit = soul

nothing like soul was put into the man but rather, the person(body and spirit) is the soul.

The bible says, when the spirit goes out he goes back to the ground.

That is, no spirit the body slums and decayed back to the ground.
From dust to dust.

The spirit being the live force from God sustain by breathing.
Eg, Consider a light bulb,

bulb + current = light(soul)

the light does not exist "independently" without the bulb.

light was not put into the bulb but the combination of the bulb and current produce the light.

So, we have two part body and spirit that make up the man.

Any part you wish tell me i will provide the scripture.
Peace.

Image123: where are you going? you wan run leave plap for hia like frosb ba?

nope, am very much around.

Ihedinobi: God's mouthpiece, se I don find you trouble. Abeg I no de here o.

God's mouth piece is Jesus christ.

And the bible is his word?

Freksy: The above assertion is baseless and is a huge LIE. The truth is what you have been told by ijawkid. The begetter is not = the begotten. The former is always greater than the latter.

Isaac was "the only begotten son" of Abraham. He was not = Abraham, his father.

"By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son," -Hebrews 11:17 (NKJV)

What Abraham did as describes by Paul at Hebrews 11:17 was a demonstration of what God would do to redeem man.

Abraham, the father of Isaac, represented Yahweh, our heavenly father.

Isaac, the only begotten son of Abraham, prefigured or represented Jesus, the only begotten son of Yahweh.

The only begotten son of Abraham was not = Abraham. Similarly, the only begotten son of Yahweh is not = Yahweh

trinitarians will use their hands and loose God's kingdom if they dont leave trinity and allow their eyes to be open.

If Ola was an honest person will he not have found out this translations and compare for himself?

Your life is in your hand and on your head.
Peace

studM: if u believe the fact that man is a 3 dimensional being(spirit,soul and body)while then do u find it hard to believe that GOD is also a 3 dimensional being?when He says he creates us in His own image

can you prove that from the scriptures?

exago: The issue here is not to attck men of GOD, but to dissuade people from worshiping men, and give the Saviour of Souls HIMSELF, JESUS the place HE deserves.

that is if he is feeding them the truth then they will see the light, but ant they deceitful?

mkmyers45: People worship this dude even on NL so its not suprising...he may not be aware [i doubt] but shouldnt he have people on the ground to checkmate all these?

what then does he teach his followers that make them so bankrupt mentally?

Is he feeding them well and yet they are still malnurish and cant tell their left from their right?

Jenwitemi: I don't know what God is, but i know for sure that MAN is a trinity.

and how did you come to know this?
Do you mind shearing the bible quotation with us?

Has to be base in the bible you know?

(hope its not just what you have heard from people)

Image123: did i offend you somewhere? you seem to have the hots for me, I'm male o.

lol,
dont support what is bad, Tithing is not for christian.

Christian giving is voluntary, no compulsion. Bye.
Peace

Image123: you're dancing, where are the Bible passages that say heaven is filled up with 144000

there is no bible passage that say heaven is filled up.

Ihedinobi: lol @both highlighted. Finally, Frosbel, firmly in JW camp. And you accuse me and my brothers of polytheism. What a laugh.

can you disproved him from the bible that it is not what the bible says? No, you cant.

haibe: Nope u are actually the one defending the undefendable, the trinity is clear in the scriptures, u guys just wont accept.

liar!

Where did you get that idea from?

This thread shows that the trinity is false and you jump to the lying conclussion that it is being defended?

Shows how deceitful you guys are

haibe: @ijawkid i tôt u once claimed the hebrew manuscipts had upper case letters only, now to suit urself, u mention a lesser lord and a LORD.. Funny you.

Ijawkid dont be ignorant, if christ submitted to the father doesnt mean he is a lesser god.

If ur mum submit to ur fathers authority, does that make her less human??

dont let this cause you your short at everlasting life.
Leave the trinity and it will leave you.

You are defending the undefendable.

Just imagine the question you ask on this context?

Turning the whole scriptures upside down.