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Chrisbenogor: Truthisdarkness,
I dunno what you are toking oh
No be only motor body mscheeeeeew.

ok

Chrisbenogor: BROS ABEG DREXXX
Which one is concernt to the truth
Does this look like Nollywood? or are you a learner

Hehehehe, ok, i must have meant to write 'consent'.

Well, if you got the msg, good, if you could not, in that case, i cannot help you.

Peace.

P.s: Leave weiting dem write for motor body enter motor, else, you will not reach your destination

these is what the bible says about men in the OT and what happend to all of them, and Jesus knew this, hence he said, no man has ascended to heaven.

See:

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." (Hebrews 11:9-13).
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These faithful men of faith all died 'without receiving the promised', but all awaited the city having real foundation whose maker and builder is God.

OLAADEGBU: When did Enoch die?

"For by it the elders obtained a good report." (Hebrews 11:2).

The list of faithful men that pleased God, note what the bible says about them:

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11:4-5). Abraham, Serah, Etc etc etc.

"These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." (Hebrews 11:13).
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Note: these ^ 'all' died!

Keep deluding yourself that Enoch and Elijah are in heaven. When Jesus that came from Heaven said NO man had ascended into heaven:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).
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The traditional institutions called Religion, though claiming christianity is actually opposed to the bible in many instances as to conform to traditional beliefs.

GeneralShepherd: Is this some sort of contest for you? I'm not interested in a god debate bro! Happy New Year man

Ok, since you dont know anything about God, i can understand now.

Good talking to you ?

GeneralShepherd: Since I officially dumped the idea of a god, I haven't seen my parents. I went home this christmas,it was a wonderful holiday for me,little did I know my mum was hurting deep down inside!

She called me today being the 1st of January 2014 and started telling me how she asked Yahweh to give her a son after she had four girls(who are all married) which He did according to her. She told me how she has barely slept most nights in the pasy year because of my atheism. Also said it might lead her to her early grave if I continue living without god.

My dilemma is I can't pretend about god and the bible,yet I don't want my mum to die or have sleepless nights! When people read the bible the smile on face shows I don't believe any of it, when I try to pray I feel like I'm mad talking to myself or like a kid talking to Barney and friends!

How do I undo what has been done! How do I unknow what I know about god and religion? How do I ignore the inconsistencies?

I love my mum so much and will gladly become a sheeple for her to be happy

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What do you know about God ?

Chrisbenogor: We would not want to derail this thread now and deny these esteemed Nairaland professors their space, do you not just feel good when you see people arguing over observations, facts, scientific research? I am sure the pages of Nairaland would not be enough for you to explain how clay was moulded or how clay allegorically means something else or how crawling by the serpent really meant the slow moving motion of a rolls royce phantom. . Arguing over the mechanisms of evolution does not throw the theory out of the window just yet.
As for your creation story, its a myth.......deal with it

Though i cannot stick out my neck for most of the etheist on NL other then you, for your case, i can vouch that you will be the last to consent to the truth on NL.

Your living left handedly has been seen through for what it is for a very long time now.

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BraveGuy: Excellent comment!

Since the fall of Adam, No man has ever lived for a DAY!

OLAADEGBU: What about Enoch, how old do you think he is?

What is the use of this ^ question ?

Did Enoch lived more than a thousand years ?

See:

"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:" (Genesis 5:21-23).
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From that ^, it is Obviouse that Enoch lived > 365yrs, less than a thousand years that is aday in the site of Yahweh.

Who then needs this sugestion below ?

OLAADEGBU: It's not too late to go to the cross for mouth cleansing.

Smh for you.

Atigba: Religion can make someone mad

Atigba: May God bless the pope

https://www.nairaland.com/atigba/posts

are you a catholic ?

*catholic faith and atheism, very synonimous*

roqchiq: @truthislight......which bible is he using? The one the Roman Catholic church gave the world? Abi there's another one?

Everytime you want to attack the Catholic Church you dig out the bible, why not use the koran or another holy book not compiled by the same church? Stop deceiving yourselves, the scriptures written by the prophets of old were compiled into what is known as the bible by the church. Do you actually believe that only 66 books were written? Those were the books you accepted, the catholic bible has more. And yet even more were not included, and still more are being discovered.

How many of the rites of the old testament do you practise, including passover which even our Lord Jesus Christ himself, practised. You people are beginning to sound like the pharisees and saducees, yapping about stuff you do not understand, and quoting scriptures you cannot begin to fathom.

I will refer you to ''the gospel of james'', sorry it's not in the bible, google it and read. There are many other such books, educate yourselves, find out the origin of your ''bible'', ask why some books were included and others were not. If you really want to liberate a people, find out the roots of their beliefs. Learn from, The whites that carted away your idols, and left you floundering and grasping desperately at the offered panache, whose roots you couldn't ascertain, and you are still floundering, thats why you jump from church to church to mosque to shrine.

Find a place and settle firmly, every being has a place. I have found mine in the Catholic Church, i will say my 'hail marys' without fear of ridicule, i'll say my 'our fathers' without fear of castigation, i will seek the intercessions of ''saints'' who are alive in Christ, i will welcome the 'holy spirit' as per the example of 'mary', least i flounder. Or you can go to judaism(no offence intended please) and await your saviour!

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Kay 17: "Who is behind it" one of the most biased questions possible.

Organisms are said to be primed with the instinct to survive, that instinct coupled with the environment (includes predators and landscape) form a mechanism through which the fittest survive.

The fittest organisms beat poorer ones in this grand competition, to battle for scarce resources and reproduce. Every biological advantage possible is used, and mutation provides this ammunition.

Who said anything about chance :/

No no no no.

Lives forms competed for Gender, male and female

Is this addressed to the blind ?

Kay 17: Deepsight, you are jumping the gun here.

Those explanations and theoretical models are scientifically valid, and bear consistency with the overall theory of evolution and diversity of life. The evolution of sexes must have been an advantage, and to ward against deletrious mutations.

Advantage in man's sex, advantage in the sex of monkeys, dongs, goats, insects, birds, fishes, reptiles, crocodiles, hippos and chimpanzees. All male and female.

this evolution is so so so very very very very practical and intelligent with exceptional vision.

Kay 17: and bear consistency with the overall theory of evolution and diversity of life.

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^^^, yeah True!

Go tell that ^ to the blind.

Only a blind man that cant see can accept such.

But for those that can see, i mean realy see and comprehend what he sees in his environt, the obvious is glarering.

Have a nice day Key 17

POPE II: Where is the moderator to close this thread? Who is this one to say Catholicism must b reformed? Is it not an attack to the holy church?

What is wrong with the thread ?

He is making use of the bible to point out what he feels is not consistent with the stand of Rcc and what is writen, if you feel he is on the wrong, the riight thing to do is to correct him. No ?

What then is the use of the scriptures if not to correct and to teach ?

Why are we on NL if not to learn and all thread you dont like is to be closed ?

@ Pope11

Is the Mod Mynd an RCC member or rather, do you 'think' he is an RCC member ?

With the way you guys are going with him, you are making us to wonder if!

JMAN05: @ Rudedough
I know you ve gotten a basis to flaunt ur ego. well sincerity is better than insincerity to which you display.

As it were, Yahweh is the owner of the Bible, the Book of Yahweh is an honest book that repored the story as it were.

Can satan do the same ?

Can satan give an account of his activities honestly like that ?

The answer is obvious, the deceitful one that operate in the dark cannot give an honest account like this.

There is no basis to compare Yahweh with the deceitful one

^^^, true! "All you see in the bible".

Yeah, like seeing the word 'kill' in a sentence and shouting murder! Ignoring the context.

You most be a genius.

Deep Sight: Exactly. This is so so so so TRUE.

Especially of Plaeton.

Thinking about it, I came to recognize that the spectre of something like GOD, with all its transcendent and other-worldly implications, is genuinely frightening for many people (even for me!) and this pushes many people to rebel fanatically against it's existence as a result of desperate existential FEAR.

But in so doing, they fail to see that they actually rebel against their own existence.

Human spirits they are, and human spirits they will always be.

I came to this genuine recognition - of FEAR!

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Well, we cannot all keep on allowing and prefering to stick our heads into the sand due to the obviouse that we wish to avoid, should we ?

Is that ^ rational ?

There comes a time we should tell ourselves the truth, the home truth i think.

Logicboy03: Deepsight fails to understand that it is not a question of if the body systems evolved...it is a question of how. Scientists aint questioning if the systems evolved...they are puzzled on how it evolved

Oh Sharrap!

It evolves and gives you a protruding pen.is and evolved and gave the woman a dept intruded vagina for the pen.is to enter.

Is not this "evolution" so so very very intelligent ? Smh. Thats not even all.

The books have not yet been open on this yet, yet still, my spine chills.

Well, every body cannot be like you.

Your fears are not contagious to all, but withing your circle.

The fear is so obvious that it is tangible to touch from here.

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Oh come on. What you printed on screen is a quoted post. And not a new post.

The original post must have been from you, in an effort to reply you, he quoted your post with the bible portion and not that he was the originator of the post.

Check your post on 9:19pm on Dec.29

You must have a dubious mind, you are very much at ease to twist and lie.

Yahweh have no interest on such people.

Clean your self and mind from all this deceit and lies and be honest for goodness sake!

Smh for some people. Anything goes, "No God to judge me". Smh.

[quote author=frank3.16]Ok i get u, they were wrong, they therefore deserve to die[/quote]Yahweh was the judge, if he says they should die, so be it.

There was a time that moses said that those for Yahweh should move to one side and those against Yahweh should move to the other side.

What happend then ? Many moved to the side against Yahweh.

So, it was more than what that meets the eyes.

They asked for a calf to worship the devil, hence the Devil had a say in the actions of those rebbels that were against Yahweh and Moses and murmuring against them to thwart Yahweh's plans.

So, if Yahweh decided to kill them, so be it, he knows better.

Peace.

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[quote author=frank3.16]Ok i get u, they were wrong, they therefore deserve to die[/quote]What kind of food will you have and preserved in a war condition and on the move ?

What kind of food will you have on transit ?

Was it a supposed party time ?

Be realistic men

Being a child or servant of the devil is not optional, it is inherent in what one does.

Image123: i'm not trying to make him feel bad. Does the doctor try to make one feel bad by telling the truth of one's condition? A human is either a child oof God or a child oof the devil, there is no sitting on the fence.

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16).

OlaoChi: calling someone a liar and son of the devil just in attempt to make the person feel bad or what?

Good one bro.

The red below says it all.

There will be effort to help the person first.

If the person is repentant, he will not be sent out, but rather help to stand.

Alwaystrue: It depends. Some scriptures below show that but there must have been several warnings to desist from such if this is to be taken up:

Matthew 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican


I Corinthians 5:1-2,6
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Oyinprince: If u do dat to an erring member, where else does he/she get correction his/her mistakes? where else wuld he kip learnin the truth?

So, it is God that will bend his standard instead of humans bending ? Smh.

Keep deluding yourself.

Christ openly said he will denie somepeople.

This are your vain opinions.

masonkz: What right do you have to excommunicate someone?

Who does the "Church" belong to? The pastor or Jesus? And if the latter, then what would Jesus do?

Excommunicate?

"I wrote unto you in an epistle not to keep company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat with him. For what have I to do with judging those outside ? do not ye judge them that are withing ? But them that are outside God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." (1 Corinthians 5:9-13).

Goshen360: One thing I know is, today's church is still far from Christ like Christianity. Christ never taught such neither the Apostles. Until we understand Christ-like Christianity, we will continue to promote religion thinking we're doing God a favour. The Christ I know, will never excommunicate any of His followers - that's the Christianity of Christ.

Nope!

Disfellowshiping helps keep the congregation clean.

Satan was sent out of heaven to keep it clean, so, the congregation has to be kept clean, and the bible supports it and the congregation is to be protected also.

What that is not supproted is your own personal opinion.

Your kind of opinion is why christianity has turned to houses of prostitutes today.

Were you told that it is all kind of people that must enter the kingdom of God ?

Your opinion does not count, but rather what is written in the bible counts, or, do you have biblical evidences for your stance ?

Yes, christ asked for forgiveness, but unrepentant sinners are to be sent out, and that is what the bible teaches.

Peace.

Those Rebellious Israelite were just like you with bad mouth.
Abusing Moses.

What did they need a calf for worship for ?

Even your post shows there was food.

See the red.

rudedough: Numbers 21:5
they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!”

You only see what you wanted to see.

[quote author=frank3.16]He gave them meAt and bread, they complained so he killed them. They deserved death because they complained?
Let me ask u, if u complain to ur fAther that u dont like d food u ate last night and he flogs u mercilessly for complaining, wont u shout 'i am sorry dad, i wont complain again!!'?[/quote]This were people revolting against Moses leadership and not just for food.

This rebels had leaders pushing them on.

Was it also hunger that made them to build a cafe for worship also ?

They had food, they were only making trouble for Moses.

Dont forget they had not gotten to the promise land yet o.

When they got to the promise land and hard no food, yes, but in transit they were asking for another God ? Smh.

Well, they themselves said they were wrong.

[quote author=frank3.16]Oh please... Satan took what? Yawah senT him to earth(and nt jupiter or mars) after he challenged him in heaven.
Why then is ur god still struggling with him? He challened him in heaven and is still winning d battle on earth.
How does this ever make sense to u my wise friend.[/quote]Am talking about what satan "got from Yahweh when he challenge Yahweh in heaven", but rather, what he got from Adam in the gardem of Eden, when Adam obeyed satan instead of Yahweh.

Have you ever wondered who will have been greater than Adam on earth today had Adam not disobeyed Yahweh and ate the fruit and died ? No one will have been greater than Adam, Adam will have become the Number one personage on planet earth amongst humans.

But that was what he handed over to satan when he Adam obeyed satan instead of Yahweh.

For obeying Satan, this was the result:

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16).
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Hence, from that, satan became the master of Adam and all his children afterward.

That is why it was necessary to buy man back from satan.

And satan forfeitted all that when under his watch an Innocent man was killed, he forfeitted all what he got from Adam back to christ, since he was the ruler of the world.

Satan knows how this things works very well, that was why he repeated same things again to Jesus christ > "turn stones to bread", "jump down from temple", when Jesus refuses, he opened up and offere him all the kingdom of the world that he got from Adam if Jesus will do an act of worship to him:

"And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for all this has been delivered to me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine." (Luke 4:5-7)

rudedough: Bro you should go sit down somewhere and nurse your wounds cos i just gave you something they call TKO in boxing. Don't come here with your useless apologetic rants.

Lol.

They had food, but they Murmured, i said that befor.

Did they not have food ?

Yes or no ?

You got the gist wrongly, the passages was talking about the wrongs and error of the sons of Israel, you Jump on it wrongly.

If it was that there was no food, then you have a case.

They themself said they had food.

Dont forget that the murmuring was masterminded by some people o.

If saying you give a TkO will make you happy, then, be my guess, but that will not chagne the reported case that you posted, any body can lie for his own defence

so, if you have a nagging wife you must be a bad husband.

I thought there was a time that there was no food and the people complained and Yahweh killed them ?

Yahweh gave them meat, they complain and talked about Egypt, Yahweh gave them bread and they complained.

It was not that there was no food but that they murmur and talked about Egypt that they had cried in slavery to be freed.

Are you justifying their error of murmuring because slavery was better than freedom ?

If they were freed from slavery and they murmured and wished for slavery, how can you justify their muring for cucumber even though Yahweh gave them manner from heaven ?

I put it to you that they were not lacking food and asking for food to feed but they were ingrates that keep complainingg and murmuring against moses and Yahweh.

I trust Yahweh that he is a God of Justice than you that is posting out of contex.

rudedough: The Israelites complain about food and water and God killed them.

Numbers 21:4-5

They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea,[a] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; 5 they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!”

6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.



Exodus 16:3
3 The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the Lord’s hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.”

"And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people." (Numbers 21:5-7).

Your lying precedes you Rudedough!

I thought they had no food ?

Another mans bread is another mans poison. Yahweh gave them bread they complained, Yahweh gave them meat, the complained.
Was slavery better ?

Judge for yourself.

For you anything that seems like an error of Yahweh but not his error is an error of Yahweh.

Keep dancing, what that is playing the music for you is in the bushes.

This bread that they are complaing is the same manna from heaven, it is they one they had rushed and enjoyed initially o.

You will not post that part.

Well, the people themself admitted their error toward Yahweh.

Keep trying to support error.

Slavery was better indeed you say. How true is that your statement ? Oh, since Yahwah was concern, slavery is better.

Well, Yahweh allowed both sides of the issues to be written so that we can judge for our selves, both side of the issues.