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thehomer: Read your Bible and see what Satan told Eve. He told her that she wouldn't die but would become wise and she didn't die.

^^^^
you need to take in more knowledge from the bible to be sure of what you are saying/know.

Half knowledge is Dangerous.

Now,

Adam lived 930yrs.

But we know that God one(1) day = 1000yrs

1. 2peter 3:8 = a day(1) with God = 1000yrs with man.

2: psalm 90:4, a day pass with God = 1000yrs with man

3. A judgement "DAY" set by God is:
Acts 17:31 = 1000yrs judgement "DAY" to man Revelation 20:1-4.

Adam lived for 930yrs less 1000yrs.
less than a day

the issue of night and day is relative cus it is a function of the planet rotating as it goes round the sun and God see all irrespective of the country/continent.

So, while some places faces the sun the other are on the other side of it, this is not a barrier to God since his throne is in the heaven.
But to the humans This is night and day.

God's throne is in heaven.
When christ went back to God he ascended to the heaven leaving planet earth. God does not need the sun.

The bible says that those going to heaven will not have need for the moon/sun as a means of light since God will be their source of light, meaning that God does not need the sun as a reference point for his own time.
So, by God own time of 1day = 1000yrs to man Adam died same day.

Adam did not lived up to a day just as God said, He died that day.

Satan is the liar he is the father of the lies.

The problem again is that he blinds people from seeing him for who he is 2corinthians 4:4

peace

rhymz: My friend stop pretending like you know anything about what you are blabbing about. Go and do your research on the origins of the bible and see how foolish your boasful confidence is. Can you in all honesty tell anyone that there is a concrete evidence of Jesus christ ever existing? Thorough Research has been done towards unravelling the historicity of Jesus christ, instead more evidence continue to show that he never existed. All the accounts in the gospels are contradictory and have been found to be similar stories credited to god-men myths like zeus. Krishna. buddha, Horus and other pre-christian pagan gods. All of the canonical gospels do not have any known authors, all assumptions. Go ahead and check instead boasting in ignorance.

I have confirmed all those,

pls, stay on the topic.

Most if not all of what you are saying have been addressed befor....

I just dont like going in circles.

thehomer: You're simply making some irrelevant introductions here. Can you simply answer this question? Can a son or grandson serve jail time for a father or grandfather's murder? You can answer with a yes or no with your explanations.

what ?

Read my post again slowly.

That was properly addressed.

Or is it they are irrelevant to you as an atheist?

thehomer: And I've encountered Christians over and over again who make such claims and refuse to back them up. If you're going to claim that an argument is grossly illogical, then the least you could do is to demonstrate how it is illogical rather than simply running away.



I will through our interactions here. What was Eve's first sin? Was it eating the apple or listening to the serpent (who by the way told the truth) and deciding to eat the apple?



How exactly is God's nature unaccounted for and what is the correct representation of Jesus' words?



Okay. Do you think it is feasible for someone to live on this earth without committing at least one sin a week? In fact, I would point out that belonging to the wrong denomination is also a sin against God.



You didn't agree with me. You said I recognized the bondage of sin while I said I didn't recognize this bondage. Merely asserting that God's judgement is righteous doesn't make it so you know. If you like, we can examine his judgement to see if it is indeed righteous.



Sure. Hell serves two purposes. To punish people and to serve as a deterrent for going against God. Just think of other punishments in other situations e.g corporal punishment in schools. What purpose does it serve? The same two: punishment and deterrent. The punishment is the pain and the deterrent is letting people know that they will be whipped for performing certain actions.



No they're not absurd. I will say that the foundations for claiming God's justice simply serve to corrupt the meaning of justice.

guy stop!

What was the truth that satan told eve?

This whole argument is rot if what you just said is the truth

Seun: "Thank you"?

that is if he was aware that he was an atheist!

The very obvious ID that is always hidden outside this forums is "atheist"

rhymz: My friend if you use your brain very well you will come to understand that most of what you have in that bible is all inconsistent fairytale that can not be proven. None of them happened anywhere.
I have continued to ask Christians this same question; if God is all knowing, all seeing and is every where kind of supernatural entity, who created Man in his own image, what is the rationale for sending his only "begotten Son" to die for sins committed by entities he created? Not even just to die but to further suffer humiliation and eventually violent murder by these same entities his father is angry with and want him, Jesus to save from his uncontrollable anger.
Is it to feed his oversized murderous ego or to appease himself?
What kind of loving father appeases himself by asking his only son to die just so he, his father can be pleased?
Does it mean the all loving God is not magnanimous enough to resolve his grouse with his creations without having to force his only begotten son to let himself to be killed by his creations?
Is he such an ego maniac whose decisions are entirely based on the flow and tide of his emotions.
Can you honestly call say such actions are driven by love? EGO?
what kind of Loving God allows entities he created to suffer in an eternal burning furnace and the ones that make it to his heaven are zombies with no self will, they are condemned to eternal life of slavery. Boosting God's oversized ego through false praises they don't mean and fearful worship they are bound to do in heaven.
In heaven, their life is nothing short of enternal slavery, they must not feel or be imperfect lest they will be considered not fit for heaven or to be in the "loving Presence" of an insecure and paranoid God.
You can't have sex, smoke weed, feel Hot or even have a three-some with some beautiful angels, making mistakes is not even to be considered else you will be shown hell. What exactly will one be doing in such a place? Reminds me of that movie, Equillibrium.
only a kid will believe all that fairy BS in the bible written by pius church fraudstars.

bring this in bits,
so that i can address them one at a time.

rhymz: My friend if you use your brain very well you will come to understand that most of what you have in that bible is all inconsistent fairytale that can not be proven. None of them happened anywhere.
I have continued to ask Christians this same question; if God is all knowing, all seeing and is every where kind of supernatural entity, who created Man in his own image, what is the rationale for sending his only "begotten Son" to die for sins committed by entities he created? Not even just to die but to further suffer humiliation and eventually violent murder by these same entities his father is angry with and want him, Jesus to save from his uncontrollable anger.
Is it to feed his oversized murderous ego or to appease himself?
What kind of loving father appeases himself by asking his only son to die just so he, his father can be pleased?
Does it mean the all loving God is not magnanimous enough to resolve his grouse with his creations without having to force his only begotten son to let himself to be killed by his creations?
Is he such an ego maniac whose decisions are entirely based on the flow and tide of his emotions.
Can you honestly call say such actions are driven by love? EGO?
what kind of Loving God allows entities he created to suffer in an eternal burning furnace and the ones that make it to his heaven are zombies with no self will, they are condemned to eternal life of slavery. Boosting God's oversized ego through false praises they don't mean and fearful worship they are bound to do in heaven.
In heaven, their life is nothing short of enternal slavery, they must not feel or be imperfect lest they will be considered not fit for heaven or to be in the "loving Presence" of an insecure and paranoid God.
You can't have sex, smoke weed, feel Hot or even have a three-some with some beautiful angels, making mistakes is not even to be considered else you will be shown hell. What exactly will one be doing in such a place? Reminds me of that movie, Equillibrium.
only a kid will believe all that fairy BS in the bible written by pius church fraudstars.

evidence base on false informations.

When you argue base on reality/what the bible teaches then i can address your worries.

thehomer: I didn't say that.



I didn't say that either.



You are simply confusing issues. Can a son or grandson serve jail time for a father or grandfather's murder?

your question is on the punishment. = error
, wrong premise.

the issue is on the crime/sin/debt the parent owe.

For punishment to be mated out it means that the offender has been cought judged and sentence or he is sentence in absentia

Adam died for his sins = GENESIS 3:19

but the dept of the parent resulted in bankruptcy/death the children cant escape this consequence of their fathers stupidity.

But a wealthy benefactor has come to the rescue and needs an undertaking from the children that they will not repeat their fathers blunders

the undertaken is on individual basis.

Any that refuses can not benefit from the provision/facilities provided by the benefactor.

ifeness: I have no business knowing the bible well. I have read it and it is full of the primitive man's encounters with Extra terrestrial e.g Moses,Abraham,Elijah, Ezekiel,Paul etc. You wanna live by the biblical codes? Perhaps i should welcome you to planet earth again.

Over the years the church have been relying on science. You watch TV,you use electricity,Mobile phone and even the internet. Yet you all claim it is Satan's kingdom. Why don't you Christians live in the mud houses,just the same Jesus lived during his time. If God cares about Christians,why haven't he inspired any christian to invent something as little as table lamp?

Believe it or not your Bible gods were extra terrestrials. They came and they are gone. You wont move forward if you dont stop living on the primitive book.

what are cement and bricks made of?

Too low .......

Try harder.

MacDaddy01: muslims make the same argument for cutting the hands of theives

^^^^

out of topic (of what brings atheist together, as an gender adultery punishable as a crime of wrong)

looking for symparthisers? ^^^^

If you are to fight for a course that will affect humanity at large, at least it should be fair to "all concerned"

issehfresh: @truthislight...what macdaddy01 is trying to tell u is that your wife and the 'someone' sleeping with her are supposed to be ADULTS not kids.and so they AGREED to tango behind ur back for whatever reason. She was not molested per say and so this may only be regarded as a serious wrong, if you must not a serious crime.Afterall sex is only natural, I mean irrespective of what persons involved.The difference here being that she had 'ARTIFICIALLY' promised to only be with u for the rest of her life. (by way of marriage which is nothing but an institution,if u know what I mean ) thus that does not make the 'ACT ITSELF' a crime...

as an observer it is easy to deduce ^^^^ that.

If the (wo)man want to have sex with another (wo)man is it not fair for the person to walk out of the marriage instead of cheating on the other person?

I mean, is it not cheating?

What is cheating/deceit?

Does this depend on who is talking?

MacDaddy01: Adultery is wrong but should never be criminalised

^^^^
fair

but what is the essence of enacting laws if not for it to serve as a deterant/discourage from what is bad?

issehfresh: @manmustwacc how can you just tell us the poster was trolling? what,s d proof ? There ought to be a cogent reason for that kind of thing.why must we just blindly believe that excuse? I hope u know we ain't all 'sheeple' !!

considering he is an atheist and the post may have been Frosbel's, theist.

obadiah777: no mind those heathens ( Ihedinobi Mr Anony Goshen Danwo ). them just gang up on me yesterday like say i steal garri for market

"Heathens"

obadiah777: no mind those heathens ( Ihedinobi Mr Anony Goshen Danwo ). them just gang up on me yesterday like say i steal garri for market

"Heathens"

Ihedinobi: I really can't see what's wrong with a picture having both man and dinosaur on earth at the same time. What's wrong with it?

What I hoped to show with the indication of extinction of species within a period of about 66yrs is that extinction can occur very fast. One day a species is in abundance and flourishing, the next time you look, numbers have dwindled. You look again and they've vanished. It's not a process that needs millions of years to happen.

As for radiometric dating, as I believe it's called, it's had enough false assumptions that led to erratic dating in the past and appears to be prompting enough debate in the scientific community for me to call it into question. I also know nothing about dating of clay pots used in Joshua's time. I've heard of archaeological finds that were dated, and because of the conflict I was conscious of in the returns from different dating techniques, I have never received them as conclusive.

why cant they fit in with man?

We have different species on earth and they dont always lived in the same geographical locations.

So, if we all came out from a common ancestor, it then means that all part of planet earth was not always this populated.
If you know what i mean.

I cant see anything wrong with the two living together.

Delafruita: as in seriously,dinosaurs existed within the same timeframe as man?as in species disappeared between the second world war and today and thats meant to lend credence to the arguments for a young earth?if archeologists could dig up clay pots used during the time when joshua conquered jericho and date the pots to accurately align with the time joshua supposedly conquered jericho,why then would their dating method and accuracy be called into question when it comes to fossil record?

i believe that in about 2-3 years,we should have more information on how the universe came into existence.the NASA rover "curiosity" is expected to help with that and coupled with the information already available from Hubble,it seems science is close to discovering with certainty how the universe came into being

I'm not sure if I have answered your question about dinosaurs. I was hoping you'd clarify what your problem was.

Good.

Science has been useful,

science has been harmful.

Science has said the truth/facts

science has LIED

lets us use our heads/brain

Delafruita: classic Goshen360 excuse."if its not in the bible,it either didnt happen or i have no answer to it".i told you earlier,the gap theory is the only sensible explanation that could align the bible with reality.all other theories like the "1day in heaven is like 1000years on earth" are just bullcrap.does that mean judgement day is equal to judgement "1000years"?

yes.

Revelation 20:1-4

judgement day

Ihedinobi: ^ Now, I really wish you'd indicated what's wrong with the picture of dinosaurs in a young earth. I don't know if your problem with the picture is the same as the one I once had: that dinosaurs were synonymous with evolution given that they've disappeared, but there's evidence of their existence in rock strata.

This was a silly assumption by me, but I don't think it's evolution that's your problem. Perhaps it's the fact that there's evidence that some really interesting animals once existed but are nowhere to be found today.

If that's the problem, there's no need to go ahead and assume an old earth to accommodate their existence. Between the end of the Second World War and today, some species have gone extinct. It is a fact of science that the number of species currently in existence are a small percentage of the number that once existed. Millions of years aren't needed for species to vanish, just a handful of men with inordinately large appetites and an attendant poor sense of responsibility. Current times prove this out.

I'm not sure if I have answered your question about dinosaurs. I was hoping you'd clarify what your problem was.

^^^^
hmmmm!

That was beautifully done.

MacDaddy01: Rape and adultery are two different things.

Think before you talk

very much unlike you.

Why not stand up for "what is right" here?

obadiah777: i believe in Yahawah

^^^^

yahaweh = Jesus christ according to you.

From your proof of Angel and Jesus creating the earth colosians/GENESIS you quoted that it was Jesus talking to angels.

obadiah777: Dunno where you are getting this trinity doctrine from. you must be drunk on shekpe or sapele water or something. you do know scripture says a drunk man will never inherit the kingdom right

^^^^

the real you the angel of light is coming out.

Is that the truth or the only truth you know?

obadiah777: i aint a Mormon. i dont even know what a Mormon believes in. all i know is that they wear white shirt and black trousers and walk around the streets with name tags on their white shirt. thats all i know about Mormonism

but you believe the samething with them.

That should mean that you and the mommon are right.

So, if they are not against you they are for you.

obadiah777: none of the above, kind Sir

lol

try again

obadiah777: Bruh, the 'them' has encompassed the numbers. you dont need to put 'males' and 'females' after that. this is basic english language

^^^^

lies

obadiah777: How about this ? if you think otherwise, enlighten us. i am always willing to learn. show us what you got

what you are learning is not base in the bible.

It is mommon book story that they want to use the bible to prove.

Anyone can twist the scriture to show anything but the scripture will not support it GENESIS to Revelation

obadiah777: GENESIS 1 VS 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

this shows the weakness of the trinity,

if jesus was the first born of all creation that means God was talking to his first born son befor the creation of man.

Exodus 6:3 = Yahweh almighty God

Isaiah 9:6 Jesus mighty God

they are two seperat person. QED

Goshen360: So where and how does these two scriptures show that Jesus and ANGELS created the WORLD? Can you highlight the part says ANGELS and JESUS created the world in "RED" from those scriptures you quoted so we can see it clearly?

he will still use trinity

obadiah777: You err brother Danwo. you err

an·gel   [eyn-juhl] Show IPA
noun
3.
a messenger, especially of God.

YOU DO KNOW THAT IN SODOM AND GOMMORAH 2 ANGELS NEARLY GOT SODOMIZED. THOSE WERE MEN NOT SPIRITS

you miss the point.

That Abraham issue is self explanatry.

just like in sodom the angel was a third party so it was in Abraham case.

You dodge this to lead the readers astray.

danwo: ^^^^^
SMH "'Man on a message from God' ( angel )" Pretentious rubbish

Man - Ermm impotent Abraham and menopaused Sarah, by this time next year you'll have a son

Abraham - Yeah Ismael will be my heir

Sarah - <sniggering>

Man - Abraham, why is your wife laughing now. Don't worry now, the milkman will do the job and the midwife the switch

see how simple and yet coded this was too ?

smart guy

obadiah777: COLOSSIANS 1 CHPT 15 TO 18 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.


HEBREWS 1 VS 2 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Goshen, i told you did i not?

Goshen360: Before we go further again.....Can you give us one or two scripures showing that Jesus and "ANGELS" created the world. Then I continue my question that will take us back to the topic.

you fall for that,

he will use the trinity to explain it.

Lol.

obadiah777: of course Jesus and the angels created the world.

mommon belief from trinity that Jesus is almighty God.