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mkmyers45: Who created evil from the beginning? But he later repented of all he created...

suite yourself.

frosbel: Sorry for interrupting , but just to add my small and humble opinion , there is Hell Fire, but not in the way that many pentecostals describe it.

Hell Fire is a place of punishment and destruction of sinners at the end of this age.

"Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death." - Revelation 20:14

noted, "destruction"

frosbel: I have to agree with you on this , plain scripture and yet many will form a theology of nonsense around these straightforward verses.

They will soon call me a JW cult supporter

oladegbu has already called you that.

Delafruita: this is hilarious.you obviously dont have an idea of how to spin this around.you logic falls flat in the face of the first sentence of the verse "in the days of jesus,when he was in the flesh........".this isnt about after he died,he was in the frigging flesh.he cried and prayed and god saved him

Guy, the prophesy concerning Jesus said the masaiah will be cut off.

and so are other bible portions.

The right understanding of the bible is to understand it online with what the rest of other bible portions says.

I dont have any problem with that scriptures.

The bible is clear on Jesus death.

If he did not die why was he resurected?

Taken a scripture out of the whole bible and reading a meaning into it amount to taken it out off context.

Peace

mkmyers45: Huh? what are you trying to say?

Thus saith the Lord, Behold I frame evil against you and devise a device against you. (Jer. 18:11.)

I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Is. 45:7.)

Shall there be evil in the city, and the Lord hath not done it? (Amos 3:6.)

I said man and angel are not robot.

Are you talking of what happened when evil was already in the world or from the begining?

What you are quoting is God dealings with the sons of israel.
When they sin he he punish them, when they return he bless them.

But in Genesis after he finish creating he looked at all he had done and said they are GOOD.

ifeness: Can you give me a concrete evidence to the story you just told me please. Or did you make it up?

That is why we are here.
From what happen in eden.

God drove Adam away.

When you cool down to study the bible with an open mind you will know and understand what msg the bible have.

mkmyers45: You are trying to be smart...

I will ask again and i will want simple answer...Who created the ability of evil?

Man is a free moral agent.

Man and angel are not robot.

ifeness: Are you trying to say God is against the United Nations. Remember it says in the bible;" two heads are better than one" Why would he want humans to be separated? Remember the phrase "the combined power of the broom stick are unbreakable" Why would a loving God do that? Could it be FEAR that humans would become as wise as him?

Why are you defending this evil deed God did to your ancestors?

Do you know that is an enemy of progress?

How would you feel if someone stopped you from progressing in life? would you worship the person?

What good has the Bible God done to you recently? pls be honest!

You said it yourself.

The theme of the bible is the kingdom of God and its restoration.

Satan has led people to misrepresent the bible.

The bible does you no harm.

mkmyers45: Who created evil or the capability to be evil? it didnt just pop-out did it?

Evil is what that goes contrary to God's plans.

God is righteouse and any thing that goes contrary to His plans is evil.

That why jesus told satan you must obey God alone.

ifeness: What would you do if someone tried to harm your child? would you stand back and watch? just like the bible god is doing

Satan was a high ranking angel.

When he says something befor then other angels listens and they were right since he obey God.

So, when he started accusing God and inputing wrong motive what will this other angels say/do.

If God had killed him then how will other angels know if this other accusations where true.

Time was needed for this to be sorted out.

How will you handle a situating in a class if you were a lecturer and solving a complex mathematics and one of the student stood up and accuse you of outright lies and deceit in your process.

And when this student was one of the best in the class?

Send him away? Error.

You give him the chalk and space to prove that the math you were solving that the process was wrong.
you have done this maths in your masters degree and thought it for many years and have practically made use of it. But the student said it is now false.

If you send this student away it will not proof who was right or wrong.
other members of the class were watching. They will entertaining doubt all the time that you may not be right when next you start teaching.

So, the right thing to do is to let the student solve it befor the class.

While he is at it will you help him?
While he is at it will you distract/disrupt him? No.

When he fails what will you do to him and all the student that have sided him?

ifeness: Please enlighten me please on why the Gods had to destroy the tower of babel. Why did they do that?

It went against Gods plans of being fruitfull and filling the whole earth.

God changing the language scattered them.

As long they keep a common language they will not seperate. They will remain united in there fruitless endeavor.

mkmyers45: Why take the blame...God did create the evil didn't he? He has repented hasn't he? He can clean up no?

God created a perfect spirit creature that turn bad and acquire the names he is called by his actions.

Eg. Some one name can peter.
When peter acquire wood work skills he will be called carpenter.

Delafruita: i honestly dont understand your logic.does earth require other planets to make its revolution?

The planet are kept in place by relative motion, attraction and repulsion.

mkmyers45: God created this evils yes?

The one that have been accusing all other spirit creatures in heaven befor coming to adam and twisted the plans and causing God to withdraw his hands.
Since he satan does not have the capacity to stair the ship successfully we suffer for his failures.

He also did succeeded in also getting some angel in heaven to rebel that God's way are not the best.

Love cause God to interven in human case and that is where the bible comes in to show us how to go back to God.

Till then the guy incharge is satan.

God Helping him is wrong cause it will show that satan accusations were true
.

Distracting him is wrong it will give satan an excuse.

As such his not being able to prove that he has a better way to run things better than the way God arranged things are false accusations.

The bible gives all necessary info on what all need to do.

Some demand by people after the bible has been completed amount to God helping satan to succeed.

The bible says that all the damage that has been done under satan rule will be undone. And the former things will not be called to mind.

Till then the way forward is to stick to the message of the kingdom that must reach all willing humans as a witness.

While under satan, all that one need to do is endure his inadequacies till the right full ruler put him out and take charger to correct all things.

And no one in heaven or earth will ever guestion God way of doing things again.

mkmyers45: God created this evils yes?

The one that have accusing all other spirit creatures in heaven befor coming to adam twisted the plans and causing God to withdraw his hands and he satan does not have the capacity to stair the ship successfully.

Love cause God to interven and that is where the bible comes in to show us how to go back to God.

Till then the guy incharge is satan.

Helping him is wrong.
Distracting him is wrong.

As such his not being able to prove that he has a better way to run things better than the way God arranged things are false accusations.

The bible gives all necessary info on what all need to do.

Some demand by people after the bible has been completed amount to God helping satan to succeed.

The bible says that all the damage that has been done under satan rule will be undone. And the former things will not be called to mind.

Till then the why forward is to stick to the message of the king that must reach all willing humans all a witness.

While under satan, all that one need to do is endure his inadequacies till the right full ruler put him out and take charger to correct all things.

ifeness: And not to forget the garden of eden. ThIS God doesn't want us to have knowledge, infact he kicked Adam out for eating the fruit.

Every parent want their kids to be better that them....that is called love. Why is the bible God different?

Only an arrogant person would ask other people to worship him. Why is the bible God so ARROGANT?

Also wrong knowledge.

Find out what will have been wrong with jesus obeying satan and turned the stone into bread.
Is bread a bad thing?

When you understand that you will find out what was wrong with Adam eating of the fruit.

If bread was not a bad thing why will fruit be a bad thing. You can also look at it the other way round.

ifeness: If you say every animal on the planet earth(including humans) have specific feature,haven't humans shown that our abilities are unlimited and perhaps to infinity? The so called bible is against human evolving to higher and superior beings

Tower of babel clearly state that the Gods were scared we were becoming too inquisitive and intelligent,so they destroyed the tower and scattered our languages-in order to stop us from being united. What is your say on that, that wasn't love from God(Gods),was it? I need you to explain that.

If we all had to follow the bible and follow God,we would all still be primitive men and be ran over by God.

We fly in the air now,even visit other planets, are we not close to finding out the planets these so called God has been hiding for years?

The questions will go on and on. But the fact remains that humans themselves are becoming better that God cos we now see the need for tolerance,charities, peace without reading the holy books.

This is as a result of the wrong understanding of the story of the tower of babel.

plaetton: Fair.
Some have and some have not. That is why we are having this debate.
lol.

Presumptiousenes goes befor a fall the bible says.

plaetton: It is one thing to say that something was designed because it looks so complex and so perfect,then turn around to defend the designer by questioning the motives of one who points out the flaws in the design.
If it was designed, why should we not expect perfection?
What is the point of designing something if not for ultimate efficiency and perfection?

If I cannot use my human senses and intellect to judge and question a design, then with what faculty am i supposed to use to even appreciate such perfect design?

Evolution perfectly accounts for the many apparent flaws in creation. Intelligent design theory does not.

What if the knowledge you base your argument is wrong and does not take into consideration all the facts?

ifeness: Alright,we humans are the most intelligent animals on the planet. Therefore other animals will think we are Gods. So i think the term God or Gods is a reference to beings superior and more advanced than we are. If God does exists, they are millions of them and they evolved just like we are evolving now in many aspects.

Humans have evolved from living in caves and huts to living in our own self made paradise. We probably have the DNA of the GODS who genetically created us. Moses of the bible will probably call us YAHWEH too because we now fly in air-place and communicate with mobile phone. In 100 years,no one would like to go to heaven because we have created heaven on earth.

The only truth in what you have said is that it aligns with the way the bible use the word God.

The bible paint the picture that all spirit creatures are gods to human but that there is the almighty God that created every thing including the other Gods.
And that it is the almighty God alone that deserve worship.

The bible says that there are many lords and many gods.

plaetton: And Jupiter, 800 times the size of the earth, is just a big ball of gas occupying about 70% of our solar system by design too? Designers tend to be stingy with space.
and mars is desolate by design?
4.7 billion years of ceasless interactions of matter. If a human embryo can go from single celled spermatozoa into a complex machine in just 9 months, why do you think that 4.7 billion years is not enough time to evolve from very simple to very complex?

If the planet are kept in orbit by relative motion of attraction and repulsion why would there not be other planet in orbit to ensure that the planet stay in place in relation to the sun?

If this other planet are to ensure the stability of this other planet what use of life do you expect there since it was not the design intent but to ensure stability?

Some statement can be out of :-):-):-):-).

Delafruita: my 36hours in christendom are over.what better way to return to humanism than to give a clear case of a verse in the new testament that says jesus didnt die?sounds strange?
hebrews 5:7 says
RSV "in the days of his flesh,jesus offered up prayers and supplication,with loud cries and tears to him(yahweh) who was able to save him(yeshwa) from death,and he was heard for his godly fear"

GNB "in his life on earth jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to god,who could save him from death.because he was humble and devoted,god heard him.

KJV "who in the days of his flesh,when he had offered up his prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death and was heard in that he feared"

i quoted the same verse from 3 versions to show that there was no error of translation.this verse clearly states that jesus prayed to god to save him from death and god answered him by saving him.so which one of the biblical accounts should be accepted?that he died or that he didnt die?
whichever way the pendulum swings,the bible's credibility definitely takes another hit

The prophesy had said that God will not abandon him in the grave.

You are misunderstanding the save mentioned there.

The save means that God did not allow him to see corruption in that he was resurrected/save.

The same save is also awaiting all the righteouse men that had died in that God will save them from death by bringing them back to life.

After that death itself will be destroyed.
Peace

jackbaur: t YOU ARE NOT SINCERE WITH YOUR POST

Is America not also the nation with the highest growth rate of homosexual?

Is America not also the nation with the highest growth rate of violence/murder?

musKeeto: Classic case of mumu go follow mumu, second foolish na proper foolish.
In fact, it seems those 'die by fire' prayers are working. Indeed, the Nigerian people are becoming more broke, more brainwashed, more foolish.
They fail to realise that when they pray for their enemies to die, they're actually referring to themselves.
Crooks like Ade and Oye have simply filled in the vacuum: promising them spiritual blessings that work by faith/fault while accepting their physical blessings that work by sight/right.

While they promise there followers faith miracle and heaven,
They themself dont have patience to wait on God for the heavenly reward they are demanding for it here and now.

Then will come expensive schools that there followers cant afford.

The greedy are the ones that fall for it.

Just like they fall for regular 419 fraud stars.

Any right thinking person that is not greedy and lazy knows that success comes from hard work will never fall for that scam.

If Bill Gate and his likes got their riches from miracle what will become of internet and computer/technology we are using now?

Avicenna: Can't say anything. I v never met another atheist. I don't want to, yet anyway.



Humanism.

are you afraid of them?

You just cant trust thee

no umbilical cord attached

From the above,

what do you think?

That dictionary definition may not really be helping matters.

Who knows if that dic definition of hell was influence!

plaetton: I dont get you most of the time.
i dont know what dwarfism and chimpanzees have to witht he issues here.

chimpanzee walks on two legs and have two hands, can walk straight, head like man.

Are you just imteretd in the HIGHT of a dwarf?

Goshen360: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

That of Genesis talks about time, space and matter - In the beginning (time); the heavens (space) and matter (earth). That of John 1:1 refers to dateless past or eternity for it speaks of Jesus in his pre-existence WITH GOD. John did not find a word to use, hence he said in the beginning.

Now, put both together and you will realize John 1:1 antedates Gen. 1:1 because when Gen. 1:1 first mentioned God, it will therefore mean God existed before He could create and John 1:1 told us the Word was WITH GOD and this Word is God. This is why the word God which is "Elohim" in Hebrew is plural but not as Gods because the verb construction is singular. So Gen. 1:1 is simply referring to "TIME" when the heavens and the earth was created.

Do you agree with this explanation before I proceed ?

you did not use the bible to expand this.

How did you arrived at that?

diluminati: wow

is it only what PLAETON wrote that you can see here?

You two!

Delafruita: you didnt complete john4:24.infact to understand that verse,you have to go back to john 4:7.jesus meets the woman of samaria at a well and the discussion progresses to a point where she says in verse 19 "sir i perceive that you are a prophet".she goes ahead to say her fathers worshipped on the mountain but that yeshwa now says jerusalem is the place for worship to which jesus responds "the time is coming when neither on this mountain nor in jerusalem will you worship the father".he goes further in verse 23 "but the hour is coming and now is,when the true worshippers will worship the father in spirit and truth,for such the father seeks to worship him".verse 24 then expands this by saying "god is spirit,those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth".
i perceive you assume the phrase "god is spirit" refers to physical attributes however this is just to teach the followers that the worship of god goes beyond the physical things we do.it goes neyond obeying the commandments,it goes beyond camouflaging.god sees our hearts and he wants us to worship him with our body,spirit and soul.the 20 verses pass across one message and you need to read and understand them as been one long sentence.that phrase "god is spirit" cannot be isolated and branded with its own meaning
its similar to john 1:1 saying "and the word was god".or other phrases like "the lord is my shield and my buckler" "the lord is a consuming fire" etc.
genesis 1:2 could be rendered "....and the WIND of god was moving over the......".the hebrew word "ruach" could and is translated severally in the bible as either wind,spirit,mind or breath.for example exodus 15:10 has the same word "ruach" and its translated as "thou didst blow with thy wind,the sea covered them......."
the same word is used in genesis 8:1 and it reads "and god remembered noah and...............and god made a wind blow over the earth......"

Dalafruita.

You will soon convert me to atheist!

plaetton: God did not create dwarfism because, like every other genetic abnormality, evolution has a much better explanation for dwarfism.
Infact, dwarfism squarely contradicts the notion of god creating man in his own image.
dont't you agree?

that means the chipanzee is also in God's image?

Or, can it be referring to the mind?

To the rationality likeness?

Delafruita: *reading and laughing*

you need a break,

do you know the work load you took upon yourself?

Men! That was not easy, at least to me.