₦airaland Forum

thehomer: Isn't your response inconsistent? I mean if one rejects this grace, does't the person lose it?

is it by force?

It is optional.

You make your choice to accept it or not

rhymz: hahahahah. . . . Yeah right, I bet your father shows his love to you by asking you to submit yourself to be murdered by people that have wronged him just in order for him to appease his own anger. . Thug loving I guess. .lol. .what a way to show love.

if you have a father like Bill Gates and he ask you to give out your current car for the benefit of others i wander what your response will be.

With a promise that he will buy you another car.

rhymz: And yet we are told by the Christian "God" that we are loved unconditionally yet he wont tolerate you the way you are in heaven. In fact, Jesus his "beloved son" had to get murded by these sinful humans to appease the christian "God's" anger. So much for his Unconditional Love and murderous grace.
Abeg make me hear word jare!

lol.

Do you want to go crowl with other people wives there?

You want God to accept you the way you are so that you go mess up the place the way you have mess up this system. Lol
Causing hatred envy and greed.

God have a standard of justice which state "soul for soul"
thats why someone has to fulfilled/meet that standard and Jesus meets the requirments

God is no human that changes standards any how.

However, this is where love/grace comes in for the benefit of man.

"not because we first love God but God love us first that is why he sent his only begotten son so that any that exercises faith in him may not parish but have everlasting life" the bible says.

the period we still leave in is still the Grace period.

Goshen360: Egbon, you are missing the point. The point is Genesis, with Gap theory/pre-adamic age which the scripture itself and even Jesus never made any reference to in all His reference to Genesis is a distortion to creation account and God's word. And if the scriptures says God created the heavens - sky/outer space and the earth in 6 days, why should people say there is gap in between 6 days?

You have a point here.

We should not go beyond what the bible says to make scintist happy.

The bible is not written to make any man happy.

Joagbaje: The gap theory is the missing link between science and the bible. God didn't create the world empty and chaotic . The world became void and chaotic.

Isaiah 45:18
The LORD created the heavens. God formed the earth and made it. He set it up. He did not create it to be empty but formed it to be inhabited. This is what the LORD says: I am the LORD, and there is no other.

The creation of genesis 1:1 was a full civilization. It only became waste ,void and empty by the judgement of God on that world. Jeremiah explains how it became void.

Jeremiah 4:23-26
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;and the heavens, and they had no light.24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,and all the hills moved lightly.25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man,and all the birds of the heavens were fled.26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,and all the cities thereof were broken downat the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

Lucifer (Satan) was the angelic ruler on the earth before the time of Adam. He fell from his position before Adam was created


Isaiah 14:12-14
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13.For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. ,

His fall was due to his hunger to rule in heaven .

. . . . I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

He could only have desired to ascend to heave because his primary domain was earth. There was a heaven there was an earth before the time of Adam creation. This civilisation of lucifer must have been hundreds of millions of years . The earth is not 6,000 years old. Radio carbon dating proves the earth is millions of years old. Fossil evidence of. Pre historic animals

The key question we should ask ourselves with all honesty is . WHEN DID LUCIFER FALL.? Was it before the emergence of Adam or after the fall of Adam?

I knew that this is what this sort of argument will do.

Imply meaning to what that bible have not said.

Some people are using the book of mommon to explain the bible.

Men.
Human wisdom

MyJoe: You fool. The real me was never hidden. I have been posting here long before you. Just adapted to deal with a pest such as you. Say you wouldn't join me, but you fool no one. You were the first to insult in the other thread opened by your brother - he said so. Your hypocrisy does not fool anyone.


You have nothing to reply. Hiding behind lies doesn't help you. I know you don't feel any embarrassment since you don't think, but you are an embarrassment to whatever group you belong to.

polished guy.

BARRISTERS: @Myjoe



Goodboy, the renewal form rests solely on the original application that does not carry the signature in the first place,and that is to be able to have a continued usage of the library, but note, you dont need to agree with me!you have right to your opinion,and if you wait until i satisfy you on this matter,its not going to be possible,because you have made up your mind,all i need to do here is to provide sound basis for other forumites of which you cannot claim their mandate here to represent but you are just 'one' person,and that the signature thing does not bother is your opinion but leggally it signaled huge aknowledgement to a primary document expecially,and untill you provide a primary document where jws signed in accepting political UN affiliation house-filled insults will amount to nothing.

you have started using insultive words now and you will say 'where are the insults?' you want me to 'accept your insultive response' as normal? never,you can programme others brain to accept it,but me? never,you even hates when someone directs your attention to insults, and i have only given you this grace not to insult you back on only on this post,but will resume next if you persist.



you are just very funny,''did the conditions for affiliation change'' why are the opposers not specific by saying ''did the condition of applications of NGO-DPI(Non gov org,Dept. of Information)changed?

Obviously thats a BIG HOLE you need to fill there,using a blanket statement (NGO) is often nullified when specific details are not discussed.

Unfortunately you ignore this;from the conversation;

“Question: What is an NGO and how does it relate to the UN?
Answer: [size=18pt]NGOs have no status and are not part of the UN.”

[/size]

This alone is a blow 'below the belt' to all your arguments.

and now that the Watchtower has given us the reason, 'why' and your proofs lacked signatures, we belived them, and full truckloads of criticm or insults on the forum will not deter that an inch.

barrister, do you want to convince the devil's advocate?

MyJoe: I saw a post where this guy was putting down atheists for “using the F word”. Obviously, it’s Jehovah’s Witnessically ok for Mr truthislight to insult as long as he does not use the F word.

are you sure that i make use of F word?

Are you sure of what you and maximus are saying.

Am beyond that in real life and here.

Stop lying.

Sorry. Am not your type.

MyJoe: You are a fool. Since you wanted people to “deduce that for themself”, why did you hack out a misleading summary of the post? I merely asked you to substantiate your summary by highlighting the portion you supposedly got your “de-convert” and “effective” statements from.

Is that what you find so “slippery”? I think not. You simply lifted some artful and slippery statements from Barristers without even having a clue what they mean.

^^^^
am above such low life.

MyJoe: Another lie. But you must be new around here, as it has been demonstrated conclusively in this section of Nairaland that Jesus never preached from house to house and never ordered anyone to preach that way. In fact, he forbade it. But, then, you can prove your statement is not a lie by showing us the corroborating verse. You don’t have to debate or something. Just show the verse and go. One will do.


Lol.


You think you are kicking bottom? Here is a simple task for you. Ask someone you trust and believe is capable of some objectivity – he should be a non-JW and a non-Catholic. Don’t let him know you are BARRISTERS. Let him read the thread, starting from where BARRISTERS came in and then tell you what he thinks of the character BARRISTERS. That should help you.

^^^^ hypocrite.

You answered two person on one post so that your lies on JW house to house preaching will pass unnotice.

So, when according to you, when jesus sent the twelve and then the seventy (70) he ask them to go to a particular person house and eat their food since they are not to move from house to how.

Yes, if it is your house you will accept such unexpected (70) seventy preachers and all the town will come to your house and turn it to a church.

Yes this your style is the way Jesus preach and covered the whole of judea.

You see your life?

you are saying that apostle paul made a mistake for also preaching from house to House, who did he learn it from?
That you cant do it means you should condemned it.

So, house to house preaching is now a sin to you?

Any way, since we have help you to have a life hence we know your life will be better.

MyJoe: You are strange, Barristers. I set out a conversation without inserting words to even “explain” yet you accuse of me of “imposing” my “reasoning”, “programming” and doing what I accuse you of which is comprehensive dishonesty? The only thing I did was to highlight the entire sentence, including the part I accused you of covering with your finger – is that what you call programming, highlighting a sentence?

Like I said earlier, you make allegations without bothering to build a premise for them. First, you copied and pasted the post where you alleged I said I would de-covert you. Then you provided a link to it. Now you want to open a thread and take it away from context – doesn’t matter really. You don’t know the meaning of “speculate all you like about imaginary motive I have” but you believe the objective reader is with you. Ok, you want to satisfy yourself - go ahead and open this unnecessary thread to convince yourself of your obtuseness! Reminds me of the tortoise proverb again. You don’t need my agreement to open anything. I will be reading the thread. Since it is such a senseless idea and the thread will be such a useless one, I will only comment if someone lies against me or misrepresents me as you and your comrade are wont.

Looking at the statement again and taking your highlight into consideration, maybe you did actually make an honest mistake in reading my statement. You are a very dishonest person but I will give you the benefit of the doubt on it and I think I am right. You know, there was a time in the other thread when I thought you were better than Mr truthislight, such that on an occasion when his obtuseness led him to twist what I wrote, I told him I was sure you would understand what I wrote. Now I realise I was wrong. You’re just as dense as him. I wrote a sentence describing any motive I have to de-convert you as being imaginary and speculative and you understand it to mean that I want to de-covert you. Was there anything in the thread that led to that reading?

This will not be the first time I am saying that you read and accuse me of things in a hurry. A more patient, more sensible or more intelligent human being would have noted there is no comma between “motive” and “I have” and avoided the error you have fallen into. Not that you need to get to considering the comma before realizing what I meant, but it should have helped you resolve any quandary. You have a dirty mind and are always on the lookout for something to hang the other person with. You have attacked stories without basis even though you have also told stories which others have taken the point you were trying to make out of rather than go into irrelevancies. You have read statements wrongly even though others have read yours patiently to understand them properly. You have declared victories even though you have not made a single good argument.

Really, I think you are just irredeemably dense. Discussing with you is tiresome when one has to keep stopping to explain the meaning of “dish out” or “reason” or “any imaginary motive I have”.

Show me where I have gone out of my way to attack the JW. You Witnesses have such an exaggerated sense of importance. You really think I care about them? I don’t. Any post of mine you will find in Nairaland mentioning JW was responding to another post that, in my opinion, contained a misunderstanding or a lie. And you will always find specific reference to the matter being addressed rather than general statements putting down the Witnesses. But since you say I have “attacked” them, you should be able to produce the proof.

now you will understand when i say you are slippery.

When ever your twist is shown to you the next thing you do is come out with the intent of sending the reader to the bushes.

The problem you have is that you deceived yourself with the delusion that you can derail all those reading your post with painted words, this is self deceit, come off it and have a life.

Your anger now is cus you know that the mask you wore have been removed and you are so uncomfortable.

But you really owe us a big thank you cus you can now have a real life that has been lacking in you.
Hence, you owe us a BIG thank you.

So, you are now a free man live your life without hence pretending to be who you are not.

Peace

MyJoe: Except for the highlighted part, that^^^ is a reasonable post, and I acknowledge your point.

If you go through my history of posting you will toil to find any insults or even little statements of rudeness. But then some people make it clear to you there is a certain way they want to be treated, and it's a dereliction if you do not do what is proper under the circumstances. This guy was twisting my words out of shape in the other thread, accusing me of preaching abortion even though I never said anything about the subject. You saw nothing wrong in that, as you did not remonstrate with him or even tell him to hold it that there are better ways of handling things like you did when the made his fraction post. I gave a calm response and simply moved on. What did he do? He went round the section looking for some of my old posts and throwing his tripe at them and turning my posts upside down wherever he comes across any. Don't you think he has spoken clearly about how he wants to be addressed if I am to get him off my back?

And, oh, you have been calling people fool on the thread long before I showed up. Olodo, I understand, means the same thing as fool.

**Edited**

lol.

Hahahaha.

Actually ^^^^ that was funny.

Just upgrade men.

Peace.

MyJoe: You forgot to add “slippery”.

Of course, you can’t read properly. In fact, you are a fool. Did I quote Olaadegbu or The Harp of God, Zion’s Watchtower and the Proclaimers’ book? Someone says the JW never said the world would end in 1914 and that they never changed their teaching on 1914 and I provide evidence from your literature that they did both and you are asking me if that is what was asked. Explain what was asked, you grounded rat.

Someone is now asking for “scanned copies” and saying day was not lifted along when the sentences were lifted from paragraphs. That's probably a more clever route, why don’t you try it? This is what I was responding to, you fool:

hahaha. Lol.

My friend why are you desending so low naa?

You know i would not join you.

But, have you notice that the real you have come out?

Imagine the indecency that is criticising JW?

Imagine!
Talking to your kind is a let down to me.

Pls. Upgrade so that you can be worthy of a reply.

Peace

Goshen360: Two of una dey joke abi? Me, I will not touch God's anointed o

what noting?

Is it bought with money?

It cant be known by claims

Am told to watch out for their fruit and not the claim of anointing.

Dont they all claim anointing?

Sweetnecta: @Nakash: A woman will marry a king who killed her tyrannical husband. a disbeliever to a prophet of God is just as bad as a tyrant. those of children of israel in lifetime of Moses [as] were killed by Yahweh through the actions of men or killed by order of Moses [as] for Yahweh. Either way the evil man dies by action of prophet for the Glory of God.

What was Safiya [ra] our mother's thought in all of this; her evil husband die under the Justice of God as He Commanded His Messenger [sa]. The former wife of an evil man is now elevated to the wife of the noblest of Messenger [sa]. She lived the rest of her life being referred in honor as family members of Harun [as] her father and Musa [as] her uncle. Is that such a bad thing now that the blessing on the house of the messenger [sa] covers her [ra]?

i am stunned!

MacDaddy01: Na waa oo!

But to find atheist women in Nigeria is hard....the only atheist woman I know personally is Asian

sure Thats the reasons?

jayriginal: Oh yeah. As a sophist, it may speak nothing. Be aware though that I sought to show disparity with the norm.

(By the way, I might as well make a caveat:

Im not in the habit of announcing my intake of strong waters, but even I saw the evidence in my last posts. I borrow a leaf from my mentor Deep Sight and hic . . . my way through this.

NOTE to Deep Sight:
thou shalt surely burn to cinders for this . . hic . )


No friend, its apt. Until you have seen a universe begin. And even after that. . .

As far as scientific Jones' are concerned, I dont need 'em. Whichever way science swings, I rely on me. I'm cocky like that. At the very least, I take excessive pride in my deep humility .


I advance nothing. I ask simple questions.

How do you know that your beloved cause and effect is of UNIVERSAL application. How do you know that it applies where physicists agree that it shouldnt ?


Its obvious to you, because your mind is limited. Not to me. I have contemplated the statement before our first headlock, and it does not ring true as of yet.
Open your mind.

actually, it seems it is you that needs to open your mind.

Even simple natural laws are desroyed by you.

What really have you said?

Educate me.

Cus i have learnt noting from you.

NGash!
(whom the Gods want to kill they first made them mad)

Zikkyy: You don't find this in the OP. The G.O saying the partners will be prayed for does not imply other members of the congregation don't receive (special) prayers, and it is not saying every member of congregation don't receive regular/routine prayers If you pray for your family on a daily basis does not mean your partner(for e.g.) will not receive a special prayer when he/she is going on a trip (especially if the trip requires flying with any of the local airlines ). Beneficiaries of gifts tend to offer that special prayer for the person presenting the gift, can you say it's unbiblical?



this is not from the OP. The prayers for the G.O is part of the package, you don't pay to pray. the G.O is not saying this.



You need to read the OP all over. It was always about the G.O, it has nothing to do with entering a covenant with Christ. see extract below:











Can't really say i read this in the OP, but the G.O statement appears to suggest this. I agree with you that it is unbiblical, but the G.O is not saying volunteering for the covenant partnership project is the sole means or even the better means for receiving favor. All he said was that the last batch of volunteers were favored.




You might be correct. The G.O is not saying you should give because the bible says so; he is not saying you are robbing God if you don't become a covenant partner



I don't know bout this, but it's a possibility.



Correct. My views are based on the OP, and it is the OP i was responding to. The issue to me is if the G.O was trying to milk the congregation. if he was, there was no attempt to manipulate the scriptures to achieve this.He simply relied on his influence. He was quite honest (that's if we exclude the 'i asked God' and 'he told me' bit). can't comment on that part cos i no dey there.



LOL my brother this is a possibility, but i don't have enough evidence to conclude it was an attempt to enrich himself.

lol.

You are very funny.

You are just doing the work of being the devils advocate.

Ok.

Since it is not from the bible we can then move on and let those that never have the love of God as to study the bible get themself exploited and damned.
2thesalonian 2:9-12

i Am the fine shepherd and my sheep listen to my voice = John 10:27
so, any MOG that does what the bible does not command does not listen to God's voice and is not christ sheep.

True christians received freely and are commanded to give freely. = John 10:8.
So they give freely.

It is also wrong to pay for the free gift of God. Paying for it is a badness to God = Acts 8:18-23
it can incur death.

So, what the op says is not suppose to be among christ followers.

Christ followers dont exploit people.
Donation is from the heart cheerfully.

Voluntary giving should come from the heart not under compulsion cus God loves a cheerful giver. Acts 9:6

the resolved should be from the persons heart 2corinthian 9:7




So, what is heard at the op is a bed thing in the instance that some of us dont know and it is not a thing of play.

Greed blinds a lot of people and they dont know when they have cross the line and offend God.

Pls, may we not see Yahweh as a shrine.

I dont stand on any other info outside the bible and as such i dont like going beyond what is written.

Going beyond what is written can lead to believe that is not supported by the bible
if knowing how specifically old the earth is was important to know befor having everlasting life i think God will have mention it.

Since God did not mention it i refuse to dable into this.

Gab or no gab.

My interest here is to correct any misinformation directed at the bible if i can. QED

so, no quoting the bible out of context please.

Peace every one.

Delafruita: what are you implying?

this guy statment is also correct.

I dont even see any problem here.

Goshen360: You guys will never stop to surprise us/me.......If God gave "seed" to the "sowers" and the sowers decides to sow seed into the ministry......why the heck should it bother you guys?....don't let the devil use you to run your mouth against God's anointed because there is a devil loosed in this end time. You people should just mind your own business since they are minding their own business, abi them force una to sow seed ni? mtchewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

whose God Anoint who?

Were you there when the anointing took place?

By their fruit we shall know them?

MOG

Goshen360: We should open another thread to that effect or what you think? Because as far as am concerned, this thread is CLOSED!

another thread then.

So be it.

Thread is closed.

Beautiful thread though.

MacDaddy01: Add Hades as well

lol.

What with the "Hedes"?

Did you notice that most of the atheist on this forum are married to christians (Wo)men?

Delafruita: my 36hours have expired.abi u wan make i do second term?

lol,

for someone that does not say he is a christian i must say that your knowledge of the bible is not bad.

Most christians really need to start asking themself pertinent questions.

I think you and Goshen still have some unresolved issues.

About your taking a second time it is your call.

I for one really want to stick with what i have seen to be an honest presentation not meant to please any man/tribal ego.

Not when even the Jews are not even spared in the bible.

Zikkyy: I don't understand you ooh! what has biblical got to do with fund raising. Are you saying there are biblical guidelines/procedures for raising fund? and the guideline is cast in stone?



I honestly don't know where this is from. It this from the OP?



Zikky a fraud? LOL



What exactly is the fraud? is it because the G.O requested for support? is it the part where he categorized the volunteer partners so the very poor can participate? is it the part where he offered to pray for the volunteers (on a daily basis)? or is it the part where he claimed to have communicated with God and God told him to....? please clarify.

i know very well that fraud stars are very slippery, but here, it is the bible we are talking about.

That you claim to not know does not make it right or make it a bible base practice, infact the bible does not say/sanction such practices

Since you cant say where it is the bible say that :

1. We should pay for someone to pray for us.
2. We should pay money befor we can pray.
3. We should pay money befor we should pray daily.
4. We should pay money befor we can pray for others
5. We should Pay money befor we can join a special favoured group that will enjoy a special MOG prayers.
6. We should pay money befor we can enter into a covanant with christ.
7. We should pay money befor we can receive favour.

It then means that what the MOG/GO here is asking for is not base on the bible and that his teaching here is not bible base.

That christ said you receive free, and you should give freely, this is a command from christ and he is not obeying it as such he cannot be doing christ work.

Christ said:
i am the good/fine shepherd and my sheep OBEYS my voice.

If he is not obeying christ voice he cannot be doing christ work and his power if any is not FROM God.

As for you, since you dont know that covanant and chistian prayers cannot be bought/ be payed for, you dont have anything to do with teaching/supporting such exploitation hear or cannot say it is valid in the bible

That your views on this issues are not base on the bible being the manual of christians.

Also, since you cannot show the payment/purchase of covanant in the bible it mean that such is not a bible sanction practice.

But it is the MOG mode of skinning his followers to enrich himself.

The bible is free of accusation. QED

Delafruita: which bible?

my 36hrs christian bros which one naa!

Avicenna: Ofcourse. I can.

So, take that little sarcasm about your name too.




Hehe.

lol

mkmyers45: Hmm...the classical cop-out argument...I knew you may come to this but i expected better from you

So Long...

opt what out?

You preached to me that God later repented and i said good for you but not me.

Did you ask me if i thought he later repented?

I had already given what i saw from the bible that God said that he created all things GOOD but you said he later repented.

Should i force you?

Am not a muslim naa!

All i can do is give what i see from the bible.

Peace though anyway.

Avicenna: Answer your name truthisLIGHT?

Be truthful.

cant you take a little sarcasm?

plaetton: Ok. fine.

Can you speculate as to how much money Rccg generates every week from its member worldwide from tithes , offerings, seed sowing etc?

Now how much do you think that they catholic church generates worldwide from its members?

Compare and contrast.
I have seen schools, hospitals and vocational centers run by catholic churches both in Nigeria and abroad.

So what exactly does rccg do with its money?

buy jet and the remainder for jet fuel and pay the pilot/staffs.

You know that jet fuel is expensive,

plaetton: Ok. fine.

Can you speculate as to how much money Rccg generates every week from its member worldwide from tithes , offerings, seed sowing etc?

Now how much do you think that they catholic church generates worldwide from its members?

Compare and contrast.
I have seen schools, hospitals and vocational centers run by catholic churches both in Nigeria and abroad.

So what exactly does rccg do with its money?

buy jet and the remainder for jet fuel.

You know that jet fuel is expensive,

Pastor Kun: Yes the intentions were clear they 'needed' or rather just wanted to raise some cash. Nothing wrong with that except the deceitful and manipulative way he went about it.

The idea of even dividing the 'partners' into ten groups based on how much they are willing to pledge is also very contrary to christian teachings in the bible.

this is to ensure that he collected from the poor also.

Big scam.

Zikkyy: This is what i read....

1.


. .and. .
2.


The baba no force anybody na.

if it is not biblical what right do you have to sanction it?

Is your salary from that scam?

Shame is what some people dont have.

Show us the passages that the bible said people should partner to enter God's kingdom/prosperity/miracles befor you come here to support that fraud.

If it is not what the bible say we know it is fraud.

Do you imagine we are so stupid?

If you dont show a bible passage to support that that offer is biblical it means you are a fraud also.

"All you lovers of God hate what is bad" the bible says. Psalm 97:10

unless you are not a lover of God then support fraud.

If the people knew there left from there right will they follow him?

So, since they have followed him he is justified to defraud them if they accept.

What an argument!