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@dehomer
Wao! Thats a suprise from dehomer, how logical u answered those questions by op.
Especially from one i considered to be the most passionate atheist on nairaland.
Beautiful, its easy to conclude that atheist are so ..., not knowing that some arrived at the state owing to what they have seen done and taught by religion they do see.
they do read the bible u know?

From what i have seen from the witnesses they dont claim that God is talking to them NOW and never did (note the present, now)
But rather, that the bible is God's word, from Genesis to Revelation, and they base all there teaching on the bible and are ever ready to show to any the basis for there teaching. Something that most churches will not stand for cus the bible will not support their believe Genesis to revelation.

The op at nos4 said that JW SAID THAT jesus appeared to them in 1914 = error, i say.
This is not what they reach.

Am rather suprise that the op(frosbel) dont know there is a calculation to that date, the date christ will start ruling in heaven, then Jesus will first displace satan in heaven and down to the earth, as a result of satanbeing chase down to earththe bible says woe to the earth cus of satan coming down having great anger cus he knows he has a short period of time. The prophecy says.
Pls. Op. Meet them JW they will show u the calculation that leads to 1914.

I have observe that this pentecostal and catholics dont know the bible and cannot logicaly present the message of the bible and that is why they breed confuse followers that cannot defend there believe when atheist ask them to, they only resort to irrationalities.

But for the info from the bible that are very reasonable and just, that the Jehovah's witnesses teach , the pentecostal and catholics will have led people to completely mistrust the bible.

With the knowledge we have today from science that blood harbors pathogens, viruses, million of bacterials, i know that no sane persons will play with other persons blood.
If scientist have not isolated Hiv, hypertitist and others how will we have come to know that blood is unsafe? I bet that some persons will have been drinking other persons blood with those diseases and imagine it will give them long life.

But 2000yrs ago the command that states: "if u abstain from furnication, things sacrifice to idol and from BLOOD good health to you" ACTS 15:29.
How helpful such advice was to those that kept to it then even though they could not have seen the viruses then.
Even Today, i doubt we have all the info on blood. (scientist cannot manufacture blood) but for the bible??

I dont think that it is foolishness that those that trust such a God that gave them such a law and same said that those that believe in him and keep his commands that even though they should die he will bring them to life. Even eternal life at that. That there reason for trust in such a God is misplace. John 5:28,29.

After all frosbel that hope to go to heaven is it by his power? Is it not same believe in God?
The point is that frosbel that is here quoting the bible does not trust absolutely in that God as to keep all his commands, but rather he is selective.

Those that have such faith in the God of the bible that they can stick for it 100% it is them that he is attacking, those that go out to teach people the bible free of charge without being paid, using there time and energy and resources just as the apostles and Jesus did are the ones frosbel open this thread to muck.

Frosbel, u cannot go out to preach from house to house as JW cus u are too big, u will rather collect tith in a mansion and use loud speakers to create unwanted vibes.

JW stood out to show believe that are unbiblical long long time ago. Eg.
*chrismas
*immortality of the soul
*that God will not torment people (this ur torment believe is annoying rational people)etc, etc.

Most people have come to know and see that they had said the truth all along, except those that want to open churches and collect tiths , or be paid salaries. so also are they right on trinity.

If dehomer can even rationally refuted what u said and others have also shown to u the consistencies of the bible and u refuse to accept i can only leave u cus ur motive may have an ego to feed.
Peace.

@dehomer
Yea! U are right there.
Ie. The one god that the monotheist have the atheist dont even have it. (one god less)
So, by the time u minus the one god that the theist have they are both the same..:
Lol.
After they both reject every other god(atheist and mono theist) if u should just remove the one god left for monotheist he is = atheist...

Agreed, that is if the theist will agree for that one god to go he then becomes atheist.

Ok, cyrexx. We can let this issue to sleep, we can see where u are coming from.

But take note. Some theist believe that those other gods are more than imaginary. They do exist for real, but considered as just demons not almighty God.
Peace

@frosbel
U ask me to say what kind of person Jesus was befor coming to earth.
Men, i dont know u, but ur interest in this topic is not bad as long as u have a honest heart.
Meanwhile i dont know what drives ur interest.
I dont know if u own a church or u want to own a church. Cus i know that all those that want to register a church under NAN must accept trinity, cus it is the central doctrine of christiandom.

But seeing the beautiful work that has been done by some guys on this thread makes my job very easy.

Yet, Two scripture i wish u should have a closer look is: isaiah 9:6 = Jesus mighty God.
Then Exod 6:3 Yahweh = almighty God.
Mighty God is less than almighty God.
Worthy of note is what this other god is doing, blinding the mind of people. So, shine ur eye. 2cor 4:4

@cyrexx and dehomer
Ur points are well understood from the angle u are presenting it.

The theist are only trying to say that though what u are saying about disbelieve may be right, the cardinal seperation thus still exist.
One has a god while the other does not.
So, saying they are finally the same, i thing is the bone.
Peace

truthislight: With the way i see things some peole will reward themself with everlasting life since they have the power to tell story that contradict the scriptures.

It is not a fact but falacy tha there are three gods.

Have any of those quoting 1John 5:7 ever made research to find out why Jesus never taught such?

Well, make research and u will find out that older manuscript dont have those passage but newer one have it, after the dead of the apostls and we know it is the handyworks of catholic monks. Toward 5th century ce.

Ok,

1. firstly, the bible at no place say that the holy spirit is a person. (otherwise show me)


2. Stephen look into heaven and saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of God (the holy spirit was missing. No referenc to it since it was not there, otherwise, oga holy spirit would have taken offence)


3. The word messiah or christ means annointed, did Jesus annoint himself?(anointing come from superior person to lower ones = Empower)


4. When Jesus died, are u saying there was no God in the univers for 3days?


5. Isaiah 9:6, a child is born and will be called mighty God. Jesus title is mighty God,
exodus 6:3 Yahweh(Jehovah) is refered to as almighty God.
Mighty and almighty is it the same? (people wickedness has made them in some translations to use Lord all through to loose this sense)

6. No man has seen God at anytime Jesus said, but we have seen Jesus (so u mean Jesus is a lier?)

7, if Jesus and his father are same, how come that he said, "that day and hour no one knows even the son"? Matt 24:36?

8. Read John 20:17. I "have not yet ascended to my father, ur God and my God"

8. Jesus prayed to his father, that things should take place according to the fathers will and not his own will (the night befor his death)

9. Jesus said that the father is greater then him.

10. The bible teach that Jesus will rule for a thousand years after wish he will hand over the kingdom to his father. (is he handing over the kingdom to himself)
etc, etc, etc

like i have said, some of u will have to reward urself, Jesus said he will dinied some people. Matt 6.21 to 23.
Due to lawlessness acts.
Peace

this whole thing from catholic has really couse people to believe imposibilities and mystries.

Do u people know who the god of Tamu is? If u dont know, find out.

The symbol of the god of Tamu = "T" has been taken by catholic = cross.

They mark this cross on their chest during prayer.

The three head of the "T" in Tamu = three(3) trinity the same nos of gods that this pagans had.

This pagans, who where they worshiping with this Tamu? God or satan?

So, when u transfer satans identities to christiandom u then think the almighty will accept them? Right?

Use ur head for ur life sake,
dont let all ur effort miss the almighties reward?
Peace

@cyrexx and dehomer
bro, how have ur day been?
I wish to try something on this issue.

Ok, according to ur reasoning,
theist are also atheist to other gods since they dont believe in there god just as atheist dont believe in christian God or muslim god.

So, due to this similarities of no believe in the others god u conclude we are also atheist to members of the other religion.

Pls, correct me if i slip.

Ok, two observations though.

1. Yes, theist may not believe in the others god but they still have their own god in which they believe in. This is unlike atheist that dont have any god of their own to fall back on at all,

2. That theist dont believe in a particular god does not mean that they are saying that those god dont exist, cus atheist i supose say there is no god. God or gods dont exist.

3. the is a difference between believing in a storey the way it is told due to inconsistencies and saying that the incident naver happen, and the later i think best explain the ethist view point.

So, my sumission then is that the op is not wholistically accurate, though their are similarities. But the diff is just want it is. One has a god he believes in while the other dont have any at all. = opposite END.

Unless u are saying, after the disbelieve of all posible god that atheist also have a god they fall back on or believe in.
Peace.

Dehomer, dehomer, dehomer,
we are following this thread and we expected more from u the super man.

If u cant deliver, then we will have to accept the option that u are the ring leader for dishonesty.

Kay17 is on this same thread posting his human views which we can relet with that it is not absolute.

Even lagerwhenindoubt.

But u, u, u. The ring leader instead of proving anything u are going in circle like a drawning man looking for what to hold.

If ur desperation was not blinding u, u will have seen that Davidylan was dishing out in the same coin to u.
Meaning it is a no win scenario since the issue has no prove.
But u were blind to this fact on the thread why

Who said that other atheist dont have what to say?

But they saw the argument and restrain themself but u could'nt see it.
Watch it.

David said he has been led on this for too long, what do you think he was saying?

Cool down bro. We are discussing, honesty is apreciated by all, even u, even atheist, even the Gods.

The reasoning is both the same from both of u, = faith...

Hope u can see this and have ur peace that comes from a honest mind.

If u dont, then grow old and die with out peace that comes with a honest mind.
Peace

@plaetton
so, what was the equilibrium that it is trying to attain,? Acceleration run away? (like in thermal run away)
How does rest, motion and there equilibrium affected by action (external impact or force) on the body? And what will there equilibrium state be later?

Is it not the state befor the action (big bag. So, equilibrium = state befor big bang = rest)?

U think that the speed off of the external garlexies is for it to attain equilibrium
Hmmmm!

Deep Sight: The universe is indeed real, but another fact that is as real as the universe is the real fact that the universe did not always exist. It is demonstrably expanding and as such commenced from a point.

You will really have to deal realistically with the real fact that it is real voodoo to really imagine that it really began to expand without external impetus. Just why would it do that? And why not before? Why was it even there as a singularity to start with? Where does a singularity come from?

Once you really address these questions you will really see that the supposition of external impetus is really real.



Really? And Richard Dawkins is a what?

Yes deepsight
the univers is expanding, at an alerming speed at that. (conclussion by the 3 nobel price winers last year)

if one should push his car to roll is it possible that the initial force will sustain the car for eternity?
Will that force perpetually continually increasing it acceleration instead of slowing down?

But the fact remains that the most distant garlaxies are ever speeding off faster than befor (that is after the big bag)

Q the force needed to enhance further thrust where is it coming from?

Dont forget that after all this while the logical thing is for the most distant garlaxies to be slowing down instead of speeding off further. That is what they were expecting to see, after the so long bigbag.

( where is the additional Extra force to increase their thrust coming from)
...THINK.............

@cyrexx
bro, have u ever considered bibles's prophercies and there fulfilment?

A trial wil be an interesting experience.

It is not for nothing that the BIBLE is over 3500yrs old.
And still remain the best seller till date,

befor taking the bible seriousl i was fill with Q as to why the bible will limit sex to only marriage?

Though i did not quite fancy it i realize that this standerds are not made to meet human fancy but are fail prove.

Consider, if sex was limited to one man one woman there would be no spread of HIV, even though it was injected into some one it will not spread cus the two partners will simply die with it while the rest of humanity remain safe.
The laws of the bible are all similar to this,
fail prove. Year in year out. No side effect.

This standerds dont yeal to human rationale at all,
that is why after 3500yrs it is still standing tall. And a perfect yerdstick.

Other authorities expires like text books,

also, the prophercies are seriouse maters.
They are accurate.

Just dont let ur former experience of saying yes to a pastor without reasonable reason prevent u from scrutinising the bible again.
Peace bro.

With the way i see things some peole will reward themself with everlasting life since they have the power to tell story that contradict the scriptures.

It is not a fact but falacy tha there are three gods.

Have any of those quoting 1John 5:7 ever made research to find out why Jesus never taught such?

Well, make research and u will find out that older manuscript dont have those passage but newer one have it, after the dead of the apostls and we know it is the handyworks of catholic monks. Toward 5th century ce.

Ok,

1. firstly, the bible at no place say that the holy spirit is a person. (otherwise show me)


2. Stephen look into heaven and saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of God (the holy spirit was missing. No referenc to it since it was not there, otherwise, oga holy spirit would have taken offence)


3. The word messiah or christ means annointed, did Jesus annoint himself?(anointing come from superior person to lower ones = Empower)


4. When Jesus died, are u saying there was no God in the univers for 3days?


5. Isaiah 9:6, a child is born and will be called mighty God. Jesus title is mighty God,
exodus 6:3 Yahweh(Jehovah) is refered to as almighty God.
Mighty and almighty is it the same? (people wickedness has made them in some translations to use Lord all through to loose this sense)

6. No man has seen God at anytime Jesus said, but we have seen Jesus (so u mean Jesus is a lier?)

7, if Jesus and his father are same, how come that he said, "that day and hour no one knows even the son"? Matt 24:36?

8. Read John 20:17. I "have not yet ascended to my father, ur God and my God"

8. Jesus prayed to his father, that things should take place according to the fathers will and not his own will (the night befor his death)

9. Jesus said that the father is greater then him.

10. The bible teach that Jesus will rule for a thousand years after wish he will hand over the kingdom to his father. (is he handing over the kingdom to himself)
etc, etc, etc

like i have said, some of u will have to reward urself, Jesus said he will dinied some people. Matt 6.21 to 23.
Due to lawlessness acts.
Peace

@ op

ma man cyrexx,
i still call u ma man though i dont know if u still apreciate it or not.

However, i will start by quoting 1cor 8:5
" for even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and many lords"

so, there are many, so many gods.

From ur sumission u are of the opinion that all this 20 religion are after the same god in there on way,
as such with the inherent disagreement and contradiction they can not all be right, meaning that each is wrong to the other persons view.

So, then,
from ur world view u are making a foundamentally wrong assumption considering the 1cor 8:5 i just quoted.

The truth is that each an every religion has it own god, and is out to defend and expose the stand of its own distinct god.
Micah 4:5

so, mr A has nothing to do with denying the existance of the other persons god but rather, he tries to project his own god.

Ur idea that they are all groping for the same god is the foundamental error with ur world view.

The issue on planate earth today, and always is this, who is the most high God?
In effect, who is the true God?

Each religion can only say theirs is the true God or most powerful.

The concern u have as a mortal is not the same as that of the Gods, since they dont have time constrain as mortals.
Mortals worry about limited time they have to harness gold while the gods dont have such worry, cus they know (eg, bill Gate will eventually die and relinguish the custody of the gold) mortals wount last long.

So, this is far from imaginary, if u thing it is, go take an oath in most of this gods temple u describe as imaginary and u will see what happend, just dont be on the wrong, i tell u, naira land will miss u for good.

So, ma man, the contention now is on which is the almighty God that has the legal right to Rule the univers, since that has been brought into question, and whose side of all this gods will u stand?

So, there are many gods and not one,
that A does not accept B, does not mean that B's gods does not exist or that it is imaginary
That B's god is not as powerfu as A's God does not mean that there was no god there.
If all this religion was for same god then ur sumision will have been right spot on.
Peace bro.

Deep Sight: Clever by half? Nah. It truly escaped you then.

I was referring to the lousy fact that some people repeatedly conflate the whats and hows with the whys and wherefores.

As crude example, a person who discovers exactly what makes a car work cannot for that reason conclude that it had no maker. It is a repeated trend amongst baby atheists; the assumption that discovering nature's secrets renders nature self existent.

@deepsight
Friend, following ur post so far on naira land and this thread inclusive.
And the thread on love ur neighbor as urself. That u politely advice martian to be cautious with his opinion.

I cant help but pick u out to my knowledge as the most honest atheist on nairaland,
additionally, u line of thinking is on the 3D plane. (deepsight indeed)

Pls. Keep it up and dont change for the garlary.
Thanks and peace.

Ptolomeus: Yes bro, my pen is down.
regards,

hahahahahahahaha. Lol.
Good one friend,
on a lighter mood.
I never thought i will be laughing this much.

Pls, pick up ur pen.
Pls, make use of it.
Ant u a funny chap?
Cool, i love that.
Peace

[quote author=::Andrew::]God knew that the world leaders had a law and their
law was contrary to the message God intended sending
to them, God knew that whoever bears this message to them
will become an enemy as the message was strongly against
their laws. Take for example someone is looking for somebody
to go and tell the people of america that they have a corrupt
government and they must repent and change their ways, what do you think
will happen to that person on getting there? jesus issue was much more
complicated than this. Christian call it sacrifice because it was a suicide
mission knowing very well that the laws of the lands were against the message
he was to bear.

God did not need any blood to be spilled for the sake of the world, the blood
was anyone who was willing to bring that message to the world being willing to
bear the consequence of preaching against the laws of the land.

Jesus is called a saviour because he was willing to bring that message despite
the penalty, he preached and make known the heart of God that we may hear the
truth. He was killed not to spill his blood for sacrifice as people demand to know
why God would do that, he was killed because that message which God wanted a human
to bring to humanity attracted death penalty in the land of the jews.


I asked God to explain to me why he will kill his son to save the world and this
is what was revealed to me.

many more contributions are welcome.[/quote]this is the most stupid and foolish narative i have ever red on nairaland.

I dont know if u read the bible at all.
Ok u said that ur god reveal it to u.
My advice is that u look at ur god seriously since he is after destroying u.

About 30 prophersies on Jesus were writen and amongst them were that the mesiah will have to die.
Thats the essence of the animal blood sacrifice that was a tutor leading to christ.
Without blood there will be no 4giveness of sin.
Since u dont set the standerd here i sugest that u help ur self befor ur god that is against what the scriptures says lead u to destruction.
Peace

Ptolomeus: I did not answer, but you're asking me to do ...

1. It is a group of criminally insane. This stupidity has cost many lives of men, women and children. You accuse other religions of savagery??
A religion (whichever) should serve to make people better, improve their quality of life and spirituality ... What you mentioned is something wild, inhuman and unworthy.
(You wanted to know my opinion, there you have it)

2. You should have spent more ... Sometimes it ends up being less expensive.

My respects.

bro, i dont understand what u have pen down.
Can u try and explain urself again so that we can get the gist of it.
Thanks

cog1: After reading your post,I understand your dilemma.Now,follow me,you must use your personal copy of the Bible as you do
1)Is God uncaring? The answer is no. Read James 1:13;God allowing bad things to happen does not mean he is the cause. There's a big difference between allowing something and causing it.
2)Is God happy about the terrible things happening? No again. God is a lover of Justice. Read Psalms 37:28
God felt hurt at his heart at the badness that filled the world in ancient times Read Genesis 6:5,6
God has not changed.Read Malachi 3:6 God cares for you Read 1Peter 5:7
If you had the power to change the wicked things in the world you would,right? Yes because we've been wired that way and we were wired in God's image,that is to say to resemble his qualities. Read Gen.1:26;1John 4:8,
3)You must have heard about how Satan challenged God and made the human race fall from perfection to the present disgraceful state. Read Genesis 2:7;3:6.
Romans 5:12;3:23. God's perfect sense of justice would not allow him to put the rebels to death straight away because time was neede to prove who the real deceiver was back then,now over aeons of years down the line,you and I know for a certainty who the real deceiver was back then,or don't you?
Were Adam & Eve right to believe Satan who had never done anything good for them?
Was it right for them to believe that Jehovah who had given them everything they had,is a cruel liar?
After the fall,God allowed them to find out for themselves who was telling the truth and who was lieing.The drama began,
You and I are part of the unfolding drama,whose side are you on? God's or Satan's,the ball is in your court.
4)Who really rules the world? Read John 12:31;14:30;16:11. Who really rules the world? Wake up,answer me on your thread,let's see if you understand that You and I can either serve God or the devil,its a choice really,do not expect God to hold you by the collar and demand worship,even if all tha atheists in the world decide not to worship God as they've decided,God can raise up stones to sing his praise.Alleluia.
5)How will Satan's world be removed? Read Rev.16:14-16;Isaiah 9:6,7,Matthew 6:10;Daniel 2:44. The Bible reveals that the time is near when God will eliminate the wicked world during his war of Armageddon,Rev16:14-16 refer,this will make way for a righteous new world with Jesus Christ as ruler of that heavenly kingdom that is why you and I should keep praying "Let your kingdom come" then Gods kingdom will usher in an earthly paradise.
6)The Bible assures us there are new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness is to dwell Read 2Peter 3:13;Isaiah 65:17; in the coming new world,those approved by God would receive the gift of everlasting life Mark 10:30,at that time we will witness these blessings namely;
7)Rev 21:4 He will wipe out every tear from their eyes(whether by Boko haram or whatever)
Isaiah 35:6 The lame one will climb up just as the stag does;
Isaiah 35:5 the eyes of the blind ones will be opened
John 5:28,29 All those dead in the memorial tombs will come out.Alleluia Satan will ultimately be defeated
Look for Jehovah's witnesses in your area and ask them any question they'll defend it from passages in your own Bible,I'm not one but if you want to meet christians who can defend their faith go to them with all your questions includinhg the ones on evolution.
Do you believe that what God says he will do?
Yes,I believe.

Cog1
What a beautiful post.
Though i have observe that u have the capacity to addres the young man issues from ur mind u rather summited to a superior rationale. Good of u.

How different u are from cyrexx and muskeeto, they were busy relating how false religion use there brain in the past, and believe that the same brain they use in bragging then is not still deceiving then right now.

If they have humble themself to go through the scriptures in ur post and subsequently try to ask rational question for or against we will have seen where they are coming from.

Meanwhile, reading there post i found out theirs is the experience of all this delusive people that does not appeal to reason or logic. But what cog1 posted is a rational case if only one takes the time to go through the scriptural references.

Why most people use their false religiouse experience as a benchmark case beat my imagination.
Without rational reason(foundation) from the bible one can not stand firm and defend the bible.

The understanding of the bible is not a magical process or instanter thing but effort and time is necessary.

What u did befor was to answer to a so call man of god yes that u want jesus to be ur lord and personal saviour without reason.

This guy cog1 from his post can rationally tell his left from his right and can stand any and defend his case but he is more interested in asking the young lad to rationally weigh his options for and against.
and not to show brain power. And what he is suggesting is different from what was use to deceive u.

Cog1
Thanks a million.
Peace

frosbel: The wages of sin is death , which is also referred to as the second death in the lake of fire, so yes we agree it is literal fire but it's duration is not for eternity , contrary to some false teaching which originated from the catholic church and pagan Greek tradition.

Google it.

yes, eternal torment is fales teaching,
however, the religious imformation u feed readers here so u google them?

Hmmmm!
Are u constrain with the bible?

I wish to take u seriously, pls, dont google what the bible teach, read the bible urself and if need be ask questions.


Peace

buzugee: you do realize that the death in that statement is 'spiritual death' not 'physical death'

Romans 6:23: "the wages sin pays is death but the gift that God gives is everlasting life through christ Jesus our lord"
So, then, if you say that the death there is spiritual, by extension u are also implying that the everlasting life there is also spiritual.

If that is the case there will be no literal reward of eternal life.

Ur notion is on the premise that Adam death the day he took the fruite was spiritual.
To this i say NO,
since he did not leave up to 1000yrs = 1day in Gods standerd, (2peter 3:8 )
he died that same day literally.
Adam lived 900 and.
So, the wages of sin is death literally and everlasting life is literal life.
Peace

cyrexx: simple,

its because god is imaginary and such image is created by wicked humans who cannot forgive you if you do not believe them or let them have their way controlling your mind.

it is man that created god is his own mind according to his image of wickedness and eternal punishment

shikena

this sounds like the film MATRIX.
Too much watching of film can have an impact i can see.

To the question.
Yes, just taking away of the life is enough for sin.
"Wages sins pays is death"
and not, wages sins pays is everlasting life with torment.
Dont mind the extrals use for exploitation.

some bible translation use sphere while others use circle.

I simply said it is unfair to input flat for the bible since no translation ever use that word. Flat.

If u say sphere, fine.
If you say circle, no comment.
But definitely not FLAT.
Peace

same old story.
Ask some of the sexualy promiscuous people what they think of HIV.
there usual answer is always that it does not exist.

We know why they wount want to own up that it exist,
however, that they refuse to accept that HIV exist does not take away the reality that it does exist.

mazaje: The purpose of morality morality is survival.Morality has to be in place to create order, coperation, forge togetherness, and ıt's untimate goal is to create a society that ıs less chaotic or free from chaos. Morality is a rule that guides the behaviour of each individual and it is based exclusively on the subjective scale of values of each one of those individuals. This moral guideline usually includes the same prohibitions found in the penal code and the laws regulating commercial exchanges between citizens, but the important difference is that the moral guideline that prohibits murder is obeyed “as the thing to do” as it is a ruling rooted in the self and not because of the existence of police. Morality is NEVER objectiveç it varies from place to place and is constantly evolving.

Even some of your biblical ınjunctions are now considered to be useless in today's world and according to today's already evolved moral codes. . . .Example ıs the sexist ınjuction that women are not supposed to teach in church or usurp a man's authority.

isn't he right? Morality has evolve!!!
How else do u explain that the society is pushing for legalisation of gay marriage, and we even have gay bishops.

Hahaha.
U then want society to accept a God that condame homosexuality!!!

I am a litle bit confuse here.

Is it only God that says homosexuality is misnoma? Afteral he is not the creator.

Nature seems to have prepared things in two's (not god and no god)

fishes = male and female.
Animal = male and female
insect = male and femal.
Plant = male and female
Human = male and female

hmmmm!
(i think nature is wrong, cruel and wicked = no nature)

so, then, a God that will not accept our evolution (evolve) does not exist.

What will u or can u do? I have evolve

Zodiac61: Before you get on your high horses, read Isaiah 40.22 again, and contemplate the shape of the earth.
It would stretching logic too far to say that the earth is a circle.
No matter what spin you seek to put on it, the bible got it wrong.
The earth is not a circle, it is a sphere.
You ask for honesty, it would be nice if you tried some honesty.
Sa you say, dishonesty destroys the mind.

good,
u also red it and it says the earth is flat, Abi?

Dont 4get the contention.

Hmmmm! Isaiah 40;22?

If we are to let laws to be an exclusive dictate by man there will be a limitation to the extent to which man can make law due to an inherent limitation of man.

However, it is wrong for one to stick to laws because of fear of purnishment, or just because of what one stand to get if the laws were bad
,
That will show that the individual is compel to be who he will otherwise not be. Or who he is not.


U will not enter into a marriage alliace with someone if u know that deep down in his/her heart does not love u even though the person gos through the motion to show he/she does.
That will be deceitful.


So, a threath to get people conform will not get sincere followership. But conviction will, owing to an honest mind. Isaiah 5:20


Q, how can man verify that a marital offer is genuine and not out of selfish intent?

Answer. No known law has been put in place by man to counter this deceit.

So, man is ill equip to set perfectly limit of what is good and what is bad.


But we have come to know that coveteousness exist and that it is bad.
a superior being that can read the mind has said "thou shall not covet"

This shows his superiority and lagitimacy to give a better law than man.

So, good and bad should follow his yardstick. Due to superior abilities.


Can you(man or woman varify coveteousness defaulters?)

cyrexx: so also is human laws formulated to regulate human behaviour without respecter of persons. there are many nations that follow the rule of law without respecter of personality. while harm is in varing degrees, there is no disagreement by healthy minds that murder is wrong. no modern country legalise murder.

you are trying to compare physical phenomena, i.e. time, with social phenomena, i.e.laws and morality. that is innacurate.

even christians dont have a generally accepted definitions of most of what they believe. that is so unlike physically defined realities. so what is the objectivity here.

i have explained all these sufficiently in my earlier posts.







wrong, Jesus being an "omniscient god", should have been ahead of his time and condemn slavery but he did not, he was silent about condemning it.
Slavery was also condoned and regulated in many passages of the in the Bible. There is no record of Jesus having commented on it. Paul had every opportunity to condemn slavery, particularly in his Epistle to Philemon. But he remained silent, except to urge slaves to be content with their lot and to obey their owners.

Early European Christians traditionally believed that Canaan, according to Geenesis had settled in Africa. The dark skin of Africans became associated with this "curse of Ham." Thus slavery of Africans became religiously justifiable.

By today's secular and religious standards:
1. slavery is clearly immoral.
2. cursing all of an individual's descendents into perpetual slavery because of an inappropriate act by an ancestor is immoral.
3. laying a curse on the son of the person who committed the act is immoral.


But in ancient times, cursing a whole race into slavery was considered acceptable because it was in the Bible. The European and American slave owner felt that he was carrying out God's plan by buying and using slaves.







a. masochism is a mental disorder and should be treated as such. it is clearly wrong.

b. locking a non-human species monkey inside a cage is not wrong. it is morally wrong among monkey species but not human species, especially for greater good of human research. but we are dealing with human morality here. if animals can somehow protest and debate and reach consensus on their morality, then we humans can amend our laws to suit them. but i dont know of any animal that has such morality. we are rational species and no other species share that with us.

c. standard of mental health. do i need to define that. who does not recognise a mentally unhealthy human. his irrational behaviour will show this of course.


d. moving the age of consent to 12 is morally wrong, because only an inconsiderate adult will be "favoured" and this will do a great irrepairable harm to a fellow human growing child. this is clear.


by the way, dont forget that Yahweh orders his worshippers to murder every man, woman and child who worships a non-Yahweh deity after "creating" those children to be born in cultures where non-Yahweh is recognised as the Almighty.

dont also forget how he cursed innocent children because of what their parents did.

justify this acts of wickedness to children. is it moral or not.

there is the saying that what u dont know, see, or understand is greater than u.

Since u dont believe that God does exist, it goes without a say that u dont also beieve that satan exist.

However, sinec God sees satan and sees all is plans and intent it is him that knows when and how to thwart his plans and uproot his seeds,

when people open thereself to satan, they are vulnerable to his exploitations, and they can be a tool in the hand of satan, even there children,
when God that sees the big picture takes actions to ensure that his plans to redeem humanity is not thwarted, u with limited sight will then call him to account to u,
well done.

God says that Human should not be involve in socery, human will not know why, but it opens them up to satans manipulations.

Such it was with the so call wise men from the east that followed a supernatural sign (star in this instance)
that, instead of the star leading them to infant Jesus took them to harod an enemy of Jesus that led to innocent children being killed, but for the fact that God interven it will have led them to kill Baby Jesus.

When God sees this exposure and knows the future consequencies and took prompt action to ensure that his plans to free human from satans control materialises u find fault with him not being able to see that u dont have the whole facts.
Read the bible again, u will find that all those expose to satan, God always demand that they be killed.
This instances led to babies being kill, be them Jews or Gentile nations,
that it not always said, almost all what u read in the bible
follows this trend.

I wount blame u since u dont have all the facts.
Take care.
Peace

Kay 17: Drawing inspiration from a book that claims the earth is flat, that animals talk, that a man walked on water, and the strangest theory on genetics.

kay17
u need to do better than this,
ma man, when i read ur post i always get excited,

but u just posted that the bible said that the "earth is flat"

Try and read Isaiah 40.22. ( = earth a circle)

Bro, i do expect more from u. (honesty)
its a virture u know.

At least, lets be honest, who knows?
Dishonesty destroys the mind.
Peace

@cyrexx
Bro, the issues concerning David and the seventy thousand (70k) is an interesting piece that if one is over critical on God will fall prey due to what is call haughy heart.

befor i explain, i will want u to cite the portion of the bible that give the reason for that action. Cus it is also there.
If u are able to cite the portion of the bible that give reason for that action, then i will go ahead and explain more on that scriptures.
If u cite the scripture, it will show that ur motive for reading the bible is not sinister.
Since with ur quotes u give us the impression that u know the bible in and out.

Or do u just go through the bible looking for what to post?

I believe that the bible is written in such a way that only sincere persistent searchers for truth can go in and get the right idea, otherwise, what u get is subject to what ur mind is made of. So that at the end u get a befitting recompense.

Failure to cite where the reason for that action was given will simply reveal ur intent, and i cant follow u on such sojourn.

However, i will give a clue (book of chronicles)

The reason for persistents in asking question is to prevent one from going astray.
Peace.

@cyrexx
ma man cyrexx,
Aside the underlying intent of ur effort, i must say that religion has actually had a huge part in keeping the world the bad way it is.
Exploitation, war, deception and what have u.

However, due to the generalisation am compel to ask.

Does the fact that there are fake currency in circulation a rationale to conclude that there are no genuine currency available?

Or,
does the fact that there are genuine currency a rationel to conclude that there are no fake currentcy?

Well, a careful consideration of this questions simply highlighted the dangers of being extreme on either side.

Meanwhile, the attraction to me is the two bible text u quoted above.
Friend, the two scriptures are similar, the only diff being that one is to the Jews while the other is to those professing christianity.

The both are refering to leaving the right way and chosing the wrong one, and God LETING them have the wrong way since they never remain in the right way.
Vers 21 of Ezekiel, says, they walked not in my statut, neither kept my judgement to do them. Which if a man do he will even live by them,
read vers 20 to 30,
in 25 he said he let them have statute that were not Good just as the nation all around were having since they rejected his own laws. Note, he let them. (use diff translations)

2thess 2:11,12 is similar,
God let them accept the illusion since they did not accept the truth as to be saved. Read vers 9 to 12
(make reference to more than one translatoin)

In both instances it is a reference to his reaction to those who did not remain in his way the right way, so he let them to go wherever they want (wrong way)
what u cited shows consistency in standered,

note what the truth is., John 17vers 17

(eg. ur wife wants to quite, well, u let her leave)
peace

@cyrexx
Bro, i believe we are not just following thread for the sake of following thread but the info therein.
There are so much on this thread that if am to open a new thread may not just follow. We arrive at where we are on this thread logically. It is only those that are genuinely interested on knowing the reason of the thread that will follow thus far but those not interested are not hear.
It is not all thread that i can follow since some are fill with abusive speaches.

I never said that the word DNA is found in the bible,
What i said is that a jew that live 3000yrs ago knew that the process that brought him to life did not follow a random process, but that it followed recorded process (coded)
Which is what DNA IS.

What u are putting to me That the statement can be interpreted to mean other things is what u are saying to make your case.

Mine was to point to the fact that a jew without the know of modern science had already said so.

Basicaly, 90% of statement can be taken out of context.
But that does not remove the fact that he said that the process that brought him to live was not random but rather followed a written process. (book = code. Code is a format to follow)
The question of where it was written is not the issue here.
If u have reservation on this why not have a look on the others, job and isaiah?
A honest examination is not a bad thing i guess..
Peace

@cyrexx
we are still waiting.
Dont 4get that we have so many other biblical evidence to examined.

We are yet to get to the aspect of the prophecies contain in the bible that have all come true.
We are still waiting.
Peace