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@Annoy
Ur reference scripture is from one translation.
Unless u are saying that the word "destiny" is a greek word.
Do all translators accept that the word use there should be predestination?

@kay17
Yea! U are right, its even greater faith that props up big slam.

Now why should u have faith when u have not studied the bible?
The much u know is from critics online.

And the little u know is devoid of the aspect that should build the faith in question.

U are just like i man that lived 2000yrs ago that was told that man can fly, even across the ocean he retorted,
"thats impossible, man has no wings, man cant fly"
How right he was "man's got no wings", but man does fly.
How limited human are.
Especially if they remain like the "2000yrs" man. Chose to remain literal.
Peace

Freksy: The Bible contains five references to the mighty spirit creature Michael. Three occurrences are in the book of Daniel.

At Daniel 10:13, 21, we read that a dispatched angel is rescued by Michael, who is called "one of the foremost princes" and "the prince of you people."

At Daniel 12:1, we learn that in the time of the end, "Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people."

A further mention of Michael occurs at Revelation 12:7-9, which describes "Michael and his angels" as fighting a vital war that results in the ousting of Satan the Devil and his wicked angels from heaven. No other angel is portrayed as having such great power and authority over God's enemies.

Notice that in each of the above-mentioned cases, Michael is portrayed as a warrior angel battling for and protecting God's people, even confronting Jehovah's greatest enemy, Satan.

Jude verse 9 calls Michael "the archangel." The prefix "arch" means "principal" or "chief," and the word "archangel" is never used in the plural form in the Bible.

The only other verse in which an archangel is mentioned is at 1 Thessalonians 4:16, where Paul describes the resurrected Jesus, saying: "The Lord (Jesus) himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet." So Jesus Christ himself is here identified as the archangel, or chief angel.

Both names—Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?" and Jesus (meaning "Yahweh Is Salvation"—focus attention on his role as the leading advocate of God's sovereignty. Philippians 2:9 states: "God exalted him (the glorified Jesus) to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name."

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ.(Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31) The apostle Paul made specific mention of "the Lord Jesus" and "his powerful angels." (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: "He is at God's right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him."—1 Peter 3:22.

Additionally
If Jesus is not the same as the archangel or leader of the angel, it then means that there are two angels leading the holy angels in heaven(two captains in the same ship)

It will mean then that we have two set of holy angels.
One for Jesus and one for the archangel.

Pls. Let allow the bible to guide us and not bending the bible to suit trinity.(that Jesus is almighty and so can not be call an angel)

There is one set of angel in heaven, not two. All unitedly serving the Almighty Yahweh.
Not divide and rule.
Peace.

Well, it is either following the bible has help them as a group or it has not.
Are u saying that this unity is as a result of human philosophy? Well, that will be a great monumental achievement for humans...

And, by the way, that seems to be ur personal opinion, that they dont follow the bible.

However. Lying is bad.
1. U said that the witnesses dont accept vaccinations.
Yes, they do, but blood? No they dont.

Hmmm!
Ur desperation to paint them bad is so high.

U did say that Jesus and his followers could not be involve in politics cus they were missionaries.
Well, on that same ground, what do u think?
the witness are all missionaries too, too busy to be involve in politics.
They are too busy preaching from house to house to have time for politics.

About the 1975 issue.
The magazine said that after the sixth(6) day of creation God rested.
It then said that 1975 will mark the sixth thousand years of human history, then it asked.
What next?
The magazine never said that the world will end that year.
People understanding defer,
So, if u had understood that to mean that the world is coming to an end, that was ur personal ideas.

The unity that exist amongst them is a very big testament to what christianity would have been if all others that claim christianity had followed the bible and not human philosophy like urs.

Just see the mess religion in politics has created.
Case study, Nigeria.

Christians and muslims.
Fortunately, the witness stay clear from politics and war.

Did u ever imagine when two nation goes to war who kills the other at both ends.
Eg.
Catholics in Nigeria kills catholics in Cameroon during war and catholics in cameroon kills catholics in Nigeria in same war. Where then is the love?
This is impossible among the witnesses since they are always neutral, and would not support war. = Love among themselves.

Peace.

Kay 17: In order words, exaggerated hope?!

Then, by implication u are saying that big slam is an exaggerated believe.

Meanwhile, whats the essence of sequence?
When we observe the order of event over time we can rationally be able to deduce/determine the subsequent order though it has not yet taken place.

When one for instance examines the bible and it content/univers it follows rationally that one believe that there is a God.

However, it is also possible for one to live in denial of the obvious.

It can only be call faith if there is a rationality to accept the sequence, otherwise it will be a delusion for one to accept an irrational tells.

The bible, though not a science text book is very accurate on scientific matter
.
It does not contain bogus story, but very serious information that opens our eyes to the world we live in.

It is only an unseriouse mind that will not take the bible seriousely, or one that does know what the bible contains.
Peace

Kay 17: @enigma

What is Faith as practised by Christians?

Faith is:
"an assured expection of things though not beheld"
What is big bang?
Did u beheld it?
U guys need to change and be honest.

Kay 17: Without the fundamental foundation of observation, Science will not exist! No such oxymoron exists. Theories aren't empty speculation, rather are shaped by evidence.

Imagine!
As though big bang is as a result of direct observation.
And an atheist will tag it scientific.
Simple dishonest mind.

Delafruita: you are either dumb,mumuish or a product of a very baaad educational system.
i am 10000% certain that no sensible person will read that post and have the slightest notion that i am a muslim on a clandestine operation to damage christianity.
a thought just occured to me:your reading and comprehension skill might be just as bad as your writing skill and in that case your folly can be forgiven

Yes no sensible person will read that and get the sense am getting cus the drama was perfectly played out.
U are just wandering how i come to know.
In fact u are asking. If there is a statement from those post that let the cat out of the bag.

Funny.

Delafruita: you are either dumb,mumuish or a product of a very baaad educational system.
i am 10000% certain that no sensible person will read that post and have the slightest notion that i am a muslim on a clandestine operation to damage christianity.
a thought just occured to me:your reading and comprehension skill might be just as bad as your writing skill and in that case your folly can be forgiven

There are honest muslim that dont resort to second hand means like u are doing.
Honest muslim that concentrate on there worship. Not out to lie against others and there are also the kinds like u.

The anger and reaction says other wise.
U even got so angry that u went personal.

Well, unfortunately for u, i dont use foul language and i dont curse, so i cant even imagine thinking of paying u back in kind.

It only goes to show the kind of individual we are dealing with, extreme lack of humanity and decency.
Peace

Delafruita: first,i responded to the contradictions you posted by saying the old testament is known to have errors.its principally a book of history to which no claim of divinity is attached.hence its errors dont get much attention.
second,i agree that muhammad was a great leader but i dont subscribe to the divine revvelation of the quran.
thirdly,islam has as one of its arctcles of faith a believe in the holy books.islam claims the holy book revealed to isa is injil which christians call the new testament.there is a genuine belief that jesus never existed and if that is true,it means jibril sold a lot of hocus-pocus to muhammad.furthermore,jesus didnt write the injil so i wonder when it was revealed to him.the injil wasnt compiled till over 300years after his death.its either muhammad heard wrongly or he spoke based on the prevailing circumstances of the time

Can one just imagine this lad?
He will start by making bogus assumptions and end with making outrageouse conclusions.

How did u arrive at the "being written 300yrs after Jesus dead"?

Well, u are a character fill with lies even against me, so, i should not take u seriousely.
Beside, i had already u who u are.
A muslim.
Thats why u come up with this argument that the muslim always put forward to discredit Jesus while projecting muhamed.
U are just putting up an act to deceive the unsuspected nairalanders.

This forum is feel up with muslim with double usernames posing as atheist.

300yrs indeed.
how can some one with a conscience come up with such kind idea if not some one with a hatred like the boko haram?

If u dont have conscience in killing human's how can u have conscience in lying.

musKeeto: F**kingIdiot..

All this blows for one man?

None, not even one is dishing a light blow?

I think some people are atheist because of the exploitation and deceite the have come to know and suffered because of religion.
As such, the anger is understandable.

Meaning that religion should lead by example.

But only Fxking2012 alone can not carry ur accumulated anger.

Pleading for him.

Hahahahahahahaha.
Peace

cyrexx: My man, Mr truthislight,
You love Yahweh so much that you will defend him for exactly the same crime that you will quickly blame Allah for.
Maybe on another thread we shall fully deal with all his atrocities but this thread is not justify them but to blame them in a sarcastic manner.
If you feel offended, sorry. But remember that you people always offend us when you call us spiritually blind, and hell-deserving fools.

@cyrexx
I have never condem any body to eternal or hell fire befor on this forum.
So, the General word "you people" was wrongly use.
I dont even believe in the teaching of eternal torment, so why tag me on that?
Pls, lets always be just.
Peace

cyrexx: O, you mean dissolute people like his chosen tribe, the ancient Jews whom he commanded to slaughter every man, woman and child who worships a non-yahweh deity of other cultures.
Do you even know about biblical history as narrated in the O.T.
Do you know how mad it will look if that kind of genocide is carried in this day and age.
Do your homework well and come stronger if you want to defend that bloodthirsty, racist deity.

If you would try and read the bible book of sammuel again with insight,
u will also see another aspect to the reason why he ask saul to revange the Amalakite.

According to him, the Amalakite attack the Israelite on there way out of egypt in the wilderness, without any provocation, killing innocent men, women, and, children. Collecting there lives stocks and scartering them.

Was it Yahweh that ask the Amalikite to do that? (u are not aware of this)
Or it was their own God that told them to attack the Innocent Israelite that at that time had no military force for protection?

Since u dont have all this details i can understand why u seem to see things one sided.
However, deliberate ignorance to an issue can not be accepted as an excuse.

Well, am very well aware of ur limitation, that u dont know anything about satan
and his agenda to frustrate the plans of Yahweh.

However, any person that dont take the possibility of not knowing all the facts to an issue and passes Judgement really needs to do a thorough self re-examination.
Peace

^^^^ Its a free world.

musKeeto: ur kind of truthisdarkness...

in the realms of crap, ur last post reigns supreme..

I have come to know that people problem are relative.

So, u should 4give me if what i consider a problem to humanity is not so.

While some of us will die some day, i know u will never die.
Wishing you well on you eternal life sojourn.
Peace

lagerwhenindoubt: why do folks never ask a honest question - one of the reasons I go to church religiously - you have to be on your guard 24/7 haba!!!

do u go to church

@myjoe
Am actully taken aback by ur rationality.
U said that unity is equal uniformity of world view?
Are u saying the JW all beheave and think the same way all over the world? No personal idiosyncrasies?
Hmmmm. U mean that with following the bible as God's word the whole world will be united as such? Well, u said it.

I do know that, unity to them means that they all accept what the Bible says as final, and it creates this outstanding unity in them?

1. Concerning blood. Read Acts 15;29. It says u will prosper good health to u if u abstain from blood, furnication, idolatrouse sacrifices (things), and things strangle.

2. Politic, John 17;6, Jesus said his that " they are no part of the world just as he is no part of the world"
one can only have one vote. They have voted for God's kingdom that they honest preach about and pray for Matt6;9,10.
Not withstandinding, they are law abiding citicens, they pay their taxes and obay all laws of the land that does not contradict bible priciples. And they love their neighbours.
When they wanted to make him king he refuse and went to the mountain.
He Jesus said that his kingdom is no part of this world. John 18;36

3. Jesus says that the time and hour no body know.
But Jesus also said that his disciples should be on the watch so as not to be taken un aware.
There are lots of bible prophercies given to christ disciple to help them know the situation they are in the schem of things, so that they will not be caught sleeping.

As a watchman, that will be unfortunate, and meaning that they can not be able to warn others to awake for their lifes.
They have never said they know the day.
But they cant go to sleep rather they keep on preaching to people that God's kingdom is near, explaining bible prophercies to this effect.

4. They have elders that serve as a Governing body. Read Acts 15;1 to 11.

This is the example set out in the bible.
The number is of couse not fixed.

They dont pass out their personal opinion since they all recongnise that peoples lifes are at stake.

They are all humble men that go out to preach to others from house to house.

They dont take any credit for anything since they know that if they did not follow the bible they would not have taken the preaching work to the ends of the earth.
Peace

@myjoe
Am actully taken aback by ur rationality.
U said that unity is equal uniformity of world view?
Are u saying the JW all beheave and think the same way all over the world? No personal idiosyncrasies?
Hmmmm. U mean that with following the bible as God's word the whole world will be united as such? Well, u said it.

I do know that, unity to them means that they all accept what the Bible says as final, and it creates this outstanding unity in them?

1. Concerning blood. Read Acts 15;29. It says u will prosper good health to u if u abstain from blood, furnication, idolatrouse sacrifices (things), and things strangle.

2. Politic, John 17;6, Jesus said his that " they are no part of the world just as he is no part of the world"
one can only have one vote. They have voted for God's kingdom that they honest preach about and pray for Matt6;9,10.
Not withstandinding, they are law abiding citicens, they pay their taxes and obay all laws of the land that does not contradict bible priciples. And they love their neighbours.
When they wanted to make him king he refuse and went to the mountain.
He Jesus said that his kingdom is no part of this world. John 18;36

3. Jesus says that the time and hour no body know.
But Jesus also said that his disciples should be on the watch so as not to be taken un aware.
There are lots of bible prophercies given to christ disciple to help them know the situation they are in the schem of things, so that they will not be caught sleeping.

As a watchman, that will be unfortunate, and meaning that they can not be able to warn others to awake for their lifes.
They have never said they know the day.
But they cant go to sleep rather they keep on preaching to people that God's kingdom is near, explaining bible prophercies to this effect.

4. They have elders that serve as a Governing body. Read Acts 15;1 to 11.

This is the example set out in the bible.
The number is of couse not fixed.

They dont pass out their personal opinion since they all recongnise that peoples lifes are at stake.

They are all humble men that go out to preach to others from house to house.

They dont take any credit for anything since they know that if they did not follow the bible they would not have taken the preaching work to the ends of the earth.
Peace

@myjoe
Am actully taken aback by ur rationality.
U said that unity is equal uniformity of world view?
Are u saying the JW all beheave and think the same way all over the world? No personal idiosyncrasies?
Hmmmm. U mean that with following the bible as God's word the whole world will be united as such? Well, u said it.

I do know that, unity to them means that they all accept what the Bible says as final, and it creates this outstanding unity in them?

1. Concerning blood. Read Acts 15;29. It says u will prosper good health to u if u abstain from blood, furnication, idolatrouse sacrifices (things), and things strangle.

2. Politic, John 17;6, Jesus said his that " they are no part of the world just as he is no part of the world"
one can only have one vote. They have voted for God's kingdom that they honest preach about and pray for Matt6;9,10.
Not withstandinding, they are law abiding citicens, they pay their taxes and obay all laws of the land that does not contradict bible priciples. And they love their neighbours.
When they wanted to make him king he refuse and went to the mountain.
He Jesus said that his kingdom is no part of this world. John 18;36

3. Jesus says that the time and hour no body know.
But Jesus also said that his disciples should be on the watch so as not to be taken un aware.
There are lots of bible prophercies given to christ disciple to help them know the situation they are in the schem of things, so that they will not be caught sleeping.

As a watchman, that will be unfortunate, and meaning that they can not be able to warn others to awake for their lifes.
They have never said they know the day.
But they cant go to sleep rather they keep on preaching to people that God's kingdom is near, explaining bible prophercies to this effect.

4. They have elders that serve as a Governing body. Read Acts 15;1 to 11.

This is the example set out in the bible.
The number is of couse not fixed.

They dont pass out their personal opinion since they all recongnise that peoples lifes are at stake.

They are all humble men that go out to preach to others from house to house.

They dont take any credit for anything since they know that if they did not follow the bible they would not have taken the preaching work to the ends of the earth.
Peace

@myjoe
Am actully taken aback by ur rationality.
U said that unity is equal uniformity of world view?
Are u saying the JW all beheave and think the same way all over the world? No personal idiosyncrasies?
Hmmmm. U mean that with following the bible as God's word the whole world will be united as such? Well, u said it.

I do know that, unity to them means that they all accept what the Bible says as final, and it creates this outstanding unity in them?

1. Concerning blood. Read Acts 15;29. It says u will prosper good health to u if u abstain from blood, furnication, idolatrouse sacrifices (things), and things strangle.

2. Politics, John 17;6, Jesus said this, that " they are no part of the world just as he is no part of the world"
one can only have one vote. They have voted for God's kingdom government that they honestly preach about and pray for Matt6;9,10.
Not withstandinding, they are law abiding citicens, they pay their taxes and obay all laws of the land that does not contradict bible priciples. And they love their neighbours.
When they wanted to make Jesus king he refuse and went to the mountain.
He Jesus said that his kingdom is no part of this world. John 18;36

3. Jesus says that the time and hour no body knows.
But Jesus also said that his disciples should be on the watch so as not to be taken un aware.
There are lots of bible prophercies given to christ disciple to help them know the situation they are in the scheme of things, so that they will not be caught sleeping.

As a watchman, that will be unfortunate, and meaning that they can not be able to warn others to awake for their lifes.

They have never said they know the day.
But they cant go to sleep rather they keep on preaching to people that God's kingdom is near, explaining bible prophercies to this effect.

4. They have elders that serve as a Governing body. Read Acts 15;1 to 11.

This is the example set out in the bible.
The number is of couse not fixed.

This dont pass out their personal opinion since they all recongnise that peoples lifes are at stake.

They are all humble men that go out to preach to others from house to house.

They dont take any credit for anything since they know that if they did not follow the bible they would not have taken the preaching work to the ends of the earth.
Peace

ezicat: Sarcasm - the refuge of those who can't respond directly to an argument.

You know what - Jesus should have; after all, one can argue that the mindset of the created is due to the environment left them by the Creator. Would the people of those times have been so primitive if the prophets had taught them otherwise - I mean we are talking about God; the creature who (allegedly) created the entire universe. You would think that teaching the only sentient beings on this planet the way the planet worked would have assited them greatly in making a home for themselve here. I mean, loving fathers don't let their children into the world without giving them the necessary tools (so why would God have done that to early humans if he is as the Christians say he is?)

Or maybe it's all part of the punishment from the curse of Eve...Hmm. Speaking of Eve leads us to Eden. Where is Eden? I seem to recall very specific descriptions of this paradise on earth with a river border here and a river border there. I remember the shock I felt as a child when I finally understood that Eden is supposed to be here on earth. Maybe it's been engulfed by mountains or its under the sea or something because I think every corner of the globe (on the surface anyway) has been explored by man - I haven't yet heard of any place being blocked by two angels with swords. Or maybe it's in another dimension...like, the spirit world or something. The Bible didn't say anything about that though - Adam and Eve appeared to be flesh and blood.

Nah - Eden was probably just a metaphor. So....where do the metaphors stop and reality start? OMG Maybe heaven is just a metaphor. Hmmmmm

Something else I've trying to find - the descendants of was it Ham? The guy that looked upon his father's unclothedness. One little thing to warrant a curse of eternal slavery, don't you think? Although some theologists have said that "unclothedness" doesn't quite mean nudity. Anyhoo, where are his descendents - they are supposed to have a mark on them that makes them easily recognizable as destined by God for enslavement. Some say that the mark is darkness of skin (at least that's what people thought back in the day). Egad! Would that mean the Bible has condemned us, blacks, to slavery?

Walking away.

from all indication u are a very wise guy, and i think that for a smart guy like u all u need to fixe in ur life u have fixe it.

Well, i will be very surprise if you should have limitations, cus i know that death is a very big handicap to human and a very big problem.

Have u ever imagine if guys like Isaac Newton, Faraday, lablace, einstein,etc. Are around that they would have had oppurtunity to contribute the more to humanity?
Well, death is our Greatest problem.
So we have lost them in death.

Ah! This is what the bible is all about, removing death.
But that is not a problem to you.

That is why U are hear telling me that Jesus should have taken time off to teach sciences.

Well, since death is not a problem to u, i then should hope that u will not die. Because if u should, then u are a disapointment to humanity.
And anyday u complain about the lost of someone since death is not a seriouse issue to u like it was to christ, then that day is the day u should know how delusional u are.

Pride, one of the deadly sin.

Kay 17: Man knows Nature was present before he came on the scene. Man knows of the secrets and principles/workings of the Universe. Man didn't create the principles behind a triangle, or the workings of motion, or centrifugal forces; rather man via intelligence was able to harness these to his BENEFITS.

In an empty world, intelligence is useless, omnipotence is everything.

Has ur rational/intelligent brain told u that u have answered the question?

Well, intelligence is relative.

When u are ready u can answer this simple question.
Peace

Kay 17: But if you said it was a rock, I would easily conclude that it isn't man made rather natural. However since its a house, I must conclude that its man-made as all houses are man made in my experience.

beautifuly said.

Meaning that though u have not seen or know the builder u just know that such a structure as complex can not just come about by chance. Good.

A building and a man/woman (human) which is more complex (the brain) that can be left to chance more easily?

Ur answer is still also a function of who you are.
Peace

Kay 17: ^^

But your religion is validated solely by faith, when did the lack of faith become ignorance??

hmmm!
I can see that everything u believe in are physical for u to see.

There are nothing that u believe in that u cant see,
Guy, assuming u are i a very thick jungle that human seldom venture into.
And out of no where u site a very big house standing in front of u what would ur conclussion be?
That the house appeared on it own or that you will ask "who built this house?"
even though u did not see the owner or builder.

The answer you give to this question should tell you how honest u are.
Peace

Delafruita: and your aim is?i didnt see any quotes from samuel,kings or chronicles.not even exodus and numbers.your research never complete

and ur own aim is to create confussion

I cant see where she even said a word of her's

I am begining to feel that u are a muslim here to derail the bible.

I may be wrong, but its just my hunch.

Dont we have freedom of speech again?
Dont we have freedom of worship/thought again?
Hmmmm!

MyJoe: Yes. I was clear enough all along. The Witnesses boast about this fact (as you have done here) and won't ordinarily deny it. Maybe you were just too busy clapping for thehomer who was just doing "debate" to notice the point I was trying to clarify for him and his readers. The Witnesses emphasise how united they are and in their mistaken view, unity equals uniformity of worldview - which is achieved at the expense of freedom of thought, conscience and opinion.


You put it so well. Your statement would be perfect if we substitute "personal opinion" for "human opinion". Witnessing is a product of human opinions.


Wrong. If you were right, why are matters on which the Bible is not clear, such as (1) blood transfusion, management and related matters, and (2) the return of Jesus, not left to individual consciences or understanding? Why is participation in politics through voting or other means not left to individual consciences?


You cannot say no individual is a mouth piece since God does not speak to you. People do. Or the literature you read, are they printed from heaven? Remember that according to the Watchtower magazine, your FDS is represented by the GB, which is made up of about 12 people - all male, all elderly, nearly all white. These twelve or so people are your mouthpiece. What they say is all that matters to you. Nothing else does. Voicing out a dissent (not an enquiry) to anyone can lead to consequences.


There are many issues the Bible is not clear on and there are many others it is not very clear on. What people do is to use their own opinions to interprete it and then attribute that to the Holy Spirit. Deal with it.

Note: Your answers to my questions so far show clearly that you labelled me wrongly when you called me "dishonest". And I am certainly no "religiouse people (pentecostal/catholic)"

^^^i assume this are the issues u had raise earlier?

I will soon respond to them, though on the condition that we limit our discussion to the bible.
I hope this is well with you.
I hope to be back Soon.

@myjoe
I dont like being personal on a forum.
If it is true that ur interest is on confirming info about the JW THE BEST option is a one on one discuss.
My interest on this forum is to defend the BIBLE.
Meanwhile, while i am on that if there are related issues that interest me i may attend to them.

On this note i suggest u bring up the point u needed comment on and let me and others see what can be done to them using the bible.
Thanks and peace.

Delafruita: i just read your posts on the other thread.you put up some nice points but one thing you goofed on is the fact that i never quoted josephus flavius.my only reference to him was that he was the first historian to mention jesus.every chronology i stated have been universally confirmed to be accurate by historians.
i have stated a few times on this forum that there were errors in josephus account and even "mr josephus" aka buzugee can attest to that.
however if i decide to go with your analogy that herod died in 1BC,then there's still a problem because quirinius became governor after archelaus was deposed.history records that archelaus reigned for 10 years.going by your analogy,that will mean herod died in 1BC,archelaus is deposed in 10AD and quirinius becomes governor.based on this,matthew will be saying jesus was born in 3BC and luke will be saying he was born in 10AD.thats a while 12 years in between.it is believed that jesus was crucified between 30-33AD(if at all).all the dates just dont add up.there's no explanation that can take away this clear contradiction.one of the accounts is definitely wrong

Guy,
with so many people past and present turning out to be enemy of Jesus christ one realy need to trade cautiously else u start a case on wrong foundation due to distorted info.

U will agree with me that even u while attempting to refute my post deliberately or by omition imputed to me that i said that Jesus disciples were martyrs and as such will not be around to write the bible.
This, i never said.

Now, can u see how easy it can be for the facts to be distorted, expercially when it has to do with a "Jewish messiah" that even the Jews rejected.

Then one wanders who will protect this informations?

Definitely not historians that u dont know there bias.

Beside this issues that is dragging us outside, i think u and me agree on lots of other things, like things taking place on the name of God that are just too bad,
deceit, exploitation, wars and lots of other wrong things.

It is advisable for one to learn to be sceptical when one reads info from the net cus u never know the driving force behind the persons intention.

Even those that should have protected the bible took liberty at it making additions.

Most nation hate to imagine the Jews as being a spercial people (eg the German =hitler).

To me it is a miracle that the bible survive thus far
considering the onslaught that has gone against it.

However, making reseach is never a bad thing, cus even Jesus himself said one should keep asking.
Peace

[quote author=kiu_usm]I thought you’re a rational human being regrettably you’re not. We are not here to insult any personality or religion but to understand ourselves and reasons together like human being .
Pls read the Bible, Mathew 5:19-20 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
The above verse clearly stated that if you break one commandment including the Old Testament u’re not going to enter heaven therefore u have to believe everything in the bible if u’re a true Christian
Now let pint out some contradiction in the New Testament. Read: the following and compare it yourself

John 5:37
ye have never heard his (God’s) voice at any time, nor seen his shape
or
John 14:9
…he that hath seen me hath seen the father.

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true
or
John 8:14
Jesus answered and said unto them though I bear record of myself yet my record is true

I can give you more on your request.

Coming back to Holy Qur’an just as you said “.he usually dictated his revelation to his companions who wrote it then read it back to him to ensure there were no mistakes” Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) received revelation from Angel Gabriel at that time they memorize, write it on stone, leaves, etc as of that time that’s what they had. It it’s the same text that we are still using unchanged and will never be anywhere you go in this world is the same Qur’an 114 surah (chapters and verses) and Its; Allah (GOD) that is protecting it from changes not like the bible where you have the Protestant Bible i.e. the King James Version, contains only 66 books as they consider 7 books of the Old Testament to be apocrypha, i.e. of doubtful authority. Some verses are deleted some are added (need example just ask)
The Holy Qur’an stated in cha 29:46 that:
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).
I’m not going to insult anybody simple because he is Christian but to pray to God to guid him/her to the straight path which is total submission of your will to God just as Jesus (pbuh) Did and said in John 5:30 “ I can of my own self do nothing as I hear I judge and my judgment is righteous for I seek not my will but the will of my father (my God) who sent me.
I hope you will read with an open mind.
If you have any question don’t hesitate pls.[/quote]a
what u just said can only stand in the bible if u use trinity as ur bases.

But as it is, trinity is not base on the bible since Jesus clearly said that he is a diff person from his father.
Peace

Delafruita: i dont know why this same keeps popping.i think i responded to it about 40mins ago.however reading it again,i realise my response was inadequate.i stuck with correcting your impression of josephus flavius.first,i will not be drawn into an argument about a fact that is veriafiable with a simple google search.nobody is a paragon of knowledge,i certainly am not which is why i sometimes refer to google to confirm some facts.you should do same instead of ranting like a ...............

still the same deceitful character i had advice u drop.

The facts i gave to u is what u want to cover with mud.

Why do u think Josephus decided to give the war history if he was not seriously involve in it?
How can he be an authority if he was ordinarily on the run like others?

What privilage information will he have that will make him an authority?

After a civil war who is in the best position to give a realistic indept analysis?

I told u the simple truth/fact.
Instead of saying thank you u resort to insu......

Do u think that by claiming rationality it makes u more intelligent?

Do u imagine u are the first person that has doubt with Religion and the bible?

Is ur situation really doubt or u are bend mentally and morally?

Do u think by lying against me it makes u an intelligent person?

Stop bending the facts and develop an honest heart.
From ur exuberance i dont think u are more than 45yrs, so i suggest u cool down and start taking in knowledge.
U may not know all also.
Flavius Josephus Ben matthius was a commander in the Jewish Revolt against the Romans.
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proo212: @Fresky, Is God a Spirit or not?

Yes God is a spirit person.

His holy spirit is not a person, but a reference to his power that he use to do whatever.

When Jesus was baptise, God spoke from heaven, saying "this is my beloved son"
then the holy spirit like a dove decended upon him.

Are u saying that the Dove was the father of Jesus since God is a spirit?

Hmmmm!