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@cyrexx
We are waiting.
Its like there are others waiting for u also.

Or. Is the Job and Isaiah ambiguorse also? Pls.
Peace.

cyrexx: before we proceed did you agree that your first quote is ambigous and that muslims do that with their quran too?

Actually, i did not see the psalm as ambigous,
u know u are the critic here, what u are looking for is different from mine.
So what u see maybe diff from what i see.

Thats why i said we let others have there take on it,
we are simply exposing knowledge.
Right?

Cyrexx
after u are through with Job 26:7

consider this: Isaiah 40:22

"there is one who is dwelling above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the one who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell"

please, whats ur take on this also?

It was written 3000yrs ago.

Cyrexx
Hmmm! Well, it was refering to his parts in his mothers womb vers 13. Down in writting in a book, vers 16.
o! He did not tell where the book was, u are the one looking for it.

we let other readers air there views at this point.

Ok, the earth hanging on nothing, Job 26:7.
"he is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing"
whats ur take on this?
It was written 3500yrs ago.
1500yrs befor Jesus was born.

cyrexx
Hmmmi
So u do go to that web page?
I have learnt a lot from there.

I wander.
I thought u where also suppose to copy and pest the definition of DNA and so that we consider the meaning?
Does the word: Desoxyribonucleic acid mean any thing other than it is an acid except it is define?
Cyrexx, why are u handling issues this way?

I had ask how will a jew living 3000yrs ago looked at his mothers womb and knew that there was a written code to gird him befor he was born,
I then said that in his own language that is a reference to a blue print which is what DNA IS.

Vers 16 said all it part was down in writing.
The word DNA IS A COINAGE THAT REFERS TO MOLECULAR BLUE PRINT OR FINGER PRINT.
Did u expect to see the word DNA?
I never said that the bible contain the word DNA
(the bible is not a science text book)
Peace.

cyrexx,
pls, u can do that. Then u can express ur feeling and other readers will also do the same.
Psalm 139:13 to16
Am reading mine from a hard copy. (not digital)
Note. It is not a science text book.

@cyrexx
Pls. If u should Just scroll up a little u will see were i quoted three scriptures. Isaiah, Job and then psalm 139:13to16.

DNA we know contain the genetic blue print that living things obey and are made accordingly,
Without using high terminology the psalmist said that while in his mothers womb all of his parts where written down in a book.

Scientist say that all the information about who an individual will be is contain in the DNA.
The sex,
The Height,
The Eye color etc. Etc. Etc.
The psalmist simply puts it so 3000yrs ago.
So, being written down, he turn out to be what God has already coded down, so he gave God the praise.
Consider it from different translation and u will get more info.

@cyrexx
Bro, now, which of what i have said do u think i have not provided biblical back up?
Cause on this thread i have been quoting scriptures as i speak.
However, if there are specifics u wish i should show where it is found in the bible i will be very glad to do that.
Peace.

@cyrexx
Men, what i presented to u where scientific facts and not miracle of any sort.
What i quoted are facts.
I had ask u to present on this thread evidence that the koran contain scientific facts and not miracles.
Pls. Site the koran evidence in black and white so that those reading can relate to it and benefit, not all readers will want to go to the thread u quoted. And NOTE, NOT MIRACLES BUT SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
Or verifiable prophesies. Note, eg. the extinction of Babylon = 50miles from Iran. Site ur reference clearly.

I know u are circumcise, but u will never ask how come human just decided to cut off the foreskin of there manhood to get the real head?
It was this God that u said never existed that told Abraham to do that so that the whole world will know that he created man and that he is God.
So, meaning that in the womb he covered the head of ur manhood to prevent fluid from entering it, but once u came out the head can be expose. Circumcise.

Then, U will tell me that the gods of other nations knew that,
and let there people go with the head of there manhood covered.

Am waiting to see u cite what other Gods have to offer.
If u cant.
Then u know what to do.
Cyrexx, u are not imaginary and the evidence i cited are as real as u.
Am even wandering if u red my post befor replying.
Infact Ijawkid reproduce it for all to see.
Peace.

@cyrexx
did u just say that atheist dont follow rationality or that atheist dont follow reason? Then, i am putting it to u that there are atheist that are very honest people.

Cause the question i just presented are not religiouse doctrine but are factual guestion.

Is it that u are forming ignorant that in every issues there are cases against and cases for?

That U decide to close ur eyes to an issue does not necessarily mean it is a no issue.
That i decide to stand on a rail road and said nothing will happen does not mean that something will not happen.
That u avoided given me an honest answer does not mean that other readers will not see through ur self denial.

Are u remotely aware that the bible correctly foretold the appearance of the world powers?

Are u aware that the life and activities of Jesus were all foretold befor he was born?

Are u aware that the date of Jesus birth was foretold in advance?

Are u aware that the city and place of birth was also foretold?

Are u aware that the destruction of the city of Jerusalem was foretold befor it was destroyed in 70CE by the roman army?

I told u that u quote the bible out of contest and u thought i was lying, now u just said that the muslim can give similar prove like the one's i just cited from the koran.
Pls. Can u prove that?
That the Quaran is both scientifically accurate?
Prophetically accurate?

My friend, Without an honest mind it is impossible to read the bible and get the sense of it, so, i am afraid for ur sake.

How can u pick false teaching that is being spread by religion and start going in circle and think it is the basis to access the bible?

All that this religions are doing is it all that u think the bible accept?
But those are the same things u will later use to criticise the bible and justify urself that u have done the right thing.

The bible give health and moral laws that are perfect and that is why it will ever remain relevant,

Pls. Show me what u said the koran contain that are similar to that i just presented from the bible.
If u cant, then i suggest u dont make such sweeping statement that is aim at misdirecting people.
The aim of this forum i believe is to shear what knowledge is available and not just to feed our ego.
I will site some of the references and let other readers access ur claim that the writer did not say it.
Isaiah 40:22
Job 26:7
Psalm 139:13 to 16
Peace.

cyrexx: i have been around listening to your discussions

its just that i do not share the same conviction with you that the bible is the word of god or that the bible is infallible.

so i will rather just watch and see what you have to say from the bible and pick any sensible statements and discard the remaining superstitious aspects.

Bro, good to hear from u.
Bro, U said some aspect i present are superstition. Well, thats seems an unjust statement given to me since i dont believe in superstition neither will i accept it.
The bible is a vary rational book when viewed from the right perspective or angle.
I did even considered what my options will be if i am to accept the no God option in my earlier post. Let me shear it with u.

Will u consider this as superstition?
I posted this earlier.

"If i am to agree with u, i will then have to assume that the bible is not Gods word, then i have to accept also the following:

A jew leaving in tent 3500yrs ago stood up, look at the sky and came up with the conclussion that the earth is hanging on nothing And got it perfectly right. Abi?

That a jew leaving in a tenth 3000yrs ago also stood up and looked at the sky and came up with the conclussion that the earth with its oceans is like a ball And got it perfectly right, abi?

That a jew leaving 3000yrs ago looked at the skies and knew that there are galaxies and got it perfectly right, abi?

That a jew leaving 3000yrs a go (without microbscope) look at his environ and saw bacterials and gave laws on it prevention from infections, also knew that the diseases thereoff are contagiouse and listed out it preventions and maintenance/diagnoses, and got it right, abi?

that a Jew 3000yrs ago, look at the skies and saw the water vepour going up to the skies to come back as rain, and listed the water circle perfectly, and got it right, abi? etc

that a jew look at his mothers womb and knew that when he was form there was a written code that guirded the process, and got it perfectly right, (DNA) abi?

Why is it that it is only the jews that have this nag for getting it right spot on? But when other well educated men like aristotle attemted it they got it all wrong?(philosophers)

That so many Jews without the assist from any God foretold there history in advance and that of other nations including the extinction of the nation of babylon of which it ruines is still with us just 50miles from Iran?"

Etc, etc etc
Cyrexx
Honestly, tell me which i should accept that i will not look or rather fail? Should i conclude they just got lucky? Those are men natural way of being perfectly insightful?

Will u consider this question superstition?

Bro, there are so much facts from the bible that i get puzzle, and amaze.
from what i read from this site
I some time wander how i wish i have a better avenue to consider this stuff with you.

cyrexx: actually i saw your write up but i am still having a hard time understanding what you meant.

1. are you saying the only prayer that god can answer is prayer for god's kingdom to come?

2. are you saying that he cant answer other prayers too for the benefit of humans now now, or he is just in the futuristic coming kingdom?

Bro,
I have not heard from u for some times now. Hope all is well?
I and kay17 have been having hearthy discussions all this while i did not even hear from u.
Peace.

Kay17
that is a rational conclussion that u have arrive at.
Again, faith grows gradually, and it is a function of bible knowledge though.
It will be wrong to blame u for not having faith on the bible right now,
that comes as we individually prove with bible knowledge what was, what is and what is to come.

I added some bible quotation on my last write up that add evidence to moses writing of the torah.
Peace

Kay 17: ^^^
I agree with you partially. I watched a documentary on the Chernobyl nuclear disaster and saw people (the liquidators) selflessly exposing themselves to deadly radiation to contain the radiation from spreading across Europe.

These ppl must have felt that urgency, percieved the helpless of the potential victims and also making a mental calculation that sacrificing themselves was a small price in saving the world for little or no praise.

Sometimes Love is the purest instinct.

thats ma man kay17.
How good of U.

Kay17
it all depends on were one interest lies in this matter.
Most of the bible writers did write about things that the human eyes can not see.
Eg, the bible writer of the book of Job mention satan entering into heaven where other angels where gethered.
This write up in job does not appeal to rationality since we will not accept that statement on that ground,
but if u ignor it u make a very big mistake,
since the same writer in this Job 26:7 said that God hangs the planet earth on nothing.

So, here a measure of faith is necesary, the one that is varifiable compels u to accept the one u cannot proved.

The book of Job is also assign to moses.

Moses have the privilage of talking to angels all the time,

God said that he talks to his servant moses face to face.

Most of what is contain in the torah was open to the public in the temple in Jeruselam befor the Romans destroyed the temple and burn it down, and so went most of the info, but for copies that where with christians outside, or copies kept in synagogue outside the rest where destroyed.
Geneses and the book of Job are similar.
If i believe there is God, i have to believe in his ability for him to protect his word,
afteral, it is this word that Jesus said that all man are to read to have knowladge for everlasting life. John 17:3.

Additionaly,
see Exod17:14, 34:27
Luke24:27, 44
Josh8:31
moses learn how to read and write in the house hold of pharoe where he he was adopted.
Peace

Kay17
bro, at this point i dont think we still have much bone to grind about the bible( argue about)

meanwhile, ur reference to the third person in the writing of the first four books of the bible does tell me that u do read the bible, that is highly commendable. Though i cant really say what ur mind set is while reading the bible(motives)

however. That a book is assign to an individual as the writer in the bible does not mean he held the ink and scroll, most write through secretaries, eg Jeremiah = Baruch, but the book is of Jeremiah.
So, when the subject dies, the secretary can give his burial details.
I believe the human mine has an infinite capacity to learn new things, so my suggestion is that u examine the bible without carrying the error of man to access it. There are lot of good that can come out of it.
Peace

Kay17
its like my own version of history is different from urs, or is it that u just want to present it as to make ur case.
U ask for a valide date for torah, if i got u correctly,

Note, moses wrote the first 4 books of the Torah, how long do u think the history of the nation of Israel is?

the bible is very well dated,

most Jews studied in greek as it was the official language spoken as of the time the NT was writen,
i said that those philosophers propounded teachings that were different from what the bible says, eg, an immortal soul that exist after the dead of the body precisely(less i miss up issues), while the Torah Ezikiel 18:4 says otherwise.
Like there contemporary Aristotle that live at about same period.
He got the issue of the shape of the earth wrong and it led to the dead of Galileo, again, the catholic church has accepted Darwinian Evolutionary theory irrespective of what the bible says and u are defending it just like the catholics of old not withstanding the bible tract record.
evolutionary theory is express as though it is a fect even though it is a theory.

U dont even have the benefit of doubt for such??

U can do well to secularly confirm the date ascribe to being the date of the start of writing of torah.
With my precise date quoted above u should at list concede to the point that am sure of the date of the torah.

But like kay17 i have come to understand, U NEVER SAY DIE.
Peace

Kay 17: Socrates and co died long before Jesus came to the scene not to talk of the Bible, therefore its impossible for em to criticise what didn't exist.

Galileo was persecuted for going Church sanctioned Dogma. His appeal wasn't to the bible (cos then only the Church could interpret the bible) but to naturalism and the Obvious. His persecution is similar to resistance Darwin faced.

Science isn't built on random, absolutely intuitive premises and principles. Check out the philosophy of science. It has few similarities with religion.

The bible like we have it today is over 3500years.
So, if we remove the NT, some part of the OT still be 1kplus years older than Jesus.
Jesus christ lived in the first century CE. = 3500 - 2012years = 1400plus years.
Parmenides, philosopher/metaphysicist live 500BCE,
Socrates,philosopher lived 470-399BCE,
Plato, founder of platonic/platonism philosopher, 4th century BCE.

Since the OT is about 1500 BCE old, befor Jesus came in the 1st century CE, and those philosophers lived 5th and 4th BCE. Its obvious that THEy met the Torah(OT BIBLE)
They where active on other issues, they formulated the teaching of the Immortal soul.
the OT says the soul dies.
However, there contemporary.
Aristotle lived 384-322BCE. His views influence by that of Pythagoras he formulated the theory of geocentric earth (earth being at the center of the univers, like in the center of the onions)
This was Aristotle's view while the bible in the OT CENTURIES back has said that the earth is a circlic and hanging on nothing.
Aristotle theory was a child of philosophy not science.
his reason being that a moving earth would encounter friction and grind to a halt.

In the 13th century CE.
The Roman catholic church haven adopted Aristotle view led to the confrontation Galileo.
Galileo promoted the Heliocentric concept and asserted that it HARMONIZES WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
His trial and death in 1633. Because he rejected the interpretation of scriptures base on greek philosophies he was condemned.

However, in 1992 the catholic church with it nag to follow greek philosophy accepted error in the dead of Galileo.

Can this greek philosophers be equated to bible writters?

Kay 17: You are making such conclusion, on a premise that knowledge is divine??

If so, Socrates, Platos, Parmenides and co were voices of God??

I don't think knowledge is divine, humans are ordinarily capable of perceiving and understanding the world around. I don't think its God that told em.

are u aware that some of the names u just mention at one time or the other did attempted refuting what the bible said as not being rational only to be prove otherwise later on?
That the catholic church errorniouesly kill Galileo by following the views of those individuals? While Galileo stuck with the bible?
did u just mention names and said " i dont think knowledge is divine?
I thought u will have Quoted what they did and let it be extra ordinary, o! Dont 4get that they have to humble themself and say it was anothers idea (God's)

are u telling me that this ur knowledge u are shearing with me i can take it and make a hip about it and it will stick just because u sheard ur knowledge? O! It will remain as the inthing and upto date for the next 3000yrs.

(Note, bible writers were not career men and have no ego to feed.
They were shepherd, kings, farmers, fisher men, doctors, servants.
Most had no formal training at all they. They were honest men, so, when they said God ask them to write i then have every reason to believe them. As the evidence show)

Men, does the world celebrate midiocrity?

If u are a science oriented individual u will agree with me that certain constants use therein are just out of this world and if u should attempt the proving u will know it just not that possible, if u ignore it ur mathematical solution becomes impossible, we accept inspiration from certain souces, but u will not just want to concede as long u have held to ur idear of no God.
u want to stay put, wont even appeal to reason.
By the way, if it was religion, we would have called that "dogma".

I had ask u to advice me on what my conclussion should be after examining those info contain in the bible, unfortunately u 4got? Or, Is it that u avoided giving ur honest advise, less i know how honest ur mind is.

I appreciate the fact u are an intelligent fellow, but ur intelligent will serve more use if it gives credit to the designer then give such beaautifull credite to rude chance
peace

cyrexx: You have still not answered my question.
Is there a god who answers prayers in this present physical world according to the promises in the bible?
You dont need to give more than a simple yes or no.
Your previous explanations have not addressed my questions.

ma man cyrexx.
By now i believe u should have known that i am not a member of cristiandom.
By now u should have known that i absolutely believe 100 and 1% convince that God exist,
why do u want me to take panadol for other people christiandom people haedech?
i am not a greedy person, and what God empower men to do as to form the bible suffices for me,
i dont look for miracle. When I red in the bible that satan empowers people to perform miracle as to lead people astray, 2thessalonian 2:9to12 i concluded that if satan has gone into that it means that Almighty God will no longer make use of it as not to create confussion. It ends with the apostles. 1corintians13:1to10

SO, ALMIGHTY GOD IS NOT INTO MIRACLE TODAY.
But, he has interest in the preachihing of the message about his kingdom that is to come. MTT28:18to20

note, here, christ says that he will be with those preaching the massage of the kingdom till the end. Makes sense, everlasting life is more important.
Peace

Kay 17: You haven't provided any ground to believe the bible is the word of God, other than assume its God's word and then find a reason on God's discretion not to show it.

That is not still helpful.

If i am to agree with u, i will then have to assume that the bible is not Gods word, then i have to accept also the following:

A jew leaving in tent 3500yrs ago stood up, look at the sky and came up with the conclussion that the earth is hanging on nothing And got it perfectly right. Abi?

That a jew leaving in a tenth 3000yrs ago also stood up and looked at the sky and came up with the conclussion that the earth with its oceans is like a ball And got it perfectly right, abi?

That a jew leaving 3000yrs ago looked at the skies and knew that there are galaxies and got it perfectly right, abi?

That a jew leaving 3000yrs a go (without microbscope) look at his environ and saw bacterials and gave laws on it prevention from infections, also knew that the diseases thereoff are contagiouse and listed out it preventions and maintenance/diagnoses, and got it right, abi?

that a Jew 3000yrs ago, look at the skies and saw the water vepour going up to the skies to come back as rain, and listed the water circle perfectly, and got it right, abi? etc

that a jew look at his mothers womb and knew that when he was form there was a written code that guirded the process, and got it perfectly right, (DNA) abi?

Why is it that it is only the jews that have this nag for getting it right spot on? But when other well educated men like aristotle attemted it they got it all wrong?(phylosophers)

That so many Jews without the assist from any God foretold there history in advance and that of other nations including the extinction of the nation of babylon of which it ruines is still with us just 50miles from Iran?

Etc, etc etc
kay17
Honestly tell me which i should accept that i will not look or rather fail? Should i conclude they just got lucky? Those are men natural way of being perfectly insightful?

@cyrexx
exactly, thats the point the bible give,
the prayer has to be in ternets (agree) with Gods master plan,
even the apostles work was same with Jesus work as an example written for our own benefit, with wish to build our faith for the future. Meant for all mankind to read and know God.
but people will not want to take that, cus, all they want is "let it be now now" 4geting issues that are at stake that made the messiah to come at the first place.
(to show the way and reconcile)

but for those that are ready to look to the new system of things the advice u where quoting does apply, while preaching to others about it and there primary interest is the coming of Gods kingdom they are urge not to be anxious.

Bro, viewing matters from this wrong teaching from christiandom u where absolutely correct.

Christiandom has left the hope of the coming kingdom and teach the faleshood that the kingdom is hear and humans are still suffering and dying,
just as they have done with many other doctrine, leaving the truth for dogmas.
The coming of Gods kingdom means a restauration or a paradise hear on earth literally, cus the bible shows that the time pass has been for satan to prove his challange in eden that Adam will be better of on his own deciding for himself what is good and what is bad.
Since human lot has worsen it shows that satan challange was wrong, that human would have been better of remaining with God who had given them all the good they know at the first place, justifying Gods intervention in humans affairs that he had had hands off.

I wish u did read the bible parts i cited so that u can access the refferences for urself.
Daniel 2:44
Revelation 21:1to5

A look at christiandom shows how greedy they are, a complete contrast with the life of christian the bible paints.
By there fruit u shall know them.
And u were just showing how shallow they have become.
Peace

@cyrexx
bro
i wander if u saw my write up or even red it,
u have been so busy with the born again.

Kay17
i did ask u if ur poem and u does follow in like manner to what is describe about God.
Waiting for ur feed back.
Peace

truthislight: Cyrexx
this was u at ur very best
kay17
ur Q is very rational, if God knows what we need befor we even pray why then do we have to pray?
Hmmmmm!
I must confess that this Q got me rattled some times back.

Let me start with kay17 Q since it will lead to cyrexx's
the assumptions that is made about prayer is that it is only almighty God that human can pray to but that is not true, case = moses in egypt and the egyptian magician both prayed and both got answers with the snake.
So, there are two masters, almight God and satan the devil, the both can be access by human in prayer and they are happy when human pray to either of them.
The issue of freewill comes in since God will not force human to pray to him, but he is happy when u consider the options and choose him(trust him) instead of satan, when u pray to him u have taken a stand on Gods side. So, u have to take side, no neutral ground.
Cyrexx,
note what Jesus said as a conditin for God answering of prayer : "whatever u ask the father according to his will he will answer"
the condition for answering of prayer is that it should be according to Gods will.
What then is God's will?
MTT6:9,10 shows that God's will is for Gods kingdom to come.
The bilbe consistently says that satan is the one ruling over planet earth currently and the failures we see are his.
The problem is that people are asking that those things that God promises to give as blessing or attraction for God's kingdom that is what people are asking for in this satan system, are they saying that God shoul fixe satan's government? No, for God says he will remove satan and his system Daniel 2:44
then
In Gods kingdom the blessings are then made Rev 21:3,4.
(Infact, the bible message is a paradise lost and how God went about restoring the paradise)
Jesus himself recongnise this condition for prayer that is why on his last night befor his death in prayer he said " not my will but according to ur will" (note: Jesus is not almighty God)
so, when prayers are made out of what Gods will or plans are it CANT BE ANSWERED by God. Human dont set the standered, they can either fit in or go astray.

Cyrexx, there is no human that have or will ever perform miracle greater than what Jesus did,
the greater thing he said that his followers will do greater than him is, as a preacher that preach in Judea and it environ he later sent his followers to preach to the most distant part of the earth MTT 24:14 and for good reason.
So, the discilple's work will then be greater.
What should they preach? "the kingdom of God is at hand" (which is according to God's will)
and Jesus promise to be with them as they do this work, MTT 28:18to20.
The instructions u were quoting in Mattews are giving to those adjusted to this will of God,
that they should not be anxiouse about what to wear, eat, etc that there heavenly father knows they need this things,
food, clothing, sheltar, though they are still in satans world,
It is those that are adjusted according to Gods will that those words apply and there prayers will not go out of what has beel outline since they are seeking Gods kingdom first. Mtt6:33

all those saying that the greater things are miracle = error, 2thessalonian 2:9to12

kay17, on the bible's authority.
When taking oath people swear to greater entities as a guaranty that they are saying the truth,
in the case of God since he says he is almighty he can not swear to smaller entities that he has once taken a challange to and destroy to show that there is no other greater than he is,
as such he usually swear by himself or to hlmself.
since he said that the bible is his word
who does he need to attest to lt to varify what he says?
However, Jesus christ is called the faithfull witness.
Do u want to stand on his way to default him on what he says in the bible? I dont wish u take such chances.

Concerning ur poem can the same things be said about u and ur poem?

Cyrexx/kay17 this particular apprroach is an example of how criticism shoul be made with qoute and quetions.

The blame is for those carrying the bible for what it out not to be use for, that is what give rise for criticising it out of context.
*If the cited scriptures are not red the sense will be lost.
*I may not have address all issues, remind me were i did not.
Peace

@cyrexx
bro
i wander if u saw my write up or even red it,
u have been so busy with the born again.

Kay17
i did ask u if ur poem and u does follow in like manner to what is describe about God.
Waiting for ur feed back.
Peace

Cyrexx
this was u at ur very best
kay17
ur Q is very rational, if God knows what we need befor we even pray why then do we have to pray?
Hmmmmm!
I must confess that this Q got me rattled some times back.

Let me start with kay17 Q since it will lead to cyrexx's
the assumptions that is made about prayer is that it is only almighty God that human can pray to but that is not true, case = moses in egypt and the egyptian magician both prayed and both got answers with the snake.
So, there are two masters, almight God and satan the devil, the both can be access by human in prayer and they are happy when human pray to either of them.
The issue of freewill comes in since God will not force human to pray to him, but he is happy when u consider the options and choose him(trust him) instead of satan, when u pray to him u have taken a stand on Gods side. So, u have to take side, no neutral ground.
Cyrexx,
note what Jesus said as a conditin for God answering of prayer : "whatever u ask the father according to his will he will answer"
the condition for answering of prayer is that it should be according to Gods will.
What then is God's will?
MTT6:9,10 shows that God's will is for Gods kingdom to come.
The bilbe consistently says that satan is the one ruling over planet earth currently and the failures we see are his.
The problem is that people are asking that those things that God promises to give as blessing or attraction for God's kingdom that is what people are asking for in this satan system, are they saying that God shoul fixe satan's government? No, for God says he will remove satan and his system Daniel 2:44
then
In Gods kingdom the blessings are then made Rev 21:3,4.
(Infact, the bible message is a paradise lost and how God went about restoring the paradise)
Jesus himself recongnise this condition for prayer that is why on his last night befor his death in prayer he said " not my will but according to ur will" (note: Jesus is not almighty God)
so, when prayers are made out of what Gods will or plans are it CANT BE ANSWERED by God. Human dont set the standered, they can either fit in or go astray.

Cyrexx, there is no human that have or will ever perform miracle greater than what Jesus did,
the greater thing he said that his followers will do greater than him is, as a preacher that preach in Judea and it environ he later sent his followers to preach to the most distant part of the earth MTT 24:14 and for good reason.
So, the discilple's work will then be greater.
What should they preach? "the kingdom of God is at hand" (which is according to God's will)
and Jesus promise to be with them as they do this work, MTT 28:18to20.
The instructions u were quoting in Mattews are giving to those adjusted to this will of God,
that they should not be anxiouse about what to wear, eat, etc that there heavenly father knows they need this things,
food, clothing, sheltar, though they are still in satans world,
It is those that are adjusted according to Gods will that those words apply and there prayers will not go out of what has beel outline since they are seeking Gods kingdom first. Mtt6:33

all those saying that the greater things are miracle = error, 2thessalonian 2:9to12

kay17, on the bible's authority.
When taking oath people swear to greater entities as a guaranty that they are saying the truth,
in the case of God since he says he is almighty he can not swear to smaller entities that he has once taken a challange to and destroy to show that there is no other greater than he is,
as such he usually swear by himself or to hlmself.
since he said that the bible is his word
who does he need to attest to lt to varify what he says?
However, Jesus christ is called the faithfull witness.
Do u want to stand on his way to default him on what he says in the bible? I dont wish u take such chances.

Concerning ur poem can the same things be said about u and ur poem?

Cyrexx/kay17 this particular apprroach is an example of how criticism shoul be made with qoute and quetions.

The blame is for those carrying the bible for what it out not to be use for, that is what give rise for criticising it out of context.
*If the cited scriptures are not red the sense will be lost.
*I may not have address all issues, remind me were i did not.
Peace

Key17
the bible is not an authority

Kay17 is. Ok, we will see how long this ur authority last. max 80, minus ur current age, far less than 80. Why then should i take ur statment to the bank?
Mortal that cant even add 1 cubic to his live span, or can u?
I did say one should not follow man, but u looked for my selfishness, how? I had none (i need no follower, never)

the bible is over 3500yr old and still the best seller. Though the best seller of all tym.

The bible is an old modern book.
The bible is far ahead of its tym.

Will the Gods bend to suite human? Or mortals should bend?

For a book that is not a scince text book, that was writted when there was no kwoledge of modern science to strike perfect note on science though focussing on God, perfectly describe natural laws, shape of earth, suspension of earth, descriptions of other galaxies, describe human nature perfectly, an uncanny prophetic details and fulfilment. But people just cant get it makes me wander.
Maybe they just want to denied the facts.
It seems more convenient,

there are sure misuderstind on d scriptures that most people have against God of which they need back ground information as to what really happen,

@key17
Should i really answer this?
Well the bible says so,
2timothy 3:16, 17.

So, where does my selfish desire comes in?
Or is it the anger in u hearing me express my views?
I thought there was what is call freedom of speech?
Have i not read severally where U freely aired ur views?
Ur freedom starts and stops where mine begins.
Why is my own view then a function of my own selfish interest?
I thought it was only religiouse bigot that insist all to be like them and get pis off when it does not suit them.
Anyway, what has been said has been said, if u dont like it complain to Jesoul.
It is call religiouse forum.
Peace.

@cyrexx
Men, the bible at Romans1:20 has this to say,
Depending on the translation u use
" THE INVISIBLE QUALITY OF GOD IS CLEARLY SEEN FROM THE CREATION ONWARD BECAUSE THEY ARE PERCEIVED BY THE THINGS MADE THAT THEY ARE IN EXCUSABLE EVEN GOD ETERNAL POWER AND GODSHIP.

This is what the bible say on the prove of God.
U should really take note of this, 2corinth11:14.
The use of Ur brain so far so good has kept u in good footing, so keep using it and dont look for supernatural sign.
search of the bible is the key since Jesus said keep on seeking, keep on asking. For what? Food? NO.
Since on matt6:33 he said the first thing we should seek for (priority 1) should be God's kingdom.
So, keep seeking the truth (John 17:17) from The bible being the word of God.
The following of men as spiritual leader leeds to exploitation and lot more. Though u can shear bible knowledge with persons.
Peace.

@cyrexx
ma man,
actually am writing in connection to this doc give deases and latter give cure analogy of urs.
Man, as good as it sounds to u it does not describe Almighty God. I will explain.

The bible ask Galatians 3:19, "then why the law?" And later answers, "it was given to make sin manifest, for how would i have come to know covetiousness if not the law?" (read all of chapt 3 later)

now, man fall as in Adam and becomes inperfect, but never knew his condition, that is where d law comes in to let man know he is imperfect.
That quote said, how would i have come to know covetiouseness?
What does this mean?

Unlike other sin that one carries out, (practically) it is not so with covetiousness since it takes place inside the mind and God does see it.
d bible was showing what imperfaction has couse, that right from our mind set, thinking we are not pure since our thinking goes bad and that creates a barrier between man and God that is holy, holy, holy (highest degree of purity)
to help remove this barrier it was necessary for man to know his state as having impurities and that will convince him to look for a way out or possibly accept the cure solution offered.

otherwise, man like ul will be unwilling to accept that he is sick.

Again, this convetiousness is evident even among one year old children, attacking there peers to collect their toys, it is inherent, plus the obviouse sins the bible also shows to be wrong.

This is actually beyound human scope of application as no human government has ever implimented the tenth of the ten (10) commandment in the bible,
thou shall not covet.
it is not posible to impliment this since human cant verify when this law has been broken.

Again, it will have been silly for God to put a law he could not verify as shown by human.
So? This means that almighty God exermines the heart of all human (like hard drive of a computer)
secondly, it add to the prove of the existance of a God to me.

So, he never brougth the sickness, rather, the diagnoses and the possible cure that is open to all mankind free of charge. (according to JW). For those that want, and not by force.
Peace

The way they talk about this heaven its like they are the ones that will reward their self with heaven.
They dont even get the sens of bible teachings.

Matt 5:3 and mtt 5:5
clearly Jesus made no mistake since the whole bible consistently follow this line. Heaven and earth
Psalms 37:29

infact. Taking men to heaven is the new thing in Gods purpose,
those going to heaven are not going because of personal over righteouseness, but rather, it is a gift from God for rulership (carbinate members) ruling over righteouse people on a cleanse earth. Rev20:4 (there has naver been death in heaven, so, the reference is on cleaning the earth).
The bible is all about a paradise lost at the begining on earth and the process God went through to restore it. And what one need to do to be there.

Time past God has besically give satan enough time to prove his allegation toward God for all to see, this will prevent God being accuse of abusing his power, and this agrees with his superlative justice.
So, with the failue of satan so far, when God thus take action, he will be justified.
And for all eternity this precedence will serve as a warning.
Peace

@ martian.
Martian, martian, martian.
I dont usually love filty talks.
I dont know u, ur occupation or the environment u come from, ur family background, ur home front, the neighborhood u are currently leaving. However, i know that all this factors can influence the way one talks and reasons. Even once crowd.
However, i wish to drop some lines.
Firstly, there are 4 kinds of love, (the word love has 4 conotations).
1. Agape. Love base on Principle
of good toward others.
2. Philia. Love that exist among family members.
3. Erros. Love due to sexual attraction. Sexual love.
4. ?? This love appeals to jealousy and greed.
That having been said.

Love and hate comes from the heart. Loving ur neighbor as ur self has to do with what u are thinking about ur neighbor. after thinking comes actions.
He was saying that for u to be clean in and out befor God what u think about ur neighbor should be as good as what u think about ur self.
If u will not think of spoiling ur property neither should ur think of such for others.
What u will want others to do to u do ye also to others. Golden rule.
Martian, u have limited knowledge. maybe that is why u open ur mouth so wide. But if he was to address this issue now he will have seen throw ur limited knowledge and ask for 4giveness for u.
Concerning the other issue of loving father and mother, he was only saying that the act of following him will not always be met with approval by close relatives, that if u leave following him for them, then u are not worthy of him. That is, expect persecution from relations for his sake. Who else will complain most about ur actions.
I believe u have made an ignorant mistake due to pride.
This should rather let u to hence really watch ur self. (Mind)

@ martian
u are absolutely right,
u know d bible was not written in english.
With that in mind different translators have use sphare, circle to describe the shape of the earth as being round, as contain in d original manuscript.
U will agree with me that the description i use is dependent on the translation i made use of.

Do u find the earth to be flat
That will be anupdate to existing facts.

Are we living in a flying saucer?
As a martian man i know u will have a lot to teach me.
Lets just call black, black.

This is so funny,
i had really thought there was a rationallity for all d hard heartedness, i never knew it down out of convenience.

Well, its a convinience i had thought is justifiable, though i had proud my self of following reasons all along.
so, when the chips were down and i could not dinied yhe existance anymore i had to follow the rational couse.
Besides, this convenient way of life i thought i had, i ask my self how long will it last? (life) very short i said, its like sex, very soon reality sets in, its over max 90yrs.
It can also spare one old age had i known,
i had to start doing stuff i belive had very less advers effect on me and others,
thats what God really wish we do, beside learning his dos and dont. In the bible. Thats all. Exciting things to learn i tell yu.
Peace