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Hahaha, hahaha, hahaha.
Lol.
Oboy oboy!
Men omen!
Wao!
Its a free world.
Every man is entitle to there opinion.
Hmmm!

Logicbwoy: Madness

Thanks for the compliment.
Peace.

Ihedinobi: Bro, take it easy na. Are we brethren or what? Does his believing that he was chosen to be saved take away from his salvation or from yours or anybody's? Our place is to exhort one another and correct one another in love and only in the place where we ourselves have been corrected. There's no fighting here.

Thank u though.
Its just that very serious things people think it is a game.
People seems to 4get that Jesus said he will denied people.
Thanks.
Peace

FXKing2012: I'm sure I wasnt referring to u.

O!
Sorry then.
Its a public forum, to avoid this lets pls identify who we are replying.
Thanks.

ghostofsparta: What makes you think I had no ide[b]a[/b] of the term 'mi[b]ss[/b]ing link' ?. You think I couldn't have asked google if I really don't know as you believe?

Let me tell you...the term 'missing link' has been used like a missing jigsa[b]w[/b] to f[b]i[/b]ll certain yet-unexplainable but under-research ga[b]p[/b] in various subj[b]e[/b]cts.

Now davidylan,
Let's me say if I'm to agree with your dogged anti-evolution stances, or your ”mystery theory” as theHomer puts it. Can you kindly please show us proof that Yaweh your creator made the first man out of dust? Thank you.

Very simple.
It is a known fact that the material that makes up the human body is directly traceable to organic materials that can be found on the ground, earth, soil.
Just as simple as that.

@every person has to make a choice u know?
If i should make a choice that leads to my being infected with hiv, u will not feel the real pain i will be feeling.
So, we shall all carry our individual load owing to our choices.
Better still, missing out on the potential reward for making wise choices now.
This wise choices now is a demonstration of willingness or a dislike for the offer in place...
Peace.

FXKing2012: Pls stop the stupidity.

I never knew the bible is stupid?
Thanks for informing me.
Peace

Logicbwoy: Funny how you and Davidylan actually use the missing link argument out of ignorance.


Why do you use "assumptions"? Do you think evolution is just an assumption?

YES.
It is assume to be scientific cus those postulating it are in the field of science, though not all of them.

The real science, u and i can see its demonstration all around us, but this(evolution) is not.

What a Science?
that can not be demonstrated, rather, it begs for faith, very large faith at that.
I kind da like u guys, u do have capacity u know?
Ur faith is admirable.
Some of us lost such faith long long time ago.
Hmmm!

cyrexx: do you want to hear the real truth.

most of those pastors have actually become atheists, (at least i personally know of one) who cannot leave the pulpit for any other job as nobody will employ Master of Divinty degree for anything
they just continue to make the best advantage of the gullibilty of christians who believe anything you can skillful "prove" with scriptures, like what you are doing here. the religious minds, especially the rich ones, is like one big fat cow anybody is free to chop their own and let others chop their own, especially if you are very good at giving special meanings and revelations to the bible.

shikena.

Hahaha.
Sometimes the truth is bitter.
People are just dame too lazy to research for themself.
Just as they did in school, copy and pest so in religion they continue, ask them to read the bible they fall asleep, but on other things that are their interest they will not fall asleep.

Most of them if not all never have love for God, they are in church either they are sick or they want a mate, a contract or a job. Miracle or something.

Selfish human i say.
If i can see through this pretense how much more God.

5solas: Great topic.

I lean towards Calvinism. In short, I consider myself a Calvinist. I agree with the Calvinists and consider their believes on salvation and all related concepts (grace, predestination, freewill, atonement, foreknowledge, e.t.c) to be consistent with the scriptures.

Just because u say so then we should take it to the bank, swallow every, every.
That is how they get people deceived.

musKeeto: You know I will never die? Lmao... what makes me human... Christians are the ones who believe they will never die...
Eternal life indeed...

I know with what is being taught in the churches today the essential essence of christianity is being covered in mud.
I use to personally get so confuse,
But i decided to consider the bible myself and not on hear say.
Infact, if u can just consider those few bible portion the sense u will get is different from all this fancy u see all over.
Seeing it does not change who u are, but like a judge it allows u to see things from all angles.
Peace.

Wasbayd: Grace! Grace!! God's Grace!!! Grace that will pardon and cleanse within.... Grace that is greater than all our sin.
As for me I live because of the mercy I receive and his grace upon my life, not because I know how to keep myself from commiting sins. Grace is the umbrella that covers me. Lord I thank you for making me one of those in Romans 9:15.

Using grace the way u are doing = error.

That is why the apostle paul ask.
Does the fact that we are living in "Grace" mean that we should continue in sin so that grace may abound?

God forbid he answered.
And added: Never may the undeserve kindness of God be taken as an excuse for loose conduct.

guy watch ur self, sit up.
It is very possible not to engage in fornication.
Develope the right reason that will help u see the danger inherent in it, that will help u understand the reason for the law and know that Gods laws dont have side effects and cannot disappoint you.

I hear people saying that what can give you bacterial infection and Hiv com AIDS is enjoyment.
Then get married.
Baby talk.
Peace

Logicbwoy: Where is the evidence for what? Both macro and micro evolution rely on the same prinicples just that one is on a larger scale. Surely, a biologist should understand this.

Furthermore, where do you get an assumption of "higher being"? Is higher being a scientific term or just creationist babble?


[size=14pt]So, as a biologist, how do you explain the stages of change in man or other animals shown in the transitional fossils without macro evolution? The move from homo habilis to homo erectus to homo sapien?
[/size]

Where is the link?
The last time i check on those assumptions there were forgery here and there that dont even fit. That really begs for explanations.

Actually, that is what desperation causes.

[quote author=O.D.B.]But lets put things into perspective;

A young handsome intelligent aspiring Neuro-scientist from a middle-class stable upbringing drops out of doctorate program to suddenly acquire guns and tactical weapons which are not easily affordable to the average american accentuated by the financial situations. This young man with no radical views or demeanor is also able to rig his apartment with IEDs goes to the cinema in his Hyundai.

How was homeland security, CIA or the FBI not able to see flags with the tight gun rules and paperwork in place?

Is Holmes being setup?

and why?[/quote]No,no, no.
he is only playing out the script of what illuminatis has taught him on cinema and music.

davidylan: you really shld keep quiet. your nauseatingly empty headed on this issue.

Where is your empirical evidence for the big b[i]a[/i]ng?

QUESTION!
ANSWER = NONE
I hoped my answer was useful kay17?

pimps: Shut d hell up.u think like a baby pls face that christianity tin u ar doing becus u nope noofin abt islam n u will never nope wt such mindset

"By there fruit u shall know them".
Good u believe in the Jesus that said that.
Peace.

MacDaddy01: Shut up. I asked you first. I am not a scientist.

Hahaha.
Guy, why do u want to be a stumbling block for davidylan?
Do u want him to give u in kind then u will say he has broken his vows.
Lol.
Keep the "shut up" aside so that u can help ur guy ride.

ezicat: Again, not addressing any of my reasonings directly, but you can't can you? because our positions are mutually exclusive; Christians believe because they are told to and their minds take care of the rest; Atheists challenge, question and reason.

Anyway,

You're funny.

Christianity eradicates death? That's news to me. We all die - Christian or not. Last time I checked, if the world is as Christianity says it is - heaven eradicates earth and all we do here is futile as there is already a place prepared for all of us with everything we could ever want (well, those of us that deserve to go up there).

Christianity tells us we live after death - not that we never die. Our consciousness lives on, allegedly, although most of us will be burning in hell Hey, let's not pretend otherwise. Even the Bible says that many are called, few are chosen. So, that's that, whether we like it or not.

And since we've already established that the fast majority of Christians, if not all (based on experience), lack the divine, I guess I'll see you all in HELL. There we'll have forever to chat about this. Lol. Peace out! I'm done with this thread.

Oh, PS, the only way I'll be a dissapointment to humanity (before I die, because everyone's time is finite, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!) is to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about humanities condition. So what are you doing, Christian, to help humanities' condition? I'm pulling the resources together to build a rain harvester in the village square (so that access to clean water isn't such a huge headache), then I'll work on how best to increase wealth and security in the village by assisting with transportation of our local goods to the major markets in Aba while Christians build large houses and donate to the church (because churches need to be built large and expensive before God shows up, I guess?). At least that's the plan, I'll need someone on the ground to execute it since I live abroad.

And you know what's most ironic? My predominantly Catholic village will probably view my actions initially with suspicion because such selfless acts are few and far between. Wow!

What are you doing?

I feel u are not a bad guy anyway,
I thing u have been scared by the exploitation prevalent in this business centers call churches all over.

The problem is that the churches have 4gotten the primary essence that made Jesus to come to the earth in the first place, being:
"Thy kingdom come, as it is in heaven also upon earth". The lords prayer matt 6:9,10.
Angel dont die, so, when earth is like heaven, what do u think?

That is what the bible is all
about.
That a paradise was lost in Genesis and a paradis restored in revelation. Revelation 21:1 to 4.
Yes, dead will be no more here on earth as the condition were suppose to be in the first place in eden.
Have there been dead in heaven befor? No.
The reference is to the earth as in the lords prayer, "thy kingdom come".

Also. Consider.
Matt 5:3 and 5
Psalm 37:9,10,11 and 29.
From this it is and more it is clear what the bible msg is.

Definitely not prosperity but restoration of eternal life to man, which is what Adam lost and what God said he will loose if he disobeyed in eden.

I have seen how short this life is and that is one thing that eludes human but that is where God and the bible comes in and that was Jesus interest.

Again, torment in eternity in fair is not a bible base teaching.
Moslem that teacher eternal torment also do the carry the bible? No.

I have learned this much by discussing with Jehovah's witnesses.
Peace.

[quote author=tpia@]well said.

its not eaay- whoever said it is, has no idea or is deliberately being misleading.

but for the grace of God.[/quote]Wow!
U are a randy guy.
Lol.
Anyway. Any one that works for u, good, its a dangerous endeavour.
God cant help u if u are not convince that it is bad.
Will he force u?

Kay 17: I think we can come to an agreement that Faith is blind.

Hahaha.
Lol.
Faith with rational evidence is not blind.
I have a lot to prove my stand but u have nothing, just postulation.
Peace

The Nigerian god is the god of "GREED"

At both ends, giver and reciever.
Christians, moslem and atheist.

If any atheist wants to contest for a public office he simply picks from the two obvious options, and there he goes.
They can go to church or mosque if the incentives are good. And he starts worshiping the Nigerian god. ^^^
Lol.

thehomer: You do realize that directly observing something doesn't mean you weren't wrong neither does the fact that humans weren't around to see something mean that the event didn't occur.

U are simply justifying faith in both ways.
So, faith cant be a bad thing as long there are rational evidence to it.
To me there are lots or hidden knowledge in the bible that i just cant ignor them.
There are more evidence for God's knowledge in the bible than there are for big slam.

Job 22:7
"The earth is hanging on nothing"
How did or can a man living 3500yrs ago be able to know that?
I really need more faith than i am having now to belief it big slam.
Peace

Romans8:29:30. A diff translation.

Vas 23.
"Because those he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his son, that he might be the first born among many brothers

Vas30
Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called, and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteouse.
Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified".

I dont think that the repeat use of the word destined is allowing for a clearer understanding of that Romans.
In the Op.

To me, people being destined for salvation makes rubbish of the order by christ to go and preach to people of all nations.
And make rubbish of Justice and freewill.

What sense is there in preaching to people that where not chosen to be save?

That scripture is refering to those that are mention in Revelation 20:5,6 as having part in the first resurrection, over this the second dead has no authority.
Why? Because they are with christ in heaven.

They are the ones that God first recognise, and they shear with christ what God had already foreordained for him.

Those people are diff from the ones mention in Revelation 20:11 to 13. If u like call it the 2nd resurrection.

So, those of Romans 8:29,30 are same at Revel 20:5,6.

All human have a chance of being save, it is an individual choice.

But those that fall into Romans 8:29,30 are ones that will have the privilege that God has foreordained for his son, that they be fashion like the son(Jesus)

Some word choice in some translating is to give credence to this tag as "saint".

If they were destined how come that the bible says that let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall?
If they have been destined how can they fall?

However, God approval of an individual has to do with the persons heart conditions. Isaiah 5:20 or u can say pure in heart.

So, we can also look at the foreordained in terms as a fixed Number to be fashion like the son.
Eg. A company needs to employ 20 people. Then, it can be said:
"this are the 20 people you wanted"
(it is not a reference to the individual but to the predetermined nos 20)
Revelation 14:3
Peace

Oops!

Delafruita: therez this thing christians do before cracking open the bible,they ask the holy spirit to teach and instruct.you should try it

Yea, it sure good to pray and always. At least it reminds u that this stuff is seriouse and error is damaging.
Buzugee's cursing is tiring really.

@buzugee
Guy reduce the F word. Seriousely it is minusing from ur efforts.
Peace

@op
Two things, while early marriage is not the best thing to do, just be very careful, so that u dont destroy yourself with premarital SEX

As u grow up u will gain more knowledge, and u will be better place to advice yourself.

What u owe yourself is an HONEST MIND. Never loose it.
Peace

ijawkid: Lol...

Na person na....

Person no suppose get name??..
Lol....

But my bro try look the thing well....

I don't have a problem with how people pronounce or spell that name...

YAHAWAH,YAHWEH,JEHOVAH.....all are extracted from the tetragrammaton....

TETRAGRAMMATON OR YHWH.
The jews had no vowels as it were then.
So, with the addition of vowels we have this other names.

However, the names means:
" WILL BECOME WHATSOEVER I PLEASE"
Thats what he told moses.

If he has no name why did Jesus that knew him too well said we should pray " hallow be thy name"?

ijawkid: How would u know if I haven't traveled outside 9ja??

All I'm saying d western world isn't a yard stick for measuring standards...ok??

Yahweh has given us standards that brings about sanity....

@ ur work place,that's if u work,imagine if everybody is an oga...
how would that kind of system look like??

U respect headship and authority even @ ur work place for sanity to reign....

That's what happens @ our homes and even in heaven......

Why can't u just understand this lil truth....

Instead ur asking me if I'v traveled or not....

Is the country u live in a paradise or what!!!!!!

I think i get ur point.

buzugee: well your choices are yours but your goings are the lords. proverbs 20 vs 24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?

with regards to the elect. there are two partitions under the sun ( earth ). the two partitions are ISRAELITES and GENTILES. the first part of the partition has had their turn to prove themselves and the ones who followed the laws to the best of their abilities and studied to show themselves approved were chosen as the elect while the rest of the israelites were thrown into spiritual darkness. they will remain in this darkness till christ returns ( romans 11 vs 25 ). however the elect will be spiritually alive till christ returns and when they get reincarnated with each life they get to be spiritually alive. like if a baby is born and the soul in him is the soul of the elect, the lord will guide his steps to the point where he will recieve remembrance of who he is as an elect member of the lords kingdom.

the gentile part of the partition is now in their salvation ( romans 11 vs 11 ). this is their chance to show themselves worthy to the lord. this is their era. as such the gentiles dont have an elect yet amongst them because they only got written into the law with the new testament. so this is their era to prove that they are worthy of election.

so with regards to your question, are the elects predetermined ? the elect of israel has been predetermined but not the elect for the gentiles. the elect of the gentiles will be determined when christ returns.

This guy is Xter. Very funny.

He quotes scriptures alot, sometimes makes sense some times he gets it completely wrong.
The scriptures just quoted may apply but not on this thread, and this topic.

Guy, take it easy.
Lol.
It a public forum anyway. Anything goes.

jmoore: Does it really takes the grace of God for one not to indulge in premarital sex(fornication)/adultery?

Whenever I raise this topic of "no sex before marriage" you hear some folks especially those who are into premarital sex or have done it in the past saying "it takes the grace of God not to fall into it". I think they are trying to console themselves and indirectly blaming God.

The grace of God is meant for forgiveness of sins.

If it takes the grace of God for us not to commit fornication/adultery, then that should apply to other sins like murder,lying, stealing etc

Some folks make silly decisions and try to blame God for it by using "It takes the grace of God for one to abstain"

Hmmm!

Romans8:29:30. A diff translation.

Vas 23.
"Because those he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his son, that he might be the first born among many brothers

Vas30
Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called, and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteouse.
Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified".

I dont think that the repeat use of the word destined is allowing for a clearer understanding of that Romans.
In the Op.

To me, people being destined for salvation makes rubbish of the order by christ to go and preach to people of all nations.
And make rubbish of Justice and freewill.

What sense is there in preaching to people that where not chosen to be save?

That scripture is refering to those that are mention in Revelation 20:5,6 as having part in the first resurrecting, over this the second dead has no authority.
Why? Because they are with christ in heaven.

Those people are diff from the ones mention in Revelation 20:11 to 13. If u like call it the 2nd resurrection.

So, those of Romans 8:29,30 are same at Revel 20:5,6.

All human have a chance of being save, it is an individual choice.

But those that fall into Romans 8:29,30 are ones that will have the privilege that God has foreordained for his son, that they be fashion like the son(Jesus)

Some word choice in some translating is to give credence to this tag as saint.

If they were destined how come that the bible says that let him that thinks he is standing be ware that he does not fall?
If they have been destined how can they fall?

However, God approval of an individual has to do with the persons heart conditions. Isaiah 5:20 or u can say pure in heart.

So, we can also look at the foreordained in terms as a fixed Number to be fashion like the son.
Eg. A company needs to employ 20 people. Then, it can be said:
"this are the 20 people you wanted"
(it is not a reference to the individual but to the predetermined nos 20)
Revelation 14:3
Peace

@kay17
Still the same "man cant fly" attitude.