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proo212: @Fresky, check out this translation from Martin Luther in 1545

Johannes 1
Luther Bibel 1545 (LUTH1545)
1 Im Anfang war das Wort, und das Wort war bei Gott, und Gott war das Wort.
In the beginning the Word was and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.

I'm thinking here there was a deliberate attempt to negate the essence of Christ! So Mr Fresky, who is going to judge the world? Jehovah or Jesus? Is the Holy Spirit also God or just the "force of God" because I sense you're a JW?

If you answer the questions then we can continue.

I seem to like ur politeness though.

Ok,
the holy spirit is God active force. QED.
While u and me have hands to carry out our intent, it is not the same with God, it is that force that he uses in whatever way he wishes to attain his desire or carry out his intentions,
this explains why the holy spirit is mentions in many ways, but not as a person.

The triniterian are saying that the holy spirit is a person basing there case on Genesis where God says let us make man in our image.
That "it was the holy spirit that God was talking to, since the bible had earlier said that the spirit was going to and fro over the waters".

This assumption is wrong and is due to lack of knowledge of what other part of the bibles says.

Eph4:10 and coloss 1:15

Eph says that after Jesus resurection he ascended far above all the heavens, meaning that the heaven mention at genesis is not a reference to the throne of God or a reference to where God and Jesus stays.

And colossian shows that Jesus is the first born of all creation, meaning that Jesus was in existance well befor the start of creation of other things. As the first entity that was created by God.

So, when God said lets creat man in our image he was talking to his master worker, through whom all things are.

I went this far so that it clears it for any triniterian that wants to take this part.

There is no where in the bible that the holy spirit is identified as a person the way it is done for Jehovah God and his son Jesus, this two are persons, two seperate persons. (note, they are not just personified but real personage)
peace

There are wrong unstanding to the issue of destiny.
Some issues have nothing to do with destiny of human but is taught that it does when it is not.

Consider when the bible made the statement
"come enjoy the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world"
most people have taken this to mean that certain people have been destin from the founding or the world= error

what has been destin from the founding of the world is the kingdom. A paradise,
That is from the begining of creation it Has been fixe destin if u like,
that there will be a kingdom for people to enter or live in.
So, the invitation is for people to make themself available for a never failing promise of a kingdom.

Now, when people teach that from the founding of the world certain people have been destin by an Omnicient God people then ride on such wrong notion to find fault with God are they right?

cyrexx: so it is true that the core message can be summarised as:

A long long time ago, an all-knowing (omniscient) un-created Spiritual Being in the sky created some other spiritual beings who He knew would piss Him off. When they did, He punished them and sent them off only to make human beings who He also knew would eventually piss him off again. When they did, He killed almost all of them.

Eventually, the all-knowing Being in the sky got fed up with the human beings doing things He knew they were going to do that would piss Him off again, so he takes his son and nails him to a cross and says" See? Now look what you made me do. You should be ashamed of yourselves"

Isn't that the essence of the core message in the Bible and the rest is just to fill up more space

This Omnicient/destiny stuff i dont accept it as such it does not complicate my thinking like it does some people, cus i think this issues are not quite understood.

Note. The bible said we are made in God's image.

The fact that i am skillful in singing does not means that in all my existance i will be singing all the time, if one should sing all the time what time will he have left to attend to other important activities?

If God will have to forsee the furture of man and sees the outcome it then means we have been destin and he has to see to it to ensure the outcome.

So, God does not have other things to do?
What time will he have to attain to other things?

Thats not to say he cannot destin things if he so desires.

What then is the reason for system control automation if not to free the designer from constantly attending to the process for desired result, so as to be able to attend to other important activities? This is more efficient.

If we can automate inanimate things, human with freewill are far superior since they can make rational decission owing to human having a mind to make rational decission.
This makes it far more possible for human to continue on their own.
Of what use then will the freewill be if God will have to confine himself to constantly ensuring compliance owing to him having forseen the future for rational being and not left them to live life as freemoral agents?

As it was obviouse in Eden, he allowed them to epress their freewill. And choices

Satan also has freewill. He is also in God's image.

There is something worth noting owing to what happend in eden.
Consider this scenario:

assuming a maths lecturer was lecturing in a class when one of his pupil rudely interupted and said that the teacher was wrong in his solving of the maths and some other student in the class sided with the rebelious student while others remain as just observers.
What do you think is the best aproach for the lecturer to handle the situation?
Kick out the rebelious students from the class?
Or give the student the chalk and blackboard to prove his point?
If he should kick them out, the question remain unanswered. The issues has nothing to do with "might" (power)

What if he allowes the rebels the oportunity to solve the maths for the whole class to see? Giving him the chalk and board?
Also, while the student is at it solving the maths,
1. will it be right for the lecturer to interupt the student, No
2. Will it be wise for the lecturer to give the student a helping hand? No

his solving will put the matter to rest and will allow all to know who was on the right, and build the confident of observing student, while at the same time justifies the subsequent action that the lecturer will take.

Yes, satan is the rebel student and ever since he has been solving the maths as the Ruler and so far we can see how well he is doing.
The complain we are having be at the receiving end clearly shows he has fail the show working and the answer, and will be kick out of the class.

This analogy is to paint a picture of what the bible teach and the scenario we are in.

A clear understanding of this issue from the bible is necessary for one to make an inform decission and understand whats happening.
Peace

true2god: Duke4ever should learn manner. not to called some anumanu (animal) no matter wat happen. I tink i need to address u properly both here on dis forum and outside this forum. Its key to proper human relation.

@Duke4ever
Do u really have to call someone animal to make ur point stand?

I think that was very unnecessary.
We dont have to use foul language on a public forum like this.

ezicat: Ok.

Follow the creator, not the created? How? Does the creator speak to you directly? He does? That could be schizophrenia. You might want to get checked out.

Lol. But, more seriously - I haven't experienced the creator coming down from heaven to speak to me, and I don't know how many (sane) people who have. Which would lead me to believe that the only thing we pretty much have to go by is the created, and as most have said, they don't make the grade.

And as for following the Bible...again, the Bible did not fall from heaven. It was written by, guess what? THE CREATED. And as we've already established, the created are seriously f*cked. You know what that means, right?

Oh, and I have a few criticisms for your Jesus - why didn't he speak out on sexism and slavery (more appropriately, bondage)? (he did prevent people from stoning an adulteress, so kudos for that. Question though - where was the adulterer? Oh was she having s*x with herself). And the only acknowledged disciples were the male ones? Tsk tsk tsk! What about believing that a kid who clearly had epilepsy (based on a description of the symptoms) was possessed by demons? Tsk tsk tsk again; you'd think the Son of God would know that. And the whole worship me thing - ahhhhhh - kind of points to an ego, doesn't it? (Although some theologists have argued that he didn't portray himself and such; he was labeled as divine after the fact). And don't get me started about the whole hocus pocus concerning his birth - seriously what did Mary's chromosomes pair with?

No, I personally don't think he was perfect; his teachings on morality were awesome though - except they really haven't worked on most people, Christians or not...so...it's a moot point. Most people have a conscience. You don't need the God factor to be a good person. In fact, it sometimes detracts from that.

End of ramble.

Wait, wait, wait. PS: I know what you're thinking. That my mind has been totally messed up by science. Well, I'm okay with that - it frees me to analyze everything. And that is awesome. You should try it.

yea, i see. U are so right.
Jesus should simply have left this God thing and educated the primitive generation about bacteria, viruses, mental health, gynacology, spercial relativity(physic), chem, bio, startistics, automobile, rocket science, higgs bosons, lablace trasform, fourier series, transidential equation, etc,etc,etc, and what have u, smart guy.
Ah! The world world have been a better place today.

Today, human would not have been growing old again, we would not have been falling sick again. Yes! We would not have been DYING again. Great.

The idear thet all sicknesses is as a result of sin, that satan and the demon are the originator is baseless.

Less i 4get, his audience were highly science oriented, he should have explain in terms of bacterial and virus and they would have all been able to relate with it and our ancient perant would have made sens of his teaching in the bible.

He was wrong for seeing the aspect of the demons. The demons are dumb u know? They dont know anything about viruses and genetics and how to possibly use it against humans.
4give him then, since he did not know what he was saying.
How great u are

Meanwhile, cant and have not seen where Jesus said in the bible that he is almighty God.

@cerexx
Bro, where have u been?
U have been missing in action u know?

true2god: @ duke4ever i stand evry right right to air my opinion without any1 and i tink it will be reasonable of u to be sensible and have a better manner of approach in all matters. I say and i repeat that jw is a cult. Can u personnally challenge any jw officially errorneous teaching without being disfellowship or called an apostate? Did christ return invisibly in 1914? Has jw changed their teaching so often in recent yr callin dem new light? If u r a baptised jw wat are the two principal questions u were asked before being baptised? Is jesus arch angel michael? Did ur watchtower magazine of 1984 edition taught that not all that witnes world war one will die till christ will return? Have u heard of berth-serim and the comin back of bible prophets in 1935 as taught only by jw? Did jw teach that christ is not the only mediator bw God and man but watchtower bible and track society is the mediator bw God and man? Do u believe in being born again (john 3:3)? Do u pray in Jesus name? Can u pray while doin ur preachin work? Is jw new world translation not different frm all other bible translations (read NIV JOHN 1:1 and compare wat u hav on ur NWT)? Are u not brainwashed dat christendom is evil and dat only jw will escape armagedon? Can u teach with the bible alone without using either a watchtower magazine or reasoning of the scripture booklet? Try that next u go for a preachin work and u will personally xpose jw false teachings. I hav many questions that i culd hav asked u but if u can respond to dis i will take my time wit u and thrash out, for you, the history of jw, their metamorphosis, and mind and information controling tricks dat wil hold, even an intelligent mind, hostage of indepedent reasoining. And its unforuntate that over the year u hav been help spell down by this organization. I hav a good news for u cos light is comin ur way if u r ready to let us reason together.

hmmmmm!
Some one is very angry.
U will have been able to reach acrose some of the people that dont shear some of ur sentiment if u did not get so angry. Most if not all do know JW and not just u.
So, Try again.

However, some of ur assertions are very strange, why not do a second comfirmation on some of ur accusation from them to be certainly sure befor coming back to make ur case,
As it not being what the bible teach?

Meanwhile, the spirit from above the bible says is first of all "peaceable", so what spirit is in u? From above?

Note that we can easily call any of JW and varify ur accusations and deduce for ourselfs on what or how they say is there stand, or if what u term as a crime is what is recorded in the bible.

U seem so workedup on what u think they are wrong, what about there stand that is right?

They dont claim that God talk to them but what they say that the bible teach.

They are so open to dialoque that there is no need for u to be so angry and workedup.

There interest as their name implies is to bear witness to Jehovah.
Do u have a biff (fight) with that?

Cite ur claim that will be supported in the bible Genesis to Rev and no contradiction and they are not in support and lets go and ask them so we can give u a feed back later.

can u also notice that Duke4ver was only saying that ur point or argument should stick to the thread and not that he was attacking ur statement?
But u got him all wrong and angry and here we are. Hmmmm!

So, let the spirit from above(peaceable) always guid you.
Peace

ijawkid: @myjoe

Are u irreligious??

its like u also saw what i saw(a fight)
1. he is not religious (pentecostal/catholic)
2. He is not atheist
3. He is not interested in clearification.
Then what does he need? = a fight

sorry mate.
From the above i dont know what u want.
Peace though.

@myjoe
sorry mate.
If there are issues that u need clearification/express from the JW kindly meet one of the witnesses.
Am sure geographical location will not be a barier since they are available in almost all geographical area, going from house to house, note. their work is free, no tithing.

Better still, write to there branch offices.
Thanks.
Peace

vedaxcool: Lol the pains of denial seems to be taking its toll on "logic"boy, he is so pained that he rushed here crying on the christians (the same christians he once accused of threatening him with hell), so pained of being ignored that he is crying now on shoulders he despises. I fear if people on NL decides to ignore you, suicide might be in the offing! This serves as a lesson to your queer logic, if you ever thought anybody is duty bound to respond to your follies and foolery, then truly u thought wrong and the answer I gave with regards to seeking answers to believe still remains the same [b] be honest to yourself for Allah said: deaf, dumb and blind, there will never return to the path verily they are false to themselves![ Your falseness has made the queer logic u live by ok [/b]o you. No wonder atheists always become jittery whenever people are advised to ignore them! Well got to go!

Going extreme to me is not advisable.
Be it atheist christianity, muslim etc, etc.
However, are u saying that all 100% what the atheist ever says is nonsense?
The op is all nonsens that is why it should not be address?
Guy, in every nonsense i thing there is a sense in it.
Like u will soon see, lots of other nairalanders will see either the nonsens or the sens in this thread and make there post and not to ignor both the sens and the nonsens all together and let the sens to be lost. Like u suggested.

I think it is in the muslim character not to look into issues critically, but rather resort to what u do best.
By doing so we conclude with the saying.
"by their fruit you shall know them"
So, what really is ur fruit?
Peace.

@deepsight
Guy, did ask some partinent Quetions.
I never thought u went this far.
Always Good to think and ask question,
there are quetions here that can benefit both frosbel and olaadegbu. Now i understand why deepsight was laughing at frosbel thread on trinity yesterday(11/07/2012)
Hmmmm. Interesting questions fill thread Though not exhaustive.

^^^
bro,
i hope u will agree with me that it is a free world for free moral agent with free will to make there choice when it comes to worship.

The JW as i know them dont force anybody to any religiouse afiliation, so, pls. Have ur peace.

However, which ever believe u stick to, as long it is from the bible, it should rhyme from Genesis to Revelation.

At a glance what u think is right like some of the assumptions u just made may actually be a differnt thing from what u think when u consider them on the light of many other scriptures.

Since u love the bible, that cannot be a bad thing,
i can only say, since the bible said one should continually test his inspiration or knowladge, i think u should seek a good avenue to shear ur views with them and they may also have one or two to shear with u basing ur reasoning on the bible, i know they are ever willing to do same.

Peace

MyJoe: @bolded
Thank you. You and me know things thehomer doesn't.

@italicised
Are you, as a Witness, also allowed to "feel" your views on, say, blood transfusion, are important and not just the church's? If you went to a public forum and make contrary pronouncements on blood transfusion, would your church take it the way the Catholic Church will take Mrs Gate's actions?
Thank you.

I think i seem to get what u are driving at.
That the catholics members can disagree on issues.

Well, that is obviouse.

The JW dont have anything to do with disagreeing on issues, since human opinion is inconsiquential on the matter of their beliefs. As long as the bible has a say on the issue under consideration it is final.
But when the bible does not have a say it is left to the individuals conscience.
NO INDIVIDUA IS THERE MOUNTH PIECE,
NO INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS IS ACCEPTED,
THE BIBLE HAS tHE FINAL SAY.
There can only be an issue when the bible is not followed, but as it is obviouse, the bible is always there stand, so, no need for dissent unless the individuals says he is not in support of the bible, then, the outcome is obviouse.

(note, they dont have any person as their mouth piece on issues whose opinion will be necessary)
peace.

its like this ur post does not need comment since u already know all.

Mormon must be a greek word that the NT bible was written in. And not a translated word of choice by the translators.

MyJoe: ^^^Honesty? Please answer this honestly. Melinda Gates, a Catholic, is promoting contraception at a public forum as we speak. Can you do a similar thing as a Witness?

As for being "rational, clear and just", I think thehomer is all that because he appears to support your position. Obviously you miss the sarcasm. Poor you!

what has an individual statement like sarcasm to do with me on a public forum?

It is not what that goes into a man that defile the man but what that comes out of him.

I take people for what they say and not what i imagine or the meaning i read into their action.

Am an honest man as such i take that others are honest.
The gate is doing the abortion promotion since where she is anything goes.
If catholic had tought her to respect the bible she would have seen Gods view on abortion and respected it and not think it is man decission and put her hands into it.
She feels her views are also important on such issues and not just the pope's.
JW would all have allowed the bible to have the finall say.
Peace.

honeric01: Here's where i have issues:

1: He was a steward and not the owner of the business, so who gave him power to reduce debts?
2: he was tagged a dishonest steward by Jesus, meaning he was conning and a fraud.
3: worldly wealth(unrighteous mammon)can be money gotten dishonestly or fraudulently.
4: Make friends by giving people money you make fraudulently so that they can give back when you're down.
Unrighteous mammon is ill-gotten wealth to me.

These 2 verses 8-9 needs a clearer explanation, i thank you for your own explanation but i need another view on it.

Guy, who told u that unrighteous riches are ill gotten wealth?
Are u saying that righteouse riches is honest money?

At what time is caesar's thing righteouse? What then will God's things be called?

Money = unrighteouse riches.
Spirituality = righteouse riches that can be stored in heaven.

If u can find the true religion use that unrighteouse riches to support it as much as u can, it is a saving that will last or help u when money cannot. (such righteouse acts are savings in heaven)
Peace.

@olaadegbu
Mate.
I believe that u are aware that the bible says that the narrow way leads to life and the broad way leeds to destruction, meaning that the road with the majority of people will go in through the broad way to destruction.

I red ur post where u said that the trinity is the differentiating doctrine between true christian and false christians.

And we know that Majority of people believe and teach trinity, so, WHERE DO U THINK THIS MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE HEADING TO? Broad or narrow gate?

Dont 4get, the rest are small = cult, according to u.

@ myjoe
i think dehomer stand is very clear, rational and just.

u had said no two Jehovah's w can express ther reservations as though they are prisoners of conscience, he is trying to show u that it is possible even though it is not advisable, just as it is in any other religiouse body.

Or are u saying that some religiouse body preach that their members should be dessenting as a standerd?

How come honesty is elluding most so call religiouse people?(pentecostal/catholic)

@myjoe
The JW, all of them base there teaching on the bible, from the top members down, all of them on the bible. Why will u expect them to argue with each other when they can all verify from the bible that what is said is correctly applied?

The catholic say that God talks to them, and that supper seeds what the bible says, so, it is understandable when their members refuse it owing to their understanding of what the bible says as being diff.
Peace.

frosbel: ^^^

Mate, I asked the question first, stop playing games, I do not answer questions with questions.

If you had asked this simple question, I would have provided a proper response eons ago.

There is ONLY 1 throne throughout scripture.

Let me help you , the one sitting on the throne is our Father became our redeemer , this is a clue.

To show three thrones in heaven is tritheism- the belief in three gods. The idea of three thrones contradicts Scripture, as Revelation 4:2 is clear there is one throne. Also, to say that there is one throne begs the question, who is sitting on the throne?

We see from Scripture that Jesus, our Father and Redeemer, is the one God sitting on the one throne in heaven. There is one throne, and one sitting on the throne- Jesus, the Alpha, Omega, beginning, ending, first, last, who was, is, and is to come, the Almighty.

If Jesus is kings of kings would he not seat on a throne? Do u expect him to stand?

So, if the kings of kings goes in befor the anciente of days and the anciente of days told him to seat at his right hand untill he place his enemise under his feet u mean he refuse cus there was only one throne?

And, which throne was the anciente of days sitting on? Or was he standing? Or he stood up for the kings of kings to sit?

If he was the almighty why will he wait untill his enemy is place under his feet?
Does the almighty take instructions? From who?

U people should open ur eyes and see what trinity is...

Enigma: ^^^ Is there a physical throne at all?

Or are there three physical thrones?

Are u trying to create confusion here or what?

If God did not want human to relate with the issue of throne why was it necessary for him to show it?
If it was important weather it is physical or spiritual why did he not explain it?
U are asking Frosbel that is using what God wrote to draw conclusion as if he is the owner of the bible.

So, you, what throne did stephen see? Physical or spiritual throne?

I fear for you.

@olaadegbu
Bro, am impress for sincerity of purpose.
But i can tell u that u have not scratch the surface yet on this research.

However, u did not bother to ask who drew the conclusion on the research u made? U obviously should note that on an issue like this ones religiouse bias can affect ones conclusion.
Why not try reading 1John 5:6&8 as if 7 does not exist and see the sense u will get?
Then consider the context and see how 7 fit in by urself.

Without leading u, u will notice that the issue is about earth. And Jesus coming to earth. And overcometh the world. 7 seems foreign.

Does the fact that 8 said that three bear witness in heaven means that water and blood are persons?
As vas 6 have it?

Bro, if u read vas 5 then read vas 9 u will see the sense of what happened at Jesus baptism, God himself bearing witness at christ baptism. Even making me to be sceptic of vas 6,7,8. Pls, just have a look.

JW say that Jesus is an archangel. Leader of the angels.

When u hear them out u will know and see the facts they have.

truthislight: With the way i see things some peole will reward themself with everlasting life since they have the power to tell story that contradict the scriptures.

It is not a fact but falacy tha there are three gods.

Have any of those quoting 1John 5:7 ever made research to find out why Jesus never taught such?

Well, make research and u will find out that older manuscript dont have those passage but newer one have it, after the dead of the apostls and we know it is the handyworks of catholic monks. Toward 5th century ce.

Ok,

1. firstly, the bible at no place say that the holy spirit is a person. (otherwise show me)


2. Stephen look into heaven and saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of God (the holy spirit was missing. No referenc to it since it was not there, otherwise, oga holy spirit would have taken offence)


3. The word messiah or christ means annointed, did Jesus annoint himself?(anointing come from superior person to lower ones = Empower)


4. When Jesus died, are u saying there was no God in the univers for 3days?


5. Isaiah 9:6, a child is born and will be called mighty God. Jesus title is mighty God,
exodus 6:3 Yahweh(Jehovah) is refered to as almighty God.
Mighty and almighty is it the same? (people wickedness has made them in some translations to use Lord all through to loose this sense)

6. No man has seen God at anytime Jesus said, but we have seen Jesus (so u mean Jesus is a lier?)

7, if Jesus and his father are same, how come that he said, "that day and hour no one knows even the son"? Matt 24:36?

8. Read John 20:17. I "have not yet ascended to my father, ur God and my God"

8. Jesus prayed to his father, that things should take place according to the fathers will and not his own will (the night befor his death)

9. Jesus said that the father is greater then him.

10. The bible teach that Jesus will rule for a thousand years after wish he will hand over the kingdom to his father. (is he handing over the kingdom to himself)
etc, etc, etc

like i have said, some of u will have to reward urself, Jesus said he will dinied some people. Matt 6.21 to 23.
Due to lawlessness acts.
Peace

@olaadegbu
Bro, that statement at 1.joint 5:7
Is a later addition.

There was a time catholic monks took it upon themself to hand copy the bible, thats how that statement found it way into the scriptures. Thats why older manuscript dont contain that statement. Research it.

Say 4th ce.

@olaadegbu
I think i can understand u.
U are looking for inner peace of mind/contentment. That is not bad.
Keep on knocking it shall be open.but u must be honest though.
Peace.

OLAADEGBU: This doctrine of trinity is what separates true Christianity from cults and false religions.

u urself is saying it,

@olaadegbu
sorry mate,
the issue seem to be above u, judging from the inconsistencies u are posting here.

The fact that u think u are the finall abiter of truth, calling all others fales for not believing an issues that even the vertican calls "a mystry" is reason for me to leave u as being dogmatic.
Peace though.

OLAADEGBU: I was excpecting you to challenge me to provide scriptural verses that proves that Yahweh is also said to be a mighty God. Let me quote some of these before you sweep it under the carpet.

Have you also considered the following verses of the holy Scriptures about who the mighty God is?

"But how his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob . . . " (Genesis 49:24).

"Until I find a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob." (Psalm 132:5).

"For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regards not persons, nor takes reward" (Deuteronomy 10:17).

Do you now see how these verses debunk your belief that Jesus Christ is a lesser God?

So, this scripture u have cited are describing the designation of the almighty?

So, if i should see the mother of the most beautiful girl in a country and hail saying
"here comes the mother of the beauty queen"
that means that the girl is no longer the most beautiful girl? Hmmm!
Sorry, the scriptures i cited are designations.
"He shall be called mighty God"
And "i appeared to ....as God almighty"

What u quoted was just saying that Jacob's God is a powerful God or that he has power and not designations.

My quote was One to Jehovah and the other to the son.

@olaadegbu
Friend, ur question is given me the impression that u have not taken time to read my previouse post properly.
Meanwhile. The guys that have done a good job to the guestion frosbel was asking are
Ijawkid
Freksy
The other gods that is blinding the mind people is found at 2cor 4:4 = satan.

My stand is very clear from my previouse post. = Trinity is not a bible teaching.
thanks

OLAADEGBU: According to the doctrines of the Vatican, Mary is the mother of Yahweh and is equally the spouse of the Holy Spirit.

Well, i can hardly say any reply to this.
From their teaching, it sounds so logical. Afterall, Jesus is the son.
How Trinity waters down the bible.

How people deviate from the bible sound teachings.

some of the comment here is tending toward religion when religion has nothing to do with it.

Ignorance i think is the problem.
Why will it not be since the churches only teaches prosperity.

Pls. Read Ecle 9:5,6,10 for a change.


There are even people that wish to be incremeted. Me for one..
Do u think it is every body that suffers from fear of the dead like some of you?
Know the truth and the truth will set u free.
Stop following man, read the bible for a change.
Peace

i dont think that a god that it followers can deceive with expensive offering is worth being call a god. Even when they do what is bad they go for offering. (Bribe)

Actually, the truth is that religion is guilty big time, in there involvement in the trouble in human history.
I thing god should operate at a very high frequency higher than human's. Frequency.

Eternal torment is absurd.
Not when God says he is love. And not when the person involve are not the originator of the weakness imperfection, they just inherited it.

I wonder what any of my child will do that will make me roast even one of his hand on a burner, i mean for just some minute not to talk of eternity.
Well for me, i will say, its good that not all religion that teaches this.
Peace.