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Mr anony: Lol, what exactly did this "brother" answer?

Secondly, when Christ was in the flesh He was in the form of a man and had to submit to the will of the Father. Remember the Trinity is 3 persons, 1 being.

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philipians 2:5-11 RSV


Here are a couple of verses you can ponder upon:

I am the LORD, that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another. Isaiah 48:11


Now let me ask you, do you agree with Isaiah 42:8 and Isaiah 48:11? Do you agree that God can never share His glory with another person?

Mr anony: Lol, what exactly did this "brother" answer?

Secondly, when Christ was in the flesh He was in the form of a man and had to submit to the will of the Father. Remember the Trinity is 3 persons, 1 being.

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philipians 2:5-11 RSV


Here are a couple of verses you can ponder upon:

I am the LORD, that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another. Isaiah 48:11


Now let me ask you, do you agree with Isaiah 42:8 and Isaiah 48:11? Do you agree that God can never share His glory with another person?

omonuan: This debate has gone on from the Treaty of Nicea circa 325 A.D.:


Treaty of Nicea?

"The first item to be decided was whether Jesus was divine like Constantine believed. Everyone agreed that he was (since they knew that the Emperor wanted that) but two bishops (Arius and Marcius) disagreed quite eloquently and logically. After some debate, they were declared heretics and beheaded on the council floor. That effectively stopped disagreement. (These days the pope just excommunicates anyone who disagrees. That is, he condemns them to hell.)"

http://rense.com/general66/hide.htm

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-154079.html

truthislight: Lame!

What did Jesus say about the Woman that married 7 Brothers in the resurrection ?

He said that the resurrected brothers will be "like" angels.

So, what then do you think happened to Jesus after his resurrection ?

benalvino: Jesus lie? that's what you just said... He told his disciples he is not a spirit... I don't want to show u proof scriptures just explain my Jesus deceive his disciples according to your beliefs... please explain...

it is shocking how what you believe is calling jesus liar not once but twice.

truthislight: How do you think that the angels that visited Abraham, Jacob, eat with them, wrestle with Jacob are not spirit abi ? Because they can be felt and touch right ?

How did they manage it if spirit cannot put on material body ?

Mr anony: But the bible teaches that they are 3 persons yet one God

Mr anony: this is an example of you being unnecessarily dubious

1. How did Philip teleport to Azotus?

2. Ezekiel 37

3. This is just you purposely playing dumb. Are you saying that because Jesus didn't specifically mention blood, therefore blood is drained out of resurrected bodies? What kind of dirty pretentious argument tactic is that?
Let us test your argument:
In Matt 16:17, people didn't have bones because Jesus said to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you"
in Joel 2:28, people had neither bones nor blood because God was pouring out His Spirit upon all flesh only
In Genesis 2:23, Eve is drained of blood because Adam only called her the "flesh of his flesh and bone of his bones.

See how silly your argument is looking now? Please try and argue honestly it doesn't help an argument if the two sides are actively and deliberately trying their best to misunderstand each other.

Itsfacts: hahaha so you dont know? Can God do anything if he was without wisdom at some certain time?
you have to answer o. Who is prudence?
Which house did wisdom build?
Which table did wisdom prepare?
Why did she cry out?
Tell me the answers o. And tell me why God was without wisdom in the first place. I like to see benalvino examine you on this one. He knows how to debate.

Mr anony: Lol, I think the problem lies with you. You'll now have to explain how there are two alpha and omega and how come one alpha and omega calls the other alpha and omega His God.

Mr anony: I don't see how your rant here applies to anything I hold. I have never said that The Father and The Son and the Holy Ghost are the same person rather that they are 3 persons and yet one being. God

By the way I noticed you have started your version jumping tricks again. Are you interested in an honest discussion about the nature of God?

Mr anony: Interesting, so the person in verse 6 is coming quickly or is it Jesus who is coming? Or maybe Jesus said He was coming and then paused so that God the Father can jump in mid-sentence and say "I am the Alpha and Omega" Then Jesus continued from there?

ijawkid: You want to know prudence??.....why don't you study more and find out.......

Our discuss here is strictly about Jesus......if after reading proverbs 8:22-30 one says it has no dealings with Jesus then that person has to be a wayo person..........

I mean all that was mentioned about wisdom is an exact replica of what you read in john 1:1,colosians 1:15-19,revelation 3:14, about Jesus...etc.........

1....Wisdom was the beginning of Gods creative works...compare with revelation 3:14

2...Wisdom was the first Óf Gods creation.....rÉad that ya colossians 1:15-16...

3....Wisdom was beside God as a craftsman...(Clearly shows Jesus took part In creation as Gods agent....)......

WhÀt was sÀid about wi§dom that doesn't apply to Jesus is what you should point out....

twosquare: Please and please.go and sit down.u are still a suckling,not even a baby in things that pertaineth to heavenly realms...so what u dont knw,keep mum abt it.There is dat which is frm d beginning,dat which i have heard and seen with my very eyes and dat which my hands have handled concerning d mysteries of d Godhead.... i speak not as who doesnt knw wat is happening and true in realms beyond dis earth.If ur soul hav ascend into d heaven of heavens...then u can speak...dats y i cant argue with u...coz u are so so ignorant and i cant but weep...when u hav reached dis level, ehn ehnn...no problem....like i said d other time...we speak wisdom among men that are perfect/matured not among children.

twosquare: who is saying he doesnt read it...am talking to u dat ur argument is pointless,clueless and doest add up to anytin...dats wat am telling u.....

benalvino: I don't know when the father was pierced... I know jesus was pierced and I know jesus was dead... and I know is jesus that is coming... You have no excuse on rev 1:8... LORD and Lord are distinct... LORD is for the father and Lord is for the son... Lord almighty is for the son...

I don't see why I should be answering you... you always sound bitter

benalvino: you always sound bitter

frosbel: Though I am 100% sure that Jesus Christ is not Almighty GOD , let's be clear about one thing, Jesus Christ rose again bodily not in spirit.

He is 100% flesh and bones as per :

"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” - Luke 24:39

benalvino: Philippians 3:21
Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20For our conversation is in heaven; from where also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like to his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things to himself.

there are other verses in the old testament that talks about bones coming together during resurrection... so don't worry our body will be transform and not disposed. graves will open bones will come together... not like the spirit will just start popping up... if that is the case no need for grave to open.

benalvino: did Jesus lie when he said he will raise up his body? did he lie when he says spirit don't have flesh and bones? if your answer is no... then you have contradicted your self.

Mr anony: For even more harmony, I know Revelations 22:12-13, there is no way to escape this one.

Mr anony: some people will stubbornly deny the truth even if it kicks them in the head

benalvino: don't mind him he doesn't want to accept the truth... I have provide 3 verses jesus is called almighty and there can not be 2 almighty also God cannot be almighty and mighty at the same time... so is Jesus.

benalvino: I will show you just three but there is more.

[quote author=benalvino]2 Corinthians 6:18
And will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty.

benalvino: rev 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

benalvino: Revelation 4:8
Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come."

Mr anony: Good. Now compare:

"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let him who hears say, “Come.” And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price."

Rev 22:12-16

Was the statement in red made by Jesus Christ? Or are there two Alpha and Omega?

benalvino: truthislight how many almighty do we have? there can only be one almighty... but Jesus is called almighty. and how can God be almighty and mighty at same time?

frosbel: Lol.

So God was talking to himself and Satan could not figure it out.

Have you heard this from James the brother of Jesus which says :

James 1:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Does this not clearly show that GOD cannot be tempted ? If Jesus is GOD , how come he was tempted ? Are you saying GOD has a multiple personality disorder ?

Debroslink: And Jesus replied "do not tempt the Lord ur God. Answer these question, was Satan tempting God the Father there? How come Jesus made such statement if He were not God?

benalvino: that's your opinion... maybe you should see truthislight post.

benalvino: Genesis 49:24
But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,

this is just one... there are more but one is enough for you.

benalvino: Jesus was also called almighty... the father was also called mighty...

benalvino: let us wait for the whole revelation to past first... Jesus is in Heaven... he still have work to do. but that is not what you believe... you believe Jesus stopped to exist when he died and Michael the angel is now the new Jesus...

benalvino: this is already cleared... am not going back to it.. I post up to 20 scriptures... how can a power have feelings and mind of his own? I have cleared this spirit issue if you didn't see it go and check it... there is nothing like active force.

Debroslink: you have lost it. Are u saying the Father is the one coming to the sky? Who is sending His angels to show John the prophecy? U contradict yourself.

Read the bold part and you will see here written expressly that Jesus is the Lord God of the prophets, the Alpha and Omega.