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Ubenedictus: some funny stuff happened wen christ died, d so called dead rose with their bodies matt27vs 52. So wu is saying no one has risen b4 d general resurrection??

"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the holy ones which slept arose," (Matthew 27:52).
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What has that to do with going to heaven?

Are the holy ones not supposed to go to heaven again?
What are they still doing in the grave since you teach that all righteousness people go to heaven and the wicked go to hell?

So, what are those righteous ones still doing in the grave?

Inconsistencies!

Did Christ not say he will first go prepare a place first before coming back ?

Don't forget, Christ remained on earth for forty days before heading back to heaven.

*Edited*

Pygru: Pygru still very much around...

Good You are around, now, start presenting the truth, empty headed thing.

Pygru: Matthew 24:11 ►
New International Version (©2011)
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets , which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardlythey are ravening wolves.

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2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shallbe according to their works.[/color]

Do not be carried away by their popularity, command of english, Head knowledge of the Bible, Sugar coated tongue, etc
The comming of the Lord is at hand (rapture).
Satan, their master is figthing tooth and nail to deceive.

And what is the truth? Present it and lets see?

I dare you pyguru to present the truth here and not just to make noise when you know nothing at all.

Present it and use the Bible to show how it is the truth from Genesis to Revelation?

If you dont present it here you are a well parkaged hypocrite!

Pygru: I comment my reserve


Even the Existence/Reality of hell na dogma of men


I see....

I have reviewed/discussed and now conclude that most of you Teachings are false!

What Do you know that is truth?

You are the number one empty headed thing i have ever came across in my entire life.

Your user ID speaks volume for who you are: a deranged clown going about defaming other hard working, hard reading people that you cant even stand befor when the bible is being discussed, you know nothing. Ziiiiiipe!

Jesus told his disciples to preach to people and you dont have the capacity to do that, how can you be useful to Jesus?

If you think i have lied against you, produce one (1) single thread where you taught the truth of Gods word and lets see?

All you have are threads of you black mailing different people that have divergent views to yours, is that how to carry out the commission that Jesus christ sent his followers to preach?

I dare you to produce 1 single thread of yours that have enriched people with knowledge like frosbel and others you have been accusing have done? I dare you to prove your usefulness with 1 old thread of yours!

An empty container/can makes the loudest noise.

Its high time you checked into a hospital for mental balance check up.

Rubbish!

Pastor Olu T: Mr frosbel this is to show ur interpretations is contradictory.

U say the soul is the total man which comprises of the spirit in
explaining what Paul said in 1 Thessalonian 5:23. I will put that in the
said scripture for all to see how much sense it makes.

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely: and may ur
whole spirit, soul (whole man), and body be preserved blameless at the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe we all understand what tautaulogy is in English Language,
unnecessary repitions. Now Paul prayed that the Lord would sanctify them
completely, the he went further by saying that they should be kept
blameless wholly spirit, soul, and body. He mentioned the wholeness of
man and separated the soul and spirit, if the soul is truly the total
man, he would have just said after using completely and wholly, their
souls should be kept blameless. This clearly shows the different between
the soul and the spirit.

Man is not like the trinity the question u asked, the three part of man
is not different from the man. Its just like saying the organs, tissues
e.t.c are different from man's body. This also explains where they go
when man dies.

Did you notice you have to input your personal opinion and ideas into that for you to pass "your ideas" across?

You cannot directly use the bible to propagate such since that was not what Yahweh taught the sons of Israel.

The simple truth is that, the idea you are expressing is pegan ideas that satan gave to them, even the african ancestor worship that satan gave to pegan nations, they all have same ideas, all of them where alienated from Yahweh, starting from the abandonment in Eden, this pegan ideas is not of Yahweh but of the gods the pegans worship > satan and his Demons, even soul travel, etc.

It was only after christ came that the pegan can get close to Yahweh.

So, what the bible contains is different from what you are trying to teach.

Go meet the witch of Edor that Saul the rejected king of Israel consulted and shear such ideas, there were no such witch/ideas/practice in Israel they did not get such knowledge from Yahweh.

Satan is the source of such knowledge that was why Saul had to travelled out of Israel.

Your idea is from satan, and it is meant to proof that what satan told Adam that Adam will not die is the truth.

So, just dont say it is from Yahweh.
Peace.

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You better be like frosbel and turn around and start standing for the truth.

See how well he is doing now.

Far better than you.

@Ijawkid gave you this to show how you people belief errors.

nlMediator: Interesting question. I'm glad you wrote clearly here that God is the Source of Life. And when shown that the Bible says that Jesus is also the Source of Life, which equates to saying that Jesus and God are one and the same, you pretend you don't understand and ask me where I'm coming from?

"As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. " (John 6:57).
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Stop putting your personal opinion on the truth shown to you.



"As
the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. " (John 6:57).
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Also take note that the father is "living".

He is different from Jesus.

He is "living" differently on his own.

[quote author=Dux-01]Well that is what i don't believe, that Jesus WORSHIPS the Father.[/quote]Who was Jesus christ praying to ?
Was he praying to himself

[quote author=Dux-01]Well that is what i don't believe, that Jesus WORSHIPS the Father.[/quote]"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. " (John 17:5-9).

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You have a mental problem.

You are a nuisance to this forum.

Ijawkid have not given his personal opinion on this thread, but has rather consistently made use of the bible, but all you can do is come up with lame copy and pest propaganda, is that how to preach the word of God?

Is that the example that Jesus and the apostles left behind, go learn from them.

Should you not be ashamed of yourself, that you that claim to be a "true christian" cannot defend the bible like he does?

How then can you be on the right?

Of all those on this thread, from frosbel, Boomark, Ijawkid and all those you accused all the time falsely, who can you withstand on a bible discussion? None!

If you were to be the one defending God, then you are a disgrace.

Did you not see how Eloquent Jesus and his apostles defended God?

Did you not see how effective they used the scriptures ?

They were masters of it.

They did not teach there head knowledge, but they used the word of God.

They handled the word of truth "aright".

Shame on you!

[quote author=Dux-01]John 5:22-23.That is why It is Jesus christ that is going to Judge and not the Father.[/quote]"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: " (John 5:22).
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"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. " (John 5:19-23)

truthislight: "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; " (Revelation 1:13-19).
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"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18)

Jesus christ is the first and the last in that he is the first person to be personally resurrected by Yahweh to immortal life in heaven and the last to be so resurrected personally by Yahweh to immortal heavenly life.

The rest persons will be resurrected by Jesus christ to heaven.

benalvino: Since my good friend says only begotten son proves that Jesus is created... That means the angels are his begotten sons too... Since he created them also.

Jesus is ONLY gotten son.

kambo: Let me help you out.. it seems the bible is like a ball of wool and ur a kitten u keep getting tangled up when u open scriptures to understand..

The body isnt saved:
find this verse : "if any man be in christ he is a new creature old things are past away behold all things are become new"
"present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto the lord who is your reasonable service"

The body isnt saved, the mind/soul isnt saved.. only the spirit receives the life of God in it - by the HOLY SPIRIT COMING to make his home in it . (see romans8).

But Salvation is a total package that will one day affect the spirit,soul,body.
Since a christians spirit is saved, and has the nature of God in it-
The Christian's spirit is a faithful guide and wants to do right-but the christians body wants to do wrong
leading to the battles raging in every christians .. see Galatians 5 ..
The christian life therefor entails working in the Spirit (romans 8 v1,galatians 5.)
God is in the Christians spirit and the spirit man has the grace of God (Galatians 6 v18)..
(please read these verses for yourself -- even though u ar wishing for the soul sleep thing..)
Christians/all truely saved people await the redemption the saving of their BODIES (Romans 8 vs 23 c).
if the human body were saved - then they'd be no more death for the christian - i.e physical death..
but that isnt the case.

The human body is also called the "outward man" - think. if there's an outward man,then there's an inward man - your spirit . and the outward man is dying.. (2cor4:16).
that's Y even born again chrstians are subject to aging .. its death of the body..
But the spirit man,the inward man doesnt die...

in light of these you can understand the verses you quoted:

"there are celestial bodies and terrestial..." .
this is a comparison.. used to make the points of the chapter by the writer..
it doesnt say the human body when resurrected will b celestial ..

"the resurrection of the dead . it is shown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption.."
can't us see this is about the resurrection of the human body.it is sown in weakness - the outward man dies daily-
but it will be raised in strength - never to die ,decay rot..
the house of the spirit will b saved. with the expectation of the hopes of the christian in romans 8:23c.
infact, paul says, the christian has been given a part payment of his hope,the gift of the Holy spirit!
so the presence of the Holy spirit in Man's spirit is proof of the promise that his body will one day be
saved!!.
again read romans 8:23.

" it is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption"
stop to think. which part of man is sown in incorruption - of spirit,soul,body 1thes5:23.
cuz the spirit of man is savd already, and according to 2cor4:16,the inward man,the spirit is not die (corrupting)..
it is his body! not his spirit..
the rest of the verse goes on to show the kind of body man will have wen raised up ..
its the kind of body Jesus had when he resurrected - can work thru walls etc.. an amazing body.. nothing like
the earthly body b4.
this is like planting a seed in the ground,the seed dies but a new seed is raised up.

"flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"- again debunking the myth your ilks believe that man isnt a spirit..
heaven is a spiritual place not like some earthly location hence it is not accesible by mere human beings ,ordinarily.

"we shall not all sleep..."
this is an euphemism for death . same as we shall not all die..
Not all christians will taste death.
i mean physical death.
for those alive when Jesus returns,they shall be physically trnsformed, romans 8:23c, then raptured to meet Jesus in the air.
This verse agrees with the previous verses i quoted : 1thes4:13

"but we shall all be changed! " - what part of us will be changed? not the spirit that is born again?
but the body - which is carnal and subject to decay.. this carnal body cannot enter the kingdom of heaven evn
though the spirit is saved,so to enter heaven it will b 'changed' in the 'twinkling of an eye'
thereby completing almost all of the salvation package - the saving of the spirit,soul and body.

"so when this corruptible has put on incorruption..."
Again,talking of the transformation of the human body of the saved person, when Jesus comes,
"and when this mortality has put on immortality .."

Again, like i pointd out earlier, this refers to the human body, because,the spirit of man is already a new creature -
(has eternal life)
besides, the human spirit is by nature immortal -whether man is saved or not - but his body is not hence is body
which is dead because of sin (romans 8 v 10a) ,
2cor4:16, is mortal, even after a person bcomes born again.
But God's plan is the salvation of all the human elements spirit,soul,body.
and at the coming of Christ,the human body will put on immortality - not his spirit!.

When this happens, then , believers will have a real laff in the face of death..
the human body was subject to death,even though man was born again - spirit had God life in it -
yet their body didnt and was subject to death.
But when saved man puts on his transformed body he'll laff death and mock it , death will
then have absolutely no power of over saved man - leading to the taunt - "where,o death , is your sting,
where o grave is your victory!!!" 1 cor15:55..

This does not in anyway contradict the casting of death into the lake of fire in revelations..
so dont get confused..
this means death's power is broken over saved man's body..
the verses of 1cor15. Dont relate to ALL men as you're trying to imply but to saved man..

Not that these verses relate to the rapture and not the resurrection of the tribulation saints or the sinner dead!!
dont mix them up.
after the rapture comes the tribulation,reign of anti christ, and then the intervention of Jesus,
1000 year or so millenial reign,binding of satan in the bottom less pit ,
reign of saints for that period, release of satan,
fir from heaven against the revolters,
casting of satan,anti christ,false prophet into lake of fire,
casting of hell death into lake of fire
and then the resurrection of the dead, sinners, trib saints, separation of sheep from goats,
and casting of all whose names arent found in the book of life into lake of fire..
nothing like soul sleep.
"hell will also give up its dead!!" - if there was soul sleep,
they'd be no souls in hell.
if there was soul sleep,the rich man in the story of lazarus wudnt be in hell, and lazarus wudnt be carried
by angels anywhere?
and they'd be no saints returng with Jesus, when the trumpet sounds... it would be only Jesus and angels.


Your opinion outstides of scriptures is irrelevant. ther's nothing like the satanic lie "soul sleep".

Like you can see, i did not fight scriptures but had rather let it stand.

Keep fighting the BIBLE.

"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17).

kambo: satanic deceit-- ever learning ever researching but never ever able to come to d knowledge of truth.
if you read 1Thes5v23 and still come away with the conclusion that u aint spirit u have serious denail issues.

even basic logic tells you that that verse lists 3 separate things.
if you read the story of the rich man and lazarus and come away that it is a parable u get thnking paralysis..
jokers.. i gave my concluding verses to you..
and you ignored it..
continue with ur satanic delusion about "soul sleep"..


i'll address any thing you throw up but address those i confront you with.
like the verses i give in my previous post.

Your word and that of the bible, which should i take ?

Smh.

It is the bible that should decide what we should belief in.

benalvino: If Jesus is not God what is he? Answer this question.

I dont want to discuss revelation with you.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).
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"Son of God" >>>
The bible calls him "mighty God"


"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).
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While Yahweh is called "almighty God".

Take note, the word God is a title.

Even satan is called god:

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4)
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So, Yahweh is greater than Jesus christ.

Peace

[quote author=Dux-01]but you can't still explain that verse.why?Rev 1:13-19[/quote]"And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; " (Revelation 1:13-19).
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What do you want me to explain there ^ ?

[quote author=Dux-01]but you can't still explain that verse.[/quote]Which vers ?

frosbel: I hope you know Calvin was a murderer ?

Jesus should always be the path we follow, not Calvinism or Arminianism.

The two are false and goes beyond what the message of the bible is.

benalvino: Um dude they will close their eyes so dont bother... Explaining

Again, dont stop him, maybe, he is a honest hearted person that truly wants to learn.

benalvino: Um dude they will close their eyes so dont bother... Explaining

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28).
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And who is the hard hearted and deliberately covering his eyes here now ?

Your Trinity is a false teaching.

[quote author=Dux-01]but in revelation it is One person who is saying that he is ''the first and the last''and he is ''him that liveth and was dead and is alive''.This could only be Jesus.[/quote]I have not quoted the bible yet but simply told you what is in Revelation that has been shown over and over in this forum.

[quote author=Dux-01]but in revelation it is One person who is saying that he is ''the first and the last''and he is ''him that liveth and was dead and is alive''.This could only be Jesus.[/quote]Jesus is the first from the dead.
You are allowing what the mother Church had done to get to you.

The name of Yahweh was remove to get you confuse and yes it is working.

Ihedinobi: Which is patent nonsense because it is not the first time, nor is it strange, nor yet unreasonable that she locked a thread because of other commenters. Have you not been part of a thread that she locked not because of a bad op but because of the conduct of posters on it? I particularly know that you have. One example is the one where you and the "person" lord were having a free-for-all, no?

Yeah, i can still remember that thread.

Logicboy03: Jesoul makes rules up as she goes. And those made up rules only apply to atheists.


Example- she saw a thread of mine that was a bible quiz.

She then banned it and claimed that it was offensive. When I the reposted the op in the complaints section foreveryone to see, she then said that it was the sarcastic tone of the other posters on the thread that made it offensive.

So

1) The new rule is that sarcasm is offensive
2) The new rule is that the op can be inoffensive but the thread will be banned if the other posters are scarcastic/offensive


She also tried to claim that my thread should be in the games section since it is a quiz but she backpedaled when I posted two other bible quiz threads.


Jesoul is a joke....


I know her style by now....target certain notorious atheists so that it looks like she doesnt attack all atheists.

"Notorious Atheist, who are they?
you?
I see!

benalvino: But if he appointed David to be his firstborn then he has gotten 2 firstborn na... Can't you understand? And thanks for making my case stronger... In this case the firstborn is neither A first child of God or his parents nor is it the first created... Instead the verse is saying he is higher than all the kings in the earth that is preeminence.

Jesus was not "appointed", he is God's only begotten "firstborn" son. QED

ijawkid: I mean all life....be it that of Jesus,the angels,humans and all breathing thing.........
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Please read John 6:67

New Living Translation (©2007)
I live because of the living Father
who sent me; in the same way,
anyone who feeds on me will live
because of me.

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Also consider hebrews 2:10-11

10 It was only right that God, who creates
and preserves all things, should make Jesus
perfect through suffering, in order to bring
many children to share his glory. For Jesus is
the one who leads them to salvation. 11 He
purifies people from their sins, and both he
and those who are made pure all have the same
Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to
call them his family.
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Have you in your wildest dreams asked why we share the same Father and GOD with Jesus??.......

Absolutely mavelose!

Beautiful!

[quote author=Dux-01]if Jesus has a beginning why did he say he is the alpha and omega in the book of Revelation?[/quote]Jesus is not the alpha and Omega.

Revelation is reporting about Christ and His father.

Imediately Jesus is mention, it will be followed by the Father, or, when the father is mentioned, next, the son.

Dont mixed things up and get confused.

ijawkid: i wasnt even arguing it had one meaning.,...i agree to all the meanings...it is you guys who have chosen to hang to one meaning to run away from facts presented.....

i have been quoting genesis 49:3 to show exactly and in context what Jesus being the firstborn and the beginning of Gods creation means....

there are more scriptures that have consistently shown what firstborn of or beginning of means and how and why they are used ..........

i think genesis is a starting point....

and please also sit back and quietly analyze what it means for someone or something to be begotten/.....

and even if the NWT removes the other in bracket it still doesnt erase the truth.......

i would give u a reason why other was put in bracket......

but before that please read this scripture to know why other was put there....


1 Corinthians 15:24-27
King James Version (KJV)
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.


this scripture up there explains why the other was put in bracket...

if one reads the above scripture one might think that the expression all things excludes Jesus from been under the authority of a superior....but paul just for clarification sake had to go further to say God who ofcourse is greater than Jesus is excepted from the authority of Jesus while Jesus is under his authority....

the all in colossians drives home the same meaning....that is why the previous verses before verses 16-17 of colossians 1 had refered to Jesus as the image of GOD and the firstborn of all creation.....

Yahweh ofcourse is excepted but Jesus is part of all who was begeted by Yahweh the source of all life.....Jesus' existence and source of life is from Yahweh.....Jesus had a beginning....he was begotten,but was the first of whatever God created...thank you....

you should have add this below for him:

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28).

Simply the magnificent truth ^.

benalvino: If I call my last born firstborn am saying he is above my other children.

Guy, what do you smoke? ^^^ do you smoke Jamaican weed?

Itsfacts: You see what am saying? Are you helping me or what?

Manifest incarnate how does it matter? What is your point? The thing is the bible said Jesus was incarnated before he got into mary's womb...

Bible say God manifest in the flesh which means bible is teaching Jesus is God.

Meanwhile, you forgot that the word god is a title that any entity that receives worship is called, even stones and satan.

Itsfacts: till you answer all question you have been asked what is the point of you asking more?

Smh.

Ijawkid has answered this question since but you refuse or you cant see.

benalvino: Psalms 89:27

And I will appoint him to be my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth. You are the one who have to answer. All the question we asked you all you did was ask other question to run from it go back and answer why is Israel God firstborn David and few others. Try answer all those questions pls do not reply with questions reply with answers

ijawkid: Do you see the bolded ^ up there.....??......and immediately after the bolded the answer was given...........

You guys have been running around defining firstborn in just one way which is at best wayo on your part..........


Let us define firstborn proper so that y'all can get your senses aroused.......

Genesis 49:3

New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
"Reuben, you are my firstborn; My
might and the beginning of my
strength, Preeminent in dignity
and preeminent in power.


Again I would ask you both.........how is Jesus the Gods firstborn or the firstborn and beginning of all creation...??....how is reuben jacobs firstborn and also the beginning of his virility??



Let me go straight into the discussion proper with the questions above.........

He said that the Psalm is talking about God "appointing" some one, and not that the person is the first born son of God like Jesus.

Learn to get the argument right and stop going like a fail break train.