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ijawkid: Did God call david his Firstborn??....answer the question............

You guys have answered zilch......

This elementary argument is tiring and discouraging me, not when they are even deceitful, twisting peoples statement.

benalvino: dont call Adam the eternal father bible never teaches that

who called Adam eternal father ?

I did not. I only drew an analogy.

I had asked you, if Adam had not sinned and was alive today, will he not be our eternal father?

Will that ^ had ment that he had no beginning?

You deliberately misapplied my statement.

Tpfkakambo: A christian one who has accepted christ Has d Spirit of Chrst in him,specifcally in his spirit,so a christian isnt going to b alive at a future date but alredy has Life in Him already, romns8:11 "if d spirit of Him who raised Jesus frm d dead is livg in u,he wu raised Christ frm d dead will give life to your mortal bodies thru his Spirit, who lives in u" .

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
"As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." (1 Corinthians 15:40-54).
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Learn to read and study the bible well befor believing Satanic deceit.

benalvino: So wrong because Adam have a beginning he was created about 6000 years ago so never mind you are wrong on that.

That Jesus is our Eternal father then means he has no beginning?

Does the fact that we human will be given eternal life, does that also imply that we have no beginning?

Smh for you.

There is a difference between eternity and eternal.

Have you ever heard that any body will be given eternity? No.

But humans will be given eternal life. No ?

Debroslink: Revelation 1v8,11. Jesus said "I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last". He is the Almighty who left His glory and Majesty because the world can't contain Him. Hence He wept, hungered, bled, slept and died. Yes, He is the Ancient of days who came with the clouds of heaven (Daniel 7v22). The Great God who will appear in the Sky (Titus 2v13).

You are a fake Christian if you don't worship and serve this Lord God Almighty (John 20:28) who rose 4rm the dead.

Childs play!

Debroslink:
show me in the scriptures where Jesus called Mary His mother or keep quiet about this blasphemy forever

What ?

But Jesus is the son of Mary.

*sigh*

benalvino: In other words Jesus is not the eternal father... He didn't create the person who born him in your understanding. Jesus did not exist before Mary. That is for you to worry I can't explain more because you will still close your eyes to the fact I presented

If Adam were to be alive today, if he had not sin, he would have been our father Eternally. No?

Jesus took over from him when he bought us with his blood >>> the ransom and became our father. No ?

That is how Jesus became our "eternal father"
> futuristic.

benalvino: you guys can't seem to grasp anything... Jesus exist before Mary he created her he is eternal he is alpha and omega... And at the right time he became flesh he was God before the incarnation... So how can Mary be the mother of God?

If am a king, my mother becomes the mother of a king.

If Jesus is God almighty mary becomes the mother of God almighty. Yes![/quote]but then, Jesus is not the almighty God.

Jesus is not the Alpha and the Omega.

frosbel: But if Jesus is GOD , Mary is the Mother of GOD , No ?

Yes, that will make her the "mother of God".

ijawkid: It also baffles when trinitarians who are non-catholics can't believe and accept that mary is the mother of God when they sheepishly agree that God was manifest in flesh.....

Smdh!!!!!

If i am a Trinitarian i will most gladly call mary the "mother of God".

If i dont, then i would have made myself a hypocrite and a liar.

truthislight: Because your kind of persons added words of Greek philosophy and made it complex and confussing.

Come join us and remove those words.

and blame the "mother church" for it.

nlMediator: If Scripture has been made as simple as you claim, why are you spending countless hours discussing its contents?

Because your kind of persons added words of Greek philosophy and made it complex and confussing.

mazaje: The bible says an unbeliever is condemned already. . .

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " (Matthew 24:14).

mazaje: I was going through the thread tittled "Good Atheists Will Go To Heaven" - Pope Frances and I noticed that many people were againt the idea of good athiest going to heaven. . .

My question for the hell believers is this?. . .Why will you like any body to suffer in hell just for lack of belief in stories and hypothesis?. . .Not because the person is a mass murderer or a serial rapist and criminal. . .Why should a person suffer eternity in hell simply because he does not believe in stories that were told by unknown ancient men and their superstitions?. . .

What you call hell is a latin word.

The Jews use Hebrew language, so, they did not make used of the word hell.

benalvino: Frosbel it doesn't make sense to you and I see you still fighting that the bible did not back it up whereas it does... I simply know you have no argument what so ever.

The doctrine is in the bible that is why trinity explains it...

What argument do you have?

shdemidemi: when God said 'let us make man in our image and likeness', please answer straight who was he talking to?

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?" (Job 38:4-8 ).

And.

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15).
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Jesus christ and the angels where there when Yahweh created the earth, as such, their where lots of spirit creatures for him to talk to.

However, the bible calls Jesus the master worker and the one through whom all things in heaven and on earth where created, so, it is safe to say it was a father and son discussion.


"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist". (existed) (Colossians 1:16-17).

nlMediator: So long as you approach it with a natural mind, the truth on this will continue to elude you.

Which truth?

striktlymi: https://tooxclusive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wybx_EclipseOlodoArtwork.jpg

Is that ^ you?

You dont look like a liar there in the picture.

It is a pity you cannot do better than your lying pope.

You and your pope are liars. Comfiremed!

What a disgrace!

*"atheist will go to heaven", what a deceitfulness from satan to keep people in an unsaveable state after turning them to atheist with all sort of additions to a very simple christian message of salvation?*

what will you and your pope gain by encouraging them to remain as atheist ?

Oh! I forgot, you are carrying out the desires of your father > Satan.

That ^ one was a manslaiyer from get go.

Continue with your mass murder that you started in the dark ages.

This current one now is a modernised kind.

Smh for deceit.

striktlymi: it is shut up!

Good you know.

So shut up! and stop lying.

Tpfkakambo: u wish.
Or ar u tryg to tell me wat d bible says?
Or u ar deliberately stayg blind?
Sorry bro. I hv no time 2 revisit ths old debate.
Hidg ur head in a bcket of sand doesnt prove there's no sun.
The verse says "i was in d spirit and heard (while in d spirit)"
and u come here tellg me John saw a vision!
In acts chpter 10v3: cornelius had a vision..the wrd used there is vision.
Wen peter was prayg v10 he "fell into a trance"..
God knows wat a vision is so ur interpretation is unnecessary.
In revelations John didnt hve a vision but was caught uo into d spirit realm.
Continue deludg urself. Or teach God wat he meant..

"I am in the spirit" simply mean that the spirit of God was compelling them!

How can you then have the misunderstanding that they "left their body"?



You have a very big problem.

You remind me of @Image123

Tpfkakambo: The body is still and life at death (departure of spirit frm it)

that ^ is a lie.
The bible says the "dead are conscious of nothing". Eccl. 9:5,6.

Tpfkakambo: How will they b conscious of anythg going on in ths wrld wen they are in anoda wrld esp hell.

this is another lie.

Jesus that came down from heaven, said that no man has gone to heaven:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).
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So, all those dead people went no where, Elijah, Enoch, etc. Jesus said they are not in heaven, stop lying.

Tpfkakambo: Ddnt the rch man plead wt abraham to send evangelist to his brodas.

If you dont know the meaning of the parable, then keep quite and stop paddling faleshood.

Tpfkakambo: "abeg park well "
ur sentimental quip.
Ths is d recourse of thse who cant muster an intellectual argument.

I see, your argument is just that ^, "intellectual argument" and not biblical.

Tpfkakambo: A dead body cnt praise God of course , in ths life, and a corpse is silent..

Keep quite! You are twisting the truth of God's word.
If you dont have a biblical teaching to give, carry your ocult immortal soul that is just what Satan told Adam, that Adam will positively not die out of where the bible is being discussed.

See what God said to Adam:

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Genesis 3:19).
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Adam went back to where he came from > dust.

Befor Adam was created from dust, where was Adam existing? > He was existing no where.

When he died he went back to dust = no where.

You are lying with your ocult Demonic practices that satan and his Demons are manipulating to deceive humans.

Tpfkakambo: So, u keep blvg satan's lie tht there's no hell!

yes, there is nothing like "hell fire" in the knowledge that Yahweh gave to the Jews.

The word "hell" is a latin word that Jews did not make use of and the meaning has nothing to do with the Jews that Yahweh gave his word.

What you are teaching is falsehood.

Tpfkakambo: The body is still and life at death (departure of spirit frm it)

You must have been a witch craft practising man.

You are also into the ocult.

Lets consider the example given to us in the bible, this example written afore times is written for our own benefit.

Lets see the case of samuel and Saul.
This Saul consulting a witch/spirit medium is a deceit from satan and his Demons.

That is why Yahweh commanded that those witches that satan used in deceiving people should be sent out of Israel or be killed.

Saul did not see samuel with his eyes but depended on what the witch have to tell him and that is how and where satan played his tricks.

While samuel was alive he refuse to see Saul till he died.

God told him that he has rejected Saul and as such he samuel cannot go to Saul or passed any message to Saul from God.

Yahweh was no longer talking or having dealing with Saul the king.

Is it possible that when Samuel died he decided to disobey God and started talking to Saul? No.

Will God have decide to start dealing with Saul after samuel has died and started using samuel at death to do what he had refused him while he was alive? No.

Will Yahweh pass through a spirit medium that he has had chased and killed in Israel to pass a message to a rejected Saul? No.

Will a spirit medium be able to consult Yahweh? No.

Will Yahweh talk to the rejected Saul through a spirit medium? No.

So, from the fore going, is it true that the character that the medium described/brought forth was the dead samuel?
Judge for yourself.

Satan is behind the immortality of the soul doctrine and he and is Demons uses spirit medium to also spread it.

And you are doing the work of satan and his Demons here.

Who do you think you are that we should believe you instead of the bible?

The dead are silent. Psalm 115:17.

That ^ is what the bible said. QED.

Pastor Kun: Not possible any mog that can even consider such an expensive/extravagant acquisition for his personal use as already lost sight of God's glory and is indeed glorifying himself.

How easily people seem to forget the young rich ruler that Jesus told to go "sell his properties(wealth) and give it to the poor" and continually follow him.

Could that rich young ruler not have been able to buy a luxury "jet like" thing then?

Smh.

This men of satan(MOG) have really twisted the brains of some so call christians.

Tpfkakambo: u wsh there is no eternal punishment or everlastg fire.
Old desire...but whichever way u try to shoe horn d scriptures to suite u.. Always gonna b contradcted.
Evry person who's had a genuine afterlife xperience further shatters ur annihilation myth to smitterings.
U wsh d lazarus rchmn story were a parable. U really wsh. U wsh man were only flesh only? But even wen shwn man is tri partite 1thes5 ,u choose ur biases . Wen shown frm scriptures dat Hell gave up d dead in it , (how did they get there?), u dodge the point. U really need , not an education, but to choose whether 2 believe d bible or ur sectarian doctrine. U cud go ahead and strt a diff sect based on ur warped beliefs. U wnt b d frst.

But the "lake of fire" is death, No? (second death).

So, what is your problem?

Will death also be tormented in it also?

"And "death" and hedes were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." (Revelation 20:14).
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The bible says that the dead are unconteouse of nothing, you said no, what do you want?

Abeg, park well!

"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17).

Keep believing the lie that satan told Adam in Eden, that human will not die.

striktlymi: No need to go on with this...you are clearly getting emotional.


Enjoy!

shut up

jerrywool: Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.

During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" to support peace.

Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”

Pope Francis went further in his sermon to say:

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: "we will meet one another there.”"( )

Responding to the leader of the Roman Catholic church's homily, Father James Martin, S.J. wrote in an email to The Huffington Post:

"Pope Francis is saying, more clearly than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That's always been a Christian belief. You can find St. Paul saying in the First Letter to Timothy that Jesus gave himself as a "ransom for all." But rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it's a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories."

Of course, not all Christians believe that those who don't believe will be redeemed, and the Pope's words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works.

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html

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meet where ? >>> heaven,

This discussion is lacking consistency.

However, can someone tell me the meaning of the word: ELI"JAH"(ELIJAH)?

And also, what is wrong with that ^ name?

Please do, am waiting.

Peace.

Alfa Seltzer: Tufiakwa for this pope. No be me you go find for your heaven. I have booked my one way ticket to Hell. Satan forbid that I make heaven with brainless sheeps. Spits!

You seem to be believing in this latin myth(hell) that was introduced into the bible when the bible was translated into latin.

So, satan also lied to you on this also abi?

this latin word and its meaning has nothing to do with the Jews, the people that Yahweh gave his word.

See:

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in "hell", neither his flesh did see corruption." (Acts 2:31).
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thehomer: What I want doesn't matter. The pope has said it.

Congratulations!!!

have a blissful ride!

thehomer: The pope said it,
I believe it,
That settles it.

Lol, you want to go to heaven!

safe journey.

sonlightmind: Please read The acts of Peter and Paul.
There is much historical information missing when one only reads the bible.
Compare and Contrast that book with what is written in chapter 12 of revelation about the war in heaven.
You will see that it was Peter, not Yeshua, who represented Michael.
There is an enormous lack of knowledge about the histories of the early church and apostles in the present day, institutionalized(Harlot) church.

Michael cannot be Yeshua, because Yeshua is the physical form of GOD...

Colossians 1:15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son Exalted Above Angels

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?

And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let ALL the angels of God worship Him.”

7 And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

10 And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
14 Are they(angels) not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

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Hebrews 1
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

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Befor he became "much better" than the angels, what was he?

Start from the beginning of the thread.
And remember to give answers to the rest of the post on this thread dude.